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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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jaj22
United Kingdom1376 Posts
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DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Vatican City State258 Posts
On December 26 2011 08:16 risk.nuke wrote: Yes I would love to hear your cases because what you just wrote is not obvious. It's actually absurd. lol you are funny. How is that absurd? who is scum if these two aren't? | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Vatican City State258 Posts
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Vatican City State258 Posts
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DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Vatican City State258 Posts
lynch me because I told you they were town. You know what, it's useless to write cases. You don't read them, and if you read them, you don't understand them. If I am right i am scum, because noone could know. bwah whatever. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On December 26 2011 07:07 jaj22 wrote: So, questions for Radfield: 1. How hard did you try to persuade Zeks not to shoot Jitsu? 2. Did Zeks have any more vig shots left when he died? 3. If you were happy to let him pick a shot that you disagreed with, why did you choose to PM Zeks when he was near-confirmed town? 1. Not very. I was ok with taking out Jitsu. 2. Nope, he only had the 1 shot left 3. Zeks had alluded that he had some kind of protective action left. If that was the case I wanted to be able to co-ordinate with him. TnTP: I don't get how you can be busy for the holidays, AND have followed what I layed out in post #8. Someone asked me why mafia haven't killed me yet. Presumably there are two reasons. One, my late game reads have obviously been way off, as I haven't been putting the time into this game that I normally do(work + Christmas). Two, given that they double tapped Arcto on N2, last night was their first real chance to kill me. Not sure why they didn't as I still have a medic protect, but so be it. ##Vote: Cascades | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
Because you're captain hindsight after every mislynch acting like this before a lynch + Show Spoiler + ehmmm ehhh don't lynch that person ehmm + Show Spoiler + OMG IDIOTS, I TOLD YOU, DON'T LYNCH HIM, LISTEN TO ME GOD!! You claim other people doesn't put in any effort when you yourself clearly aren't putting up any pro-town effort yourself. Because a few hours ago you seemed to think I was scum and then suddenly out of the blue it's obvious that Casc, Jaj, and TnTp are 2/3 remaining scum without any explaination. And that feels as if you're trying to set up the game to a point where you ride cascade to safety while everyone else is at eachothers throats and you could just kill/lynch them of. Because you've been playing terribly and uselessly and ignored several requests to get it together. If you don't want to be lynched you can start by writing your Jaj and TnTp posts. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
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Refallen
452 Posts
I don't think TnTP is scum, he made a case defending me when He could easily have just pushed me harder and no one would have found that suspicious. That said, voting cascades today. | ||
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Refallen
452 Posts
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TotallyNotTwoPeople
United States160 Posts
Was just leaving your options open for any pressuring you might have wanted to do, but I suppose if I need to spell it out, I will just disclose it to everyone now. Sadly, I did not get any abilities from the election other than the ability to read the 'private' thread given to Radfield that he used to mason Zeks. Radield, I was hoping that after I answered Zeks regarding the extent of my abilities, you would protect elsewhere considering this logic no longer held: "yeah i think we just need to keep tntp alive for this cycle so we get results of the check" @Deus: + Show Spoiler + On December 21 2011 06:36 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: okay, who do we lynch? 1. Cascades 2. nyczbrandon 3. Comprissent i favor the lynchcandidates in this order. Complain about removing nycz from the choices: On December 21 2011 07:02 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: Announcement: we don't lynch nyczbrandon today!!! You may chose between Cascades and Comprissent I don't know why you guys do that! There is nothing favouring nyczbrandon over the other two players. :-( I list nycz as likely to be town, you list him as 3rd best option for flipping scum, then complain: On December 21 2011 13:28 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: NO, IT WAS ME!!!!!!!!!!!!! I WANTED YOU TO GET YOUR VOTES OFF NCBLABLABLA fuck!!! tomorrow we lynch cascades!!! I knew it!!! fuck!!! and ncyblabla was my weakest scumread!!! I didn't want to lynch him... Damn Radfield :-D Cascades is the shit! I should have pushed for his lynch so much stronger :-( You have no right to complain if you don't actually spell out your reads at all, and you certainly have no right to complain about your third best scum read out of 16 flipping green and yelling at anyone that thought he was scum. Especially considering that list was when there were still 3 scum left. Also, if you didn't want Jitsu dead, maybe you should have bothered answering questions regarding him, rather than waiting until he got shot to start bitching? On December 22 2011 07:22 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: @Deus Can you please explain your town read on Jitsu? I am just not seeing it. On December 24 2011 03:23 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote: @Deus What's your opinion of Jitsu currently? If you ignore me and my questions, then don't expect me to give a fuck about what you say. Also, questions for TNTP: 1. How hard did Radfield try to persuade Zeks not to shoot Jitsu? 2. Was there anything in the Zeks/Radfield chat that made you so sure that Radfield is town? HoD: Don't make the same mistake that you made in Newbie Mini Mafia. 1: As he already mentioned, he did not push it very hard, but he did state that his preference was cascades. 2: I trust Greymist the most, but no one completely. Given that Zeks flipped town, I don't know what you would expect to be particularly revealing of alignment in the private thread? Do you have reason to believe that he is scum? If so, I would be interested to hear the case. I've heard he has led the town as scum before, so I suppose it is not out of the realm of possibilities, but it is certainly not my foremost concern. | ||
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jaj22
United Kingdom1376 Posts
On December 26 2011 09:14 Radfield wrote: 3. Zeks had alluded that he had some kind of protective action left. If that was the case I wanted to be able to co-ordinate with him. That doesn't make much sense, as Zeks would almost certainly have used any protective action on you anyway. Also, once you discovered that Zeks had no protective action, the obvious response would be to get TNTP to "remind" the scum that he did. Note that this is another possible reason that you're still alive. Maybe I'm reading too much into this. I thought the conventional wisdom was that the PM power was a really good way to tell if someone's scum. If that's not true, then PMing Zeks makes sense. Given the conclusion at the end of this post, the question no longer matters anyway. Anyway, I was considering writing up a case on you based on your actions being consistently pro-scum and none of your posts being unreasonable for a smart scum player, but then on second read I spotted these posts: On December 15 2011 03:00 Radfield wrote: I agree completely on dropbear. He would be my number 1 target for a vig hit tonight. On December 15 2011 03:14 Radfield wrote: Why do you think Dropbear is town? Why do you think he is going to be an asset to town this game? So far his play has been very lacking. You're right that it probably doesn't make sense for vigilantes to shoot tonight though. If you only have one bullet, and are not likely to get shot, it makes sense to save it for Night 2 or 3. However, if you have multiple bullets or have to shoot, he is a good target. Mainly though I just wanted to see what syllo had to say. I expected him to say Dropbear, and I'm glad he did. This is totally implausible scum play on risk/reward unless you've somehow figured that there are almost certainly no vigs in a unique game. So I'm now >99% convinced that Radfield is town. | ||
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
That's okay, my only case remains on Deus. While of course I would prefer the lynch order to be the other way round, if it requires you guys to lynch me first to get him lynched, so be it. I'm as scum as he is town. Don't let him escape. THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On December 27 2011 00:31 cascades wrote: Well I see Deus has managed to successfully guilt trip you guys into voting me without a case. Town credit too good. That's okay, my only case remains on Deus. While of course I would prefer the lynch order to be the other way round, if it requires you guys to lynch me first to get him lynched, so be it. I'm as scum as he is town. Don't let him escape. THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE. are you even going to try to defend yourself? | ||
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DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Vatican City State258 Posts
4. DEUS-ex-MAFIA I am the greenest guy in this town. If you don't see it and accuse me for having the right feeling towards everyone who died the past few days. Ok. I can't argue against your idea of "I am the smartest, if he knows better he's scum". 3. GreYMisT medicclaim. Ok. Pretty useless aside from his blue power. 19. Radfield was wrong in the past, it's no problem to be wrong. There are a lot of things that make him town. I won't list them all. He played a pretty good game so far. 6. TotallyNotTwoPeople I always commentated on his gameplay and I don't need to reread this guy to post my opinion here. I think his role is scummy - no question there. But if he is scum, that role is stupid to claim. You have to worry that some townie also has this role and you have to trade 1n1. This is no wifoming btw.: If he's scum, claiming this role is highest risk and stupid. 8. Refallen phew I got to filter this guy: (I read his filter after reading risks filter, read my things on risk first) accuses sheth very early on "^^ good point by deus do not double lynch!!" wohoo he's thinking! "I really disagree about Cascades, I actually have a pretty strong town read on him. Him saying that he would lynch spaakles if first night repeats itself is, imo, not scummish in any way. Rather, it is a townie sentiment, that even though he flipped blue, at that time, he was probably the best lynch available to us. Also, I don't see how suspecting Radfield = anti-town, as Greymist tried to make a case on." if you read this refallen, could you please rephrase this and post some additional stuff to back up your concerns. I know this post is old, but the case on cascades is old aswell. "Why is cascades suddenly a prime target for lynching? I really think he's town." (he's accusing sheth all the time between these quotes) "Honestly cascades, I thought you were a townie all the way. Except for the fact that Sheth was trying so hard not to vote for you. You say he could have easily jumped on the comprissent bandwagon and probably that's true, but maybe he didn't want to be seen as bandwagoning and thus Mafia? Also, I know Radfield is seen widely as most probably town, but has there been any thought in electing Zeks and another blue who has roleclaimed? (wait, are there any eligible for voting this cycle?)" - Ah!!! I like this post. This is townlogic. You my friend go up on my list very very fast if cascades flips red :-D "deus, no I don't. I just think jitsu is being really suspicious now, especially with his last few posts (leaving a vote on me because discussion has died down? totally ignoring TnTP's points on me too, btw.) I'm not DT. I just think jitsu>cascades in scumniness right now, though definitely cascades will be a good shot too." ok. I believe you. I ranked you above risk after reading your filter. I might rank you above tntp though... + Show Spoiler + okay, I just went to the toilet and I realized, his sudden change of mind towards cascades may be the consequence of the growing pressure on casc. 12. risk.nuke completely useless the whole game long: I'm rereading his filter while i write this post: "I never said I liked Rafields plan" into "I never said there is something wrong with it either" into "Deus. what you said was an inch from basicly twisting that into claiming I said something is wrong with Radfields plan. FoS" "Todays lynches I would like one of these two. Graymist and GiygaS. Though there is a dilemma. I am more sure on Graymist then on Giygas and we'll learn more from Graymists flip then Giygas. Against Graymist probably beeing a more valuable townie then Giygas." huh? you realize that you're talking without any substance? He's scum but if he's town, he's good, or not, or scum... "I dropped supersoft because I got a townread on his responses, sure they were idiotic but they were idiotic townie responses." funny that someone calls me an idiot who is wrong all game long. (I am thinking that he's scum right now, while I post this. Hopefully I am going to read something in the near future that makes him look better) "Sorry I was at the gym." Oh okay, so you missed the whole discussion about you that was going on and you don't drop a single word about this discussion. Cool. "No, come on if he's town I would feel so bad. He comes to play mafia and we lynch him day 1." ah lol, this is about sheth. SHARP REASONING BRO! "Zentor you're an idiot." is the response to: Zentor: "Can you give me a legitimate reason to not lynch Seth?" - the followong dialogue between risk and curu makes him look a little bit better - I am looking if I can find something artificial about that discussion. It seems to be ok though... This however is pretty silly: "Why dropbear. He's a good player, and I don't think he is scum. He will likely prove his worth if he lives." (Risk wants medicprotect for himself and DB... lol.) "You should be happy I call you idiot and don't just ignore you." (to VE) such a nice guy this risk. "Radfield could be mafia. Just saying. He played a terrible towngame last night, and if both arctocod and radfield were town why did mafia choose arctocod and not radfield who at the time looked more town then arcto." strange logic etc. "I approve with lynching The Professor today. Still want greymist dead." - finally after it was already decided that curu will die. pfff. Okay I finished reading him now. He's getting angrier at the end. Somehow he thinks that he's confirmed town. Conclusion, if he's scum, he's not scum along with cascades. His scumpartner would very likely be MarserBlood, (maybe refallen or (not equally likely tntp)) since he never really talked about this guy 1. MarserBlood // jaj21 + Show Spoiler + okay, first of all, the following players are obviously the ones left. I think I made my townreads on everyone else pretty clear. "I can't believe Arcto lost the elections. I think it must be Mafia play, because they are scared of him in office." hahaha okay. How do you know that? (sadly he cannot answer me this because he was replaced) defending risk! there we go! (scumteam risk/marserjaj ftw) "@Deus: Had a look through your filter, and your day 2 defense of Curu/ProfBA is totally baffling to me. During night 1, you claim that Curu is the scummiest of the veterans/hydras and explain the logic behind lynching him. Then on day 2, you defend him strongly on the basis that lynching him will harm town atmosphere, while still claiming that he's almost certainly scum. The evidence of this game and the one you linked suggests that he harms town atmosphere a lot more when alive than dead. Then on night 2, you're back to explaining exactly why it was a logical lynch. Really?" into "@Deus: I don't think I'll ever be happy with your explanation but your list looks solid so let's roll with it for the moment. Electing you as police chief rather than prankster is zero-risk anyway." cool. He's electing me despite he accused me since he joined the game. thank you. "Nah, that'd make no sense given that most people have a town read on him. huh change of mind. okay..." + Show Spoiler + On December 23 2011 05:05 jaj22 wrote: Ok, gone through Sheth's filter again using a pretty lame pattern-spotting technique. Basically I mark positive comments (praise, defence, positive analysis) as a plus and negative comments (calling for attention, attacks, negative analysis) as a minus. It looks better in fixedsys. In order of appearance: + Show Spoiler + Radfield+++- Greymist++++++ Arctocod----- prplhz----- Deus+++++++--- risk---+--+ ProfBA--++----V DropBear- xsksc-- zentor----- zeks--------++- Nisani/VE+-- Refallen---- Eiii-- Spaackle+--V Cascades--------- Comprissent---- Evantrees---- Giygas------- Marserblood/jaj22------ TNTP+- nyczbrandon+---V Cwave-+ Jitsu-- A lot of the minus-heavy lines aren't as similar as they look here, so they're pretty misleading. He presses prplhz, Zeks, Zentor and Giygas in a relatively concentrated manner, while the others are mostly "clean up these lurkers" spamreads and shouldn't be treated equivalently. Other general patterns: 1. If he presses anyone hard, they flip town. 2. He's not afraid to criticise scumbuddies a bit. 3. If veterans say stuff that he likes, he praises them. TNTP and Cwave get off very lightly, while Jitsu is a very late addition to his day/night 3 spamreads. He buddies up consistently with Deus until night 3. There's likely to have been some distancing in his day/night 3 posting, but it's so scattershot that it doesn't narrow anything down. Other than that I'm not seeing much of use here. somehow I like that post. But it's a nulltell... "Reasons to lynch Cascades: Posting is almost all defensive and/or veteran-hate. Also I still think this is a scumslip: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12795425 " hmmmm I am starting to like that guys posts... well. Let's see. 24. cascades Yeah well. I read his filter three times now. It contains only useless shit. recently he accuses me for no reason (together with risk.nuke) and I am tired. ___________ conclusion: Risk is looking worse after I posted this compared to my opinion before I wrote this. jaj21 doesn't look too bad. Refallen doesn't look too bad, I am struggeling with him. Maybe he's cascades scumbuddy... Well. A lot depends on cascades flip. I am willing to discuss the possibilities. But I don't want to deal with stupid accuses and insults. | ||
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DEUS-ex-MAFIA
Vatican City State258 Posts
However jaj is more likely risks scumbuddy. You know what I mean :-D | ||
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