TL Mafia XLVIII - Page 9

On December 13 2011 05:50 Drazerk wrote:
I vote we kill Mattchew tomorrow

On December 14 2011 05:35 annul wrote:
so who wants to actually explain to me why they think drazerk is town?

On December 14 2011 07:31 annul wrote:
though read mattchew's filter lol

he pushes palmar for a while and then instaflips onto me... then instaflips off of me and onto redff... then instantly ges back onto me...

his main argument all the while is "annul claimed to be shot and no medic came out to claim he got saved" -- now we know 1. i did get shot and 2. medics did save me

so what is HIS reason now for being on me? oh yeah "well annul is detracting from scumhunting and is 70% of the town debate" <--- not something i control!

when asked about me or redff he says "They are both bad for town. That usually means they are scum correct? They both have provided nothing and annul has been distracting. I believe they are both scum"

proven wrong once... will be proven wrong again if i flip. so really you have provided even less of a nothing than i have, because i have to act to save myself; you do not and you chose poorly.


so i mean this is what you contribute: the drazerk defense:







and lastly, something that encapsulates your play style this game in some perfect and pristine format...




TWENTY EIGHT MINUTES LATER




res ipsa loquitor.

On December 14 2011 08:18 TruthBringer wrote:
Regarding drazerk, I don't think he executed it that well, but his plan was apparent. He was trying to get shot because he was a veteran.

It wouldn't have been a safe play for a mafia to claim to be a really powerful role (which he did) because then the mafia would gun him down really quickly and it would look suspicious if they didn't. He was hoping the trap would already be sprung, the mafia would attack him the veteran and he could explain it all.

He was trying to be a hero, but it didn't work out.

Now, annul, v7 has all the same abilities as annul. That doesn't prove that annul is town, but I think other things are compelling.
1. The balance argument. 6 mafia vs 19 town. I doubt mafia would be given a role with a day vig power.
2. Not killing Palmar. annul could have killed Palmar earlier because Palmar did seem suspicious early in the game. He could have easily rationalized it, but he didn't. Palmar was already tunnelling annul early on day 2. At that point, Palmar wasn't very highly regarded as town.
3. Giving his shot to Toadesstern. He didn't know who Toad was going to have him shoot. I'm sure he didn't expect Toad to shoot prplhz. He couldn't have just backed out if Toad told him to kill someone who really was mafia. If he really were mafia, he could have easily shot redFF or someone else who had been very suspicious all game.

Hyshes: Hyshes has made no effort towards being pro-town.

He has the MO of the average mafia player this game (seemingly.) The mafia have been staying below the radar and the townies have been the ones drawing attention to themselves. Honestly, as a town, we've made it really easy for the mafia. redFF did several shady things that brought attention to himself. So have Palmar, v7, annul, and drazerk. I'll admit that I don't know that annul, drazerk, and v7 are town, but it seems that the mafia have been able to just lay low this game and watch the town be self-destructive by some players drawing all the attention to themselves and others just focusing on them.

The mafia haven't had any need to do anything bold like claim RB immune medic or offer a shot to the most townie considered person. They've been able to lie low and I think that's how we'll find them, the quiet, unhelpful, uninvolved players, like hyshes.

##vote hyshes

On December 14 2011 08:31 Lanaia wrote:

A vanilla townie, you know, like how everyone we lynched has been.

Mattchew, you seem to be assuming all our PRs have claimed. Do you think that is the case?

On December 14 2011 08:45 Lanaia wrote:


Personally, if you're going to assume one isn't, you'll have to possibly assume other roles aren't right.

We're also confirmed to have an RB but we don't know what side it's on.

On December 14 2011 10:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not sure about a mass-claim - I mean, with as little cohesion as this town has, I doubt that would do anything but introduce a lot of WIFOM and confusion, right? Wouldn't that make it harder to find scum, not easier? Let me know if I'm wrong, I haven't been in many games with mass-claims.

I've looked into Drazerk and I still like him as a scum-pick, but I'm also looking into Sandroba, hyshes and Annul as alternatives as we speak. Before rereading, I want to state for the record that I have to exert special effort to look at Annul and Sandroba objectively, because I have a town and scum read on them already respectively. Just FYI.

On December 14 2011 19:44 Toadesstern wrote:
what the fuck is going on. Yesterday I was about to vote annul because V7 said he's scum, than he changed to "do not vote annul because he's not scum" and now he's back to annul is scum?
Is there going to be more changes comming or do we now have a final statement?

And yes I haven't voted yet because of what I said above. V7 first said he's scum, than he said he's not and I went to bed 2am. Now I woke up an see a shitload of text I have to read.

On December 04 2011 20:05 ZBot wrote:
Current votes:

annul (11): bumatlarge, Drazerk, Lanaia, sandroba, Mattchew, vaderseven, xsksc, hyshes, Refallen, TruthBringer, Toadesstern

vaderseven (2): annul, VisceraEyes

hyshes (2): kingjames01, TruthBringer, annul, -annul, Risen, -TruthBringer

sandroba (1): Jackal58

Drazerk (0): annul, VisceraEyes, -annul, -VisceraEyes

Voting ends at December 15 2011 13:00. (That's approximately 4:37:19 from now.)

On December 15 2011 08:38 Lanaia wrote:
Mattchew, why don't you answer your own question?

On December 15 2011 08:52 Jackal58 wrote:

Sandroba, Drazerk, KJ, You,