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Jitsu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States929 Posts
December 16 2011 21:06 GMT
#1629
Also, something to note: When the pressure came on hard on Curu, Comprissent came out for the defense, trying to divert attention onto other things.
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Jitsu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States929 Posts
December 16 2011 21:20 GMT
#1637
On December 17 2011 06:15 Comprissent wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2011 06:06 Jitsu wrote:
Also, something to note: When the pressure came on hard on Curu, Comprissent came out for the defense, trying to divert attention onto other things.

Excuse me?

I am trying to defend what? I have not even mentioned which way my lynch vote would go. As of now, professorbadass is an easy lynch since he has given up for town. I don't want him on my side anymore if he won't try to win for town. If he's scum, all the better he's gone

If you are bothering to read the thread, you'll find Greymist did the exact same thing as me a few posts later, simply analyze the town hits. Go by your own logic and suspect him too, why don't you

Every time I post you try to tie me into something that's completely untrue. I don't think you're mafia, because you would have given up your attempts to bandwagon me a long time ago when you realized nobody else is picking it up. Try to read posts with an open mind before reading them under the assumption i'm scum. Because honestly, if you keep doing it this way, you're not going to help us catch any mafia.


I never say didn't pick up on it. I also didn't say I wasn't suspecting him. The accusation was against you. If it bothers you so much, just ignore me and keep looking for mafia. I do read posts from an open mind, and I'm also tunneling you for a reason. And for the record, I am trying to help catch mafia.

I think your words for voting for ProfBA is a good one. But keep in mind, we vote to find/lynch mafia - not to rid ourselves of useless town players. Vote based on that, not based on the inability to play as a townie correctly.
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Jitsu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States929 Posts
December 16 2011 21:30 GMT
#1642
On December 17 2011 06:26 Comprissent wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2011 06:20 Jitsu wrote:
On December 17 2011 06:15 Comprissent wrote:
On December 17 2011 06:06 Jitsu wrote:
Also, something to note: When the pressure came on hard on Curu, Comprissent came out for the defense, trying to divert attention onto other things.

Excuse me?

I am trying to defend what? I have not even mentioned which way my lynch vote would go. As of now, professorbadass is an easy lynch since he has given up for town. I don't want him on my side anymore if he won't try to win for town. If he's scum, all the better he's gone

If you are bothering to read the thread, you'll find Greymist did the exact same thing as me a few posts later, simply analyze the town hits. Go by your own logic and suspect him too, why don't you

Every time I post you try to tie me into something that's completely untrue. I don't think you're mafia, because you would have given up your attempts to bandwagon me a long time ago when you realized nobody else is picking it up. Try to read posts with an open mind before reading them under the assumption i'm scum. Because honestly, if you keep doing it this way, you're not going to help us catch any mafia.


I never say didn't pick up on it. I also didn't say I wasn't suspecting him. The accusation was against you. If it bothers you so much, just ignore me and keep looking for mafia. I do read posts from an open mind, and I'm also tunneling you for a reason. And for the record, I am trying to help catch mafia.

I think your words for voting for ProfBA is a good one. But keep in mind, we vote to find/lynch mafia - not to rid ourselves of useless town players. Vote based on that, not based on the inability to play as a townie correctly.


An accusation that didn't make sense whatsoever, as I wasn't trying to defend anyone.

And just for the record, I have been trying to ignore you. But your posts *analysing* me have been completely useless and unhelpful for trying to scumhunt. So useless that I thought it was necessary to finally call you out on it. You are not reading my posts from an open mind, since you have already decided to be suspicious of me.


Good! So the pressure is working, than.
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Jitsu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States929 Posts
December 17 2011 02:22 GMT
#1696
Not defending Refallan directly, but I posted something similar earlier.

Look at the two types of abilities.

One is a silence ability, which has little to no help for the town. Why would stifling conversation for the town be a good thing?

Conversely, town could have some use for nullifying election votes on someone. Remember, it takes a good amount of votes for a first and second place election to be swayed a certain way. If, somehow, the mafia got to a point where they could sway an election how they wanted, town players could utilize that skill to even the odds.

Silence has a much more anti-town connotation than pro-town.
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Jitsu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States929 Posts
December 17 2011 11:52 GMT
#1730
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 17 2011 12:43 Radfield wrote:
OK, so we're obviously lynching curu. Silencer is a fairly scum-favoured tool, and using it on oneself is not particularly town. Not to mention, did anyone else read that convo between Erandorr and Curu and think it was a convo between two townies? I did not.

In other news, I am here to save the day! I have the power to enact a double lynch, and as such will be using it today. Curu is obviously locked in, so lets kickstart on who else we want to lynch


Bum, your posting is ridiculously terrible this game. I would guess half your posts so far I actually have no idea what your talking about. Have you filtered anyone? Have you read any post more than once? You just feel like your putting in about 10 minutes a day of effort. I realize you're homeless and everything, but don't the public libraries have computers you can use?

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On December 17 2011 08:00 Arctocod wrote:
On December 17 2011 07:52 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
hey syllo, I got one question... Why didn't curu silence you at the beginning of the day... As scum i'd have done exactly that...
It's probably a one or twoshot ability but palmar already posted at night that he wants to lynch him...

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On December 14 2011 18:28 Arctocod wrote:
Not to mention it's fucking retarded from a setup point of view to have a real-time ability that can just be used after we're both gone to bed. We weren't even around to tell people who should be voted into office instead of us.

We're lynching ProfessorBadass tomorrow.


do you think he knew he wouldn't survive day3 for sure if he silences you day1 ?

I don't know, maybe it only lasts for X hours rather than the whole day? It's fairly pointless to speculate about his role because the way he used it and acted in the thread make him a pretty much confirmed scum.

Also, we definitely shouldn't consider MrZentor confirmed town or anything based on his ability


On December 14 2011 10:10 MrZentor wrote:
I'm pretty sure it's an ability that must be used before two hours before the election.
A little over 2 hours remain in the day.


There is no reason for Palmar to do this, and if he had, he would explain it.

Risk.nuke acts like Palmar was the one who resigned, something a mafia would do if it were a mafia role like the one I described.

Ehh wtf move palmar?


And he tries to get the role of pardoner.

Since graymist is voting for him I sure as hell don't want him to be pardoner.

Yeah, risk.nuke is mafia.
Vote me for pardoner if you belive I'm town. Then atleast you'll know the role is not in scum hands.


It's a rather astute conclusion based on the information available at the time, especially coming from a new player. Eiii's flip pretty much confirmed that it really is the case for the scum version of the role. He also pushes risk nuke, who I believe mafia has considered to be the easy mislynch. While his role can be used in a pro town fashion as he did when I requested him to, it's also quite nice for scum.

I'll have to look into what people were saying about Zentor on day 1 though to see if him being scum makes sense

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12735074



This is actually remarkably damning. I haven't checked the time-stamps yet, but what possible reason would a townie have for speculating that it was an ability that needed to be used at least 2 hours before the day. I NEVER would have gotten close to assuming that. It was obvious it was scum driven, but 2 hours? That's incredibly specific and accurate.

MrZentor, when you are around please let me know. I have a few questions for you.


Rad, wasn't that the same point that I brought up against Refallen that was defended by a few other players?
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Jitsu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States929 Posts
December 18 2011 03:15 GMT
#1789
Viscera, you're the man! GOod job.

Sorry about my lack of activity today guys. Had two seperate Christmas parties to go to tonight, and am actually going to hit the sack. I believe my votes are in for today, so we should be all good.

Nice pick on Bumatlarge. VE, all you baby.

~Jitsu
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Jitsu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States929 Posts
December 18 2011 03:21 GMT
#1791
Wow. 2/2. Nice job guys.
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Jitsu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States929 Posts
December 18 2011 15:24 GMT
#1839
I agree with Radfield on protecting himself and Arcto with medic powers, definitly. At this point, I don't think it's even worthwhile to hide if you receive a medic power, because if it can drag a mafia KP off of Radfield and Arcto for them to survive another night, than that's successful. I revert to phrase where it says "You win with town." Not "You with with town if you are alive."

I also have a strong feeling with Sheth. He was pretty hard up for defending Curu after he went apeshit and blew his power. Than when he realized he wasn't going to turn anyone to his cause in defending him, he jumped. A side note: Sheth was heavily defending Curu up until GreyMist and I "spoke logically."


+ Show Spoiler +
On December 17 2011 05:46 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Also, ProfessorBA quit being a retard. Don't let just arctocod's rambling ruin this game please. It appears you have used some sort of power.. Should you tell us anything so we know whats going on please Prof? Arctocod shut up on lynching him please. Its getting old and stunting EVERY OTHER thing in this thread.


On December 17 2011 05:46 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Giygas you think thats a mafia power? Please tell me why you think that other then just Arctocod said it would be? Freaking sheep.


On December 17 2011 06:17 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Jitsu + Greymist Yay logic. You two make me happy.

#Vote: ProffessorBadAss




This is when Sheth blew up during the primary CuruGate scandle. He was employing a lot of different strategies, trying to convince people to get their votes off of Curu. Pleading with Arcto to ease pressure, asking everyone to think logically and seek reason...than when GreyMist and I "spoke logically" he turned. I think he realized no one was going to deny that Curulynch.
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Jitsu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States929 Posts
December 18 2011 15:26 GMT
#1840
On December 19 2011 00:20 Arctocod wrote:
I don't really feel like filtering Sheth either right now. I might have been tunnelling a bit based on the assumption I can expect him to make sense. He did suddenly turned rather hostile when we started pushing for Curu's lynch and then did another 180 pretty quickly after Greymist+Jitsu explained the obvious to him.

/syllogism


Ahhhh, shit. I type up a rather eloquent post that you ninja in three lines. Damnit. :[
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Jitsu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States929 Posts
December 18 2011 16:58 GMT
#1845
I thought we came to the conclusion that there wasn't a double lynch? Unless i'm missing something?
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Jitsu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States929 Posts
December 19 2011 04:58 GMT
#1866
Ugh...
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Jitsu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States929 Posts
December 19 2011 14:14 GMT
#1922
On December 19 2011 17:34 cascades wrote:
And this was why I emphasize so much on posting cases. That goes for everyone. Now we lost Arc's reads and cases against scum because he was lazy. Granted, it was due to a horrible mistake on Giygas part. Of all the people he gave it to, he gave it to the only person who couldn't use medic role.

Activity should pickup when filters are restored. You really miss it when it's gone.


The pot calling the kettle black. Don't like it.

Also, i'm somewhat curious. Isn't strongly pushing for modkills somewhat scummy play? I could care less if those players are modkilled. But if I was mafia, I could make a case that I would want players modkilled so I didn't have to do it myself. Even if they do get replaced, it's much easier to convince others to vote for them. We've had a large amount of time to pick apart their play. Not in the replacements case. Even as far as VE goes, I couldn't figure him out at all until he suicide killed the Godfather.

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Jitsu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States929 Posts
December 19 2011 18:16 GMT
#1946
Will the Watcher be able to discover if someone is mafia? Sounds like the ultimate rolecheck.
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Jitsu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States929 Posts
December 19 2011 18:17 GMT
#1947
Also, if that is the case, I think Radfield will be the best option. Ensures his safety another night, allows him to heal someone, OR** we catch a mafia. Seems win-win.
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Jitsu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States929 Posts
December 19 2011 18:27 GMT
#1949
Well, if you think we can do so much more with it, what do you suggest? A random watch on a random player? Odds are if we randomly pick someone, Radfield gets lynched anyway, the medic/mayor is gone, and the watcher sees nothing.

We watch Radfield, the Town comes out ahead in all situations. We get the medic/mayor for at least another day, OR we get another mafia member if they hit Radfield.

I can't see any negatives.
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Jitsu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States929 Posts
December 19 2011 18:50 GMT
#1953
We obviously have two roles on one player - Medic and Mayor on Radfield, plus, he's a known vet with strong scum-hunting skills.

Opposed to watching someone else: GiygaS's role is wasted. Whoever is elected to Chief of Police is saved one night. Than the Prankster can be healed by the medic, assuming we have a medic laying low. On top of that, Radfield still has his medic ability since he was role-blocked, and if we can keep Radfield alive another night, it only increases his chance of catching scum.

Now let's say we choose to watch someone else. We have to decide who to watch, first of all. The odds of that player getting hit are drastically less than that of watching Radfield, since he could possibly be the most potent scum-hunter left. (Sorry; don't really know the abilities of the other townies, just the reputation of Rad).

So, I look at it like this.

Scenario 1: We protect Radfield, and have the ability to extend our ability to keep hunting for Scum extremely effectivly, and have a moderate chance of catching a mafia if they try to kill him. We keep all of our power-roles and continue to look for mafia.

Scenario 2: We protect someone else. We have a very small chance to luckily catch a mafia hitting a player not Radfield. We potentially lose a player with two roles on him, as well as a scum-hunter.

Seems pretty obvious Scenario 1 is the way to go, to me at least.
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Jitsu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States929 Posts
December 19 2011 21:13 GMT
#1986
On December 20 2011 06:10 Refallen wrote:
I really disagree about Cascades, I actually have a pretty strong town read on him. Him saying that he would lynch spaakles if first night repeats itself is, imo, not scummish in any way. Rather, it is a townie sentiment, that even though he flipped blue, at that time, he was probably the best lynch available to us.

Also, I don't see how suspecting Radfield = anti-town, as Greymist tried to make a case on.


I suspected Radfield in the very beginning of the game, and GreYMisT tried to make some points on me.

That reminds me. How come whenever Comprissent is pressured, he feels obligated to post, yet when he's not the object of conversation, he doesn't post. Ever.

Hmmmm.
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Jitsu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States929 Posts
December 19 2011 23:15 GMT
#2011
Well, i'm a new one to the lynch GreYMisT train, but I do have this simple question.

Why are you two so buddy-buddy?
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Jitsu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States929 Posts
December 19 2011 23:15 GMT
#2012
@GreY and Sheth, that is.
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Jitsu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States929 Posts
December 19 2011 23:32 GMT
#2021
On December 20 2011 08:21 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 08:15 Jitsu wrote:
Well, i'm a new one to the lynch GreYMisT train, but I do have this simple question.

Why are you two so buddy-buddy?


I don't think hes Mafia so I'm trying to point out if someone isn't using logic when making a case against him. If it was a case based on logic I'd definetly be cool for killing him, but I'm worried atm.


Well, I think Radfield hit on it before. The mafia count right now is 14 Town: 3 Mafia. The Mafia is starting to feel the noose around the neck, so they are doing anything possible to stay alive and keep the noose from getting any tighter.

Now, this is where I sit. I believe that there is a slew of evidence against GreY. I think that he might, in all likelyhood, be a mafia player. My question is why are you doing everything you can to keep people FROM voting for him? This massive mindset of "Vote GreY" is really picking up speed. Why do you think he is innocent? What makes you think he's NOT guilty, to counter why he is guilty?

The noose tightens.
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