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On December 16 2011 08:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
Although it occurs to me that whatever you find will likely be argued to be useless as he's claimed in-thread that he's "changing his playstyle up" this game, essentially rendering any meta research done pretty null.
But I'm totally interested in what you find mang, this was literally next on my to-do list.
check my filter, I already gave a sample post from a previous game.
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On December 16 2011 08:18 Radfield wrote:
Greymist, assuming risk.nuke was unlynchable today, who would you be voting for.
Even if you don't have specifics, who are your top 3 scummy players right now?
Give me a few minutes, still looking through some of day1 to see what I can find.
The problem is i feel the majority of the actives are town, and that the scum is mixed in with the townie lurkers. This is making it rather hard to find them to be honest.
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Ok here are my top three at the moment
1, nyczbrandon:
Filter link: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=138684
Notice in his posts how nothing constructive happens, almost everything is asking a question. He is very passive follows the majority for most of the day. He is also very careful to not take a stance on anything really, and only backs up other people, or makes side comments.
at the moment I am much less sure on the ones below, have to keep reading.
2.Evantress
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=78429
Does a better job of trying to appear town than nycz, but most of his posts are empty, consider the following 2:
On December 15 2011 13:07 evantrees wrote:true, sorry I will keep from speculating on upcoming offices, though this post probably contains too much speculating anyways. Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 12:42 nyczbrandon wrote:
Does 2 shot-medic mean that player targeted can survive being shot twice, or does it mean he can protect 2 targets pretty sure it means can protect for two nights then runs out. Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 12:27 GiygaS wrote:
I guess this is really the only thing to decide, me or Arc as secretary/surgeon? To figure this out we should try and get an idea of what the fuck secretary will do... I'm guessing it's like Surgeon general but can assign a vig instead. Just my thoughts. I feel like maybe we shouldn't bother let it hopefully be more of a surprise for the mafia. they've surprised us enough as it is, but then having some suggestion as what to do with it wouldn't hurt whoever gets elected to that position would it? leaning towards the first one myself. so assuming radfield is to be believed about being roleblocked. the mafia has attorney used a roleblocker and 3 unknowns possibly one a vanilla goon. I really doubt more than 1 vanilla goon given the election. Given zero vanilla townies have flipped I'm doubting there are too many vanilla people, and don't damn well claim it if you are no point potentially painting bigger targets on other people.
On December 15 2011 13:48 evantrees wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 12:46 Refallen wrote:On December 15 2011 03:22 zeks wrote:
DTs please review the lists for Spaackle lynch and ProfessorBA election vote
The idea that the list of those who had voted for ProfBA to be pardoner has to have some mafia in it is something I've seen more than one person espousing in the thread so I just want to say that I completely disagree with this line of thinking right now. Firstly, as ProfBA has pointed out, he was the natural choice of pardoner after palmar/syllo votes were nulled. And he was even there at that time to immediately step up and say "I am the natural choice," something that I am sure many people agreed with. There is simply no reason for mafia to need to vote ProfBA to get him to office (note that I'm not actually saying that ProfBA is scum/town or anything, but just illustrating the fact that the idea that scum votes must be on ProfBA is false, since even if he was scum, the mafia didn't need to vote for him because of the lack of another viable candidate as well as ProfBA actively going for the pardoner role.) So no, if anything I think the Radfield list is more likely to contain scum. What do you guys think? kind of doubt either list will be particularly helpful. given most of the ProfBA list is dead or GiygaS. ProfessorBadass (7): GreYMisT, xsksc, prplhz, GiygaS, -GiygaS, GiygaS, Eiii, Refallen, Radfield xsksc, prplh, Eiii dead that leaves ProfessorBadass (3): GreYMisT, Refallen, Radfield can't say I would be surprised if one of them was scum but have don't have any arguments for people being scum period yet and the Radfield list is a good bit longer. Radfield (12): risk.nuke, zeks, Jitsu, Spaackle, Comprissent, Eiii, Nisani201, MarserBlood, cascades, DropBear, Cwave, Liquid`Sheth, ProfessorBadass, DEUS-ex-MAFIA, -Eiii Spaackle, lynched Radfield (11): risk.nuke, zeks, Jitsu, Comprissent, Nisani201, MarserBlood, cascades, DropBear, Cwave, Liquid`Sheth, ProfessorBadass, DEUS-ex-MAFIA, and the others. DEUS-ex-MAFIA (1): TotallyNotTwoPeople TotallyNotTwoPeople (1): evantrees prplhz (1): Arctocod Arctocod (2); MrZentor ,nyczbrandon (the annoying one to get)
Both of these really have no need to get posted, the second one in particular is just a list of the people who voted for who, something we all can get accsess to. Also he showed a lack of caring who got into office/the lynch day 1. executing a RNG on both initally, and after being told not to still showed some minor apathy for it. When I am reading Evantress's posts, im seeing a whole lot of nothing, disguised as something.
3. Cascades
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=53202
this post in particular turns me on:
On December 12 2011 16:31 cascades wrote:
I must be missing something. A lot of people like Sheth are saying Radfield is protown, but he only has one post as of now, and I don't see it. His post just states information any non first time players should know. In fact, he straightforwardly suggests Arc without caring about his alignment.
Anyhow, my analysis of his post indicates that it is a post both townie Radfield AND mafia Radfield would make. I would like to warn people not to jump to conclusions like that. They may be strong players, but that indicates nothing about their alignment.
My take on the election issue would be to elect the strong players for day 1. Arc has a more than barebones campaign and also more posts than the rest of the vets who have stepped forward, so the rest need to step it up.
he said that this is a post both town and scum radfield can make...yes those are the 2 aleingments in the game. The goal of this post while reading it from a mafia perspective seem to be to seed distrust against rad, while preparing for the Arc withdrawl later.
On December 14 2011 13:50 cascades wrote:
I would like to clear things up:
While I noted down evantree and nyczbrandon being lurkerish earler in the day, we should definteily be trying for scum instead of lurkers day 1. Nothing about them convinces me that one lurker is more scummier than another. As such, I held off on placing my vote. I had believed/hoped I would be able to wake up in time to make a vote closer to the deadline. Unfortunately, Timezones are not very friendly to me.
Well, it turns out I failed. I didn't have enough enough time to read the thread and make a definite conclusion. Hence, I forgot about the time and made a late vote just after the voting deadline closes. In the future, I will place a vote on someone to avoid a repeat of this situation.
Some people were questioing about my late vote on spaackle. I was on the fence about spaackle. I had seen Radfield and ProfBadass push against him. I know he made a "slip". However, nothing else stood out as scummy enough. Sure, people pointed out holes in his analysis. Still, I felt his posts on the election was good. None of this RNG bullshit. After Arc withdrew/removed from the election, we should be trying to get a vet in. People were muddling the waters and arguing otherwise.It's almost like the previous day posts on why the mayor/pardoner roles are important was completely forgotten. They are useful for the night protection vs mafia. Speculating that mafia removed for whatever reason, that's WIFOM. Maybe mafia wanted suspicion to fall on all the other vets. Maybe mafia was hoping to get one of their own in office. Maybe mafia was just trying to cause chaos. Who knows? The only thing we can tell is mafia did not want Arc to be in office if the assumption mafia did it was correct.
Now spaackle has turned up innocent, and a blue too. If I was to redo my lynch, would I lynch spaackle again? The answer is yes. Though I was uncertain, he was the best option at that time, better than MrZentor. For the information of those who were not there near voting deadline, the two leading votegetters were MrZentor and spaackle. MrZentor had "softclaimed" blue so to speak. That left us spaackle. We had to vote and lynch for information. Certainly, we took an "easy lynch" so to speak, but the risk was worth it if we managed to catch a scum. Though we failed, it is expected as day 1 mafia lynches are rare apparently.
This post srikes me as fishy as well, He says if he could repeat last night he would lynch spaakles again. wtf? the only purpose this serves to say is to try to defend your actions by appealing to the sense that you are a towine out crusading against what is wrong and illogical in the world. I see no town motive for this post as well.
Those are my scum reads atm radfield, and i would like to see more posts out of them as they have been rather absenst this cycle.
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On December 16 2011 08:54 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 08:19 GreYMisT wrote:On December 16 2011 08:18 Radfield wrote:
Greymist, assuming risk.nuke was unlynchable today, who would you be voting for.
Even if you don't have specifics, who are your top 3 scummy players right now? Give me a few minutes, still looking through some of day1 to see what I can find. The problem is i feel the majority of the actives are town, and that the scum is mixed in with the townie lurkers. This is making it rather hard to find them to be honest. Sounds good. I have all night  Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 08:25 Jitsu wrote:
I think the same question could go back at you Radfield, and I actually want to see Arcto's response to this as well. Who do you both feel would be good Top 3 Lynches, and why?
I'm not going to give you my top 3, or even my top 1 just yet. But I will say this, I think Cwave looks like scum on first glance. I probably won't go balls to the wall on lynching him just yet, but I am interested in what others think of his posting so far.
In case you missed it, my top 3 are on the previous page.
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On December 16 2011 09:16 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:@greymist What about nyczbrandon makes him seem like scum to you rather than newbie-town? Do you think scum would be letting one of their members say things like: Show nested quote +:/ I like to lurk. I also just came back recently and I saw a post with my name in it so I decide to respond to it. If you believe he is scum, I presume you also believe he was told to play the newbie card rather hard?
I dont think that the scumteam always has that kind of control in games, he might have been told to play the newbie card, but that is something i have seen both town and scum do, though scum more. His posting, as i said earlier, has not served to benifit the town in any way. when i see newbie towns, they usally react to things that dont make sense and at least try to be helpful, he does not seem this way atm.
I apoloigize for answering slowly, a ton of stuff is coming up that i have to help deal with, I will try to answer as best i can though.
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On December 16 2011 09:16 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 08:44 GreYMisT wrote:
this post in particular turns me on:
hahaha ... ... ... ...anyhoo... what do you think of zeks Greymist?
At the moment im pretty null on him, Although he was pushing hard for MrZentor (who we now know is most likely town), a lot of us were also so that doesnt really say much. I will reread his filter with what we know now after a cycle.
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On December 16 2011 10:30 evantrees wrote:TotallyNotTwoPeople + Show Spoiler +On December 15 2011 17:15 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:Ok, so I am caught up on the thread, but haven't started filtering people yet, with one exception. I am obviously fine with Arctocod/Giygas being elected today. Arcto, which position would you prefer? I will be voting for you unless some switches to Giygas are needed if you'd prefer to be Secretary of Defense. If anyone has anything to ask of me, feel free, I will be going to bed shortly, but will answer them tomorrow. (I'll be more active tomorrow than I have been, I promise!) On risk.nuke, in my experience playing with him he has been rather aggressive, but he is definitely being harsher in his attacks than normal, and more personal as well. I had a town leaning on him earlier (up until around the time he started running for pardoner), but have moved back to a null read on him with his more recent attacks, as he seems to be using less logic and more ad hominem attacks. The saving grace for him in my eyes is his dislike of Greymist's play. I agree with him on this. I have played one other game with Greymist, and he was scum in that game. He seems to be playing quite similar to how he did in that game. In both games he asks a ton of questions to various people, only to land on whatever seems like a fairly easy lynch to pull off with minimal real analysis. He also tends to enjoy answering simple questions such as hours remaining in the day, votes required for lynch, etc. While certainly nice to do, it also gives you a way to seem like you are helping when you are in fact only providing information already available to everyone. His filter from this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=120900¤tpage=Alland from Steamship: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=120900¤tpage=AllI'd be interested to hear input on this from anyone else with prior experience playing with him. Does he tend to do this as town as well? If he does, then obviously this case on him is significantly weakened, but regardless I have yet to see much out of him so far that makes me think he is likely to be town. @Evantrees: Why in the hell did you vote for me for pardoner yesterday? I wasn't running, and hadn't been active in the game. You said you RNG'ed the 3 remaining hydra players, but I am confused as to why you did that. One hydra has openly admitted to not having seen or heard anything from the second player in the hydra, and the hydra I am a part of includes my friend who is playing his first game of mafia ever. How does this make either of those 2 'hydras' a better choice than any other player? For those curious/for the sake of clarity: I will be doing most of the posting/decision making for this day, as my friend will be traveling for a portion of it. /Harbinger Show nested quote +@Evantrees: Why in the hell did you vote for me for pardoner yesterday? I wasn't running, and hadn't been active in the game. You said you RNG'ed the 3 remaining hydra players, but I am confused as to why you did that. One hydra has openly admitted to not having seen or heard anything from the second player in the hydra, and the hydra I am a part of includes my friend who is playing his first game of mafia ever. How does this make either of those 2 'hydras' a better choice than any other player?
Too much discussion on why we wanted to protect the hydras day 1 went along with it I suppose. Sort of had to change my vote off Arctocod so wanted to put it somewhere, bit skeptical for ProfBA for some reason. Never got around to changing it with the freaking out over the lynch Also have definitely done some of what you accused greymist of, and oh he pointed it out for me nice. GreYMisT Show nested quote +When I am reading Evantress's posts, im seeing a whole lot of nothing, disguised as something. trying and failing to be helpful it seems. Evantress while it kind of makes more sense is not my name. Really not sure how to try and defend myself from such accusation. I have been mostly replying to stuff and pointing out things. Hopefully letting the able scum hunters can focus more on that instead. Am I just wasting time? More of what people have complained about but don't like seeing random incorrect facts. Though in this case hopefully unimportant given our Attorney is dead and theirs used his ability. Jitsu Show nested quote +and the fact that the 'Election Block' ability of whatever we assume is the mafia equiv. to District Attorney had to have happened within two hours of the day ending.
Kita posted a correction the District Attorney had to act before the two hour mark, and arc was withdrawn about 2 hours 15 min before the Lynch/Election. + Show Spoiler +On December 15 2011 11:53 kitaman27 wrote:It appears there was a typo in the role mechanic. "Must" should have been replaced with "cannot". My apologies. Show nested quote +Welcome to Election Mafia! You are the district attorney! Once per game, you may nullify all election votes for target player. Your action must be submitted within 2 hours of the end of the day cycle. You win with town. Show nested quote +Welcome to Election Mafia! You are the district attorney! Once per game, you may nullify all election votes for target player. Your action cannot be submitted within 2 hours of the end of the day cycle. You win with town. 7 minutes remain to submit any night actions.
The best defense is helping scumhunt, you are right in that we dont want to hear random comments unless they help us find scum.
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On December 16 2011 10:37 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 10:20 GiygaS wrote:
Has anyone realized that Graymist is targetted by people under suspicion right now, and all of them aren't with evidence?
TNTP went to Graymist with no evidence, and Risk has been tunneling him the entire game (or at least day 1). Can you quote that suspicion on me from before I was making a case on greymist? Also, are you saying that him being the only person to vote for all 3 of the bandwagon lynches, as well as constantly fishing around for anyone that other people will agree on doesn't seem somewhat scummy? Look at his lynch choices so far, mostly a bunch of largely useless lurkers that nobody would blame him for if they are mislynches.
A lot of us were voting for MrZentor, he claimed blue, at that point in the game not a lot of us had a good idea of who to lynch, so I went with nisani. Partly because he doesnt normally lurk in the games i have played with him as town, but also because of the reasons i listed. Near the end of the day radfield/Profbadass found that contradiction of spaakle's which again convinced many of us to switch. So far your only case on me is that I am playing in a similar way as steamship. check steamship again. When i was scum there i obviously knew who was on my team and who wasnt, and i reflected that by never straying off my targets except for a few select times. this game I am unsure of who is scum, and am allowed to change my mind and vote.
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On December 16 2011 10:20 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
hmm interesting. I have one more question:
Do you think the nightshots of the scumteam were optimal, if not, who would you have been shot?
why ask this question? I don't see how any answer from this will serve any purpose. A better question is who are you going to lynch today?
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On December 16 2011 10:53 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
why not. Who would you have been shot? And who do you want to lynch?
Because for the question to have any meaning you would have to assume that the answerer is the only member of the current scumteam, as he has no info on who is availible to be shot. This is not the settup we are playing and therefore renders the question meaningless.
I posted my top three a bit back. I am still suspicious of Risk.Nuke, though I my suspicions have lowered since last night. I will have to read and see more of his opinions. Now after looking through the thread I support a nyzc lynch as well.
How about yourself? who do you want to lynch?
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Alright read through Risk's filter again, I have decided to take my vote off of him as my read on him has been reduced to near null.
In addition to what has been said that he "is attracting too much attention to play scum effectivly" i have found a few other things he has done that scum would not do.
On December 15 2011 11:47 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 11:43 evantrees wrote:may have been a similar ability, scum with a variant that needs to be used more than 2 hours beforehand, but could not have been exactly Eiii's apparently since the action on arc was submitted before the 2 hour mark. On December 15 2011 09:21 prplhz wrote:
Was Eiii's District Attorney ability the same as the ability that was used on Arctocod last night? "Welcome to Election Mafia! You are the district attorney! Once per game, you may nullify all election votes for target player. Your action must be submitted within 2 hours of the end of the day cycle. You win with town." + Show Spoiler +[B]On December 14 2011 09:43 kitaman27 wrote:/B] Breaking News!
Front runner candidate Arctocod has announced their withdrawal from the Day One Election! Tune in at 10 for further election coverage and to witness the daily execution LIVE!Arctocod is no longer eligible to be elected day one. All votes against them have been nullified (zbot will not reflect the nullified votes). A little over 2 hours remain in the day. Players who do not vote for an eligible candidate will not be modkilled this cycle.and since I considered it /typed it up earlier may as well post it, didn't want to post it alone for whatever reason. probably a bad Idea. Concerning scum going for pardoner to keep their kp at 3 as long as possible. Conclusion, it was dumb given how much is probably up in the air concerning roles and upcoming elections due to the closed setup. + Show Spoiler +
not certain by any means on ProfessorBadass one way or another, nor do we know exactly what roles are in this game but can kind of see scum going for pardoner to help keep their kp at 3 for as long as possible would it be worth sacrificing a member I'm not sure.
They would have tonight, maybe lynched townie nights in between, pardoned night and then down to 2 kp when the pardoner gets lynched.
worst case 3/3/2/2 down two scum, 3 vs 14 + medic saves. probably not worth it also
3/3/3/2/2 down two scum 3 vs 11 + medic saves.if another townie lynch.
+days for the other 3 to slip up.
3/3/3/3/2/2 3 vs 8 + medic saves. if we bloody lynch two more townies, even then seems too risky for them to try. given how much is probably up in the air concerning roles and upcoming elections due to the closed setup.
this is a closed setup, nobody said anything about 3 kp.
He posts this and then is told right after that the info is in the OP. if he was scum I would find it highly unlikely that that he would not know the way that kp was calculated is publicly availible.
In addition, the way he continuously kept saying that I am scum actually leads me to think he is town, now that i think about it. What would be the purpose of this as scum? to try to start an easy bandwagon against me. however it was obviously not working, as both I and others kept questioning his reasoning. To me a scum player would have stopped after he realized it wasnt working. Risk instead kept pursuing me, and continuously made his opinion known.
I still dont agee with the way he has gone about scumhunting this game, but after rereading i am not as sure as i was on him being scum.
Instead, I would encourage you to read nyczbrandon's filter. Notice the ways in which he says something while really saying nothing, how he hasnt contributed until he was called out for it, and even then didnt really say much or give a stance on anything. He just gave us 4 targets we were already all aware of, and brought nothing new to the table. My vote goes on nyczbrandon for now.
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On December 16 2011 11:31 nyczbrandon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 11:26 GreYMisT wrote:Alright read through Risk's filter again, I have decided to take my vote off of him as my read on him has been reduced to near null. In addition to what has been said that he "is attracting too much attention to play scum effectivly" i have found a few other things he has done that scum would not do. On December 15 2011 11:47 risk.nuke wrote:On December 15 2011 11:43 evantrees wrote:may have been a similar ability, scum with a variant that needs to be used more than 2 hours beforehand, but could not have been exactly Eiii's apparently since the action on arc was submitted before the 2 hour mark. On December 15 2011 09:21 prplhz wrote:
Was Eiii's District Attorney ability the same as the ability that was used on Arctocod last night? "Welcome to Election Mafia! You are the district attorney! Once per game, you may nullify all election votes for target player. Your action must be submitted within 2 hours of the end of the day cycle. You win with town." + Show Spoiler +[B]On December 14 2011 09:43 kitaman27 wrote:/B] Breaking News!
Front runner candidate Arctocod has announced their withdrawal from the Day One Election! Tune in at 10 for further election coverage and to witness the daily execution LIVE!Arctocod is no longer eligible to be elected day one. All votes against them have been nullified (zbot will not reflect the nullified votes). A little over 2 hours remain in the day. Players who do not vote for an eligible candidate will not be modkilled this cycle.and since I considered it /typed it up earlier may as well post it, didn't want to post it alone for whatever reason. probably a bad Idea. Concerning scum going for pardoner to keep their kp at 3 as long as possible. Conclusion, it was dumb given how much is probably up in the air concerning roles and upcoming elections due to the closed setup. + Show Spoiler +
not certain by any means on ProfessorBadass one way or another, nor do we know exactly what roles are in this game but can kind of see scum going for pardoner to help keep their kp at 3 for as long as possible would it be worth sacrificing a member I'm not sure.
They would have tonight, maybe lynched townie nights in between, pardoned night and then down to 2 kp when the pardoner gets lynched.
worst case 3/3/2/2 down two scum, 3 vs 14 + medic saves. probably not worth it also
3/3/3/2/2 down two scum 3 vs 11 + medic saves.if another townie lynch.
+days for the other 3 to slip up.
3/3/3/3/2/2 3 vs 8 + medic saves. if we bloody lynch two more townies, even then seems too risky for them to try. given how much is probably up in the air concerning roles and upcoming elections due to the closed setup.
this is a closed setup, nobody said anything about 3 kp. He posts this and then is told right after that the info is in the OP. if he was scum I would find it highly unlikely that that he would not know the way that kp was calculated is publicly availible. In addition, the way he continuously kept saying that I am scum actually leads me to think he is town, now that i think about it. What would be the purpose of this as scum? to try to start an easy bandwagon against me. however it was obviously not working, as both I and others kept questioning his reasoning. To me a scum player would have stopped after he realized it wasnt working. Risk instead kept pursuing me, and continuously made his opinion known. I still dont agee with the way he has gone about scumhunting this game, but after rereading i am not as sure as i was on him being scum. Instead, I would encourage you to read nyczbrandon's filter. Notice the ways in which he says something while really saying nothing, how he hasnt contributed until he was called out for it, and even then didnt really say much or give a stance on anything. He just gave us 4 targets we were already all aware of, and brought nothing new to the table. My vote goes on nyczbrandon for now. you mean the 4 targets that Radfield told me to look at?
yea those
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On December 16 2011 11:35 nyczbrandon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 11:32 GreYMisT wrote:On December 16 2011 11:31 nyczbrandon wrote:On December 16 2011 11:26 GreYMisT wrote:Alright read through Risk's filter again, I have decided to take my vote off of him as my read on him has been reduced to near null. In addition to what has been said that he "is attracting too much attention to play scum effectivly" i have found a few other things he has done that scum would not do. On December 15 2011 11:47 risk.nuke wrote:On December 15 2011 11:43 evantrees wrote:may have been a similar ability, scum with a variant that needs to be used more than 2 hours beforehand, but could not have been exactly Eiii's apparently since the action on arc was submitted before the 2 hour mark. On December 15 2011 09:21 prplhz wrote:
Was Eiii's District Attorney ability the same as the ability that was used on Arctocod last night? "Welcome to Election Mafia! You are the district attorney! Once per game, you may nullify all election votes for target player. Your action must be submitted within 2 hours of the end of the day cycle. You win with town." + Show Spoiler +[B]On December 14 2011 09:43 kitaman27 wrote:/B] Breaking News!
Front runner candidate Arctocod has announced their withdrawal from the Day One Election! Tune in at 10 for further election coverage and to witness the daily execution LIVE!Arctocod is no longer eligible to be elected day one. All votes against them have been nullified (zbot will not reflect the nullified votes). A little over 2 hours remain in the day. Players who do not vote for an eligible candidate will not be modkilled this cycle.and since I considered it /typed it up earlier may as well post it, didn't want to post it alone for whatever reason. probably a bad Idea. Concerning scum going for pardoner to keep their kp at 3 as long as possible. Conclusion, it was dumb given how much is probably up in the air concerning roles and upcoming elections due to the closed setup. + Show Spoiler +
not certain by any means on ProfessorBadass one way or another, nor do we know exactly what roles are in this game but can kind of see scum going for pardoner to help keep their kp at 3 for as long as possible would it be worth sacrificing a member I'm not sure.
They would have tonight, maybe lynched townie nights in between, pardoned night and then down to 2 kp when the pardoner gets lynched.
worst case 3/3/2/2 down two scum, 3 vs 14 + medic saves. probably not worth it also
3/3/3/2/2 down two scum 3 vs 11 + medic saves.if another townie lynch.
+days for the other 3 to slip up.
3/3/3/3/2/2 3 vs 8 + medic saves. if we bloody lynch two more townies, even then seems too risky for them to try. given how much is probably up in the air concerning roles and upcoming elections due to the closed setup.
this is a closed setup, nobody said anything about 3 kp. He posts this and then is told right after that the info is in the OP. if he was scum I would find it highly unlikely that that he would not know the way that kp was calculated is publicly availible. In addition, the way he continuously kept saying that I am scum actually leads me to think he is town, now that i think about it. What would be the purpose of this as scum? to try to start an easy bandwagon against me. however it was obviously not working, as both I and others kept questioning his reasoning. To me a scum player would have stopped after he realized it wasnt working. Risk instead kept pursuing me, and continuously made his opinion known. I still dont agee with the way he has gone about scumhunting this game, but after rereading i am not as sure as i was on him being scum. Instead, I would encourage you to read nyczbrandon's filter. Notice the ways in which he says something while really saying nothing, how he hasnt contributed until he was called out for it, and even then didnt really say much or give a stance on anything. He just gave us 4 targets we were already all aware of, and brought nothing new to the table. My vote goes on nyczbrandon for now. you mean the 4 targets that Radfield told me to look at? yea those I don't get what you want. I'm just listening to what Radfield is telling me to do and try to be less lurkerish. Now it seems like its better if I just remained a lurker.
This is it right here. From this post it is apparent that you know lurking is the wrong thing to do and that it hurts town. you also indicate that you have a choice in doing so or not. why is it then, that a town player would choose to lurk over being active and helping the town?
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Using his pardon today would not prove his innocence, as delaying us a day cycle and essentially forcing a no lynch ultimately benefits the mafia. Arcto I understand your suspicions of curu, but do you really feel confident in lynching him based on the little you provided? Why him and not some of the other candidates we have presented?
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On December 17 2011 03:05 Arctocod wrote:
The analysis won't be wasted just because we lynch Curu today. I think you make some good points, but the problem with the players I gave you to analyze is that we don't know them at all, while we know Curu quite well and know what we can expect from him. By the way I fully admit the lack of real answer above is due to me being exceedingly lazy and unwilling to put any effort into a more detailed re-assessment of those players. Right now we consider Curu a very very likely scum and once Palmar is around we will present a real case. Probably.
How can you expect us to agree to lynch curu when you openly admit to being lazy and not putting effort info other cases, and then saying you will only "Probally" give your reasoning. Just because you are very likely town does not excuse you.
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On December 17 2011 03:25 risk.nuke wrote:I was going to do the analysises requested of me last night now but more interesting stuff is going on so they will have to wait. The more interesting stuff:I've had a bad feeling about the professor ever since Arctocod got withdrawn and he was elected. If we keep assuming it was a scum abillity they probably have a limited number of uses, I guess 1 max 2. They wouldn't had wasted this abillity which means they have an agenda. The professor was the one who got elected instead, there wasn't any question about that he would be elected. The only logical reasoning is the mafia knew this. Which leaves us here. Either the mafia elected the professor because the professor is scum. Or they elected the professor to make us come to the conclusion that he is scum. These are the only two logical reasoning. Personally I think the first one is the likeliest but that isn't the only reason. If the professor is scum he can hurt town. He knows he is heavily suspiscious and if we don't lynch him today we will likely lynch him soon unless he starts busing. If we choose to lynch someone else and by luck hits a mafia. The professor can pardon him giving them an extra night. I approve with lynching The Professor today. Still want greymist dead.
Oh you
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On December 17 2011 03:54 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
Risk and Grey my dear friends. You vote Prof. Badass right now please.
Furthermore I want your opinion on Zeks and totallynottwopeople.
I'd like to hear your opinions on zeks and TntP as well while we are at it.
I already mentioned what i thought of zeks earlier, but came to the conclusion that he was pretty null in my eyes for the time being. at the moment TntP is not the scummiest candidate out there, but there are a few iffy things he has done, such as publicly announcing that he is letting his friend decide all the votes, which would absolve them of responsibility (thats just another way of playing the newbie card to get out of things). Regardless, the way he is pressuring me seems quite genuine, and the result is that I think there are more important targets out there for us to chase. To humor you though I will read all there stuff in depth when i get the time.
I am holding off on voting prof. badass until arctocod can give their reasoning. Weren't you the one a few pages back who said we need to not follow you guys blindly?
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And wow curu really? not going to even try to defend yourself when you have only just started to garner suspicion?
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Did you just silently vote yourself?
You dishonor the name of professor badass!
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On December 17 2011 04:57 GiygaS wrote:I'm going to analyse the dead player's filters. prplhz's Filter+ Show Spoiler +What did he do that would make a mafia lynch him? He's a vet, this could be enough reason on his own, but let's look at what he did(Key points in bold): - Casts suspicion on Zeks, was near the top of the list to do so - Successfully stopped MrZentor lynch - Mentions that the withdrawal thing might have just been to get Arc out of the position. - Voted for Refallen (later retracted quickly) - Against Spaackle lynch (More for Nisani)---------------------------------------------------------------------- Lynch on Spaackle - Initiated the suspicion on Eiii(now dead sorry again guys  ) - Mentions that Nisani should have been the bandwagon people went on: implied(imo) that mafia probably moved the vote to Spaackle (Radfield? :/) - Put some questions on Risk.Nuke (note: this was around the time that almost everyone and his mom was doing this) So what conclusion can we draw from Prplhz's filter? He was suspicious of Nisani, and Zeks, mainly. While I earlier did say that it could be just vet killing, I believe it was either A) To save either the ass of Nisani or Zeks and B) To stop him from continuing his suspicions on who started the Spaackle bandwagon. C) Vet Killing
First of all, I belive more analysis can be drawn from this kill, because he was already under suspicions, and he isn't a big veteran presence like prplhz. So let's look at his filter shall we?
- Lots of fluff before he mentions MarserBlood
- Against the MrZentor Bandwagon
- Mentions MarserBlood again
- Started questioning Risk (before the big investigation on him happened)
- Voted Spaackles with 10 minutes left (later elaborated on said that he didn't agree with Nisani lynch)
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- Again on MarserBlood
- Again on Risk (this is when investigation was on though)
I'm getting very suspicious of MarserBlood now o.O I'll look through his filter now and tell you what I come up with.
You can't really analyize the reasons behind night kills too much, it creates too much WIFOM.
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