"Extended Majority Lynch" = ?
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that doesnt stop anyone from popcorn posting though and as long as it doesnt contain game info, no harm in it. this is a community of trolls after all | ||
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i dont know what a "colour" is gtfo limey bastid | ||
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On December 04 2011 19:38 Palmar wrote: What I'm more interested in is that 6/25 seems like an oddly high number of mafia for a normal setup. Do you think this is offset by lower mafia KP or multiple town power roles? it was 5/20 before he extended it (1 red = 3 town) and then he made it 6/25 (1 red for 4 town) due to the demand. so the game was even more red heavy before this. so either the red team is stacked weak with noobs or there are a lot of blues | ||
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On December 04 2011 21:15 Radfield wrote: Other than starting discussion, I think RNG has very little value. yeah... RNG: 2 ##Vote prplhz wat | ||
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On December 05 2011 00:21 Radfield wrote: but it was a way to organize blue roles like detectives and medics by directing them either into or away from the zodiac list. this is retarded as fuck nobody direct power roles into any list. | ||
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On December 05 2011 00:31 Jackal58 wrote: Using those rankings you determine who the scum team is by who is getting night killed. Strong players on the list should be dead by day 3 or so. If they're not they're scum. yeah and this is the logical conclusion to draw from what a list like that does and this is similarly horrible if the hosts didnt fuck up id have been alive day 3 in 47 and i am a strong player. you know they have medics in games right? also if red knows youre gonna lynch people for being alive and being skilled then it becomes a wifom circle "did they leave him alive on purpose so we lynch him and hes a green?" or "is he a red" etc there is no point | ||
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On December 05 2011 00:39 Drazerk wrote: I dislike randomly voting people at the start of day to spark discussion as it just allows the person to do a blind omgus rather than focusing on everyone. pressuring someone = they give information up and/or red team comes to defend them = good for us random voting with intent to rescind vote = fine for this purpose. random voting period = horrible | ||
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On December 05 2011 00:44 annul wrote: so either the red team is stacked weak with noobs or there are a lot of blues 13 minutes later On December 05 2011 00:57 TruthBringer wrote: People are saying 6/25 is high, but it is probably offset by the town having powerful blues or quite a few blues. why thank you sir for parroting <3 | ||
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i am saying funneling blues into some list is retarded. | ||
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no theyre not. in fact... "Given the recent success rate of TL medics" in 47 medics were ridiculously on target and that game was a massive clusterfuck AND they didn't heal into some list. the lists have absolutely no purpose. if a medic wants to heal into someone that would otherwise be on the list then they will do this regardless, and it is better not to give info like this to the reds. "A strong player surviving until day 3 is just one of the things that should be taken into account when determining his alignment." no lol. see: previous paragraph | ||
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cybercheese healed me but the hosts fucked that up | ||
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whoaaaaaaaaaa what | ||
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On December 05 2011 01:52 prplhz wrote: It might be early but I fail to see how it's a claim (and it isn't). "Just want to sit around and wait for power roles to do OUR job" | ||
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in case it wasnt also blatantly obvious to every player, it needs to be highlighted, since nobody is going to be signaling to a clueless town player that this was a "blueslip" (as in "scumslip" but for being blue) in the same way that a clueless red player can be signaled to it by a non clueless red teammate. people NEED to be aware that he blueslipped there. it changes everything. | ||
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hes probably phone reading and posting which is suboptimal | ||
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On December 05 2011 07:32 vaderseven wrote: What do you think about some of the players positions or contributions Annul (spefically the redFF/Palmar situation, Corrupt, and Radfield). still waiting for palmar to return from sleepland before judging further. but right now it looks like a bunch of nothing. ask me near the end of day 1 what i think if you are still curious because [something i wont mention to not give people ideas] might happen and if it does, it probably will change my mind. but for now it all seems ok to me. hm, you know, i answer this question in order... so when i look at corrupt's filter and i see this gem, i begin to wonder maybe i am wrong above about redff: On December 05 2011 02:56 Corrupt wrote: This is not going to be easy... so many suspicious people already. On December 05 2011 04:22 Corrupt wrote: I pictured TruthBringer as one of the good guys, so I'm being suspicious about prplhz.. On December 05 2011 04:26 redFF wrote: you said "so many suspicious people already" yet you now say you are only suspicious of prplz? note nowhere did corrupt say he was ONLY suspicious of prplhz. he said he was suspicious of him. perfectly consistent with his first post. redff then severely mischaracterizes what corrupt says. interesting. its corrupts first game and he is so noob that he thinks redff nailed him or that he did something wrong, when the only thing he did wrong was not attack redff for fallacious argumentation. of course pure noobs can be red too but i mean right now he just looks like a pure noob acting like a pure noob. as for radfield, although i <3 people who defend me (of course), the shit he does makes sense in a red framework. his filter is full of "hey X player, what do you think of Y?" which is great until you realize he isnt taking positions at all, only trying to get other people to take positions. his strategical posts make no sense to me, either. if hes red then it makes sense to read his no lynch story as being like "i wonder if this will stick to the wall" and he throws it up.... if it sticks, awesome for him; if not, he can just say "im only asking a strategy question guys calm down" etc so im not saying hes red but a light FOS is in order, for sure; his actions fit a red framework. | ||
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but the ratio of "hey X, Y?" to "i think Z" is very high | ||
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##vote drazerk | ||
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##vote soap | ||
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but this is wifom in purest form | ||
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as for scum motivations... who the fuck knows? "i bet i can get away with this because nobody would expect it" i wouldnt do a move like that | ||
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##unvote consider now a vote on radfield. he has 3 pages of posts right now and almost all of them are either him playing poorly ("RNG sucks. therefore RNG vote on prplhz!") or him trying to elicit answers from other players and providing very little of his own. i mean recently i see him say things like "corrupt isn't good enough of a kill target for a lynch but we should waste vigs on him though!" ... does this make any sense? its like set up for him to be able to take both sides of the shit and whatever alignment corrupt flips into he has a way out of it and an air of supporting his death. equivocation = red. passivity = red. | ||
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On December 06 2011 01:13 Palmar wrote: I think you're bullshitting. i say the same to you lol | ||
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if either of you are actually day vigs youre all fucking retarded for doing this. and since i doubt you are both this collectively stupid i have to assume this is an elaborate troll. | ||
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On December 06 2011 01:54 redFF wrote: that was fucking stupid. | ||
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if youre serious that was retarded | ||
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if soap actually flips anything nonred i'm instavoting palmar and not unvoting | ||
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On December 06 2011 03:02 vaderseven wrote: Is it really not instant modkill to post a fake day action here? Trust me that iceould never fake that. Someone get the mod here! I want to see this flip. yes, it is really not instant modkill | ||
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jester softclaim right here | ||
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hey to be fair until THIS post of yours you pretty much did the same thing all game | ||
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##vote palmar | ||
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On December 06 2011 06:19 Palmar wrote: Not a single one out of the people that actually try to play mafia with any kind of brain activity are trying to get me killed. i am trying to get you killed + Show Spoiler + (also inb4 "i said brain activity" etc.) | ||
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On December 06 2011 06:25 sandroba wrote: Honestly I'd rather we no lynch today. I don't think killing Palmar is the solution, especially since no one is really defending him and he doesn't seem to give a shit. I can't really find someone that I feel has a better than random chance of flipping scum. I'm open to sugestions though. what the fuck when palmar flips red you're next | ||
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the only good lynch "for today" is palmar. | ||
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On December 06 2011 08:23 supersoft wrote: if she's a real girl, thats not a scumtell. Sorry folks. Girls contradict themselves all the time. bahahahahah | ||
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i just got home from florida civil procedure 4.5 hour final exam. my brain hurts. i dont want to think. someone tell me what is going on as of like 10 pm yesterday until now cuz i dont wanna bother reading | ||
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and yes. | ||
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though your obvious ad hominem insult doesnt go unnoted | ||
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i glanced and skimmed over what went on (i READ the game up to that point) but did not put any actual thought into it really, nor came up with a way to write what i would have thought had i did. i had the time and the will to F5 every now and again while sitting in the library studying. i did not have the time to do anything else, including serious analysis. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + that is all. =D | ||
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On December 07 2011 08:33 kingjames01 wrote: Congrats on writing your final! How do you feel it went? A summary of major events occurring between approximately 10 pm EST and now:
Here are some of my thoughts before I post an in-depth analysis on specific players: Hier flipping Vanilla Town - Discussion on the motivation and timeline of vaderseven shooting Soap - A simple question: is it normal that the kill order be posted in the thread and not required to be in a PM to the mods? Talking at night: If you have something important to share with the Town then you better get it into the thread. If you die we'll have more information from your flip and posts than if you took your secrets to the grave with you. i am very confident in this final. =D 17 questions, and when i walked out, i honestly felt i got 17/17 correct. i had citations for all my answers and i think i did very well. of course, sometimes its the tests you think you destroyed that you end up doing worst on, but i really think i did well this time. also thank you for being the only person to do as requested. | ||
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On December 07 2011 07:55 sandroba wrote: @Annul Can you please point me to a game where you lasted a bit as scum, I'm in a mood to read right now. haunted mafia - october 2010 - doctorhelvetica hosting. | ||
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ok so reds have 3 kp then | ||
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On December 07 2011 21:46 kingjames01 wrote: annul, what do you mean, you "asked"? Did you ask the mods how you were saved? Is that what you meant? wbg: "you took a hit tonight" me: "does this mean a medic saved me?" wbg: "yes" | ||
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why the fuck is palmar of all people leading a wagon on ME of all people? did you all forget the shit he pulled yesterday? letting palmar run shit = outed jack and a dead green for what its worth reds may not actually get 3 KP -- i logically deduced this because A. who the fuck would shoot me night 1, and B. night vigs usually dont get to shoot night 1. yes i now see syllo's flip and i know they can but they usually cant. yeah syllo was on my ass all of night 1 so he probably did, but i didnt even think it was possible to do until i checked the OP i find it funny that palmar keeps with the omgus trend and thinks "oh my god, annul told town to cool off in 47 and he isnt doing it now, he must be red, GET HIM" yeah in 47 you were MAYOR, thats why i pulled everyone off you. 6 votes in an instawagon because.... i claimed the truth, that i got shot, immediately upon seeing the PM? which not a single red player would ever do? against all the shit palmar did day 1 and his logical failures day 2? LOLOLOL the medic who saved me needs to shut the fuck up and not claim. whoever said "ill keep on annul until you claim" needs to be looked at really hard | ||
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On December 08 2011 01:52 Mattchew wrote: PALMAR, V7, REDFF ERAN AND ANNUL You all seem very scummy to me. yeah because this is obviously the most likely scenario, that if we were all red, we would all be collectively circle bussing each other zzz | ||
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lol flawless logic here folks | ||
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On December 08 2011 05:25 sandroba wrote: If you are medic and protected annul please claim right now so we can lynch both of you. Have a good day. dont do this | ||
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considering we both were gonna die if not for the medic id imagine the medic made just as great a decision apparently saving someone from death is "incredibly dumb" good to know tell me... "Annul looks really bad after the hit, has played like scummy shit" what do YOU think i did that makes me red? not "i got shot and claimed it OMG RED GET HIM" and not "syllo thinks so" and not "palmar says so" what do YOU think? | ||
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On December 08 2011 13:29 sandroba wrote: @Radfield I've read annul's game as scum and honestly his bevaiour is quite similar when he is both town and scum. So let me ask you a question: What can you assume about the setup given the new information we have been presented with so far? lol if my behavior is the same then how can you tell what i am? oh snap did i just drop a logic bomb on your ass? | ||
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maybe you just dont speak english or understand ambiguity in pronouns, i dunno. pretty sure we established what exactly i saw and pretty sure the other alternative interpretation was brought forward. pretty sure we dropped it a while ago. so there goes the first half of your "case" lol "What the shit is a blueslip, there is no such thing." i explained it, if you actually read my filter i said a while ago that it was analogous to a scumslip. "What has Soap's alignment to do with me? I called him my homeboy, so if I'm right I must be scum?" it has to do with you forcing a jack to blow his wad for absolutely no reason. really dumb move. "He hasn't even pushed a case against me today." you are right about this. it would be so easy, too. at one point it was 5-4 me:you (5-5 if i voted). and i didnt act like a complete anti-town tard on day 1. i could have you lynched so easily. the time when i actually decide to go all out logic and debate on someone they never recover. "annul claimed to have been saved by a medic, from a shot I am all but certain was fired by syllogism, " this has what exactly to do with my alignment? like the bottom line is palmar has a maaaaaaaaaaaassively strong meta to blindly OMGUS anyone who pressures him for any reason. of course now is no different. | ||
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again, dont do this. | ||
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uh i know im not a vet and so i ASKED the mods what happened and was confirmed a medic saved me but obviously i cant post this PM chain | ||
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i am studying for and taking final exams. i promise you all that i am the most active player who plays when he is taking graduate school final exams that you will ever find ever. lets see whats going on here... palmar OMGUSes me hardcore when he has behaved completely anti-town the entire time. his case is rooted in deep logical flaws. the wagon itself (specifically, supporters' reasons for jumping on) are rooted in horrifically bad logic (if any at all). does palmar have history of this shit? yeeeeeeep. every single game he plays. "i'm awesome and i'm almost always right" you haven't been right yet once in any of the last few games ive seen you play. not once. lol. | ||
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On December 09 2011 05:20 Mattchew wrote: annul, say you do get lynched (looking more and more likely) whats your scum list if you flip town? if i have majority at the deadline i will have a big post ready to go. for obvious reasons i dont post it right now. but i am sure that i wont have majority because the town is smarter than this. so right now my target is palmar. any reads i have on anyone else are irrelevant unless it is a certainty the palmar train doesn't roll. i've been on him since day 1. | ||
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i am saying that when i convince i am a horrible lynch, go back onto palmar. | ||
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On December 09 2011 05:37 TruthBringer wrote: The way I see it, Erandorr is most likely to be mafia. why | ||
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and no, you will get my big post if my death is imminent. you will see why when the time comes. | ||
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On December 09 2011 05:52 Drazerk wrote: Just post it now doing what you are doing now is going to make everyone want to lynch you more causing an imminent death regardless says the "roleblock immune medic who must claim night 1" who doesn't wait until 1 minute before day 2 begins yeah ok dude | ||
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for the meanwhile, someone still needs to explain why erandorr is "most likely red" for me. post a case or some such shit | ||
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yeeeeeep thats pretty bad id rather take down the figurehead though | ||
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On December 09 2011 09:01 annul wrote: radfield: who is MOST town in your eyes? | ||
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lol ##vote palmar | ||
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youll see soon enough | ||
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VE same question | ||
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IF YOU ARE HERE AND ACTIVE IT IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU ANSWER MY LAST FEW QUESTIONS PLEASE namely, 1. who do you think is MOST town; 2. do you think toad is town/mafia? | ||
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toad, are you here? | ||
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im another jack. i have four powers, two of which are relevant to the day time. i can day vig someone and i can mason with someone for one full cycle. which power do you want me to use and on whom? | ||
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already vetoed by the mods | ||
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day vig or mason are my two powers i can use right now, and whichever toad pics i will use on whoever he wants. | ||
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On December 09 2011 10:19 Toadesstern wrote: Ok to make this clear. I would LOVE to shoot drazerk or erandorr. To be honest mostly drazerk but I don't think that will prove a thing because the majority is not thinking so as well. I'd say prplhz is the biggest consensus (looked that word up in a dictionary, sounds fancy). I think he's scummy as hell and a lot of people think so as well. SOOO, shot that guy right in his face or die yourself. so you want me to shoot prplhz? | ||
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at least now you see im not bullshitting. get off of me; i have more useful things to do for future cycles. | ||
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On December 09 2011 10:31 vaderseven wrote: ok, sorry was in a game of hon. I can confirm that anul is telling the turth. this is why i told you to pay attention to what was going on lol you have the same powers i do, yes? | ||
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On December 09 2011 10:32 Palmar wrote: No, that's retarded. If you were town, you'd have had the balls to call your shot yourself, the best way to prove yourself town is to shoot mafia, they should be glaringly obvious by now. Why didn't you shoot me? I'm your number one scumread am I not? because if i shoot you that says nothing about me whatsoever? but if i give power to the most town person that has consensus, then theres a chance i kill one of your partners AND i survive the day | ||
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On December 09 2011 10:53 Radfield wrote: Annul what action did you use last night? i didnt. | ||
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for seemingly obvious reasons i will do no such thing | ||
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why would you say what our restriction is? "yes it does" was sufficient. =( | ||
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1. palmar plays like a complete retard day 1 2. i call him out for this shit, starting on day 1 3. day 2 comes and PALMAR, in true fashion, does the OMGUS that he does every fucking game, on me this time. 4a. i defend it as best i can. . . 4b. . . . until i realize i cant stop it, so i have to claim. | ||
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On December 09 2011 11:45 vaderseven wrote: Did you catch what I did annul? yes. and i know why you did it, but i disagree with it. | ||
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On December 09 2011 11:51 vaderseven wrote: No, read my filter annul. If you cant subtlely prove you caught the problem with what I said then you are a liar. and now everyone on the red team will look at this post and my next few posts and try to find the breadcrumb. be smarter than that. lets just say it has to do with our night powers in some capacity. | ||
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v7 that actually makes a lot of sense. maybe palmar isnt red after all | ||
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no lynch >>>>>>>>>>> town lynch | ||
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##vote redff for the time being. i might unvote at the last minute. | ||
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its because modkills break the game, so theres no need to blow the game up for stupid reasons like being too thin-skinned. cheating? sure. inactivity? sure. but being too aggressive? grow some nuts imo | ||
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On December 10 2011 22:09 Refallen wrote: Another thing to consider is that considering how hard palmar has been pushing for annul's lynch, palmar being targeted last night makes it more likely that annul is mafia, as if he was town I would think mafia would have left palmar alive for the hope of getting a mis-lynch. | ||
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On December 10 2011 23:51 Zephirdd wrote: (question: does his JOAT role have the ability of self protection?) (answer: yes.) On December 10 2011 23:51 Zephirdd wrote: I also feel so pro to have made that breadcrumb with this specific objective on my first post ^_^ heres the thing: now that i think about it... zeph isn't necessarily confirmed town or parity cop at all. he "checked" radfield (conveniently... why radfield?) and then palmar... it is possible zeph and palmar are both red. possible. it is also possible zeph is red and knows palmar is green and is playing for town cred too. | ||
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and the "lol i am not smart enough" defense.... you go there? its closed setup so who knows whats out there? it would make sense | ||
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the great thing about your breadcrumb for parity cop (instead of regular cop or anything else) is that it says nothing unless you tell us it says something. so you can plant that seed for all of the game and never point it out to us until the time is right. nobody will see it and say "HEY, HE BREADCRUMBED PARITY COP.... and he is claiming something else, or claiming green... lynch!" because of how obscure a breadcrumb it is. there is zero risk. so yeah i could see you doing that. mind you i am not saying you are red (i dont know yet), only saying we should not say "palmar is CONFIRMED" or "zeph is CONFIRMED" | ||
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many ways to go from here. | ||
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On December 11 2011 04:47 vaderseven wrote: Ugh. Annul, you are squirming. Is it day or night. Super important. It IS specific. "one entire day/night cycle" | ||
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yesterday i could sit on my ass wiknowing that i had the card in my pocket to pull out if i needed to to survive. today what else is there for me to do? now i HAVE to try to survive. | ||
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nothing you said breaks any rules whatsoever. "be specific about the ability you claim to have" is not at all violating any rule. you can say "my role PM says X" and as long as you do not actually post the PM or screenshot or something, you are fine. in any case, any more traps or tricks you wanna throw my way before you realize im not lying? | ||
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i liked the refallen wagon from yesterday. so either he or drazerk probably. there is still another medic out there who saved me if neither of them will claim to have saved me night 1. JOAT has (something) that protects us at night but it was not used night 1, i asked and was told very specifically it was a medic save. so there is a third medic out there which means its highly likely one of these two is lying. | ||
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i am voting drazerk. if you look at his filter for like all of day 1 he goes NUTTTTTTSSSSS hard on palmar. pushing him even more than i did. and then out of nowhere day 2 he stops and switches gears. he says he medic saved sandroba night 2 (???) who is doing absolutely nothing but popping in with one liners against me and going afk for another 24 hours... what a safe claim to make by someone who wont likely see it to counterclaim or care, since sandroba has been tunneling me and sheeping palmar from the get go... you have great things like this: On December 06 2011 02:49 Drazerk wrote: Shoot Palmar Lynch V7 Win On December 06 2011 03:48 Drazerk wrote: What is wrong with the Palmar / V7 candidates? and then out of nowhere On December 06 2011 05:38 Drazerk wrote: Also I now think V7 is town despite his stupidity and his mind changed so hard that... On December 07 2011 17:28 Drazerk wrote: I protected V7 the same shit happened with palmar... his entire filter from day 1 is pushing palmar in some capacity and then OUT OF NOWHERE, you get this: On December 07 2011 18:13 Drazerk wrote: Oh yeah. I changed my mind. I made a mistake yesterday and I am not repeating it. then you get onto me. and push me hardcore. i think you try to find the easy wagon and jump on it. i also do not think you are a medic. i doubted your claim from the beginning. i know either 1. there are three medics (almost certainly not true) or 2. you or refallen is lying. it's probably you, since at least he claimed to save palmar and palmar says he took a hit (i think?). ##vote drazerk | ||
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i have never seen you before. maybe 47 but i try to forget that game. this is the first time. i do not care about your meta. i see what you do in this game. in this game you are the kill today. | ||
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palmar "OMG NO WAY THERE ARE TWO JACKS" tunnels me... and when a "third" (second) medic claims, disproving drazerk, it's fine, its okay. | ||
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and he uses the fact hes medic as ammo to disprove my claim (which is now corroborated; btw that was stupid to come out toad ;\) but when the illusion crashes down its all okay? and yet i am the kill target... for what? like honestly repost the case you have against me palmar, i dont even know what it is at this point. its almost like you are trying to create some memetic identity here "YEP, LETS KILL ANNUL TODAY" for no real reason just because you failed in your tunneling the last time | ||
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see the difference in this game is the following: there isnt a single post in my entire filter that anyone can point to that contains any lies, whatsoever. every single thing ive said so far has been the truth. every claim i have made has been the truth. all of the pressure i have put onto people has been founded in logic and truth. we have people blaaaaaaaatantly lying and -- until now i hope -- getting away with it. i do not agree with LAL in general but when the lies serve their own interests and are so convenient, it's almost certainly because they are red. it is a great powerful shield to hide behind as a red to just say "yeah im just a dumb townie." if it looks red, it's red. occam's razor it up people. the obvious play today is to unvote annul if you are on me and to vote drazerk. | ||
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On December 11 2011 13:57 bumatlarge wrote: Annul's present play is very transparent. Obviously this lynch is very important, since scum will have na uphill climb if we lynch scum tonight with palmar zeph and toad (three people I'm fairly confident are not scum) still alive. Drazerk lynch or bust is very obvious you mean to tell me that my play only makes sense if i were red? you dont think that a blue under constant pressure for two days straight should try to defend himself? lol of course this lynch is important... because im blue and town shouldnt lynch a blue. is that all you see, that i am trying to get a lynch on an actual red instead of myself? | ||
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On December 11 2011 19:10 bumatlarge wrote: I think you're too smart to jump on drazerk for being stupid. lol what a horrible rationale I don't think drazerk is red at least this is something. so you agree with the meme that he is just a dumb player and when he does obviously red things, just chalk it up to him being dumb? interesting. | ||
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On December 09 2011 20:09 Palmar wrote: Annul gave his shot to a townie who had been very, very open about his read on Erandorr as scum. Annul probably counted on Toad being terrible enough to only aim the gun at Errandor, but because prplhz was town too, Annul ran with it. Does anyone with half a brain actually think that town annul would not pick his target himself? Notice he did not even consider prplhz's alignment. Annul hasn't accused prplhz all game, he was completely fine with killing prplhz at random. At this point, I asked annul why he didn't just shoot me? After all, he has been pushing for my death since day 1, if we can call his half-assed attempts pushing. He obviously doesn't give a shit who dies as long as it's not him. And do you know what Annul replies with? What the fuck????????? The only way this sentence makes sense is if annul already knows I'll flip town. According to him I must be scum. But how does shooting scum not say anything about him? In non-crazy-world shooting scum is one of the best ways of clearing your name. In non-crazy-world you don't randomly shoot townies to save your own hide. in case my brief explanation was too succinct for you all: there are four choices: choose shot/pass shot; hit red/hit town choose shot, hit red: town may still lynch me for what would be, in my mind, a great day 2 bus... something i have done the last like 4 games as red. a palmar/annul bus plan starting day 1 to coalesce day 2 would be something i am sure one of us would consider and probably execute to perfection. choose shot, hit town: i lose my shot, i die day 2 outright. pass shot, hit red: i did my job as a day vig in killing a red AND it looks a lot more good for me since any bus chance would have to involve three mafia, so it is much less likely i am pulling that one off pass shot, hit town: i took the player no one thought was mafia to control my power, where if i were red i would be putting my own teammates in great danger than controlling the shot myself, thus helping to disprove any notions of redness anyway. sucks we hit town but if the MOST THOUGHT TOWNIE in the game was not able to pick correctly, then why is this my fault? so you may ask "why did i not pick option 1 and just 1 for 1 trade?" that was the rest of my explanation where i said i had more to do for the town in this game. day vig is not my only power, after all. there is still some equity left in my role that i want to extract for +EV. so in my mind the MOST "profitable" line was letting toad pick, since he had just as much chance as i did to pick a red (i had no idea who he was gonna shoot) AND it gave me the greater chance of surviving the lynch. BOTH of the "choose shot" lines ended in either a guaranteed annul lynch or a more-than-likely annul lynch. so i came up with something else. so do you fault a player for trying to survive? it is against the rules not to do so. | ||
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i dont like playing metas when you have in-game shit so obviously red (drazerk). tell me what he is doing that makes him so red in THIS game. post a case (if you did already, repost it) | ||
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On December 12 2011 07:05 Palmar wrote: Seriously, we are like three of the top town players in this game. Bumatlarge agrees with the case, and he's another great player. Give us the fucking benefit of the doubt and listen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority#Fallacious_appeals_to_authority Secondly, because the argument is inductive (which in this sense implies that the truth of the conclusion cannot be guaranteed by the truth of the premises), it also is fallacious to assert that the conclusion must be true. palmar provides no logical case against me from the beginning and palmar continues to attack me using blatant logical fallacy. the case on me is useless. also, i am still waiting to hear the redff case in detail. | ||
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but theyre still here. and palmar STILL uses flawed logic against me. palmar: who is more mafia to you, drazerk or redff? NOTE THAT NOWHERE IN THIS QUESTION do i say "who do you want dead TODAY" since i know that answer already. | ||
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palmar is intransigent. his ego is so astronomically large that my pressure on day 1 for him being totally horrible at this game leads him to blindly, persistently, and without merit or logic, tunnel the fuck out of me and manage to get sheeps galore onto it. his argument, literally his argument right now, is "we do not have time to vote someone else, therefore kill annul." yes you do lol. there are 8 people not on me right now. with these people revoting AND palmar revoting, that is majority on somewhere else. but palmar's head is so massive he won't even consider this. stop sheeping him. i have shown consistently that i have logic on my side and he does not. he has lied all game and tunneled me all game. what contributions has he made other than fucking vader up and then doing similar shit to me by way of a persistent aggression without merit? | ||
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what about you lol your latest point is "i didnt shoot you, therefore im red?" do you have no counter to the four scenarios i posted about before and my analysis of the EV for each? | ||
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On December 12 2011 03:22 annul wrote: in case my brief explanation was too succinct for you all: there are four choices: choose shot/pass shot; hit red/hit town choose shot, hit red: town may still lynch me for what would be, in my mind, a great day 2 bus... something i have done the last like 4 games as red. a palmar/annul bus plan starting day 1 to coalesce day 2 would be something i am sure one of us would consider and probably execute to perfection. choose shot, hit town: i lose my shot, i die day 2 outright. pass shot, hit red: i did my job as a day vig in killing a red AND it looks a lot more good for me since any bus chance would have to involve three mafia, so it is much less likely i am pulling that one off pass shot, hit town: i took the player no one thought was mafia to control my power, where if i were red i would be putting my own teammates in great danger than controlling the shot myself, thus helping to disprove any notions of redness anyway. sucks we hit town but if the MOST THOUGHT TOWNIE in the game was not able to pick correctly, then why is this my fault? so you may ask "why did i not pick option 1 and just 1 for 1 trade?" that was the rest of my explanation where i said i had more to do for the town in this game. day vig is not my only power, after all. there is still some equity left in my role that i want to extract for +EV. so in my mind the MOST "profitable" line was letting toad pick, since he had just as much chance as i did to pick a red (i had no idea who he was gonna shoot) AND it gave me the greater chance of surviving the lynch. BOTH of the "choose shot" lines ended in either a guaranteed annul lynch or a more-than-likely annul lynch. so i came up with something else. so do you fault a player for trying to survive? it is against the rules not to do so. | ||
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On December 12 2011 08:02 Zephirdd wrote: [/b]I'm still uneasy on lynching him, but not less than I am on lynching annul. then why not revote off of me yourself? 8-5 looks a lot closer than 9-4 | ||
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On December 12 2011 08:04 Palmar wrote: Don't do it. Kill annul. No other wagon should be going on at the moment, he's two votes away from being killed, don't fucking let him escape again. Goddamnit Zephirdd. maybe because he sees what you are too blind to see? | ||
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but where i give an answer to your second "case", you fail to respond. i already know your second "case." where is your response to my response? | ||
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palmar counts for two, but its 7-7 in PEOPLE between the two of us. it is NOT necessary, despite what palmar says, to vote me because we have to get a lynch. it is now even. get off of me and onto red. | ||
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On December 12 2011 09:41 Lanaia wrote: I'm not going to switch my vote because I just really don't think redff is scum... :/ why do you think i am scum? personally, dont just sheep palmar what makes me scum? | ||
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On December 12 2011 11:41 Mattchew wrote: He's literally 70% of the last 2 days of discussion. lol you say this as though this is a negative mark on me trust me i obviously would rather it not be the case that 70% of the last two days revolved around me if this fact bothers you you should look at palmar for being the one to cause 70% of the last two days to revolve around me. | ||
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On December 12 2011 12:10 sandroba wrote: Annul go die pls. You are like a highlander in this game wtf. what the fuck are you talking about | ||
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2nd period soccer 3rd period soccer 4th period soccer lunch 5th period partying skills 6th period partying skills 7th period large butt management 8th period soccer while partying and managing large butts then they go home and play soccer, party, and have large butts | ||
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On December 12 2011 13:21 sandroba wrote: Dear Annul, Please shoot me tonight. If you don't I swear I'll invest all my fucking time to fuck up all your team. I don't mind losing as long as I'm dead so I can convince myself it's not my fault. Cheers! jacks dont have night vig | ||
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because you dont lynch obvious blues? because results-oriented thinking is bad? because palmar never had a valid case whatsoever and chest-thumping does not constitute logic? because my accusers flat refuse to respond to my defenses? because faulting a player for trying to survive when faced with constant aggression is a terrible idea since people under attack will defend themselves regardless of their color? because i may be the only active player in this game that has not lied once, unlike my accusers in my instances? because the mafia knows my hunting skills are tremendous (see 47) and have tried to take me out of play by putting me on defense from the beginning? i mean i can continue | ||
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On December 13 2011 09:32 Jackal58 wrote: So tell me Nimrod, who's scum? no idea why you quote me and then ask "nimrod" for explanation but if you were talking to me, then i suggest you read my filter because i answered this already before end of day 3 | ||
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On December 13 2011 10:36 bumatlarge wrote: Please vote Annul, or please shoot me. wifom bait | ||
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On December 13 2011 10:49 bumatlarge wrote: You see it isn't WIFOM, because either option works for me just because you may be immune to iocane powder doesnt make it wifom for everyone else | ||
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On December 13 2011 15:07 vaderseven wrote: Annul did you use an action last night. yes. | ||
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On December 14 2011 04:00 vaderseven wrote: Annul, you are a LIAR. Option 1 on Refallen? You choose to be a vet and target someone? LYNCH. ##vote annul GOD i hate being played. no? option 1 that has a chance of being targeted at refallen. as in not the option that can be used at day or night. | ||
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On December 14 2011 05:42 vaderseven wrote: Annul is 100% lieing. Kill him. are you dumb? you are going to make me reveal every power we have to prove it to you? i would imagine you would want me to keep it secret for obvious reasons | ||
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On December 14 2011 05:54 Drazerk wrote: Because they actually understand me. You haven't played with me enough to "get me" so your probably going to think I am scum until like twelve games from now. and so when you are scum, you can act like you do now (because you are scum) and get away with it? | ||
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On December 14 2011 06:24 Lanaia wrote: From me, you say? Because I find the likelihood of two town jacks unlikely with what I've seen flip. I'm pretty sure I mentioned that. but "parity cop" and "floridian" and two normal medics and a TWO SHOT vig and who knows what else are all standard things for towns to have, right? the only thing you have against me is some analysis of what roles you think are given to each player in a closed setup game? shit this wagon is hella weak | ||
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if your meta is "act like a blatant red" then you need to be lynched repeatedly until your meta changes. what happens when he IS red? town auto loses? consider this: drazerk acts blaaaaaaaaatantly red the entire game. KILLING ME MEANS WE LOSE. period. you need to get off this weaaaak wagon and actually kill a red. | ||
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On December 10 2011 07:44 Lanaia wrote: Sometimes, though, like other people have said, they throw in identical or extremely similar roles. In Steamship, my role was very similar to a scum's role. Harry Potter and Voldemort were literally the same role with a different name. That's what I'm kind of basing my change of heart on here. from my notes: "lord voldemort - godfather role, owns a KP. able to choose during night 4 to change entities/powers. able to trade roles/identity with another red prior to the end of the first night (allows for reds to decide who LV will be)." "harry potter - gryffindor. immune from voldemort's KP. owns the invisibility cloak, which enables harry potter to hide - alone or with one other person - during the night phase. any actions taken against harry potter or the hidden person do not happen. this protection overrides all other abilities, including imperio. harry potter also has the special ability to, once per game, loan the cloak to a player of his choice. if that player is aligned with the death eaters, the cloak is permanently removed from the game (they do not get to use it). if that player is town-aligned, then that player controls the decisionmaking for the cloak for that day only (to go out with it alone or with one other person of THEIR choosing). no player may be EVER protected by the cloak on consecutive nights. note that some abilities may interact with the invisibility cloak in unexpected ways." same role for reals? | ||
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On December 14 2011 06:38 vaderseven wrote: Annul, go ahead reveal to the thread all your abilities. Its just more lies now. -_- as you wish ability 1: bulletproof ability 2: day vig ability 3: medic ability 4: mason "option 1" obviously refers to me using medic and not mason. | ||
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that being said, there are reasons why someone would want to talk to someone they "know" is town and not get it involved in public. the problem is analyzing him asking for it is WIFOM bait. it could be used for the reason i am thinking of or it could be used to waste his power and expose him to death tonight, or other nefarious reasons, etc. | ||
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he pushes palmar for a while and then instaflips onto me... then instaflips off of me and onto redff... then instantly ges back onto me... his main argument all the while is "annul claimed to be shot and no medic came out to claim he got saved" -- now we know 1. i did get shot and 2. medics did save me so what is HIS reason now for being on me? oh yeah "well annul is detracting from scumhunting and is 70% of the town debate" <--- not something i control! when asked about me or redff he says "They are both bad for town. That usually means they are scum correct? They both have provided nothing and annul has been distracting. I believe they are both scum" proven wrong once... will be proven wrong again if i flip. so really you have provided even less of a nothing than i have, because i have to act to save myself; you do not and you chose poorly. so i mean this is what you contribute: the drazerk defense: On December 12 2011 13:09 Mattchew wrote: I suck at this game. fuck. On December 13 2011 14:41 Mattchew wrote: lol at how bad I am at this game and lastly, something that encapsulates your play style this game in some perfect and pristine format... On December 14 2011 02:48 Mattchew wrote: I am starting to believe that both Draz and Annul are town. TWENTY EIGHT MINUTES LATER On December 14 2011 03:16 Mattchew wrote: ##vote annul res ipsa loquitor. | ||
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alright peeps, get ready for me to blow your fucking minds VADERSEVEN is the lynch target for today. why do i say this? weeeeeeell, we ARE both jacks, yes. and everyone fucking screaming about how there cant possibly be two jacks and whatnot in the town automatically assumed it was me who was the mafia? nope. it's vaderseven. we have the exact same abilities EXCEPT for one crucial one: the self-defense ability. he has veteran. i have bulletproof. what is the difference you may ask? veteran stops one kill from resolving against you the night you use it. bulletproof stops ALL kills from resolving against you the night you use it. why is this relevant? the only reason someone would want bulletproof instead of veteran is in case of mafia KP stacks. in other words, MY defense ability protects me for one night guaranteed from the mafia -- something i wouldnt need if i were the mafia jack. | ||
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On December 14 2011 15:27 vaderseven wrote: No, the only difference is you are the one squirming suddenly upon making a mistake about a claim. Its classic. You are doing it well at least. i made no mistake about a claim. i am not squirming. for the first time in the game it is revealed that you and i have different roles. of course, i process this information and act accordingly. there is no "squirming" and no "mistake" -- i have these roles and you have yours. You have resorted to an OMGUS as soon as a claim falls apart to a counter claim and that is a very standard mafia tactic. Seeing as I have pretty much destroyed by virtue of calling you out on a lie in your claim 1. not OMGUS. see above post. 2. there was no lie. i have not lied once in this entire fucking game. please point DIRECTLY, DIRECTLYYYYY to any lie i have made once in this game. find me a LIE i made and i will lay down and die. but you cant because i did not lie. perhaps you MISINTERPRETED what i said at one point, but when i clarified, you seemed perfectly clear in your comprehension. 3. funny how i said "bulletproof" in my list of abilities and then YOU said "he has the exact same abilities i have in the correct order?" you lied. YOU. lied. not me. you. because eventually you came out and said you did not actually have bulletproof, but veteran. imagine that once AGAIN i catch someone else in the lie and yet i am the majority candidate for a third time in a row now? Splitting the hair about your claim of able to go bulletproof vs mine to go vet for a night is misdirecting the conversation away from the fact that I claimed and breadcrumbed my role way in advance and you did a copy cat style play to establish yourself. Don't think that I have forgotten how it was when everyone was putting myself in their 'probably town' lists that you went established your copy cat claim. "jack, oops i meant palmar" is hardly advanced lol. and the difference between BP and vet is everything, it is so crucial because it shows how i am town and you are mafia. to deflect AWAY from this is to play defense when for the first time in the game i can be totally confident in my ability to play offense on somebody else. there is zero chance whatsoever that i am wrong here. zero. town will see this. you say i make a "copy cat claim" -- are you honestly implying that you think i am NOT a jack? like for real? all the evidence is there and you have admitted repeatedly that i proved myself to you, that i have the exact same abilities you have (with one key difference we find out!), yada yada. now it looks like with things like "copy cat claim" that you are throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks. THAT is squirming. Also, your analysis of bulletproof vs vet as 'more town' operates under an assumption that the town has a max of 1 KP per night. That being said, I don't believe you are a jack or any multi ability user. I think you are a mafia single shot day vig. You found a great way to get your shot off without being insta lynched for it and you are riding that all the way to the present moment. A. yes, town only has syllogism as the two shot vig at night. if town had anything else it would have been used by now. B. HOW CAN I BE A MAFIA ONE SHOT DAY VIG IF I PULLED MEDIC, MASON, DAY VIG, AND (X) OUT OF MY ASS? those ARE your four abilities, after all. like honestly how the fuck would i know these things? this is so disingenuous its absurd. The fact of the matter is, you are not the same role as I. I am a town Jack and you have claimed to be the same thing. we do not have the same role. we have the same TITLE but our powers are different. ive also taken the liberty of removing the bold blue text, since i fucking hate when people do that, as if it implies authority of a mod confirmation when it is bullshit. people should stop using any colors in text except green for official mod questions. Your abilities do not match mine. You are lieing about the name of your role and the only reason to do so is if you are not town aligned. again, let me show you this: On December 14 2011 11:32 vaderseven wrote: Abilites: Vet for one night Med for one night Mason for one day/night day vigi how the fuck would i be able to know this if i didnt have the same role (at least the same 3/4 of the role and a different self-defense ability)? 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On December 14 2011 15:48 vaderseven wrote: It was obv OMGUS lol. You see that I have found a fault in your claim. im voting you because your slate of abilities is tailored for mafia whereas mine is tailored for town. that is my rationale. also, now, how you handle the pressure just adds to it, but this is where the root of the case began. nothing OMGUS about it. Ok. Thats where it becomes some backpedaling. OPTION 1 among 4 abilities that are supposed to be common between us would be ability 1. You even number them. This clearly makes it obvious what the common understanding of option 1 would be. and yet you say you honestly believe i am a mafia aligned single shot day vig? lolololol. BECAUSE i knew youd understand it, i said "option 1" BECAUSE i wanted to make it clear i did not mean mason. BECAUSE i thought you were smart and knew i would obviously not claim to use a self ability on somebody else, i must be talking about abilities that target other people. and BECAUSE you understood what i meant once i explained myself. | ||
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On December 14 2011 15:52 vaderseven wrote: Maybe you ARE a multi ability mafia role and you just assumed your abilities matched mine. our abilities do match. what you claimed and what i claim match 100% EXCEPT for our self-defense power, which again ive explained repeatedly makes you the mafia jack | ||
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On December 14 2011 15:58 vaderseven wrote: This is the one thing I think that is true. You are right, you are some other variation of a multi-ability role and you were assuming your abilities matched mine. It is likely that you are a scum variation of my role. this is funny because its my exact case against you but youre trying to turn it but see when i point out the gaping holes in the case theres nothing else you can do but admit you were bullshitting and throwing the entire pot of pasta to the wall hoping something sticks. i spring unexpected pressure onto the mafia and they cant handle it. | ||
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On December 14 2011 16:11 vaderseven wrote: Now you are correcting your error and doing a subtle attack onto my claim (of first ability), which DID occur first thank you. Your counter claim of bulletproof over vet and the whole bulletproof is more pro town is a result of me claiming vet as an ability. Simple. As. That. what the fuck are you talking about? i made no error. this is my ability. i have bulletproof. you apparently do not. there is no error here. all there is is you having a slate of mafia powers where i have a slate of town powers. also, as i said, i am the first person in the game to claim all jack powers. you then confirmed it. you did NOT claim first. and when i said "bulletproof, not veteran" i was saying that to explain to you that bulletproof stops ALL night kills, that it is not just a veteran role. when i said "NOT VETERAN" i was signaling to you that perhaps you saw "bulletproof" but read the power as that of a veteran (an honest and probable mistake), not that i thought your role actually was veteran. only when you came outright and told me otherwise did i connect the dots and realize what ive been missing all along. Our next posts. I make it CLEAR as hell that you are lieing based on your claimed ability usage and claimed role. even here at this point in the game i am still operating under the assumption that you were town. obviously its fucking retarded to claim all our powers for no reason. (assuming you were town) that would mean that now mafia knows what we can do, and they can play around it. now they know we have medic and one night self-defense of some sort. you were hinting we had DT powers. "refallen, option 1" was me playing along. why give the reds any more info than necessary? of course this all crashes down when i realize you are not blue with me. And from there you put up your list. Your list isn't the magical first list that your big post trys to make it out to be. My list that came 5 hours after yours was a simple information based list to help make it clear what I was calling you out on. I await your next twisting of my words my worthy foe. the fact remains that i am still the first person to claim all our powers. the first one. and the only one to not lie once all game. i have caught you in repeated lies AAAAAAND i have caught you trying weak arguments hoping something sticks. nothing i said has been twisted in any capacity... by me, anyway. its not like i am arguing "omg i claimed these powers therefore im town" but i am arguing "i claimed these powers of jack, which YOU CONFIRMED, and then you were legitimately arguing to discredit me that i am not a jack, but a mafia one shot day vig." then when that blew up in your face you suddenly realized "oh fuck i fucked up" and now youre trying to salvage it. it wont work. | ||
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On December 14 2011 16:15 vaderseven wrote: Oh and You really had me scratching my head for a second with that 5 hours later you post the 2nd list of Jack abilities. I had to re-read both of our filters to make sure that I wasn't crazy and that I really had named that Vet was an ability before you named bulletproof. you named vet 5 hours AFTER i named bulletproof. not the other way around. | ||
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On December 14 2011 16:25 vaderseven wrote: Dang you are good at playing scum. That is an awesome buddying up to a large case vs you in an attempt to create a case out of thin air on me. You even couple that with an image of me having no logical place to stand saying that you are lieing. You said that you used option 1 on Refallen and I said uh option is to become a vet. You then backpedal and quickly go from being pro-me to anti-me. I finally caught you in a slip up that proved you were not the same role as me. With that you have no choice other than to OMGUS me. You have claimed town jack and so have I. The moment our claims don't match it is 100% the moment that we know each of our alignments, that of opposites. You recognized this and ASAP began to find ways to make a case that your claim is more town than mine. It is the most classic scum OMGUS (not town OMGUS) in that you realized at the same instant as I that your alignment had been revealed to me via your claim vs mine. i have proven that at that time i still believed you were town jack, just like me. and i have proven that my goal in that answer was to communicate information to YOU that did not get communicated to everyone else, namely the reds. knowing this, and knowing that, from my perspective, you knew what powers we both had, i assumed you were not as dumb as to think that i was claiming to use bulletproof on refallen. i guess i was wrong about that OMGUS means "oh my god, you suck." it is used in this example: person A: (some rationale), therefore i am voting B. person B: OMG, YOU SUCK! i am voting A. this is OMGUS. it is voting for someone BECAUSE THEY VOTE YOU. simply voting for someone who has voted you previously does not make it OMGUS unless you do so ONLY because they voted you. since ive provided ample rationale that is entirely unrelated to you being faster to type "vote annul" than i could get out my initial case, it is not OMGUS. stop stonewalling. | ||
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On December 14 2011 16:35 vaderseven wrote: It is everything? The difference or the ordering of the claims? I don't get how thats everything. Vet and Bulletproof are common roles that can be on either side of mafia/town. OHH I get it. It is everything meaning that it is the crucial thing that forced your hand and, as such, has to be a part of everything you say concerning you vs me from this point on. I said vet was option 1 and then you said thats wrong and posted your list. You are counterclaiming bulletproof to my vet and saying that vet is anti-town. I say that vet is a fine town ability (lol at saying it isn't, nice use of comparison to create an abstract negative view of something that in reality is a positive). I also say that your counterclaim of bulletproof to my vet is a smoke screen to take attention off the fact that you LIED and said you used option 1 on Refallen. I called you out on that and said option one is a vet and then voted for you. Funny how that difference is 'everything.' I think the lie that you got caught in is everything. once AGAIN you are arguing against a straw man. the difference is not in the ORDERING of the abilities. the difference is in the abilities themselves. we have the same abilities (medic, mason, day vig, and a self-defense power) -- except my "self-defense power" is different from yours in a subtle but critical way: mine stops ALL KP at night, yours stops 1 KP. this cant be an accident. therefore, there is no way you are not mafia. the only possible reason to split it up like this is to make me immune to a double stack by the mafia; something you do not need to worry about. but it has gone so far past this point now; now my case rests primarily in the way you are defending my pressure. you have lied repeatedly, used countless logical fallacies of various types, you have attempted to misdirect the crux of the cases, and you have used the awesome "no u" defense. i am positive that the people not here who wake up and read this will see just how scummy your defenses have been, and realize it is you, not i, who is finally outed as the red jack. | ||
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it looks like your last post is going back to the whole "im not really a jack" theory. LOLOLOL. i never lied once. you misinterpreted what "option 1" meant. aka, YOUR fault, not mine. you were SATISFIED with my explanation (because you typed "##unvote" in the thread AND because you said something like "oh, there were better ways of saying that...") and now you try to push that point once im on you? why not push it then? why unvote? | ||
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On December 14 2011 17:00 vaderseven wrote: Look again bro! Stop trying to confuse the issue. This is a factual list of the ordering of posts. saying "so you choose to be a vet and target someone" is not claiming vet. i make a direct claim of powers and five hours later you claim the same powers except youre a vet and im a BP. maybe in some extremely twisted sense of logic you "named" vet here, but it certainly is not a claim, since you have "named" powers that we have had in the past by subtle drops like this that we do not actually have. | ||
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On December 14 2011 17:03 vaderseven wrote: I am making a case on Annul after defending him for the entire game. Not the other way around. the fact you saw it cool to type "##vote annul" without any other content before i managed to type a multiple paragraph case does not make you the aggressor. i think itll be pretty clear to those who read this debate who is the one failing at proper defense. | ||
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On December 14 2011 17:05 vaderseven wrote: I have no idea what your role is, I really don't. I flip flop mentally from moment to moment on that. I know that you are not the same role as me though. You didn't even bother to comment on the time line once I clarified it. Care to do so? pretty sure ive responded to every post you have made so far. pinpoint what specifically you want me to comment on; perhaps i have mistakenly missed something. but given how bad your case has been so far, it certainly was not intentional and i will pounce on any chance i get to disprove something of yours | ||
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On December 14 2011 06:54 vaderseven wrote: wtf why did you set that up like that then man horrible. ##unvote On December 14 2011 06:55 vaderseven wrote: It was a horrible way to say things. just for people to see what i am talking about. here you understood my explanation perfectly, and even though you misinterpreted it, you knew the specific precise piece of information i was trying to deliver to you. that was the goal: get you to understand the message without signaling to the reds what i had communicated. if this was SUCH A MASSIVE SCUMSLIP OMG then why the fuck do you unvote me here? why not immediately pounce on it, the way i immediately pounced on you when i learned you had vet and not BP? also, On December 14 2011 07:35 vaderseven wrote: Thats the abilities I have in the correct order. On December 14 2011 07:35 vaderseven wrote: Thats the abilities I have in the correct order. On December 14 2011 07:35 vaderseven wrote: Thats the abilities I have in the correct order. On December 14 2011 07:35 vaderseven wrote: Thats the abilities I have in the correct order. but of course this was a lie, wasnt it? | ||
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On December 14 2011 17:10 vaderseven wrote: For a bit there your case was based on me saying Vet 5 hours after you said bulletproof. Where did that go? Oh its insane logic not to understand what I cleared stated in that post I quoted (in this post). Makes sense coming from the person that says Option 1 = 3rd ability. On December 14 2011 11:32 vaderseven wrote: Abilites: Vet for one night Med for one night Mason for one day/night day vigi whats that? your list of options is different from mine (which i couldnt have known before saying "option 1" anyway)? ohhhhhhh is that right so, then, "OMG YOU CANT USE VET ON SOMEONE ELSE" line is irrelevant and distracting? ohhhhh okay | ||
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the style of defense he employs is tragic. full of flaws, fallacies, and diversions. he goes off the deep end when i put any form of pressure on him that theres no way in hell hes not red. | ||
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On December 14 2011 17:16 vaderseven wrote: Comment on your choice to shoot and claim jack after what had happened with me on day 1. Comment on your choice to say option 1 and then call everyone retarded that says 1 does not equal 3. Please take the time to specifically comment on as to why you choose to say this, if it was indeed not a lie, in the most insanely stupid way so that anyone that was checking their role vs your claimed actions would instantly feel as if you had lied. Comment on to why me saying Vet and then you saying Bulletproof 2 hours and 41 minutes later is not important yet you posting a list that states bulletproof and then me posting a list that says vet 5 hours later is important. Keep in mine that the first of these two events happened first. Comment on how you are turning this into a lynch Vader not me is in fact not a defensive measure when you are leading the vote count in a huge way. 1. uh i was gonna die to the lynch so i claimed? this is standard procedure... or are you legitimately arguing that because i came up with a clever way to save myself that i must be mafia? you cant be arguing this, can you? 2. i already commented on this muuuuultiple times. i already "specifically commented" on why i chose to say that. but if you forgot, "vader knows our powers. vader knows ive proven im jack repeatedly such that he believes me. vader knows i know what we can do. vader cant possibly be so dumb as to think 'option 1' refers to something i cant target someone else with; he has to know that im referring specifically to the fact that i could have medic'd OR mason'd. i do not want to say "i used medic" because then the mafia will know we have medic powers, and i dont know if vader already used his second power." 3. you said the WORD vet whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooop dee doo for you sir, you also said "cop" a few times too; were you claiming cop? were you "naming your powers" then too? you didnt actually claim; i did, then you echoed my claim much later. also note that regardless of what you want to straw man with SAYING THE WORD vet earlier... i am still the first one to say medic! and mason! but like "WHO SAID IT FIRST" is not really important other than to disprove YOUR framework of the case where you tried to argue that i was not actually a jack. HEY TOWN, READ THIS! thats where the importance of this entire argument line comes from: v7 legitimately put in his case against me that he HONESTLY THOUGHT i was not a jack. 4. ive led the votes every day other than day 1. i was writing my case to attack you even before i saw your "##vote annul" without other content post. there is no more delaying. i cannot try to sway a no lynch to save myself, like i could otherwise do. today i need to focus fire a red OR WE LOSE. this is it. no lynch = game over. do the math. and as any good player of this game will do, in a situation like this, i am going to try to find someone i think is red and push my ass off on them and hope im right. | ||
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On December 14 2011 17:25 vaderseven wrote: I unvoted you because I knew you were going to post a shit storm this is obviously bullshit. this is the rationale? lololol no you didnt. you unvoted. im talking about if my explanation was so scummy, not the initial claim. i dont know what you are asking here but this is good that you pull out that when you saw that, you instantly voted for me without content, whereas when i saw that, i instantly decided to write a legit case. If I make a mistake and read your list of abilites that is damn near close to mine and see Bulletproof where I expect to see Vet I am sure you can see why I would ignore that. Especially since the issue I was focus'd on at the time was ability 1 being a non targetable ability. --- I actually didn't notice the other ordering issues with your claim until you just pointed that out until I wrote this out. lol. Thanks for pointing that out. AKA "YOU CAUGHT ME, DAMN IT, I HOPE NO ONE NOTICES THAT ANNUL IS RIGHT HERE IF I AM CORDIAL ABOUT IT" | ||
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On December 14 2011 17:29 vaderseven wrote: I still can't believe I defended you and led the town into not lynching you. id be upset with myself too if i knew i was a red and the guy ive been sheltering all along saw through the illusion If you post anymore manipulative statements and half truths about your claims tonight I'll address them tomorrow. the word "anymore" is poorly used here; it implies ive posted any manipulative statements or half truths in the first place, which i havent. but i would love to see you address my important substantive issues, since you havent really done so yet | ||
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there is no basis in fact or logic that can explain my gameplay and my divining of the jack powers unless i actually had what i said i had. THEREFORE, since we agree on 3/4 of the powers, the sole difference is the self-defense power. nothing else. | ||
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ANNUL'S "CLOSING ARGUMENT" FOR THE PROSECUTION FIRST, vaderseven legitimately argued in one of his first posts against me here that he doesn't think i'm a jack and that he thinks i am a mafia one shot day vig. when i provided multiple pieces of evidence showing how this is obviously untrue and how it would be statistically impossible for me to pull out of my ass the list of powers that we both have (with the exception of the BP v. vet dichotomy), he backpedals and tries to skirt the issue. but this is the MAIN CRUX of his entire case against me. the fact that he tried this at all indicates desperation and the execution of it can only be described in the way i did before: throwing the entire pot of pasta at the wall and hoping at least one strand sticks. this is what reds do. SECOND, the entire framework of focusing on the "option 1" thing is rooted in the theory that i had to have been lying about my abilities, and because of not actually having the abilities, i "slipped" by saying i used a power i couldnt' have used, thus meaning i "lied" about my role. this only works out in the end if i actually did turn out to be lying about my role. however, i provided evidence where i claimed mason before he ever did (something he admits exists for jacks), i claimed medic before he ever did (something he also admits exists for jacks), i had day vig like he did (imagine that), and we both have two roles that are very clearly self-defense, but one tailored for town (BP) and one tailored for mafia (vet). in other words, because there is no doubt that i am a jack and that i do have medic powers, the actual offensive point behind this argument is moot. the fact that he continues to use this also shows desperation and subterfuge. this is what reds do. | ||
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On December 14 2011 20:05 TruthBringer wrote: It just doesn't make any sense that someone who could very easily and concisely say option 3, would instead say option 1. so it is your belief that i am NOT a jack? because the only way this is relevant whatsoever is if you think i am somehow lying about the abilities i have. but because i AM a jack, who knows very well what powers he has, do you honestly believe that i would seriously claim that i used a self-defense power on somebody else? furthermore, apparently v7's order IS different than mine lol | ||
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you are definitely red, just like v7. all along. | ||
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unless you wish to stand by your initial claim that i am not a jack? you really, reaaaally wanted that one to stick | ||
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see, even now he is attempting that flawed, failed line of reasoning. | ||
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today is likely MYLO. hence why i woke up and started playing offense | ||
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once again you indicate v7's lies and side with him. you must be one of the 6 as well | ||
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On December 15 2011 07:50 Toadesstern wrote: So if it comes down to which of you two is mafia I'm clearly going to say it's you because V7 is way more townie. im pretty fucking good at this game. dont you think i knew this already? and since i knew this already, why the fuck would i make the play i am making if i were mafia? clearly the only rational explanation for my play is the knowledge that its MYLO, so if i die the game is over anyway... so there is no more fear, nothing to lose. | ||
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On December 15 2011 07:58 Drazerk wrote: Basically if we lynch annul town loses. FTFY | ||
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On December 15 2011 08:38 Lanaia wrote: I'm back, and I am not going to lynch V7 today as I've had a town read on him for ages. then pick someone else. picking me is game over. i need 8/9 of the other towns to vote with me or we lose. the mafia wont be voting their own dudes. you like hyshes more? we can hit him today instead. | ||
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any of these = good to kill. not me. | ||
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On December 15 2011 09:08 Lanaia wrote: I'm clearly town to you? The hell... I find that weird. Also, annul, why is toad scum when he protected you the night you were hit? yes. your play so far has been outside the range of passive-aggressive that mafia players play inside. you have been playing very passively so far. you are outside the middle zone. also, vader is scum and has medic powers. who says mafia cant have a full medic? | ||
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On December 15 2011 10:30 TruthBringer wrote: i dont think annul is a jack, and so therefore, i am a complete idiot who ignores the mountains of evidence proving otherwise fixed | ||
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other than this, we win. we take those odds any time. | ||
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we are playing around certain town roles and certain other roles you all do not yet know we have. | ||
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and yet you think this wasnt our plan all along | ||
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On December 15 2011 13:25 vaderseven wrote: If you went into the day trying to bait me into re-niging on supporting you and then have a fellow scum claim in thread right before deadline in order to get a no lynch then I must say gg wp. i went into the day with the plan of engaging somebody in a protracted debate that prevented town from getting reads or analysis done on anybody else. we knew we needed only 2 town to vote with us in the end and i thought at least 2 people would be willing to switch onto you. when we noticed this was unlikely, and that town would rather see a lynch of any type rather than nolynch (which is game over), we concocted this plan. | ||
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On December 15 2011 13:38 Mattchew wrote: or does town still have roles taht are not refallen? yes. obviously. | ||
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let people have their fun. it does not take ANY effort whatsoever to scroll down past a picture post. none. period. perhaps the culture of TL mafia has changed in the last couple of years into a new, more casual environment. let it be. if you wanna rage how about rage at the atrocious balance of this game; at least that would be relevant. | ||
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"no roleblocker touched your team" apparently jailkeeper did, and that means we ARE to be told we got roleblocked. cool. at least our plan worked in the end. what atrocious balance. TWO KP with 19 town to kill. we have absolutely no KP abilities besides my day vig. none. period. this means that we have to play FIVE DAYS of perfect play to get into position to win the game, assuming the two shot vig, medic, jailkeeper, and town jack don't have something to say about things... not to mention a double voter. two KP. no offense. our entire strategy is pure defensive play until we MIGHT have a statistical chance to win. | ||
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we had to play perfectly to get a chance to win. we did. our last minute plans worked. we held jackal back knowing of the floridian powers that town had no idea we had. | ||
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our sacrifice play was correct. barring 1%> chances of the correct power roles doing their shit, our day 4 play won the game, NATURALLY the miracle saves occurred, but that doesnt make the play a bad play. the fact remains that in order to even get to that position we needed perfect play. | ||
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