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On December 13 2011 10:53 Nisani201 wrote:Alright, I just caught up on the thread. Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 03:08 Spaackle wrote:
For the lurkers in the thread, maybe a couple questions would get some activity:
1. What do you think of the No Pardon, No Exception rule?
2. Give your specific impressions of the campaigns so far, especially the major ones.
Remember, the more you get into the game you're playing, the more fun it is! :D 1. No Pardon should not be carried out until the very late game, where there's probably some weird scenario in which pardoning would be important. However I don't think we need to discuss that now because there are too many possibilities. 2. Radfield seems to be playing pro-town. Palmar is not taking his usual controversial stance that he normally seems to assume. This is not scummy (I even think he said somewhere that he was going to try out a new style) but at this point I trust Radfield a lot more. ##Vote: Radfield (for election)
Hey, what do you think about zeks? Don't you think we can skip pardon policy discussion until like, maybe night time when there's not much else to discuss? We have already spent a day figuring out who to elect, now we kinda need to focus on the lynch, wouldn't you agree?
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On December 13 2011 11:02 evantrees wrote:
We do
Time Cycle:
Currently the deadline is 2200 EST[local]
This game will follow a 48 hour day cycle, 24 hour night cycle.
Hey you seem to be following the thread but not participating too much.
How do you feel about zeks? What do you think about GreYMisT's case on Jitsu?
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On December 13 2011 12:00 MrZentor wrote:Hola! After reading this, I decided to post again. Show nested quote +1. MarserBlood
2. nyczbrandon
8. Refallen
9. Cwave
11. MrZentor
15. evantrees
17. DropBear
23. Nisani201
24. cascades
25. ProfessorBadass (Curu + Erandorr hydra) Because apparently one post isn't enough, here's my second one. :p Anyways, I think we should lynch zeks. He wants to kill the hydra, because it will be "dangerous for the town", but having the hydra only helps town. He is either extremely stupid or he is mafia. Either way, it's best to kill him. I already stated my view on who should be elected and voted for said person.
I'd much rather keep zeks around 'cause at least he's posting and I don't at all think that the case on him is strong enough yet that we can safely call him scum. Instead we could lynch one of those guys who only have two posts, they're impossible to read anyway. What do you think about that plan?
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@risk.nuke
Can you elaborate on that "I think Arctocod is likely mafia"? I don't follow you, you speculate that it's unlikely that they're both town and then you pretty much conclude that Arctocod is likely the one who is mafia? This seems like slander to me.
GiygaS actually posted his weird mayor/pardoner list at a time when there was some confusion about the roles from a lot of people. I think he's shown that he's absolutely willing to play this game and I don't think he's done anything overly scummy, posting lists is a scumtell only when it's instead of some actual content which he has also provided. The guy is active and transparent and the case against him is bad, I don't think there's any reason to lynch him today. I don't know about GreYMisT.
On December 13 2011 15:59 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 15:48 GreYMisT wrote:On December 13 2011 15:43 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:On December 13 2011 12:32 GreYMisT wrote:On December 13 2011 12:18 MrZentor wrote:
On December 13 2011 12:00 MrZentor wrote:
Hola! After reading this, I decided to post again.
Show nested quote +
Because apparently one post isn't enough, here's my second one.
Anyways, I think we should lynch zeks. He wants to kill the hydra, because it will be "dangerous for the town", but having the hydra only helps town. He is either extremely stupid or he is mafia. Either way, it's best to kill him.
I already stated my view on who should be elected and voted for said person.
I'd much rather keep zeks around 'cause at least he's posting and I don't at all think that the case on him is strong enough yet that we can safely call him scum. Instead we could lynch one of those guys who only have two posts, they're impossible to read anyway. What do you think about that plan?
We should lynch some lurkers to keep them active, but I don't think that will get us any mafia, because the mafia will end up shifting the vote to a non mafia lurker. I am just saying that given the current information, it would be best to lynch him. This could easily change with any new information or posts. so you recognize that lynching lurkers won't kill mafia, but you still want to do it anyway? the hell? you misunderstood him. he wants to lynch zeks. this post looks of zentor looks better than his previous one. i think this sounds more like his own thoughts... and if these are his own thoughts, i am willing to believe that the zeks vote might have been his own idea... but i need to talk to you zentor  The concerns i had with his post was he said "we should lynch lurkers, but we won't find mafia there." no. thats not what he intended to say. he said: lynching lurkers keeps everyone active but doesnt kill scum, therefor no.
What do you mean "thats not what he intended to say", how do you know what he intended to say? Why aren't you looking at what he's saying and then asking him questions so he can tell us what he intended to say, instead of just telling everybody what he intended to say when you do not know this? The guy literally said "We should lynch some lurkers [...] but I don't think that will get us any mafia." You are usually all over little things like this, using them to exert pressure but right now you're using your psychic abilities to exonerate him instead.
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@Liquid`Sheth
Hey
When did I ever say that it's better if mafia gets one of those jobs? Can you quote the post please because I can't find it 
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You have overstated your case blatantly.
When you said it is "very important we get these two positions filled up by people who are 100% not mafia", it sounded to me like you would rather have two people who are confirmed townies in office than two proven scum hunters like Radfield and Arctocod, who would be null tells. This makes no sense to me, especially after you used your "imaginary tone" to confirm Radfield, on a post that Radfield himself said was a null tell. There is no "100%" on day1, and even if there was, I would never pick 100% townie who can't reliably read the game over a day1 null tell who has the potential to ravage entire scum teams. Problem?
I have argued that the people in office should be most accomplished scum hunters and I will be voting for them unless I get major scum vibes, and by major I mean major. This is also what just about everybody in this town thinks, so it is very likely the correct approach to elections.
Now you are straight up lying when you say that "[prplhz] thinks its better if Mafia gets one of those jobs". Dude, this is just bad. Only mafia has a reason to lie to discredit somebody, wouldn't you agree? Town would clear matters and minds up, but you just jump to conclusion and then you discredit me and try to get me lynched.
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@Liquid`Sheth Why do you want to lynch me if you don't know if I'm mafia or not Do you still want to lynch me?
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Also, I'm sharing my reads and being active am I not? You don't think you should be lynched because you are sharing your reads and being active but it's okay with me, even though you don't know if I'm mafia or not? This is somewhat off, wouldn't you agree?
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That was a pretty bad analysis. One of the quotes isn't even Liquid`Sheth's and the conclusion is that either he's town or he's scum. Duh.
Other than that, zeks is just rehashing the obvious instead of trying to clarify why he thinks it is coming from a scum mind and not a town mind.
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@Liquid`Sheth Why did you lie? What made you think I had done something which I hadn't? Can you maybe quote some posts and take me through your thought process? I'm quite aware that I can be misunderstood, I'm just wondering if you did it on purpose or by accident.
@Radfield Why isn't Liquid`Sheth scum? You said in the beginning of this game that you wouldn't mind lynching an active player if he was scum, because of KP reasons. Now you are saying that you don't want to lynch him because he's active. I think he came inhere and he really wanted to play this game and he has + Show Spoiler +and I have totally enjoyed it
I think ProfessorBadass would be a bad lynch. If they're still playing DotA2 tomorrow then lets look at them but unless you have a really good case then I think he would be a bad lynch. He hasn't done anything scummy and his single post besides his campaign had some good points I think.
@DEUS-ex-MAFIA Where the hell are you? Why aren't you participating in the discussion, you're usually pretty active but right now you're lurking hardcore. It's almost 23PM in Germany, you can't possibly still be at a meeting, and you wanted lynch discussion, well here it is!
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@Liquid`Sheth
I think it's weird that you can go from thinking "he doesn't mind if elected officials are mafia" to writing "he thinks it's better if they are mafia", I have a hard time following this. Blaming it on your vibe is a bit cheap.
You are again attributing something to me that I didn't say, I never asked "Why is it important that Mayor / Pardoner not be 100% mafia?", I asked "why is important that elected officials are 100% not mafia?" (url). Do you see the very important difference here? Why are you again misquoting me to make it seem like I said something that I didn't say?
I think in spite of your high level of activity, your vibe/tone and your misquoting makes it extremely hard to a lot of sensible content out of you, wouldn't you agree?
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No I am not talking about "mayor/pardoner" and "elected officials" , but it is different to say "not 100% mafia" and "100% not mafia".
"not 100% mafia" means that they are not confirmed scum
"100% not mafia" means that they are confirmed town
I was asking why it was important that elected officials are "confirmed" town, I wasn't asking why it was important that elected officials are not confirmed scum.
I am not pushing anything yet, I am just trying to understand why you wanted to lynch a townie on a bad reasonable achieved using a questionable approach.
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Alright Liquid`Sheth is probably not scum. Lets find somebody else.
I think it's weird that supersoft has disappeared, he wanted people to talk about lynches and he's usually pretty active around these hours and a bit earlier, but today he's just totally disappeared, and we've heard nothing from annul either.
Actually, everybody's disappeared and it's god damn 3 hours before deadline and we don't really have anybody we agree on. Where is everybody?
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I thinks it's pretty weird that deadline is in 2 hours and we are missing 12 votes.
@ProfessorBadass What do you think about Refallen?
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Rofl. This is a dick move towards europeans.
This also means that nyczbrandon is currently looking to become pardoner.
So we need to decide a lynch and I think Nisani201 looks alright, I'd also be willing to vote for Refallen.
@ProfessorBadass What do you think about Refallen?
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ALRIGHT NO MORE POSTING "WHAT THE FUCK" WE NEED TO FIND A LYNCH AND ANOTHER MAYOR CANDIDATE AND WE HAVE 2 HOURS, LESS IF WE WANT EUROPEAN HELP.
For lynch, I like Nisani201, he should know better and he's not going to be missed. I also like Refallen for obvious reasons if you read his filter. Basically he said he'd be active but he isn't, and he's answering silly questions instead of providing original content.
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Also, the same criteria for voting mayor that we used for picking Radfield and Arctocod are still valid. We are voting for the one we think is most likely to get night killed, the one that scum would fear the most if he is town unless of course he is under any sort of suspicion.
@Radfield How would you like ProfessorBadass as your pardoner?
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Town is obviously confused at this and since Arctocod has very likely gone to bed maybe host or cohost can answer some questions? Flavor indicates that Arctocod withdrew himself, is this just flavor or is it true?
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People need to stop voting for people based on day1 reads, we are currently not agreeing on a lynch because no one is obviously scummy, because day1 reads are often very unreliable. We are voting the best player and anybody who is voting for somebody because "he's town" or not voting for somebody because "he's scum" is crazy.
Even though Radfield wanted to lynch him, he never provided a case for why he was scummy so I'm going to vote ProfessorBadass for pardoner.
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HEY GUYS MRZENTOR IS VERY LIKELY NOT SCUM STOP VOTING FOR HIM
Both Radfield and Arctocod says that the lynch is bad and you should listen to those because they're likely the best townies here and they're agreeing. Look at the people on MrZentor right now: Eiii, GreYMisT, Cwave, MarserBlood, TotallyNotTwoPeople, Spaackle, Comprissent. This list isn't very impressive, Eiii got onto the lynch ages ago and GreYMisT, well I have no idea why he's on there really. This guy is very likely to flip town and you should all switch away from him right now.
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