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On December 05 2011 01:59 redFF wrote: shut up about detectives just check who you think is scummy. Echoing redff here. On December 05 2011 02:08 annul wrote: "Just want to sit around and wait for power roles to do OUR job" I really don't think it was that. I do not see it as a claim. [QUOTE]On December 05 2011 02:24 redFF wrote: [QUOTE]On December 04 2011 19:38 Palmar wrote: [quote]In addition, how would you feel about randomly lynching on day 1. I mean completely random, we just have some kinda rng generator choose our lynch for the day.[/quote]I'm fairly sure this isn't going to happen, dumb idea. Besides we could never trust the person generating the number to not influence it themselves in some way. [/QUOTE] I would refuse to lynch based on RNG. I really do not like this exchange with corrupt. It feels like everything that comes out of his fingers is scummy. I think I always think Palmar is scummy so I'm going to have to reread him. Vader kind of feels scummy to me right now but I'm sure I'll have to hear more first. | ||
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However, I am eagerly awaiting his explanation on redff's case being terrible. | ||
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Damn, this seems to sound a lot like Toadesstern's response. | ||
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On December 04 2011 21:15 Radfield wrote: Agreed. Other than starting discussion, I think RNG has very little value. It simply doesn't mesh very well with most of our primary day 1 goals. In particular, getting the mafia down on paper and forcing them to state who they want to lynch and why. RNG: 2 ##Vote prplhz I know that I really don't like this post at all. I know other people have mentioned it, but it's really bothering me. Radfield, do you even think prplhz is scum? If so, why? If not, why are you still voting him? | ||
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This is essentially stream-of-consciousness here as I read the thread. On December 05 2011 21:46 sandroba wrote: Now into the people I actually find suspicious and would like input on from everyone in the thread: Zephird: He is talking nonsense in pretty much every post he makes in the beggining and then jumps on the corrupt dude who seems to be the most inexperienced player in this game. Compare that to his play in the last game where he was town, where his logic was pretty decent and I got a town read on him pretty much right of the bat. vaderseven: This guy gave me the impression that he is pretty good at this game in xlvii. His case on radfield is based on logical falacies and plain out wrong information. When people point this out he dismisses it and jump on the easy mode corrupt bandwagon. That note thing seems fabricated as fuck, given the way it's written and the amount of false information it contains. The fact that he unvoted radfield after people pointed out several flaws in his case isn't a scum trait by itself, but him jumping on corrupt the second after while admiting he could easily be a bad townie aswell is the patern we can identify as him not actually worried about looking for people that actually have scum motives behind their posts. I'm pretty sure I agree with sandroba on both counts here, but moreso on vaderseven. He has been giving me scumvibes this game. WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU SHOOT d1. Seriously, wtf are people even doing in this game. Palmar's being weird. On December 06 2011 03:04 supersoft wrote: lol? I am rather voting palmar if soap flips red than the other way around... Seriously. He didn't want soap to die... I'm going to echo supersoft here. On December 06 2011 04:30 vaderseven wrote: I shoulda shot palmar. I disagree. You shouldn't've shot anyone. I don't think you're scum anymore, but I think you made a terrible decision. However, what I really don't like is how Palmar seems to have known your role before you claimed. Right now, I'm going to ##vote: Palmar because I have no idea what the fuck he thinks he's doing and that feels fairly scummy to me and he seems to have known vader's role and I also don't think Drazerk is scum so I don't understand why Palmar thinks RNG is the best idea for votes. Hell, I could randomly vote on my own accord and CLAIM that it's RNG. I'm sorry, but I won't be back until after the lynch because of school (I think. Oh wait, deadline is 8pm PST? I'll be here a couple hours before then, most likely, given nothing happens on the highway). | ||
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On December 06 2011 06:54 Radfield wrote: What is this reasoning? You're voting Palmar because you don't think he knows what he's doing? Really? I thought you had "come to the conclusion you can't read Palmar worth a damn", yet now all of a sudden you have a strong enough read to call scum? These next two quotes are from the same post, both regarding vader: At what point in the post did your opinions change? This is a blatant flip-flop, and at this point it seems like Lanaia is just writing things to fluff out her posts: Lanaia's filter from this game: XVLIII and now compare it to her filter from XVLII: XLVII Keep in mind that Lanaia is scum in XLVII. Very similar reads in my eyes. My only problem right now is that she was agreeing with sandroba, and I am getting some scummy vibes from him too. Palmar what do you think of Sandro right now. Sandro, if this was plurality lynch who would you be pushing as an alternative to Palmar. ##Vote Lanaia I said that post was what I was feeling AS I WENT ALONG reading the 10+ pages that happened while I was asleep. Yes, there's a contradiction, but things change over the course of the game. My opinions changed with the whole vader/Palmar thing. Technically he can still be scum, but I don't think so because he'd thought he was going to be shot and thus reacted, like ANYONE would do. I'm voting Palmar because *I* don't understand what he's doing. I said that I don't know what he thinks he's doing. When a ton of shit happens, yes, opinions CAN change. I'll be back after class. Question: on TL,when a jester/VI flips, does the game end? Is the jester a solo alignment or can it be part of mafia/town? | ||
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On December 06 2011 07:07 sandroba wrote: What the fuck, insta-delurk when called out. I think you got one there. I was writing before you posted, hun. I didn't realize I'd have time to post quickly before class. | ||
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On December 06 2011 07:09 sandroba wrote: Yeah, but your last post is from 2 hours ago. Which means you were reading the thread, but not posting until radfield posted a case on you. I was away for two hours because I was driving to school, which is in a separate town. It normally only takes an hour and a half but there was construction on the road today. Sorry, but I don't stay at school on the weekends considering I have a job in this town and school is in another. On December 06 2011 09:12 syllogism wrote: I am willing to switch to lanaia and definitely will if it looks like she has a better chance of being lynched I don't like this post because it feels almost like it could become an opportunistic vote. I mean, it's not the end of the world if I'm lynched. It's d1, we have 24 people left, 6 scum. That leaves 18 town, and I'm sure the game won't be unwinnable for us. On December 06 2011 09:51 Mattchew wrote: Can someone please link me to the case against hier... I have been keeping up and its nowhere to be found.... the case against lanaina is the strongest BS we have? "the strongest BS we have" Could you explain that phrase please? Also... I'm moving my vote off Palmar and onto Hier because how Palmar is acting RIGHT NOW reminds me of when we lynched him last game and he was town last game so I'm not going to vote him. Yeah, sure, I look fucking scummy, but I promise I will do better tonight/tomorrow. I know, this is yet another change, but... it's better this way. But whoever said girls contradict themselves all the time is pretty correct. I've seen it with other women I play with. Almost had a heart attack because I almost lost this post. Can anyone recommend a way to eliminate the possibility of losing your post? | ||
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It was in my last post, Risen. Palmar was acting like he did last game before he got lynched and that I felt he was town. Or do you mean why I switched to Hier? To avoid a Palmar lynch, he was the best target. People were consolidating onto him and from what I've seen in the past, Palmar can be a hell of a lot more helpful than Hier. | ||
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On December 06 2011 11:00 Jackal58 wrote: Last game you knew Palmar was town because you were scum. Same situation? No. That's not what I mean at all. I did almost switch off him that game because I felt bad for him. It has nothing to do with the fact I was scum last game. I recall another game I felt similarly towards him but I can't remember which game it was (I was town as the last game was the only one I've been scum in). | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On December 06 2011 10:44 Incognito wrote: Enough with the SPAM. Stop posting one liners or there will be ![[image loading]](http://www.yusrablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Lightning-Original-Photo.jpg) Posts like these: as well as the other one liners are unacceptable. Please consolidate your posting and keep this thread readable. Thanks! Christ, red, talk more than one line per post. I know you do this all the goddamn time but it's annoying as all hell. I mean, it's more than just red but he's doing it the most from what I can see. A post consisting entirely of "LOL" and a quote is not something that is productive nor is it helpful to the game in any way, shape, or form. Of course, if you fuck up something in your post, I don't blame you for an EBWOP. And a question... Is posting your views at night really all that good for town? I mean, it kind of just paints targets (or anti-targets) everywhere, doesn't it? At daybreak I'll reread the thread and post my scumreads. I won't be active much during the night today because I have a huge accounting project I need to get done. | ||
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Of course, I don't mind annul posting only about one line because he's clear, concise, and to the point. He's posting in a useful manner in comparison to some other people. On December 07 2011 04:48 prplhz wrote: @Lanaia You too are not really being very helpful. You haven't done anything that resembles scum hunting this game, when can we expect something from you? What do you mean that talking during night just kind of paints targets (or anti-targets) everywhere? Do you think town should just be quiet during the night? You can expect more from me next game day. D1 is always harder, I feel. When I was talking about painting targets, I meant solely in regards to naming people who you think are town or not town. Moreso, when you guess at whether or not they are blue in addition. Targets would refer to people that a lot of people think are town. Anti-targets would refer to people who are called scummy. Mafia would not shoot the anti-targets unless they had a really good reason, in my experience. I'm used to nights where no one talks. Conversation is fine, but I personally don't want to reveal too much at night, when scum can change their decisions (from what I've seen). You can scumhunt, of course, but I just wouldn't be too blatant about results. On December 07 2011 07:01 vaderseven wrote: You should know that if you followed the scum qt last game. I stated that there and said so many times in irc as well. I thought we didn't release it. Also, turn off autocorrect, Vader. Now, back to working. | ||
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On December 07 2011 07:55 sandroba wrote: This is falacy. Lanaia DID insta-delurk there, she posted 10 min after radfield posted an attack on her, while she was missing for 2 hours. Last game 2 players (greymist and matchew) did the same thing and I called them out for it and they ended up being mafia indeed. I stand by my opinion that lanaia is scum. I did explain why I'd been away. I can't really post in thread or, you know, read it, while driving. It wasn't intentional for me to "insta-delurk." It's true that I do in fact go to school in a town other than my own because we do not have a university in my town. I stay in dorms but I didn't feel it was worth it to stay there alone all weekend when I have people I can be with back home. Was my intent to say a lot? No. I was asking a question and I was requesting we listen to our mod. No one answered me. And in writing this post, I was attempting to explain why I'd have a lack of posting today so that I don't get bitched at. Does it tell you anything about my alignment, though, red? Why'd you feel the need to comment on it when so many of your posts have no content whatsoever? On December 06 2011 06:39 redFF wrote: GODDAMN THIS PALMAR WAGON IS BAD Correct me if I'm wrong, but you never explained why it was bad. Can you explain to all of us why it was so bad? I'm sure we're all interested in hearing it. | ||
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Red, can you please reply to what I asked you in my last post? I don't really like being told I'm not contributing and then when I try to, I'm not replied to. Zephirdd, what do you think we can do about the lurkers? Anything we can use as a pester ball to lure them out of hiding? Actually, there aren't even that many. What do you think about Radfield's play? | ||
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On December 07 2011 10:15 Toadesstern wrote: Mind if I jump in there and give my 2cents? I think you got to differentiate between day- and night-lurkers. This whole "we should not post that much at night" is quite commong and there's just so many people who are not contributing or barely contributing at all. As long as they start posting the next day again I'm fine with it although I share opinions with VisceraEyes about talking at night. He is kind of overdoing it. Sure some people are answering him but most stuff comes from him and as I see it I won't get much out of people the way he's doing it right now. If you want to discuss about something by all means I'm hear for another hour or so to talk :p I was definitely referring to day. I personally don't like to post at night but I'm getting more used to it. I guess you guys are right in regards to it giving us more time to do stuff because the days here aren't three weeks long (I'm looking at you, MS). I'm just afraid of airing too much to the mafia, I think. I am completely paranoid, though. And oh my god, spoilers inside spoilers are annoying as hell. Day starts in about 2.5 hours I believe. | ||
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WAIT WAIT WAIT... Vader's a JOAT? wtf. Where was this and why didn't I see it? | ||
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Personally, I can't say that too much information can be gained from nightkills even if you're in a tightly knit community like the one I've got opdom in. So long as there's a game of mafia, there will be WIFOM. | ||
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On December 07 2011 16:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Why would a town-aligned player even use that role? It's been said already, but I'd like to reitterate that normally vote-rigging roles are scum roles. They just make more sense as scum roles. Therefor, I believe Palmar's role-claim. I think he's a scum Floridian. --- Here (10:13PM) we see Palmar agree to switch both of his votes to Lanaia. I mean, he said she was "a bad lynch" (7:30PM), but hey, gotta avoid that no-lynch, right? Right guys? Oh wait...in Palmar's "sign-off post", he makes it very clear that no-lynch is preferable to killing townies! Also makes it clear, again, for the third or fourth time (I lost count), that anyone voting for him is bad/stupid/new or scum. I'm not scum, and I was voting for him. In every game that I've had votes that I have to PM to the mod, I've been town. One game showed my name and the other IIRC didn't say any name whatsoever. I did not see his post about switching his votes to me. He clearly didn't explain that when it happened. Thanks, VE, for pointing it out. But he did switch it again later on, but... I'm kind of confused. I know this isn't much, but I'll be back in the morning. I need to sleep. Be back in approx 10 hours. Maybe less. I do know that I don't really like what I saw based on VE's perspective of Palmar switching about because someone said to. | ||
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On December 08 2011 01:39 Mattchew wrote: I am slowly becoming more and more ok with lynching Palmar, and if he flips red following with the lynching V7. Red and Eran still waiting on the roles you claim to be blocked from doing... One of them could be mafia and had their KP blocked Can you explain the link with Palmar flipping red = we need to lynch vader? I fail to understand your logic here. I really don't like you asking people to claim. It's only d2. I don't think red is scum based on how I've seen him before. I don't know about Eran, but I'd like to hear a lot more from him. Right now, I'm unsure of who I'd like to lynch, but I'm going to tell you guys now. I won't be around for about... 2.5 hours before the lynch on Thursday as I have an exam 6 pm - 9 pm.  I like the case on prplhz but I'd like to see how prplhz feels about it. I'm starting to think Mattchew may be scum. He feels like he did last game to me. In regards to the Palmar/annul issue... I don't really see why scum wouldn't shoot at annul. How do we know for sure that he's been shot by syllo? I mean, it is probable, but not 100%. I also don't see why people think Palmar's role is more scum-like. I've had anonymous votes and been town. In fact, every game I've had extra votes in, I've been town. I'm honestly not sure I want to vote either of them at this point. And you. YOU. Cut it out with the one-liners. You're not helping anyone. That post means literally nothing. No wonder I'm getting a slight scumvibe off you. Erandorr, I have a few questions for you. On December 07 2011 14:44 Erandorr wrote: I was roleblocked, too. Can anyone explain how that fits with the block Red claimed? 1. Why would it have anything to do with red's block? There could be multiple RBs, as Drazerk's claimed role would lead me to believe. 2. Why did you think they'd be related in any way? On December 08 2011 00:26 Erandorr wrote: ##Vote: Annul ! I don't believe you ever explained this. 3. Why did you hop on Annul's bandwagon with NO explanation whatsoever? 4. Can you at least give us an explanation now? 5. Do you legitimately think annul is scum? 6. Why or why not? 7. Who, aside from annul, do you think is scum? I've read your filter and not found it enlightening. | ||
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A newer player could have protected annul over syllo for lack of knowing. Erandorr, one more thing... Why are you so blatantly following Palmar? In your answers, I saw very little thought that was your own. @Mattchew If you're looking for a case, why don't you make one on Eran? | ||
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On December 08 2011 05:01 Lanaia wrote: Can you explain the link with Palmar flipping red = we need to lynch vader? I would appreciate an answer to this. If I've missed it, I'm sorry. I just don't get the logic behind it. I really fail to see where you were going with it. Also I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to quote the QT from last game as I'm pretty sure we never gave it out. Read this spoiler please. + Show Spoiler + Also, I feel the need to quote this again... On December 06 2011 10:44 Incognito wrote: Enough with the SPAM. Stop posting one liners or there will be --- Posts like these: as well as the other one liners are unacceptable. Please consolidate your posting and keep this thread readable. Thanks! And this... On December 07 2011 12:17 wherebugsgo wrote: Hey all, please cut down on the one liner spam. Incog has asked at least twice already and I have received a PM from a player about the spam situation. This will be the last warning before more serious consequences begin to appear. as you guys are ignoring it, it seems. | ||
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On December 08 2011 06:39 Mattchew wrote: not ignored.. missed... my apologies I think that Palmar and V7 set up the entire situation so that V7 could shoot a townie early with an excuse. Palmar can just play the wtf happened and I didn't mean to get a townie shot card and then they are both cleared. Another question, then... If they were doing that, why wouldn't they have shot a more experienced and contributing player than Soap? Why would they do it d1? What exactly makes you think they did this? On December 08 2011 06:41 Mattchew wrote: And why should I not post the QT? Is there a rule against that? If there is I will accept punishment, it was an honest mistake. I'm not sure, but it's technically private still, and where I'm from, you're typically not allowed to use info outside of the game that not everyone has access to. It very well could be different here. My apologies. I was incorrect. On December 08 2011 05:25 sandroba wrote: If you are medic and protected annul please claim right now so we can lynch both of you. Have a good day. Missed this a while ago. I really don't see why we'd lynch both and I also don't see why we need yet another roleclaim. I do agree with Toad's case on Eran. Mattchew, red is correct in that your post saying why you're going to vote red is scummy. You say you haven't seen a case that you truly believe in, which implies the case on red is one you don't believe in. If that's so, why are you on red? | ||
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I'm sorry, I don't know how active I'm going to be for the next 8 hours... I am panicking as I can't make this assignment work and I fail the class if I don't finish it so I am scared. I have 25 hours to finish it. | ||
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On December 08 2011 15:14 Mattchew wrote: I'd be surprised if anyone on this list was mafia sorry I'm not sorry for being honest (or it might turn out I'm just stupid) Can you at the very least explain why you'd be surprised? | ||
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On December 09 2011 02:24 TruthBringer wrote: I will switch my vote to the highest vote receiver before daytime ends if doing so is necessary to cause a hanging. On a different matter: The death of supersoft seemed odd. He seemed ambiguous as to whether he was town or mafia. Of course, mafia want to kill people who are obviously townies, so that when it comes to voting, everyone is a suspect. He also isn't a power player as far as I know. I know he didn't make that 6-player list of Radfield, Palmar, redFF, syllogism, Jackal58, and Sandroba. So why was he killed? I can think of somebody who had a motive to kill him: Lanaia. Supersoft made a sexist comment about girls always contradicting themselves. I think that comment was inappropriate but Lanaia appeared to take it in stride. But maybe she got the last laugh and killed supersoft for it. It is enough to put Lanaia on my radar anyways. I don't like this stuff where you're saying you'll switch to whoever has the highest vote... Are you saying you don't care who gets lynched? Are you kidding me? That is a terrible reason to think I'm scum. How the hell is that a motive to kill someone? I have a question as reading Zephhy's post has made me reconsider a bit... information is better... If we mislynch today, are we still safe from autolosing? | ||
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I don't understand the argument for lynching annul besides "a town doc wouldn't protect him." I don't even think that's a fair argument to make. On December 09 2011 06:07 hyshes wrote: Drazerk just loves to play aggressively and claims whatever he thinks is necessary to get people talking and slipping. I've played together with him as mason 2 games ago. He is leaning very towards town for me. I agree here. He feels town to me as well. Truthbringer, I'd like you to explain why you think I'm scum based on supersoft dying. Why would I kill someone because they said something about women? I don't understand the logic behind that. Also those beautiful quotes from eran you posted made me giggle. Thanks for that, I needed it. However, your dissection makes sense. It really wasn't a case he made. Erandorr is my biggest scumread and I will not change my vote off him today. | ||
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I'm wondering if I should because a replacement was made and I don't like voting replacements right away. Ethically, is it bad for me to keep my vote where it is? I don't want to vote annul because I think he's town and I don't think I want to vote Palmar. | ||
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On December 09 2011 09:02 Radfield wrote: Who other than erandorr do you think is scummy? I think Matt and Corrupt are scummy. Matt might just be leftovers from last game though. I thought he was pretty scummy then. Corrupt has felt scummy to me all game. | ||
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On December 09 2011 09:18 annul wrote: ok well in 45 minutes i will make a nice announcement depending on the answers i get to my last few questions IF YOU ARE HERE AND ACTIVE IT IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU ANSWER MY LAST FEW QUESTIONS PLEASE namely, 1. who do you think is MOST town; 2. do you think toad is town/mafia? 1. Toad. 2. Town | ||
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I personally would not have chosen prplhz as a target. He wasn't that scummy imho. I would have shot someone I felt was more likely to be scum. I wouldn't've allowed someone else to choose my target, either. I also would have actioned n1. On December 09 2011 10:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Why couldn't there be two town Jacks, I'm cornfused? You guys claim that 6/19 is abnormally high Mafia voting power - couldn't they offset that with increased town KP? These were my thoughts in regards to people assuming annul cannot be town. On December 09 2011 11:25 Radfield wrote: Do you guys actually think a town player would just toss his dayvig to the wind in the hopes some other player gets it right!? Annul is up against the ropes here the only way to save his ass is to hit a mafia, and you think he's going to put the gun in TOADS hand?? Screw that, you cock the gun and fire at your strongest scum read, the one presumably leading the lynch on you(remember if you are town you know the wagon on you is bs too). Kingjames, Jackal, mattchew, toad, lanaia, VE, Please switch your votes to annul. No way what he did comes from a townie mindset. That would be the worst play ever, unless you thought you had terrible terrible scum reads(which annul most certainly does not think of himself) Keep in mind prplhz just got shot, so we are down to 9 votes on annul, but still need 11. Corrupt, in the off chance that you actually place a vote and don't get modkilled, please vote annul. I don't think I would have switched even if I had still been around. I was not going to vote someone I thought was town. On December 09 2011 12:32 Mattchew wrote: anyone on palmar looks really scummy v7 just gave concrete proof hes town On December 09 2011 12:38 Mattchew wrote: palmar and annul got cleared by v7 Unless I'm missing something... nothing is 100% right now... I like the case on refallen. On December 09 2011 12:51 Risen wrote: Do not force people to vote for someone they don't think is scum. Let people come to their own logical conclusions. [...] People need to vote for who they think is scum. Bandwagons are stupid. Thank you, Risen. I've removed the part I disagree with. On December 09 2011 14:09 redFF wrote: he's not confirmed floridian, you're never confirmed until you flip. I'm in agreement with this statement as there are few roles that can confirm alignment for everyone to know from what I've seen. I'd prefer a nolynch to lynching someone I believe is town. I know I'm late, but those are just my thoughts. Had we lynched town, we'd be in an even worse position. I personally feel it's technically better. Right now, red feels town to me, but every other time I play with him I read him as scum so I really have no idea what to make of it. On TL, when you mason someone, does it ONLY work if it's town and you die otherwise or is it something different here? | ||
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On December 09 2011 11:29 vaderseven wrote: Honestly, aanul has 100% verified his claim. What would a jack that can do a traditional cop be useful to as the mafia? THINK PEOPLE THINK. I don't understand why that would make him 100% town. He didn't say every ability. On December 09 2011 23:25 vaderseven wrote: And he confirmed to me that he has the same options that I have. Confirmed to you != confirmed. Jesus, CUT IT OUT WITH THE INSULTS. It's unnecessary. Mattchew is still rubbing me the wrong way. Palmar's making me feel guilty for not voting someone I thought was town. :/ Sandroba's also making me feel guilty. Maybe they're right about annul.... | ||
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It's just a figure of speech. On December 10 2011 06:40 Drazerk wrote: Personally I would of preferred you not choose from rad's list and shot me it makes a lot more sense than prplhz This is something I agree with. There were what, six people on erandorr at the time? That's six people that probably thought he was scum, yourself included, toad. On December 10 2011 07:15 vaderseven wrote: Let me be clear about the annul being for sure a jack in my eyes. I stated something that SHOULD have received a certain reaction if he has the exact same role as mine. When I asked about he INSTANTLY said exactly what he should have said. This verified that he knows the correct powers that the jack role has access to. Does this mean he's town to you for sure, though? Are you 100% sure he's NOT a scum jack? Fuck. They were right. Sorry I was a goddamn idiot and didn't just vote him. This feels like the Harry Potter vs Voldemort thing all over again. Well, I guess what I'm doing tomorrow, then. On December 10 2011 07:24 Toadesstern wrote: what if they got some bullshit like a one-time tracker or something like that. That'd be just useless for mafia wouldn't it? So? They don't HAVE to use it. Like they said, they really only can use two of the actions. Are you saying that everything always has a good use? We don't know everything that's in this game. | ||
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On December 10 2011 07:35 Drazerk wrote: Also have you guys noticed that both day vigi's have been told to consider / kill me but non of them have? yeah, I noticed that as well. What does it say about you, though, do you think? On December 10 2011 07:39 Toadesstern wrote: I'm just saying V7 obviously has more information on what is going on than I do. Also I think V7 is basicly confirmed right now. Therefore I'm trusting him with what he says, at least I think he's honest. If he truly thinks there's a good reason to not lynch annul because of what was said I'm saying we should take a look at other people first. I think his decision with a lot of information is better than my decision-makeing without information at all. Sometimes, though, like other people have said, they throw in identical or extremely similar roles. In Steamship, my role was very similar to a scum's role. Harry Potter and Voldemort were literally the same role with a different name. That's what I'm kind of basing my change of heart on here. | ||
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On December 10 2011 07:57 Drazerk wrote: I think scum are trying to keep me alive for some reason. For the WIFOM, do you think, so they can get a mislynch on you? Toad, if you think it's so troubling he's alive, why didn't you TELL ANNUL TO SHOOT HIM? Would have been 1,000,000 times better. You really should have considered that a bit more. God, this is starting to make my brain hurt. I don't understand the motives of recent actions. ALSO I WILL NOT BE HERE FROM 4 pm PST to 8 pm PST because of work. | ||
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On December 10 2011 12:55 Radfield wrote: Upon rereading truthbringers filter, I think he is probably town. He has a lot of "scummy" comments, but I they are often over the top scummy, which leads me to believe they are red-herrings. His general posting seems pretty decent. I don't really understand... what is a red herring? On December 10 2011 14:15 Refallen wrote: I protected palmar last night and I protected drazerk on day one. I thought I should claim now as several people think I'm scummy. I don't recall that many people thinking you're scummy. Might have been a little early to claim for you, hun. Now that we know palmar is town (barring roles that can change how mafia appears), I'm not 100% sure how we should move forward. Should we be lynching annul even though it's not 100% that he's mafia? We don't know if there's a third medic. The only reason I don't like the fact the parity doc claimed is because I feel he's probably a bit of a target now. I wish radfield hadn't died. Presently my strongest townread. | ||
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On December 10 2011 14:55 Refallen wrote: Sorry, got the feeling that people thought I was scum (kingjames, plus a few others who said they liked his case against me) and I thought it was better to claim early and avoid the shenanigans that happened yesterday. Don't be sorry. It would have happened sooner or later. Draz and I have already gone over this. I think it was the beginning of night. | ||
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Mattchew, this quote chain is mostly it. I mean, it's obviously not every single possibility (he could technically be scum but I don't really think so right now). Scum doesn't always kill PRs, you know.... | ||
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Mattchew, who are your top 6 scumreads at this point in time, given it's a new day. I'm curious to see. | ||
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On December 10 2011 22:41 hyshes wrote: I'm going to vote for annul as well. If he is town we should kill of the palmar club ( = everyone connected to palmar by claiming defending him or saying he is town), starting with palmar. ##vote annul No no no no no. I will not lynch Palmar as I believe Zeph's claim. On December 10 2011 23:20 Toadesstern wrote: the fuck? Sandroba? I'm going to put this in caps to make sure you get what I'm talking about: SANDROBA? wtf was that supposed to do? It's not a question of 3 medics but a question of 2 medics. Our now claimed medic said he did not (!) protect annul n1, therefore we have to have 2 medics if annul's claim is right. Drazerks medic claim is still bullshit and there is no way his claim is viable. Why do you think that Drazerk's claim is bullshit? Why are you assuming that there are only two medics in the setup? It's technically possible there's a third out there. On December 11 2011 04:04 annul wrote: oh hey also palmar could be the godfather too. that would make sense to make him the GF after day 1 play. so zeph could be telling the truth and still palmar could be red. many ways to go from here. But we don't even know for sure that we have a godfather or that it's chosen, do we? (or is it an unwritten required rule on TL?) I'm voting annul. | ||
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Not even. We as in EVERYONE IN THE GAME. Not a scumslip. | ||
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On December 11 2011 11:18 Toadesstern wrote: For Christs sake he's not. I AM the medic that protected him n1. I even explained/breadcrumbed it : Click me! I don't know what you think about annul but he was never lying about being hit. I got a msg as well. That is the reason I'm not believing a word Drazerk is claiming. He did claim RB-immune-Medic and I'm a fucking normal medic. What point is there in makeing several medic-variations in this game? Incog trolling? I don't think so. That's why I wanted to know if V7 got shot because that would have proven we got a 2nd medic and that's why I risked letting V7 die n1 because if he died that night it would have been a prove for Drazerk to be mafia. Sadly mafia probably realized this as well after rad told drazerk to protect V7 (clickedyclick ). YOU ARE NOT A MEDIC So far this guy was a liar, that's why I always pushed him but obviously noone else knew it. Now he starts jeopardizing our blues. He did so with V7 n1 when he said "yeah np I'm going to protect him" and now he's doing it with Refallen. The only reason V7 did not die n1 was because of what I linked a little bit above (rad tellimg him he'll get lynched if V7 dies). Why would mafia not kill V7 if rad (who we know is a green) even promised to lynch Drazerk if he really is green? Mafia would have LOVED to get a townie lynch and they knew that Drazerk would be dead if they killed V7. I had a feeling it was you, toad. Doesn't necessarily stop annul from being mafia, though... ... Are you kidding me? DRAZERK WHAT THE HECK. I don't even understand... I have no words for it. I kind of wish I were a total jerkface so I could yell at you. I don't see why you felt the need to lie as town (given you actually are)... My LaL instincts are tingling, but part of me still thinks that a double role feels off when it's not as common as say, medic. What are the exact numbers we'd need to consider the game lylo? | ||
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On December 12 2011 04:39 Mattchew wrote: This game is a clusterfuck ... town shouldn't lie so this is dumb. we need to get rid of annul and draz (and of course my favorite redFF). Can we please come to a decision on who to lynch tonight So you think all three of those people are scum? Who are the other three, given you have an idea? Where has our friend Jackal gone? And Risen? And whoever the other person is who hasn't voted, kingjames, I think... On December 12 2011 04:50 vaderseven wrote: I agree that there was too much town lieing in this game so far. Its made the mafia's job WAY too easy. It's actually almost extremely annoying. To the rest of town who hasn't yet lied, please don't unless you have to. My scumreads at this moment in time are: annul, mattchew, eran/bum, corrupt/whoeverhisnameis, and I'm not sure who the last two could be. Corrupt/xcsxs or whatever is mostly because of the case from Zeph, but I had an idea of it beforehand. How many votes do we need to lynch a person right now? Is it 10? | ||
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However, PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T VOTED YET SHOULD VOTE... we don't want any modkills, do we? No, we don't. That's what I'm most worried about right now. kingjames, are you assuming Zeph and Refallen are both scum as well in that example? And because it seems like you missed/ignored this post... On December 12 2011 09:18 annul wrote: so KJ is there like a conclusion coming from this or did you just decide to recap the game I'm curious as well... If I've missed something, I'm sorry. | ||
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On December 12 2011 11:03 Mattchew wrote: redFF, VE and Kingjames you better have damn good reasons for not voting annul right now. If they don't think he's scum, why should they vote him? I'd say it's a pretty damn good reason to NOT vote him. Mattchew, do you think annul is scum? It feels like the only reason you think he's scum is because he claimed to be hit n1, which has been confirmed. That's literally the only reason I see in your filter for you yelling about annul being scum. How do you feel about the medic who claimed protecting annul? I haven't seen you mention that so I'm curious. Does it change your opinion You only voted annul because you didn't think red would be lynched. As soon as it looked like it, you switched. Why? Why not just be on the person you think is most scum the whole time? I'd really like to know that. I think I'm starting to agree with annul in regards to drazerk, though. I know LaL isn't always the best, but it's kind of always been something I agree with. Now that I look back on it, draz's claim was kind of insane. | ||
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On December 12 2011 11:41 Mattchew wrote: I think that annul is scummy and a leach on town. He takes a ton away from scum hunting and causes repetitive and circular conversation that leads to nowhere. He's literally 70% of the last 2 days of discussion. Lynching him and redFF would just lead us to work towards new scum. I have said for a while that redFF is scum to me. What if they were to both flip town? How would you feel, having advocated a double-lynch? WHY do you think annul is scummy? How do you FEEL about the medic claiming to have saved him? Is something wrong with someone being a huge part of the discussion? Would you prefer he lurks? You don't have that many fewer pages than he does. (I can't make that last statement grammatically sound :/) .... Why do you bother quoting someone only to say lol. How is THAT productive? | ||
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It's 7 PST right now. "Time Cycle: 48/24, Deadline at 8PM PST" from the OP I think sandroba's safe, but we'll have to see, I guess... | ||
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On December 12 2011 12:04 kingjames01 wrote: Mattchew: think about this for a minute. There are 6 mafia members and 13 Town remaining. Propose a reasonable mafia-oriented plan in which both annul and redFF are lynch candidates and there's relatively little talk about ANYONE else. Wait, what? Don't we have another hour??? This, this, a thousand times this. It's illogical. If they're both mafia... What the fuck is the mafia letting happen? On December 12 2011 12:05 sandroba wrote: Sorry I'm not caught up. Why are people voting redFF? They think he's scum. That's really all I've gotten out of it. His one-liners, which I've seen him do a lot as town, is a large part of it, it seems. But I'm late it appears and they've linked you to it. It also appears that you and I feel the same in regards to his play. On December 12 2011 12:10 Mattchew wrote: It makes me believe that 1 of them is not mafia and that they are hiding their votes somewhere meaning 1 is def mafia, which we need to get atleast 1 kill today to stay in this game i think Mattchew, I don't understand you. Can you try to rephrase this please? I really want to understand what you're saying when you called both of them scum not that long ago... | ||
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Zeph, why are you confident of it? There is no way both would be scum. There is no way we're getting a double lynch. Red and VE don't appear to be around, which is good, and the people on red are unlikely to switch anyways.. Why would all 6 mafia be on the same target? To me, it feels pretty unlikely. I don't see why they'd put all of themselves in danger for a single lynch. I'd prefer to lynch scum and not town. On December 12 2011 12:30 Zephirdd wrote: I said this before. You can't hunt scum based purely on votes; a smart scum team is most likely splitting their votes and killing itself in order to gain credibility. Why do you have to be so much more eloquent than me? | ||
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On December 12 2011 12:52 Zephirdd wrote: I believe it's easier to be "eloquent" when you are speaking on a secondary language  I'm confident because of the reactions of people lately. Namely Lanaia and sandroba going for annul over redFF and KJ1 waiting until the very last moment to overlap vote on redFF and Mattchew's desire for that double lynch. Not that these are scum tells or anything, but to be honest when were my guts right? Mattchew on XLVII? meh. Gotcha. Why do you say "meh" after talking about mattchew, may I ask? On December 12 2011 12:50 annul wrote: 1st period soccer 2nd period soccer 3rd period soccer 4th period soccer lunch 5th period partying skills 6th period partying skills 7th period large butt management 8th period soccer while partying and managing large butts then they go home and play soccer, party, and have large butts This made me laugh far too hard for my own good. | ||
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I used to be constantly wrong about red and always thought he was scum (this carried on to other forums and to IRC). Meta actually CAN be helpful. I learned from it. You'll learn from it too. And yeah, Palmar's gonna be pissed. | ||
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What I really don't understand is why people thought the case on red was so good. It's not the same as the case on annul as someone said. There are also more separate reasons from various people as to why they wanted to lynch annul, from what I saw. Anyhow, a question... Palmar, if someone were to inspect annul and have him show the same alignment as you, would you still tunnel? | ||
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On December 13 2011 03:55 hyshes wrote: With these kind of questions, i want to lynch mattchew 100% I very much agree with you. mattchew, if you want to listen to Palmar so much, why didn't you listen to him yesterday? And with that, I'm off to my exam. | ||
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Honestly, I am actually terrified at being told it's damn near lylo right now if we're not careful. Ughhhhhh. I have no idea what to say except we really should not have lynched red. | ||
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But so many people wanted to and I really don't fully understand WHY. | ||
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On December 13 2011 10:49 bumatlarge wrote: You see it isn't WIFOM, because either option works for me  Bummmmm why do you want to die | ||
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On December 13 2011 10:50 Refallen wrote: I don't know what to say. I think the best course of option is for Zeph to alignment check annul and we can go from there. Jeez, we're doing really bad as town. Well yeah. But we also don't know what other roles are around, right, so that technically could fuck everything up for all we know. I really wish it wasn't two hours until morning. I wish it were sooner. | ||
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However, does this mean our medics just happened to miss the biggest targets, or do we think mafia might have 3KP? We're kind of fucked here, though, aren't we. On December 13 2011 13:00 kingjames01 wrote: Not long now until we see how well we did last night... It seems as though the mafia have been in control of our lynches. My suggestion is to start examining players who haven't been given a lot of attention. These include:
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Today, we need to lynch scum. Annul is scum. Lynch him. | ||
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From me, you say? Because I find the likelihood of two town jacks unlikely with what I've seen flip. I'm pretty sure I mentioned that. On December 10 2011 07:31 Lanaia wrote: Does this mean he's town to you for sure, though? Are you 100% sure he's NOT a scum jack? Fuck. They were right. Sorry I was a goddamn idiot and didn't just vote him. This feels like the Harry Potter vs Voldemort thing all over again. Well, I guess what I'm doing tomorrow, then. So? They don't HAVE to use it. Like they said, they really only can use two of the actions. Are you saying that everything always has a good use? We don't know everything that's in this game. On December 10 2011 07:44 Lanaia wrote: yeah, I noticed that as well. What does it say about you, though, do you think? Sometimes, though, like other people have said, they throw in identical or extremely similar roles. In Steamship, my role was very similar to a scum's role. Harry Potter and Voldemort were literally the same role with a different name. That's what I'm kind of basing my change of heart on here. I've stated my reasoning before. Annul, aside from Draz, who do you feel is scum (now that it's day again and people like Palmar are dead)? On December 14 2011 06:16 Toadesstern wrote: would still like an explanation of what's going on but yeah if there's nothing more from V7 I'll vote annul. Oh and since noone mentioned or quoted it I'll just bring it up another time: Yesterday both medics were roleblocke so Mafa really has 2 Roleblockers being able to RB us both all day long ;( This kind of pisses me off, but it explains why draz was RB'd when he'd claimed medic (even though he claimed RB immune...). | ||
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On December 14 2011 06:32 annul wrote: but "parity cop" and "floridian" and two normal medics and a TWO SHOT vig and who knows what else are all standard things for towns to have, right? the only thing you have against me is some analysis of what roles you think are given to each player in a closed setup game? shit this wagon is hella weak Sorry, I was wrong about HP/Voldemort. I know it's weak. Sorry. I still don't like that you gave someone else your shot. On December 14 2011 06:40 vaderseven wrote: Basically what has happened is annul is a mafia vig. He decided to shot someone to fake claim jack seeing how I shot someone and am a jack. From there he used vague words to describe night actions to confirm himself to me and I was way too trusting. The only thing wrong with this is he knew about mason before you claimed it. On December 14 2011 06:51 Drazerk wrote: Mason is action 4 though... What do you mean by this, though? Annul, aside from Drazerk, who else would you be willing to lynch today? | ||
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On December 14 2011 07:02 Mattchew wrote: vader can you please consider mason'ing me Ahahahahaha. Why do you want that? On December 14 2011 07:04 Mattchew wrote: You couldn't say those 4 ablities? fuck I would have lynched Annul so much faster had I known that was it. All of those are town/scum neutral Something feels very off about this post. Why do those 4 abilities affect anything? What would make him supertown? Vader, can I ask, did you do anything last night? I understand if that is out of line. | ||
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On December 14 2011 07:16 Drazerk wrote: Mattchew is next after annul by the way Well yeah. Part of me is considering the benefits of offing him first. | ||
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Can I ask what you mean by that? If you don't want to reveal anything, I understand. I just don't see why he'd want to have mason powers with someone when he could just post everything in thread, right? Or do I really not understand the benefits of masondom? | ||
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On December 14 2011 07:31 annul wrote: though read mattchew's filter lol he pushes palmar for a while and then instaflips onto me... then instaflips off of me and onto redff... then instantly ges back onto me... his main argument all the while is "annul claimed to be shot and no medic came out to claim he got saved" -- now we know 1. i did get shot and 2. medics did save me so what is HIS reason now for being on me? oh yeah "well annul is detracting from scumhunting and is 70% of the town debate" <--- not something i control! when asked about me or redff he says "They are both bad for town. That usually means they are scum correct? They both have provided nothing and annul has been distracting. I believe they are both scum" proven wrong once... will be proven wrong again if i flip. so really you have provided even less of a nothing than i have, because i have to act to save myself; you do not and you chose poorly. so i mean this is what you contribute: the drazerk defense: and lastly, something that encapsulates your play style this game in some perfect and pristine format... TWENTY EIGHT MINUTES LATER res ipsa loquitor. This is why I think Matt is scum. That was an extremely quick change of heart. Well, it's part of why. I'd prefer lynching him over hyshes. His last post makes me want to lynch him even harder. His reasons for voting this game remind me of last game when I was his scumbuddy. However, we NEED to be consolidated today. We can't afford a nolynch, if my calculations are correct. Where's Jackal? I want to see what he has to say about all this. | ||
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A vanilla townie, you know, like how everyone we lynched has been. Mattchew, you seem to be assuming all our PRs have claimed. Do you think that is the case? | ||
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On December 14 2011 08:31 kingjames01 wrote: Lanaia: Instead of just waiting until later to cast your vote against hyshes, why don't you do it now as a placeholder. Then if you find a compelling reason to change it, do so. You say you don't want a nolynch but you want to vote for Mattchew? He has no votes on him right now. He is the person I find scummiest. I've had him pegged as scum all goddamn. Aside from hyshes, who are your biggest scumreads, KJ? | ||
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On December 14 2011 08:34 kingjames01 wrote: Based on what you're doing now... you're one of them. Can I ask you to explain what you mean by that? What exactly am I doing to warrant you thinking I'm scum? | ||
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On December 14 2011 08:42 Mattchew wrote: Nope. Those are only what have been claimed. And I only included 1 JOAT because my point is there could VERY WELL be a scum JOAT making him not part of the town team Personally, if you're going to assume one isn't, you'll have to possibly assume other roles aren't right. We're also confirmed to have an RB but we don't know what side it's on. | ||
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On December 14 2011 09:16 vaderseven wrote: I almost think we should mass claim at this point. There is so many claimed roles already and we need more info. I agree. I'd like to see what Sandro has to say about it first. On December 14 2011 09:25 Mattchew wrote: isn't everyone just gonna say VT? No.... Some people might claim PRs. We don't know what scum has planned. We'll see about the RBs later. | ||
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I'm back, and I am not going to lynch V7 today as I've had a town read on him for ages. I kind of wish none of the medics had ever claimed. Maybe then at least one of palmar/zeph would be alive. On December 15 2011 08:18 Jackal58 wrote: Ya I know. I'd much rather be lynching you today. Pretty much everybody I feel are solid scum in this game is voting for Annul. So you guys are either bussing him or he's town. May I ask who are your solid scumreads? I think it's better to wait until after lynch before we focus on tomorrow. I'm not sure why, but it feels a bit more logical... Mattchew, why don't you answer your own question? | ||
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I'm clearly town to you? The hell... I find that weird. Also, annul, why is toad scum when he protected you the night you were hit? On December 15 2011 08:59 sandroba wrote: Fine, go ahead and lynch me, see if I care. You'd be doing me a favor. I really don't like that you're pretty much giving up. You were just suggested, no one's pressuring you... | ||
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On December 15 2011 11:21 xsksc wrote: I'm confused, what just happened with sandroba? They appear to think he claimed scum. I'm a bit confused myself. I don't understand... How do we know this is a scumclaim? | ||
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Fuck, why do you guys have to fuck with my brain after a hard day... But I agree with xsksc. But I don't want to switch. jadhfkjsdhkjdfsh I'm leaving in about 10 min and won't be back until after lynch. :/ I interpreted sandro's GG differently... I interpreted it as his being pleased with avenging palmar. But I guess VE's interpretation can be right... | ||
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On December 15 2011 11:38 xsksc wrote: I want to do the logical thing, go with the evidence and lynch annul who I've had a scum read on for days. This is how I feel, completely. Voting someone I'm unsure about is NOT claiming mafia, thank you very much. If you really think that makes me scum, awesome. Leaving now, not changing vote, be back in a couple hours. | ||
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