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This will be my last defensive post for a while before I grab lunch and go through the thread again.
As you said I was the natural selection for Pardoner. If I was Mafia I could have just laid low, not post, most likely get elected Pardoner anyways and have no spotlight on me. Yes I realize I should be under heavy pressure but not for ridiculously stupid stuff.
Like I remember someone posted earlier I was scummy for switching to Spaackle at the last moment. I was suspicious of Spaackle a long time before the lynch. It wasn't a last minute switch by any means of the imagination. Why was I suspicious? The most comfortable thing for Mafia to do is to sit there, post about how some people are Town, then go along with the hottest wagon. You appear to contribute without ever sticking your neck out. Spaackle was doing exactly that: calling people Town, then calling MrZentor scum when Zentor had the most votes, then turning around and calling Nisani scum (despite calling him Town earlier) when Nisani had the most votes. A lot of people now show up after the flip to whine about the lynch yet no one except Palmar even bothered to try to discuss the case (and all Palmar said was "I think he's Townie").
Going to go grab lunch now.
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Oh and zeks calling someone a dumbass means I think they are saying stupid shit. That doesn't necessarily mean I think they are Mafia (unless they are being purposely stupid) it just means they need to stop saying stupid shit.
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Alrighty here's the situation for me as it stands:
I still don't like risk.nuke. Look at his actions at the beginning of the game when there was not a single chance he would be elected:
On December 13 2011 23:54 risk.nuke wrote:
I think Arctocod is likely mafia but I'm not going to do anything about that now. He will have to play pro-town because I will watch him like a hawk.
Todays lynches I would like one of these two. Graymist and GiygaS. Though there is a dilemma. I am more sure on Graymist then on Giygas and we'll learn more from Graymists flip then Giygas. Against Graymist probably beeing a more valuable townie then Giygas.
He thinks Arctocod is likely Mafia but never tries anything to stop the candidacy. Even after I started arguing that Arctocod should be Pardoner and Radfield Mayor he did not say a word against it despite Pardoner being the stronger Mafia role. Yet suddenly after the Arctocod withdrawal he immediately runs for Pardoner on the basis that he "doesn't want it to fall into Mafia hands."
He has not said a single word against me or even mentioned me before in his posts besides to say he is unsure about me. He argues the basis of him not wanting me in office is because GreyMist is voting for me; GreyMist was also voting for Arctocod, who risk said he believed was likely Mafia but again he did not say a single word of protest at that time. At that time there was 0 chance risk would be elected; after the Arctocod withdrawal when the situation was hectic he suddenly throws in his candidacy on the basis that he doesn't want Mafia to get the position. Where was this position earlier? He didn't even try to argue against the Arctocod election despite saying he thought he was likely Mafia.
His actions leading up to the lynch are ridiculous. He's saying anyone who votes for Nisani is scum. Look at how ridiculous this post is:
On December 14 2011 11:02 risk.nuke wrote:No I'll be damned if you actually lynch nisani. ANYONE who votes for him I will consider to be scum. same for Zentor. Why? Because if they were mafia their buddies would had putten a stop to this ages ago. Now I'll tell you something about bandwagons. Bandwagons are almost always influenced by mafia. due to the uncertainty of townies it's nearly impossible for a bandwagon to kick of without the mafia influencing it. Thats why in 99% bandwagon cases you're either lynching a townie or scum is bussing.
Anyone who tries to lead a lynch is scummy? It must be scum influenced? What kind of dumb thinking is this? During this time leading to the lynch he has not pushed a single candidate or done any analysis, merely claiming that he saved Zentor and Nisani (neither is remotely close to true). So let's go back, he thinks Mafia can take advantage of the time of chaos, he thinks the lynch candidates are bad, he thinks this is the time Town is most vulnerable and that he can salvage the Town. Yet he has zero, count it zero, real analysis on anyone. All he does is call GreyMist scum because of a "gut feeling."
And now this gem:
On December 15 2011 08:07 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:06 VisceraEyes wrote:On December 15 2011 08:02 risk.nuke wrote:On December 15 2011 08:00 GreYMisT wrote:On December 15 2011 07:58 risk.nuke wrote:On December 15 2011 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote:On December 14 2011 11:02 risk.nuke wrote:No I'll be damned if you actually lynch nisani. ANYONE who votes for him I will consider to be scum. same for Zentor. Why? Because if they were mafia their buddies would had putten a stop to this ages ago. Now I'll tell you something about bandwagons. Bandwagons are almost always influenced by mafia. due to the uncertainty of townies it's nearly impossible for a bandwagon to kick of without the mafia influencing it. Thats why in 99% bandwagon cases you're either lynching a townie or scum is bussing. Okay, this post. What is going on with this post? He's threatening to attack anyone who votes for the 2 present lynch candidates (or so I gather from the thread - the consensus seems to be that the lynch is either Zentor or Nisani). Why? Because if they were mafia, their buddies would had putten a stop to this ages ago. You know, like he's doing here. He backs it up with fear tactics (Bandwagons almost always "influenced by mafia") and imaginary statistics (99% bandwagon cases you're either lynching a townie or scum is bussing). My read on risk.nuke gets redder and redder. Why isn't anyone considering this guy seriously? You do realise that YOU are nisani... He was saying that zentor and nisani were the top lynch candidates at that time, not that they should be now... No he was saying I am red. And his case builds around the fact that MrZentor and Nisani is scum and I'm their scumbuddy coming to protect them. No, I'm building a case based around your scummy bullshit bro. I never said they were red (and yes, I realize I'm Nisani). What I said was you were putting a stop to their lynch with your post, though I can see how you'd think that's what I meant. I was saying that the way you were going about stopping the lynch was scummy. So your case is I'm scummy because I'm stopping a lynch on two townies, okey now I get your logic.
lol you somehow conclusively know that Nisani and Zentor are Townie now? Most of the people against their lynch were against it because they had not done anything to show they were Town or scum either way. But you somehow are sure they are Town. Scumslip much?
Cwave declared his candidacy on the basis that he is a dedicated and aggressive scumhunter. He throws his vote on Zentor making sure to note that Radfield is the one who is responsible for the lynch. Doesn't post or contribute at all, comes back and tries to make all the people on the Spaackle lynch look bad without explaining anything about why the reasoning or cases behind the lynch were bad.
His main candidates for scumminess today seem to be Radfield and MrZentor, and he makes sure to state again that he thinks MrZentor is scummy because of Radfield. But wait what, if you also think Radfield is scum why are you still pushing something you thought was drawn out by him?
Look how much attention he is trying to draw on the people who voted Spaackle:
On December 14 2011 22:52 Cwave wrote:
Eiii, Greymist, LiquidSeth, Refallen, Radfield, Risk.nuke, Comprissent, Nyc and Liquid all voted for Spaackle in the last hour AND had a vote out before that. And last but not least ProfBad who switched from Spaackles to risk.nuke to..... Spaackles.
Tsk tsk tsk. Scum!
Blanket statement trying to draw attention to everyone who voted for Spaackle. No mention of why the case was bad. No real analysis mounted on any of them, seems hesitant to try to lead anything concrete on anyone hoping instead it will take off and he won't be seen at the head.
I dislike how Sheth played the part of bandwagon hero in crunch time last night. His votes and thoughts jumped around to whatever people asked him. A lot of "I'm okay with this" and "I'll do this if I have to" posts, he never really took an initiative on his own. He never seemed particularly interested in who was actually going to be lynched, it felt like he was just riding along with popular Town sentiment.
TotallyNotTwoPeople has been completely worthless, disappearing at crucial times. Unfortunately this has been the case for many players at this point.
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I highly doubt Eiii was responsible for the Arctocod stepdown.
On December 14 2011 10:57 Eiii wrote:
Given that this is ELECTION MAFIA, the whole step-down thing is definitely a red power. Last night I wouldn't have been comfortable with either deus or prof in an elected role, but now that prof is actually posting I'm going to be voting for him. I'm kind of undecided on the lynch, but it's not going to be on zentor. unvoting and rereading.
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Arcto when you received the package from GiygaS was it anonymous or did it tell you it was him?
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Intended that way or you put it in yourself?
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No because if it was anonymous then GiygaS is pretty much confirmed Town since no Mafia would use their power that way.
If it wasn't then GiygaS looks a whole lot worse as a sort of delayed Vig where their targets know who killed them before they are killed. Using that power would put a whole lot of attention on you but not if you're able to pass off the decision to someone else.
I'm also curious why Eiii was chosen when Arctocod mentioned 3 completely different targets for Vig shots earlier. Was that decision entirely your own Arcto?
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Oh ninja'd by Arcto, so yeah treat GigyaS as essentially confirmed Town.
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Sigh I wish you hadn't done that. There was no need to reveal your power was oneshot.
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No it was almost definitely not Eiii. I provided the quote why.
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Err, I mean yeah it was almost definitely not Eiii.
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What in the world makes you think you are going to get hit? Honestly? You are probably the last person any Medic is thinking of protecting.
This new flood control is godamn annoying as hell.
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lol this just looks like a stupid attempt to waste a Medic protection on you before you get hanged.
If you were Town and looking like you were going to get lynched why the hell would they ever shoot you?
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On December 15 2011 10:12 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 10:02 ProfessorBadass wrote:
lol this just looks like a stupid attempt to waste a Medic protection on you before you get hanged.
If you were Town and looking like you were going to get lynched why the hell would they ever shoot you? Your ignorence just makes you look scum. Tell me you can't think of a single reason in that scenario so palmar can lynch you. I wouldn't get lynched tomorrow. You make it sound like it's in stone but really it's just you three who are idiots or/and mafia. ViceraEye, after your performance today I can call you whatever I want. You should be happy I call you idiot and don't just ignore you.
You're worthless and suspected. No I can't think of a single scenario why anyone would want to protect you especially when it is highly likely Arctocod was knocked out of office so he wouldn't get protection.
Just looks like flailing scum trying to exert influence in any way he can. Keep digging your own grave buddy.
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On December 15 2011 10:26 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 10:23 ProfessorBadass wrote:On December 15 2011 10:12 risk.nuke wrote:On December 15 2011 10:02 ProfessorBadass wrote:
lol this just looks like a stupid attempt to waste a Medic protection on you before you get hanged.
If you were Town and looking like you were going to get lynched why the hell would they ever shoot you? Your ignorence just makes you look scum. Tell me you can't think of a single reason in that scenario so palmar can lynch you. I wouldn't get lynched tomorrow. You make it sound like it's in stone but really it's just you three who are idiots or/and mafia. ViceraEye, after your performance today I can call you whatever I want. You should be happy I call you idiot and don't just ignore you. You're worthless and suspected. No I can't think of a single scenario why anyone would want to protect you especially when it is highly likely Arctocod was knocked out of office so he wouldn't get protection. Just looks like flailing scum trying to exert influence in any way he can. Keep digging your own grave buddy. Maybe you can answer this: why would scum knock out Palmogism rather than Rad, who was leading for Mayor, and therefor had more town-cred (or whatever gets you elected in these things) than Palmogism? Why not knock out the Mayor if they're looking for someone 'dangerous' to them to 'remove protections' from?
Why would I know that? Maybe they thought two good players > 1. Maybe they think Palmar/syllo are better players than Radfield. I would argue against your Mayor point too, I preferred to put Palmar/syllo as Pardoner over Mayor because I feared Radfield's scum play a lot more.
Where are you going with these questions?
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On December 15 2011 10:33 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 10:26 VisceraEyes wrote:On December 15 2011 10:23 ProfessorBadass wrote:On December 15 2011 10:12 risk.nuke wrote:On December 15 2011 10:02 ProfessorBadass wrote:
lol this just looks like a stupid attempt to waste a Medic protection on you before you get hanged.
If you were Town and looking like you were going to get lynched why the hell would they ever shoot you? Your ignorence just makes you look scum. Tell me you can't think of a single reason in that scenario so palmar can lynch you. I wouldn't get lynched tomorrow. You make it sound like it's in stone but really it's just you three who are idiots or/and mafia. ViceraEye, after your performance today I can call you whatever I want. You should be happy I call you idiot and don't just ignore you. You're worthless and suspected. No I can't think of a single scenario why anyone would want to protect you especially when it is highly likely Arctocod was knocked out of office so he wouldn't get protection. Just looks like flailing scum trying to exert influence in any way he can. Keep digging your own grave buddy. Maybe you can answer this: why would scum knock out Palmogism rather than Rad, who was leading for Mayor, and therefor had more town-cred (or whatever gets you elected in these things) than Palmogism? Why not knock out the Mayor if they're looking for someone 'dangerous' to them to 'remove protections' from? Radfield could be mafia. Just saying. He played a terrible towngame last night, and if both arctocod and radfield were town why did mafia choose arctocod and not radfield who at the time looked more town then arcto.
lol what? Radfield's play last night was disagreeing with Nisani and MrZentor lynches (something you agreed with him on as well).
He agreed on the Spaackles case which I felt was the best (duh, I posted it). So to play less bad he should've made random statements about GreyMist saying he had a gut feeling he was scum right?
Your posts get more and more ridiculous.
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bum wtf are you rambling on about?
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Well shit, we only get one bodyguard right?
Elections should be obvious, make Arctocod the Surgeon General and GigyaS the Secretary of Defense.
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On December 15 2011 12:23 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 12:21 ProfessorBadass wrote:
Well shit, we only get one bodyguard right?
Elections should be obvious, make Arctocod the Surgeon General and GigyaS the Secretary of Defense. Other way around? No?
Sure, either or is fine. For some reason I got the idea that only Surgeon General could be protected with his ability.
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