I'm fine with you all shooting me if that's what it takes to prove my town status but I rather try to defend myself here rather than make vet waste a shot on me, since when I survive, there's still the possiblity of me being a mafia vet.

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December 23 2011 20:11 GMT

#2502

See TnTPs defence. Also, I feel like I phrased the part about cascades and sheth badly. I felt like he was posting "kind of" like sheth in terms of tone ad style (not sleeping, using his own reads) but what made him town was that I felt his arguments and cases was actually more coherent and not forced.

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December 23 2011 22:37 GMT

#2516

If I was medic or DT I would have claimed medic or DT. Obviously I'm not afraid to do it ( see the only game I played in, the last xliii. I am a vet, a town vet. I will not lie shittly to cover up my mistakes.

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December 24 2011 08:50 GMT

#2565

SOrry I only sent the votes to kitaman. My bad, cyber.

Also, I rather vig shoots Jitsu than cascades at this point.

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December 24 2011 14:29 GMT

#2576

deus, no I don't. I just think jitsu is being really suspicious now, especially with his last few posts (leaving a vote on me because discussion has died down? totally ignoring TnTP's points on me too, btw.) I'm not DT. I just think jitsu>cascades in scumniness right now, though definitely cascades will be a good shot too.

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December 26 2011 03:38 GMT

#2633

I am so busy because of christmas, been travelling with really limited wi-fi.

I don't think TnTP is scum, he made a case defending me when
He could easily have just pushed me harder and no one would have found that suspicious.

That said, voting cascades today.

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December 26 2011 03:45 GMT

#2634

Also I don't mind being elected for second position, post your concerns about me and I'll try to answer them.

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December 27 2011 01:07 GMT

#2659

I'm not cascades scum buddy. I defended him because I honestly thought he was town, but my town read grew less certain after sheth flipped red. And honestly which mafia would try to defend a prime target for lynching that so many people are posting for? At that time iirc radfield and deus ex among others were pushing him to get lynched right? Why would I just stick my neck out for him like that? Also, you say that I changed my mind due to increasing pressure on cascades, and yes, good players tunnelling a single player also usually factors in in my scum reads, and I don't want a repeat of annul in tlxlviii. I know of cascades flips red I'm looking suspicious but I'm a town.

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December 27 2011 02:05 GMT

#2661

I think you should vote me in obviously since I know I'm town. I feel like I have been singled out as scummy because of my lurkerish first day and also my late voting times, but these were things I had limited/no control over, and I've been fighting the suspicions on me since day 1. I feel like I have been trying hard to help town, and I urge you to filter me again and see that I'm town, and if not, post the stuff you think is scummy and I'll try to address it here, again.

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December 27 2011 07:54 GMT

#2669

We need more time to determine who gets the second role deus. And I think you should vote me in for it if you're ambivalent on me and jaj because I have vet so I can survive 1kp.

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December 27 2011 08:43 GMT

#2670

And fwiw I think the final two scum are in the deus/risk.nuke/cascades group, if only because I believe the rest quite strongly town.

Radfield for obv reasons (roleblocked, none claimed)
TnTP mostly for his case defending me when he could easily have built up more pressure
Greymist for obv reasons
Jaj also seems more town than the upper three.

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December 27 2011 08:50 GMT

#2671

Sorry for the triple post, but with that in mind I much rather vote for me and jaj than for risk.nuke to office today.

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December 27 2011 14:15 GMT

#2676

It's not so much that I think you're scum more so the fact that I have 3 confirmed town reads on rad TnTP and greymist and between you and jaj jaj looks slightly better right now. Obviously if cascades flips red that might change, but I feel strongly that these three players (and me) are definitely town.

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December 27 2011 14:58 GMT

#2678

Like I said, the most striking things that have struck me in TnTPs play are
1. How he defended me, a really easy bandwagon lynch target, who by the way, is hard for mafia to kill at night because I'm a vet.
2. His consistently solid reasonings and posts throughout the games.

I am confused at why you picked TnTP here deus, do you not think he is town?

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December 27 2011 16:03 GMT

#2680

I've been posting from my phone the last couple of days as I'm overseas. It is very inconvenient for me to be quoting posts and filters. However I hardly think that any more pointing out of TnTPs towniness is needed, seeing as how it has already been done a couple of times (including by you). Similarly, you've dodged my question; why are you focusing on TnTP in my case? Are you seriously saying that you suddenly had doubts that he's town?

(will be the last post I make for awhile, heading to bed over here in Taiwan. Will check thread briefly tomorrow morning, hopefully will have time to analyse & post)

To end off, I'm aware that I have provided an avenue for people to attack me as scummy by posting the list earlier (something I need to fix in my upcoming games, why do people think I'm scum when I'm trying to actively post as town?) I could probably have done better as scum by just not posting for the rest of the day so as not to attract too much attention to myself, ala what everyone else is doing, but I chose to throw my thoughts out there and put myself in the spotlight, so to speak. I hope you all can identify this clearly as town like behaviour.

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December 28 2011 07:10 GMT

#2708

Shouldn't the military adviser be posting the two scenarios for his role now?

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December 29 2011 03:43 GMT

#2731

...what was that? What was your possible motivations for pulling off a stunt like this out of nowhere risk?

Also I am surprised we glossed over the third party option so quickly, but maybe that's because I don't know the strength of a double-lynch for town so late in the game.

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December 29 2011 03:53 GMT

#2735

I find it also extremely weird that a mafia would target rad after you claimed fake vet-making as your ability. You obviously thought rad was a very likely town (you've been asking him about opinions and to commentate on your scum reads), so I don't think mafia would have taken the risk and gone for radfield

You also haven't explained why you wanted to lie.

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December 29 2011 04:04 GMT

#2741

No TnTP I'm not third party, I'm with town.