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On December 16 2011 09:09 nyczbrandon wrote:
cascades seems more scummy to me.
Comprissent didn't post anything that would incriminate him. I saw that people were suspicous of him because of late voting. But, that is probably from the last minute bandwagoning as most of the people here have done. Though he has not posted his lynch targets yet.
cascades seemed to be also questioning Arctocod's town. It is apparent to many that Arctocod was forced out of running, and think that it may be on mafia side. He also posted that he hopes that mafia would kill all the vets. He said it was a joke or something but i dont know. Seems he may bare a grudge against hydras/vets
cool, and the other questions?
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On December 16 2011 08:44 GreYMisT wrote:
this post in particular turns me on:
hahaha
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...anyhoo... what do you think of zeks Greymist?
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On December 16 2011 09:16 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:@greymist What about nyczbrandon makes him seem like scum to you rather than newbie-town? Do you think scum would be letting one of their members say things like: Show nested quote +:/ I like to lurk. I also just came back recently and I saw a post with my name in it so I decide to respond to it. If you believe he is scum, I presume you also believe he was told to play the newbie card rather hard?
Most scum teams don't take an active role in the posting of their members. In fact many scum teams don't really post much at all in their QT outside of KP and role discussion.
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On December 16 2011 09:24 Jitsu wrote:
Arctocod, in my eyes, is leaning extremely town. I feel you are in this same section, Radfield.
ProfBA because we voted him in as pardoner, and I feel that if he was mafia, you and Arcto would be able to catch him near the end, and we voted him into Pardoner for a reason. Since he is unable to pardon himself, if you 5 were remaining, I think it would end in the towns favor.
I'm not quite in the same section as Arctocod just yet, or at least I shouldn't be. I need a couple notches on my belt first.
Me and Arcto will not be around to catch ProfBA in the end. We will be almost certainly dead, unless mafia does not get wise real quick. That means if he is mafia we need to catch him within the next two cycles, or else the townies in the endgame will have to do it on their own.
If there are question marks around ProfBA then you want to leave him hanging where mafia can get to him, and make sure not to give him an excuse to still be alive Day 4 or Day 5.
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Hey gang, I've been busy all day and am at work right now so I'm not remotely caught up on the thread. I'll try to catch up at work if it's slow though. Otherwise I'll be on tonight and tomorrow morn.
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OK, so we're obviously lynching curu. Silencer is a fairly scum-favoured tool, and using it on oneself is not particularly town. Not to mention, did anyone else read that convo between Erandorr and Curu and think it was a convo between two townies? I did not.
In other news, I am here to save the day! I have the power to enact a double lynch, and as such will be using it today. Curu is obviously locked in, so lets kickstart on who else we want to lynch 
Bum, your posting is ridiculously terrible this game. I would guess half your posts so far I actually have no idea what your talking about. Have you filtered anyone? Have you read any post more than once? You just feel like your putting in about 10 minutes a day of effort. I realize you're homeless and everything, but don't the public libraries have computers you can use?
On December 17 2011 08:00 Arctocod wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 07:52 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:hey syllo, I got one question... Why didn't curu silence you at the beginning of the day... As scum i'd have done exactly that... It's probably a one or twoshot ability but palmar already posted at night that he wants to lynch him... + Show Spoiler +On December 14 2011 18:28 Arctocod wrote:
Not to mention it's fucking retarded from a setup point of view to have a real-time ability that can just be used after we're both gone to bed. We weren't even around to tell people who should be voted into office instead of us.
We're lynching ProfessorBadass tomorrow. do you think he knew he wouldn't survive day3 for sure if he silences you day1 ? I don't know, maybe it only lasts for X hours rather than the whole day? It's fairly pointless to speculate about his role because the way he used it and acted in the thread make him a pretty much confirmed scum. Also, we definitely shouldn't consider MrZentor confirmed town or anything based on his ability Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 10:10 MrZentor wrote:I'm pretty sure it's an ability that must be used before two hours before the election.A little over 2 hours remain in the day. There is no reason for Palmar to do this, and if he had, he would explain it. Risk.nuke acts like Palmar was the one who resigned, something a mafia would do if it were a mafia role like the one I described. Ehh wtf move palmar? And he tries to get the role of pardoner. Since graymist is voting for him I sure as hell don't want him to be pardoner.
Yeah, risk.nuke is mafia.
Vote me for pardoner if you belive I'm town. Then atleast you'll know the role is not in scum hands. It's a rather astute conclusion based on the information available at the time, especially coming from a new player. Eiii's flip pretty much confirmed that it really is the case for the scum version of the role. He also pushes risk nuke, who I believe mafia has considered to be the easy mislynch. While his role can be used in a pro town fashion as he did when I requested him to, it's also quite nice for scum. I'll have to look into what people were saying about Zentor on day 1 though to see if him being scum makes sense http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12735074
This is actually remarkably damning. I haven't checked the time-stamps yet, but what possible reason would a townie have for speculating that it was an ability that needed to be used at least 2 hours before the day. I NEVER would have gotten close to assuming that. It was obvious it was scum driven, but 2 hours? That's incredibly specific and accurate.
MrZentor, when you are around please let me know. I have a few questions for you.
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We only have 13 of 21 people voting for election right now. I want everyone to put their vote in next time they are online.
Keep in mind we want GiygaS in #1(Surgeon General), and Arctocod in #2(Defense). Please place your votes accordingly.
I was planning on doing some reading tonight, but I'm fried, so I will be on in the morning.
When the surgeon general makes someone a medic, do they find out right away? Or do they have to wait until the following night to start making saves.
For instance: Giygas becomes SG on Day 2 and makes me a 2-shot medic. Can I start saving players on night 2, or do I have to wait until night 3 to use my power.
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On December 17 2011 15:44 evantrees wrote:
still bugging me hopefully get an answer this time.
Twice per game you may pardon a player, nullifying all votes against the player during the lynch,
does the person with the most votes after the pardon is used(the runner up) get lynched or is the lynch called off.
If a pardoner uses his pardoner, the lynch is called off. The second place voter is not lynched.
On December 17 2011 16:17 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
Don't use the doublelynch today!!!
If curu is scum he has nothing to lose and he may just pardon the other lynchcandidate if he's scum.
I'm not sure how the timeline would work there. Typically the pardon takes place a few minutes after the lynch. So if the pardoner is already dead he can't really pardon.
Can the Pardoner use his ability on the same day he is lynched?
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Glad to see I'm not seen as auto-scum given my activity levels this game. I'm working right now, and am working again tomorrow. Thank goodness for the bonus 24 hours.
Gigyas has two options tonight for a medic. A) someone who is very much town, or B) someone unlikely to die tonight. Both options have their risks, and right now I would lean towards option A, as that guarantees us at least one potential save. The medic landing in scum hands would leave players wide open to KP.
In the interest of full-disclosure I DO NOT have the ability to double-lynch. I simply said that to get discussion rolling again as I was worried we would just cruise control the rest of the day on ProfBA. I was also roleblocked again, so scum knew very well that I was bullshitting, since even if I had the ability to double lynch I would not be able to. I want to go over the reactions again, but I think dues-ex was fairly genuine.
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Did I miss something, or was that completely out of the blue  ? In other news, rejoice that we must have a dt, and mafia have been roleblocking me for 2 days in a row.
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Damn, I was writing up a post with the pertinent quote of ProfBad, but somehow lost it. It wasn't particularly useful anyways, so I'll just write the coles notes version instead:
* risk.nuke is likely town, simply due to the energy that ProfBad put into discrediting him, and trying to get him lynched.
* ProfBad made 2 real cases, both in the same post, on risk.nuke and cwave. However the case on Cwave is pretty weak, and he never mentions him again to my knowledge.
* Prof is willing to bus his teammates, as he consistently calls out Dropbear(Bum-GF) early game. However calling out the godfather is pretty common scum-play, as you want to encourage enough suspicion to draw DT checks.
*Calls out nyczbrandon's posts a couple times, but writes them off as bad townie.
* Fights against Dues-ex for mayor position, argues over a few other things as well. Added with a few other things, Dues is likely town.
* Zeks also looks better based on his interactions with ProfBad. Basically calling out the pardoner push as scum driven, and ProfBad calling him a dumbass
Bum basically said very little, but posted his suspicions against both evantrees and refallen. However he quickly retracted his suspicion against Refallen, but it was done in such a way that Refallen may be town. Not sure yet.
So, the vote list for ProfessorBadass as Pardoner. Seems highly unlikely to me that there would be zero scum on this wagon. I would in fact think scum would get on early to try and jolt it into action.
GreYMisT,
xsksc,
prplhz,
GiygaS,
Eiii,
Refallen,
Radfield
Assuming you believe me to be town(and apparantly green?!) where does that leave us?
+ Show Spoiler +I'll tell you where it leaves me, the same place I have been for a while. Greymist is scum
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Because I'm a nice guy I'll spoiler this.
+ Show Spoiler +On ProfBad as PardonerOn December 12 2011 17:05 GreYMisT wrote:
I agree with you that arctocod will most likely be my vote for mayor. Im leaning on electing prof. badass over rad atm, but ultimatly i am ok with either being elected into the pardoner position. the point i mentioned about radfield was just something that stood out to me initially, and sets me off on voting him for mayor. anyway, bedtime, final in a few hours. yay. On December 14 2011 09:47 GreYMisT wrote:
K, without arctocod in the runnings who is currently in second place behind radfield? On December 14 2011 09:52 GreYMisT wrote:
prp other than lurking, is there anything else they have done to warrent your suspicion?
I will be voting professor badass for pardone. He is the other (aside from radfield) who is most likely to be shot tonight, as i know curu + errandor can be troubling for scum later on in the game. In particular it is the second quote that bothers me. Why would you EVER post this? Just go click on the election thread, and find out for yourself... Obviously no one answers this question, because the reality is that there IS no alternate candidate, which everyone knows. It reeks of posting just for the sake of posting. He also mentions that curu + errandor can be troubling for scum late-game. This made me raise my eyebrows at the time, because when has errandor EVER been troubling for scum late-game? Curu maybe, but not errandor. Not sure why a townie would stretch the truth on errandor's abilities.
On the Spaackle Lynch: ( just read the f-ing quotes, there's like 6 lines) On December 14 2011 11:29 GreYMisT wrote:
Radfield, why must you always push for last minute vote switches?
Looking into spaakle now. On December 14 2011 11:32 GreYMisT wrote:
Looking through Spaakle's filter I can't find much, why is everyone clamoring for him again? On December 14 2011 11:49 GreYMisT wrote:
The spaackle quote is quite interesting, is there anything else about him that you are suspicious of?
On December 14 2011 11:52 GreYMisT wrote:
I still have more of a scum read than a town read on nisani atm, but after looking over spaakle's some more im going to put my vote there. the quote by profBA is pretty condemning, as well as the way he has been trying to get zentor to claim for the last couple of pages. Starts off with a quick little discredit of me. Moves onto finding nothing scummy in Spaackles filter. However in the final assessment Greymist gives 2 reasons for Spaackles being scummy, the quote that curu brings up, but also the fact that he has been trying to get Zentor to claim. Something which presumably he did not find scummy the first time he looked through the filter. This could easily be done by a townie or scum, but I think in this case it is Greymist trying to cover his bases on a lynch he knows will flip town.
On risk.nukeOn December 14 2011 11:36 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 11:35 risk.nuke wrote:
As for lynching I just know greymist is scum. I've read his filter so many times I'll be able to start reciting them soon. Nobody can be said to be scum for sure but I feel ten times more strongly about grey then anyone else. and yet still, no actual analysis. I've been thinking this entire game you are simply misguided, don't make me start agreeing with ProfBA. On December 14 2011 12:01 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 12:00 risk.nuke wrote:On December 14 2011 11:56 xsksc wrote:On December 14 2011 11:54 GreYMisT wrote:On December 14 2011 11:51 risk.nuke wrote:
How about we go with greymist based on the fact that even thoguh his name have come up multiple times not a single one supports the idea to the slightest. If we assume mafia won't influence to get one of their scumbuddies lynched that makes him an as good as and better candidate then anyone else. And if I'm wrong all my towncred is gone and you can try to lynch me tomorrow. my name has only come up multiple times only by you, and even though i have asked for your actual reasoning like 4 times, you always ignore it. If you wanted us to lynch Grey, Risk, why not make a strong case on him? You're so sure of him being scum, but I haven't seen anything scummy about his play thus far. I know you're capable of making a good case, I've seen you do it before, why not now? It's much harder then it looks to make a strong case day 1. The example that was brought up before. I suspected Toad and Ciryandor to be scum. My gut told me Ciryandor (who was scum) but I could build a good case on Toad who then turned up to be town. Altough in my defense he kept playing scummy and half the observer QT was convinced he was scum. If its hard to make a strong case day one, then how is it possible that i am confirmed scum in your eyes? the flawed logic...it burns me... On December 15 2011 04:19 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 03:58 Radfield wrote:On December 15 2011 03:30 risk.nuke wrote:
You're the guys with double moral. You want to elect a good player despite alignment to keep them alive, the next thing you want to shoot dropbear because he hasn't done anything yet. That's a load of... ... ... and as far as I am concerned by beeing quiet dropbear atleast haven't caused town a ton of harm like radfield. You didn't even comment on what you thought of me running to keep it out of scumhands. wtf was that. I mean you should atleast have said what you thought of it, good idea, bad idea, something but the fact that you just ignored it and told everyone to vote the professors makes me so damn uneasy on you and it's by far the scummiest thing I think you did last night.
And greymist as far as I am aware is just decent at mafia, plain average. And if I were a vig I'd vig the one I have get mountainhigh scumchills on without hesitation. I guess the disconnect here is that I haven't ever been in a game with dropbear where he has played well. OK yes, but not well. I would put him almost in the exact same boat as greymist, though it's possible dropbear has played well in games I have not seen. As far as my actions last night, I wanted to get the election talk out of the way and move onto the lynch. Ideal scenario for mafia is Arctocod withdraws, and we spend the rest of the time bickering about who gets elected. Curu can play a strong game of mafia, and is a likely hit if he is town. If not him I would have chosen prplhz. I think you are far less likely to die tonight then you think you are. What specifically points you towards scum on greymist. I see him as pretty likely town right now. I would like to know this as well, I've been asking him about it all game long. Why do you insist on taking extreme action on the baseless assumptions that I am scum and Dropbear is mafia? you are so sure and yet you have not said a single thing to back it up, other than just having "instinct". Contrast this with your town play in newbie mafia where you were killed because you were starting to make sense and were one of the only players using logic. Hate to make it seem like an OMGUS, but unless I see more of that risk.nuke and less of the current one, you will continue to shift from "misguided townie" to "scum" On December 15 2011 14:06 GreYMisT wrote:
I am curious to hear what Radfield thinks about who to lynch today based on the events that took place during the night.
I am going to put my vote down on Risk.Nuke for now. I have been mentioning the things wrong with his posts since midway through day one, and if you look back i posted a sample of his day1 analysis in newbie mini mafia, and compared it to his posting here. Not only does a drastic difference exist, but one that suggests a mafia agenda. In newbie mafia he was tasked with activly looking for scum, and his posting reflected that. on the other hand if he rolled mafia, he doesnt have to scum hunt, and that is reflected in his posts this game. Not to mention his refusal to provide reasoning behind his suspicions and thoughts.
On another not we need to make sure arcto ends up as the elected official. I am fairly certain due to the events that have taken place yesterday, as well as due to his posting, that he is town. On December 16 2011 06:37 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 06:09 Arctocod wrote:
His play seems very strange if he is scum. He is attracting a lot of attention, posting quite a bit and being aggressive. His latest post about changing his style also feels genuine to me. I don't see what makes him more likely scum than all the useless people we've around. While he isn't one of my strongest town reads, I don't think he is a good target. But in his post about changing his style, you don't find it odd that he essentially gave an excuse not to scumhunt anymore today? you are right however that he is doing a very good job at attracting attention, though i am not completely sold on the fact that mafia would never do this. ill take a look over the tread for an alternative lynch, though i am not completely sold on risk being town, his behavior just has not been helpful at all. A quick recap of what you're seeing in this last block. Greymist states that despite risk.nuke tunneling him, he sees him as prob town. Then states publicly that if risk.nuke keeps up his current play, greymist will shift from "misguided townie" to "scum". So we can establish that on Day 1 Greymist was fairly confident that risk.nuke was town. Yet here is what he says on Day 2 when he places his vote on risk.nuke: I am going to put my vote down on Risk.Nuke for now. I have been mentioning the things wrong with his posts since midway through day one, and if you look back i posted a sample of his day1 analysis in newbie mini mafia, and compared it to his posting here. Not only does a drastic difference exist, but one that suggests a mafia agenda. In newbie mafia he was tasked with activly looking for scum, and his posting reflected that. on the other hand if he rolled mafia, he doesnt have to scum hunt, and that is reflected in his posts this game. Not to mention his refusal to provide reasoning behind his suspicions and thoughts. He alludes to how on Day 1 he was already suspicious of him, yet he mentioned several times previously that he felt risk.nuke was probably just a "misguided townie". In fact even goes so far now as to state that risk.nukes posting suggests a mafia agenda. Quite a turn-around. This entire post is not a case against risk.nuke, it is an excuse. An excuse to vote for a townie. Later on Greymist switches to vote ProfessorBadass. I'd be happy to talk about that situation as well if people would like, though it is very clear that curu had given up at that point.
I think it's fairly likely that Greymist is scum. I won't say I am certain, because I am not. With the godfather flipped though I think Greymist is a great candidate for investigation by our dt. I would also not be averse to lynching him tomorrow. What are peoples thoughts?
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what do you think about evantrees?
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actually nevermind, he is probably blue:
I'm certain I'm not scum also fairly certain I don't have a ton to defend myself with. So a question claim now or claim when the night is over?
Evantrees, don't claim at all unless you are getting votes on you from me/arcto, or from a bunch of other people combined. No one needs that information right now.
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Also, the 2-shot medic and regular medic should be on me and Arcto. You guys can decide which. Scum is down to 3 members and only have two KP. If both me and Arcto survive tonight we will probably get another scum tomorrow, and drop their KP down to 1, which makes it almost GG.
I think scum need to take a hail mary and shoot both me and arcto tonight, or double tap one of us(Arcto most likely). We have no important blues in the open, and not really any other real high profile townies. So medics on us, and we should be in good shape.
Arcto(whomever you are) can you give me the quick breakdown on why you think Sheth is scum. I fully admit to not reading his filter this game, because it is simply too daunting. Thinking about it though, perhaps that should be a red flag for me.
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On December 18 2011 23:59 zeks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2011 23:28 Radfield wrote:Damn, I was writing up a post with the pertinent quote of ProfBad, but somehow lost it. It wasn't particularly useful anyways, so I'll just write the coles notes version instead: * risk.nuke is likely town, simply due to the energy that ProfBad put into discrediting him, and trying to get him lynched. * ProfBad made 2 real cases, both in the same post, on risk.nuke and cwave. However the case on Cwave is pretty weak, and he never mentions him again to my knowledge. * Prof is willing to bus his teammates, as he consistently calls out Dropbear(Bum-GF) early game. However calling out the godfather is pretty common scum-play, as you want to encourage enough suspicion to draw DT checks. *Calls out nyczbrandon's posts a couple times, but writes them off as bad townie. * Fights against Dues-ex for mayor position, argues over a few other things as well. Added with a few other things, Dues is likely town. * Zeks also looks better based on his interactions with ProfBad. Basically calling out the pardoner push as scum driven, and ProfBad calling him a dumbass Bum basically said very little, but posted his suspicions against both evantrees and refallen. However he quickly retracted his suspicion against Refallen, but it was done in such a way that Refallen may be town. Not sure yet. So, the vote list for ProfessorBadass as Pardoner. Seems highly unlikely to me that there would be zero scum on this wagon. I would in fact think scum would get on early to try and jolt it into action. GreYMisT, xsksc,
prplhz,GiygaS, Eiii, Refallen, RadfieldAssuming you believe me to be town(and apparantly green?!) where does that leave us? + Show Spoiler +I'll tell you where it leaves me, the same place I have been for a while. Greymist is scum I'd totally be down to shoot both GreYMisT and Refallen Throughout the whole game risk.nuke has called GreyMist out to be scum and several people have attacked risk.nuke for various things but he makes good points now and then On GreyMist He was the first to vote for ProfBA to be replacement pardoner When I had assumed Arc was silenced he replied: Show nested quote +"We don't know for sure if the ability includes a silence, don't assume things." Seems weird for him to say that as Arc not being active in the hours before lynch is suspicious in itself. He implied the ability doesn't include a silence which was actually the case (Arc was afk) Considers Zentor of all people for election Show nested quote +Am i correct in thinking that there are no bodygaurds for this election? and that the only thing that happens with the secretary of defense is that his role is revealed? then upon re-reading and thinking about it we need to treat the runner up slot like a second lynch. I want palmar in the elected spot so i am going to vote for him, but i am considering MrZentor as the runner up. voting him into the runner up will be a win-win for town. if he is town and he did not lie about his roleclaim, then the mafia gains nothing. however if he lied about it and he isnt unlynchable day one, we know who to target next. poor logic? "If he lied about it and he isnt unlynchable day one" - day 1 is over how do we go back and verify that. Note that MrZentor EXTRAPOLATED/EXAGGERATED his ability in saying he was unlynchable - turns out his skill was just extending day in which he could've been lynched after the 24 hours anyway. By no means was he unlynchable. Other than GreyMist I seriously think we should out Zentor
Greymist was pushing for Zentor to be elected back when Greymist thought the Secretary of Defence was just a public rolecheck. ie, vote in Zentor and we all find out if Zentor was lying. So in essence Greymist was actually showing his suspicion of Zentor when he posted that.
Assuming that we actually could vote in someone for a public rolecheck, Zentor was a terrible choice, particularly when we know mafia have several power roles. You've actually just found another scum point for Greymist !
Consider that we knew there was a roleblocker and corrupt attorny(or something) that mafia had access to. By voting in Zentor for a public check it assures that neither of those players could be found via rolecheck. We also now know that mafia had a Godfather and propagandist as well.
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Cwave, you were catching up on the thread 12 hours ago, yet we have heard nothing from you. In addition, you have done basically nothing since calling out the spaackle lynchers, which was not really contribution either. I would not be surprised if you flipped scum.
Zeks is probably town. TotallyNotTwoPeople are probably town. risk.nuke, giygas, zentor, are all probably town, but I haven't filtered them recently. Arcotcod is certainly town.
That leaves:
nyczbrandon: I would lean town
Dues-ex: leaning town
Refallen: not sure, really hasn't done much this game, possibly town though
evantrees: scummy, but has been getting pushed from mafia which may mean he is town
really not too sure on anyone else, but I will pound some filters tomorrow if I am still alive.
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That's probably fairly accurate evantrees.
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or perhaps C is ROLEBLOCKED
facepalm indeed
Why am I ineligible for election this cycle?
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it looks like he was doublestacked anyways so it may have not even mattered.
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