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Radfield
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On December 15 2011 03:17 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 03:12 VisceraEyes wrote:On December 15 2011 03:05 risk.nuke wrote:On December 15 2011 03:00 Radfield wrote:
I agree completely on dropbear. He would be my number 1 target for a vig hit tonight. That's insanely stupid. Player who have the potential to be of great use to town should never be vig'd. And rofl at vigging him this soon. What's to say he isnt jsut trying to stay under the mafia rader so he can live and be of great use to us later in game. Fucking idiocy to kill a person like that and even more useless to waste a vig on him. You know, mafia have potential to be of great use to town. Should we never vig mafia? Who is YOUR number-one vig target risk? Clearly you have an idea, or you wouldn't have insinuated yourself into the discussion... I don't understand your first sentence. Read my filter before you fos me. If I were a vig I'd hit greymist.
Why would you kill Greymist? That's insanely stupid. Player who have the potential to be of great use to town should never be vig'd. And rofl at vigging him this soon. What's to say he isnt jsut trying to stay under the mafia rader so he can live and be of great use to us later in game. Fucking idiocy to kill a person like that and even more useless to waste a vig on him.
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Radfield
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zeks, I think those lists you put together are simply a list of the players who were active in the last two hours of the day. Basing our actions on them is a bad idea in my opinion.
I would prefer players go off who they think is scummy based on posting, not voting. At least for tonight.
+ Show Spoiler +On December 14 2011 23:15 zeks wrote:
Lynch
Spaackle (11):
ProfessorBadass
Eiii
Refallen
-ProfessorBadass
Radfield
xsksc
GreYMisT
evantrees
ProfessorBadass
Liquid`Sheth
nyczbrandon
risk.nuke
MrZentor
Election ProfessorBadass (7):
GreYMisT
xsksc
prplhz
GiygaS
-GiygaS
GiygaS
Eiii
Refallen
Radfield
For potential dts:
GreyMist, xsksc, Eiii would be great checks for tonight
For any vigs:
And shoot Zentor cause his unlynchable claim reeks of bs
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Radfield
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On December 15 2011 03:30 risk.nuke wrote:
You're the guys with double moral. You want to elect a good player despite alignment to keep them alive, the next thing you want to shoot dropbear because he hasn't done anything yet. That's a load of... ... ... and as far as I am concerned by beeing quiet dropbear atleast haven't caused town a ton of harm like radfield. You didn't even comment on what you thought of me running to keep it out of scumhands. wtf was that. I mean you should atleast have said what you thought of it, good idea, bad idea, something but the fact that you just ignored it and told everyone to vote the professors makes me so damn uneasy on you and it's by far the scummiest thing I think you did last night.
And greymist as far as I am aware is just decent at mafia, plain average. And if I were a vig I'd vig the one I have get mountainhigh scumchills on without hesitation.
I guess the disconnect here is that I haven't ever been in a game with dropbear where he has played well. OK yes, but not well. I would put him almost in the exact same boat as greymist, though it's possible dropbear has played well in games I have not seen.
As far as my actions last night, I wanted to get the election talk out of the way and move onto the lynch. Ideal scenario for mafia is Arctocod withdraws, and we spend the rest of the time bickering about who gets elected. Curu can play a strong game of mafia, and is a likely hit if he is town. If not him I would have chosen prplhz. I think you are far less likely to die tonight then you think you are.
What specifically points you towards scum on greymist. I see him as pretty likely town right now.
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Radfield
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Why did you kill Eiii Arcotcod? Specifically. I actually thought he was playing leaps and bounds over the last time we played(PYPIns).
On December 15 2011 08:02 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 11:41 Radfield wrote:
I think risk looks pretty town right now. I think he legitimately suspects you curu. Bad lynch in my eyes. Oh because Rad said so. Makes sense. Radfield, can you explain how risk looks town to you? Like, could you explain a townie motivation for the Why? post I just quoted a bit ago?
He's spotlighting himself like a madman. He's getting everyone worked up about him, and he's pulling no punches. I completely agreed with the WHY? post, Nisani and Zentor were weak lynches and easy for scum to pile on. He also seems to have absolutely no fear about looking scummy, which is generally a townie trait.
However, that latest post DID look like a scum slip, but I can see where he was coming from. If the argument is that he is scummy for stopping those lynches, then that means one of Zentor or Nisani must have been scum. Him stopping the lynch on two townies is not scummy.
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On December 15 2011 10:08 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:59 Radfield wrote:Why did you kill Eiii Arcotcod? Specifically. I actually thought he was playing leaps and bounds over the last time we played(PYPIns). On December 15 2011 08:02 VisceraEyes wrote:On December 14 2011 11:41 Radfield wrote:
I think risk looks pretty town right now. I think he legitimately suspects you curu. Bad lynch in my eyes. Oh because Rad said so. Makes sense. Radfield, can you explain how risk looks town to you? Like, could you explain a townie motivation for the Why? post I just quoted a bit ago? He's spotlighting himself like a madman. He's getting everyone worked up about him, and he's pulling no punches. I completely agreed with the WHY? post, Nisani and Zentor were weak lynches and easy for scum to pile on. He also seems to have absolutely no fear about looking scummy, which is generally a townie trait. However, that latest post DID look like a scum slip, but I can see where he was coming from. If the argument is that he is scummy for stopping those lynches, then that means one of Zentor or Nisani must have been scum. Him stopping the lynch on two townies is not scummy. So you agreed with the part about "bandwagons are 99% of the time townie lynches / bussing scum"? You agreed with the "all bandwagons are scum-influenced"? Come on Radfield. Dig deep bro.
Of course not. The bandwagon part is silly, and also unimportant. If he was talking about Day 1 bandwagons, then yeah, they're probably scum influenced much of the time, but not really after that.
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On December 15 2011 10:38 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 10:36 ProfessorBadass wrote:On December 15 2011 10:33 risk.nuke wrote:On December 15 2011 10:26 VisceraEyes wrote:On December 15 2011 10:23 ProfessorBadass wrote:On December 15 2011 10:12 risk.nuke wrote:On December 15 2011 10:02 ProfessorBadass wrote:
lol this just looks like a stupid attempt to waste a Medic protection on you before you get hanged.
If you were Town and looking like you were going to get lynched why the hell would they ever shoot you? Your ignorence just makes you look scum. Tell me you can't think of a single reason in that scenario so palmar can lynch you. I wouldn't get lynched tomorrow. You make it sound like it's in stone but really it's just you three who are idiots or/and mafia. ViceraEye, after your performance today I can call you whatever I want. You should be happy I call you idiot and don't just ignore you. You're worthless and suspected. No I can't think of a single scenario why anyone would want to protect you especially when it is highly likely Arctocod was knocked out of office so he wouldn't get protection. Just looks like flailing scum trying to exert influence in any way he can. Keep digging your own grave buddy. Maybe you can answer this: why would scum knock out Palmogism rather than Rad, who was leading for Mayor, and therefor had more town-cred (or whatever gets you elected in these things) than Palmogism? Why not knock out the Mayor if they're looking for someone 'dangerous' to them to 'remove protections' from? Radfield could be mafia. Just saying. He played a terrible towngame last night, and if both arctocod and radfield were town why did mafia choose arctocod and not radfield who at the time looked more town then arcto. lol what? Radfield's play last night was disagreeing with Nisani and MrZentor lynches (something you agreed with him on as well). He agreed on the Spaackles case which I felt was the best (duh, I posted it). So to play less bad he should've made random statements about GreyMist saying he had a gut feeling he was scum right? Your posts get more and more ridiculous. Radfields play last night, was not doing a shit or comment on anything significant untill the last minute where he decided the lynch.
Thanks dude. I got on when I could and I did what I could. I'm not a superhero. I don't magically make good Day 1 lynches appear.
On December 15 2011 10:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
But you said you agreed with it completely, man. This is what I'm talking about when I say you're being the most suspicious of the vets (although Palmogism is creeping up there)...because you're speaking in half-truths.
Why is that unimportant? He's literally saying 'you can't trust anyone pushing for a lynch because they're probably scum'. It's fear-mongering, and it's anti-town. How is that not important?
And why would scum not try and influence the lynch on days after day 1? Is it not in their best interest to have townies lynched all game long?
I am going to write this as if you are town, if you are mafia feel free to ignore.
The reason some people don't take you seriously is because of comments like this. You are honing in on my use of 1 word, "completely", and ignoring whats going on around it. You're scum finding metrics are off because you hone in on every little thing. It's like you're going out of your way to be confrontational with every single post. You're not trying to get reads, you're just trying to push push push. I mean, you're not even talking about anything here.... /end lecture
It was unimportant because it was irrelevant, and an exaggeration. When I said I 'completely' agreed with that post, I didn't even know the bandwagon part was there. Why? Because I skim read that part and promptly ignored it. Just like you should have. His post was about how Nisani and Zentor were easy places for mafia to hide, and that people sticking their votes on were furthering mafia agenda. I don't disagree, as both were very likely to flip green at that stage. The rest was him making an incorrect exaggeration about bandwagons...
Obviously scum try to influence bandwagons on all days, but it's on Day 1 where they are most effective at guiding the lynch. After that I would say most bandwagons are driven by town play. Happy we cleared that up?
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Radfield
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On December 15 2011 10:58 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 10:53 bumatlarge wrote:
What was the arcotod withdrawal about? And is the night not over? Eiii was just killed by a instant vig or something?
We belive scum used a special abillity to force Arctocod to withdraw. As of now it is not clear wether the abillity was to create a fake post, Withdraw the candidate or just nullify all votes. The night is not over. Giygas had some mailman abillitys that he used to privately tell Arctocod that he could kill a person. Arctocod then told Giygas to send the letter-bomb (which if opened kills the reciever) to eiii.
Actually it's clear at this point that Arctocod WAS withdrawn from the election, as all votes cast for them were nullified by the host.
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Radfield
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yep. I'm sure it's a comin'
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Well, so much for my protection....
Ok, so Arctocod for Secretary of Defence. Then the medic ability can be WIFOMed between the two of us. Someone who is very likely town in Surgeon General, probably Gigyas.
I assume someone took a hit last night?
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gg prplhz. Your Day 1 play has been real solid the last two games.
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On December 15 2011 12:21 ProfessorBadass wrote:
Well shit, we only get one bodyguard right?
Elections should be obvious, make Arctocod the Surgeon General and GigyaS the Secretary of Defense.
Other way around? No?
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Whoops, I read the Surgeon General wrong. He does not act as a medic himself, instead he makes a different player a medic with 2 protections.
Not sure what the best play is there then. I'll think about it in the morning.
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Sheth, the key to scenarios like the one you just proposed is time. Arctocod has two things right now pointing to him being very very likely town. Not to mention that they are also very strong town-aligned players. If they are still alive on Day 4/Day 5 and have not been catching scum, THAT is when you start questioning the voracity of the confirmation events.
Likewise with GigyaS. He is seen almost universally as town right now, and is posting pretty sensibly. Not to mention that he might still have more actions up his sleeve that mafia doesn't know about it. Again, if he is still alive in the late-game and hasn't been getting hit, you start questioning.
On December 16 2011 06:09 Arctocod wrote:
His play seems very strange if he is scum. He is attracting a lot of attention, posting quite a bit and being aggressive. His latest post about changing his style also feels genuine to me. I don't see what makes him more likely scum than all the useless people we've around. While he isn't one of my strongest town reads, I don't think he is a good target.
I agree with this. I think risk.nuke is a poor lynch today. His play is scummy, but NOT scum driven from what I can see.
Bumatlarge: you need to start playing this game fast. Dropbear started you in a hole, so if you are town please start showing us.
I want to look harder into both greymist and supersoft today. After Day 1 I had both down as prob town, but I'm not so sure anymore.
Marserblood, nyczbrandon and refallen all need to post more. Who do you guys want to lynch today.
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On December 15 2011 18:20 Cwave wrote:Myself as im town and would put great power to good use. Seeing as this is veteran city im aware that the chances of that happening are slim i still hope to make everyone think twice before its a Russian election again. As for the second candidate, i say Giygas. Giygas posts sensible and is active, has a brain and will use the power to good use instead of squander it. All of the last hour vote switchers to Spaackle can expect to never get a vote from me while there are sensible alternatives
Why do you prefer Gigyas instead of Arctocod? What makes Giygas seem more sensible and active than Arctocod? Or do you find Arcotocod scummy?
What do you think of me. Do you think I am scummy? Do you think I am likely town?
How would you rank the following players in terms of most likely to be town: Radfield, Arctocod, Greymist, Deus-ex, ProfBA
There was something else I was going to ask you too, but I forget 
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On December 16 2011 07:43 GiygaS wrote:I agree, I'm not really comfortable with a vig role yet, I want to get more used to Mafia before I do that. Anyway, I want to talk about something: Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 06:36 Radfield wrote:
I agree with this. I think risk.nuke is a poor lynch today. His play is scummy, but NOT scum driven from what I can see.
Huh? How is scummy posts not an influence to lynch someone?
What I mean is, there are things with risk.nuke's play that could be called scummy. Repeatedly calling out Greymist without analysis, running hard out of the blue for pardoner, etc. Yet I don't see scum-motivation behind risk.nuke's posts, nor does it feel like his tone is fake or forced.
Sometimes people play over-the-top with no regard for how they are viewed by the other players in the game, or how a certain stance or position might make them look. Those people are rarely mafia, and normally vanilla town. risk.nuke fits that profile, and as such I think he is probably town.
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Greymist, assuming risk.nuke was unlynchable today, who would you be voting for.
Even if you don't have specifics, who are your top 3 scummy players right now?
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On December 16 2011 08:19 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 08:18 Radfield wrote:
Greymist, assuming risk.nuke was unlynchable today, who would you be voting for.
Even if you don't have specifics, who are your top 3 scummy players right now? Give me a few minutes, still looking through some of day1 to see what I can find. The problem is i feel the majority of the actives are town, and that the scum is mixed in with the townie lurkers. This is making it rather hard to find them to be honest.
Sounds good. I have all night
On December 16 2011 08:25 Jitsu wrote:
I think the same question could go back at you Radfield, and I actually want to see Arcto's response to this as well. Who do you both feel would be good Top 3 Lynches, and why?
I'm not going to give you my top 3, or even my top 1 just yet. But I will say this, I think Cwave looks like scum on first glance. I probably won't go balls to the wall on lynching him just yet, but I am interested in what others think of his posting so far.
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On December 16 2011 08:53 nyczbrandon wrote:
Meh, was just trying to show GiyaGs something because he may of missed it when he was comparing filters. I'll try to go scum hunting but I know if i will find anything
I have a job for you.
Who do you think is more scummy between Comprissent and cascades? Why?
Who do you think is more scummy between TotallyNotTwoPeople and Refallen? Why?
If you had the power to save 5 people from dying tonight, who would they be? Why?
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On December 16 2011 08:55 Jitsu wrote:
The strange thing about Cwave is that I barely remember him on Day1, yet he comes out of the woodwork on Day2. Didn't check his filter, just a mental note. I'll look thru some stuff.
That's because he disappeared for 18 hours. Eighteen hours which encompassed the Arctocod withdrawal, the pardoner vote and the lynch.
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On December 16 2011 08:57 VisceraEyes wrote:I'd look Rad, but you probably wouldn't take me seriously.  In seriousness though, why aren't you willing to share YOUR reads? Are you afraid of vet-bias or something? "Hey guys, Rad said he's suspicious! GET HIM!!!!"
Not at all. When I am quite suspicious of someone I often try to sit back and watch what they do. I don't put them in the hot-seat at all, and let them do what they would if they thought they were under no suspicion. I particularly do this with players who I expect to contribute, but are not.
The thing is, I pretty much already know what's going to happen once I hard accuse them, so I'm trying to get the maximum amount of knowledge on their baseline play before that happens.
Also, I am often wrong at this stage of the game, and once you start publicly accusing someone it's harder to change your views. By allowing player X to show he is contributing or being townish, it lets me save my effort for when I need it.
Thats all pretty general though, and the reason in this case is simply that I do not want that player to know I am suspicious of him. Very suspicious.... 
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