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On December 04 2011 23:53 Refallen wrote:
Not a smurf; I lurk TL while watching SC2, discovered this forum, and enjoyed reading through TL Mafia XLVII!
this is a lie... noone enjoyed reading through mafia XLVII
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Reading the thread now while watching football with friends. When is the next time cycle?
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On the lynch/no-lynch topic:
It is retarded to even discuss the option of a no-lynch until a few hours before the voting deadline. Any amount of time knowing there will be no lynch is time wasted for town not gathering information through discussions and accusations.
Random Lynching:
No. I can see the merit (reds not being able to throw weak cases at others and defend themselves) but this also is not pro town at all.
Some thoughts on people
Palmar - Is acting a lot different then last game where he was town. This is causing suspicion for me and the RNG vote is stupid especially after last game he claimed to be a really good day 1 lyncher (and that was with 80 people probably the best RNG case available). Scummy
Vaderseven - Honestly I have no idea. He seems to be playing very similar to last game where he was scum and the cases brought against him are not exactly stong. If I had a gun to my head I'd say town though.
Syllogism - This game
"Zodiac" lists are fine as a guideline for medics, especially in a game with newer players or players who are otherwise unsure as to who is a likely n1 target. Even if they decide against following it, it will discourage mafia from shooting into it. Given the recent success rate of TL medics, I think the main early game function of medics is to discourage mafia from being overly bold with their shots rather than to actually save someone.
Last Game (Town)
I think we shouldn't be lynching into presumably active veteran players on on day1, given the number of lurking new players that will likely be present.
Also is a ton more activity and aggressiveness out of Syllogism this game. Scummy
Other People on my Scum watchlist
Jackal
TruthBringer
Viscera
Corrupt
Soap
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On December 06 2011 00:22 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 00:14 Mattchew wrote:Syllogism - This game "Zodiac" lists are fine as a guideline for medics, especially in a game with newer players or players who are otherwise unsure as to who is a likely n1 target. Even if they decide against following it, it will discourage mafia from shooting into it. Given the recent success rate of TL medics, I think the main early game function of medics is to discourage mafia from being overly bold with their shots rather than to actually save someone. Last Game (Town) I think we shouldn't be lynching into presumably active veteran players on on day1, given the number of lurking new players that will likely be present. Also is a ton more activity and aggressiveness out of Syllogism this game. Scummy I don't see a contradiction in these posts, what point are you trying to make here?
Its not a direct contradiction.. just "feels" different.
Also,
Prplhz, Draz, and redFF were all mafia in the last game and are playing completely different this time around. So far they all come off as town to me.
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Also, can someone explain to me the options Mafia has for night KP. I know there can be a range but I am wondering if it will be like 3 KP (like the half living mafia of last game) or is there other set ups for killing
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On December 06 2011 00:34 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 00:33 Mattchew wrote:On December 06 2011 00:22 redFF wrote:On December 06 2011 00:14 Mattchew wrote:Syllogism - This game "Zodiac" lists are fine as a guideline for medics, especially in a game with newer players or players who are otherwise unsure as to who is a likely n1 target. Even if they decide against following it, it will discourage mafia from shooting into it. Given the recent success rate of TL medics, I think the main early game function of medics is to discourage mafia from being overly bold with their shots rather than to actually save someone. Last Game (Town) I think we shouldn't be lynching into presumably active veteran players on on day1, given the number of lurking new players that will likely be present. Also is a ton more activity and aggressiveness out of Syllogism this game. Scummy I don't see a contradiction in these posts, what point are you trying to make here? Its not a direct contradiction.. just "feels" different. Also, Prplhz, Draz, and redFF were all mafia in the last game and are playing completely different this time around. So far they all come off as town to me. prplhz maybe. But redFF?!
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690&user=122881¤tpage=3
Red's last game where he is mafia. A ton of 1 liners that basically say nothing.
This game he has been hoping all over people aggressively and been contributing a lot more.
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On December 06 2011 00:41 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 00:33 Mattchew wrote:On December 06 2011 00:22 redFF wrote:On December 06 2011 00:14 Mattchew wrote:Syllogism - This game "Zodiac" lists are fine as a guideline for medics, especially in a game with newer players or players who are otherwise unsure as to who is a likely n1 target. Even if they decide against following it, it will discourage mafia from shooting into it. Given the recent success rate of TL medics, I think the main early game function of medics is to discourage mafia from being overly bold with their shots rather than to actually save someone. Last Game (Town) I think we shouldn't be lynching into presumably active veteran players on on day1, given the number of lurking new players that will likely be present. Also is a ton more activity and aggressiveness out of Syllogism this game. Scummy I don't see a contradiction in these posts, what point are you trying to make here? Its not a direct contradiction.. just "feels" different. Also, Prplhz, Draz, and redFF were all mafia in the last game and are playing completely different this time around. So far they all come off as town to me. how does it "feel" different, that's incredibly vague.
in this game he is supporting a veteran naming "zodiac list" where as last game he was against acting on veterans and it seems like his stance on pointing out veterans to new players has changed.
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On December 06 2011 00:35 Mattchew wrote:
Also, can someone explain to me the options Mafia has for night KP. I know there can be a range but I am wondering if it will be like 3 KP (like the half living mafia of last game) or is there other set ups for killing
can someone please explain this? If there are specific "killers" in the mafia, will role blocking stop them?
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On December 06 2011 02:16 Palmar wrote:
I had already claimed I was lying.
On November 24 2011 18:23 Palmar wrote:
I will be running a strict Lynch-All-Liars policy (LAL) and will push hard to enforce it. With a game this big we cannot afford townies running amok with some ridiculous plans of how lying will somehow benefit town. Do not lie, you will be held accountable.
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I actually am starting to think that Palmar is either terrible scum or playing really stupid so that the mafia doesnt kill him night 1 because he has a tendency to get killed off early
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On December 06 2011 02:44 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 02:38 Mattchew wrote:
I actually am starting to think that Palmar is either terrible scum or playing really stupid so that the mafia doesnt kill him night 1 because he has a tendency to get killed off early wanna explain that any further? You're scum and you know soup and v7 are both town?! How is Palmars action bad, since we don't know the result?! scumslip?!
He's trolling, lying, and RNG lynch voting. These are all counterproductive for town.
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Palmar do you plan on keeping this up as long as your alive or will there eventually be something sensible out of you?
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Rad the only name that matches on our list is Jackal. I think that he is suspicious as well and pretty scummy so far.
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Because we haven't seen the flip on V7's killshot and Palmar has done nothing but troll and look like a jester. There just isnt enough info yet to make a read on them. I believe that Rad is trying to hit scum but trim the fat (aka shitty town) if we miss on our first lynching
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Rad we are agreeing too much... I must distance myself.... Radfield is scum duh
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On December 06 2011 04:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
For the record Rad, it is NOT viable to act scummy to survive N1 when half the thread and now a vet claim IN thread that they believe that's what he's doing. It makes his "efforts" useless because scum then assume that's what he's doing and shoot him anyway (if he's town). I doubt Palmar would be doing something so transparent. But then again, I haven't seen him play in a while. I still think he's scum. And I still want him to hang.
My 2 cents.
Is this WIFOM
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On December 06 2011 05:03 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 04:17 Radfield wrote:On December 06 2011 03:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
Palmar - My initial vote was an attempt to get Palmar to actually play the game with us. He's still yet to share any of his reads, has instead rolefished (yeah I said it) and trolled town for no gain. Now he's convinced our day-vig (presuming OUR day-vig...) to throw away his day-shot on someone who doesn't even look scummy. Worst part? He's absolutely unrepentant in his actions. Palmar is almost confirmed scum at this point, and if we don't lynch him today I'm gonna be pretty shitty. SCUM.
Deez be mah reedz. I want to lynch Palmar. Palmar looks terrible, but I disagree with lynching him today. Palmar could easily flip town right now and I would not be surprised. Looking scummy is a viable way to survive night 1. Palmar is a good player, and has been getting shot night 1 repeatedly lately. If he is still shitting up the thread on Day 2, then yes we lynch him. I DO however agree that his play so far looks a lot like his play in LOTR(where he was third party). On December 06 2011 03:48 Drazerk wrote:
What is wrong with the Palmar / V7 candidates? I strongly disagree with a V7 lynch right now. If you reread the entire scenario, it doesn't look like the actions of a mafia. It looks like the actions of a frustrated townie. Pushing votes on him right now seems smart, because his actions were foolish, but in reality I think voting V7 simply gives mafia an easy place to hide their votes. Not to mention, his reasoning behind shooting soap made sense. At no point in this game is Soap going to step up and prove he is town through his contributions(or at least it seems that way, no offence). That means he is either Scum or a liability. Was it smart to shoot? No. If you are going to shoot as town, was soap a good target? Yes. This and Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 04:51 Palmar wrote:On December 06 2011 04:33 redFF wrote:
palmar are you a day role cop? Lol, I'm not a day anything. The entire thing started when syllogism pointed out an obvious flaw in vaderseven's posting. He claimed to have pasted his notes on radfield directly out of his note-thing, yet when syllo requested v7 gave us the rest of his notes after being pressured by sandroba, he refused, based on it not being formatted or anything. Which seems inconsistent with what v7 said earlier. So, I believed, and still believe v7 doesn't actually have notes on people, I think he made that thing on Radfield up. So I decided to force him to post his notes at gunpoint, mostly because for some reason v7 was refusing to give his notes to syllo. Obviously this had a hilarious rippling effect if v7 was actually a day vig himself  I retracted my claim long before v7 shot. The entire point was an attempt to force v7 to throw together something that could pass for notes very quickly, hoping he'd fuck up, but he claimed being at work, and I compared the time he posted that to the time when he posted his notes on radfield last night, and it is actually consistent with him having not been at work at that time, but being at work now. So I can't directly call him out on anything, but I think his decision to shoot Soap is incredibly rash. This makes me feel it's a bad idea to vote Palmar now. His earlier posts were okay, and I basically get that he was laughing hard at the whole situation that happened today. I'm still unsure about voting V7 over anyone else. Putting myself on his place, it sounds like something I would have done(albeit not on Soap). Doesn't help that Soap hasnt flipped yet. Gah, back to mark zero again. If anything Corrupt is my strongest(1%) scumread at this point, just because of my retarded head and its tendency to see that last response of his as a post made with help of scumbuddies, but that's a nonlogic thought as its huge WIFOM -_- In a sense, Mattchew isn't helping either, but he doesn't look like the red cardboard that came out of a Mountain-only MTG meeting that happened on the middle of China under red lights that he was on XLVII, so I'd say he is a second here, but it isn't any big deal at all. Gah. ##unvote Palmar
How have you contributed more than I have in any way shape or form. You have echo'd others thoughts, wrote long-winded IDK anymore posts, explained rules and terminology, and posted one-liners
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On December 06 2011 05:17 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 05:15 Mattchew wrote:On December 06 2011 05:03 Zephirdd wrote:On December 06 2011 04:17 Radfield wrote:On December 06 2011 03:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
Palmar - My initial vote was an attempt to get Palmar to actually play the game with us. He's still yet to share any of his reads, has instead rolefished (yeah I said it) and trolled town for no gain. Now he's convinced our day-vig (presuming OUR day-vig...) to throw away his day-shot on someone who doesn't even look scummy. Worst part? He's absolutely unrepentant in his actions. Palmar is almost confirmed scum at this point, and if we don't lynch him today I'm gonna be pretty shitty. SCUM.
Deez be mah reedz. I want to lynch Palmar. Palmar looks terrible, but I disagree with lynching him today. Palmar could easily flip town right now and I would not be surprised. Looking scummy is a viable way to survive night 1. Palmar is a good player, and has been getting shot night 1 repeatedly lately. If he is still shitting up the thread on Day 2, then yes we lynch him. I DO however agree that his play so far looks a lot like his play in LOTR(where he was third party). On December 06 2011 03:48 Drazerk wrote:
What is wrong with the Palmar / V7 candidates? I strongly disagree with a V7 lynch right now. If you reread the entire scenario, it doesn't look like the actions of a mafia. It looks like the actions of a frustrated townie. Pushing votes on him right now seems smart, because his actions were foolish, but in reality I think voting V7 simply gives mafia an easy place to hide their votes. Not to mention, his reasoning behind shooting soap made sense. At no point in this game is Soap going to step up and prove he is town through his contributions(or at least it seems that way, no offence). That means he is either Scum or a liability. Was it smart to shoot? No. If you are going to shoot as town, was soap a good target? Yes. This and On December 06 2011 04:51 Palmar wrote:On December 06 2011 04:33 redFF wrote:
palmar are you a day role cop? Lol, I'm not a day anything. The entire thing started when syllogism pointed out an obvious flaw in vaderseven's posting. He claimed to have pasted his notes on radfield directly out of his note-thing, yet when syllo requested v7 gave us the rest of his notes after being pressured by sandroba, he refused, based on it not being formatted or anything. Which seems inconsistent with what v7 said earlier. So, I believed, and still believe v7 doesn't actually have notes on people, I think he made that thing on Radfield up. So I decided to force him to post his notes at gunpoint, mostly because for some reason v7 was refusing to give his notes to syllo. Obviously this had a hilarious rippling effect if v7 was actually a day vig himself I retracted my claim long before v7 shot. The entire point was an attempt to force v7 to throw together something that could pass for notes very quickly, hoping he'd fuck up, but he claimed being at work, and I compared the time he posted that to the time when he posted his notes on radfield last night, and it is actually consistent with him having not been at work at that time, but being at work now. So I can't directly call him out on anything, but I think his decision to shoot Soap is incredibly rash. This makes me feel it's a bad idea to vote Palmar now. His earlier posts were okay, and I basically get that he was laughing hard at the whole situation that happened today. I'm still unsure about voting V7 over anyone else. Putting myself on his place, it sounds like something I would have done(albeit not on Soap). Doesn't help that Soap hasnt flipped yet. Gah, back to mark zero again. If anything Corrupt is my strongest(1%) scumread at this point, just because of my retarded head and its tendency to see that last response of his as a post made with help of scumbuddies, but that's a nonlogic thought as its huge WIFOM -_- In a sense, Mattchew isn't helping either, but he doesn't look like the red cardboard that came out of a Mountain-only MTG meeting that happened on the middle of China under red lights that he was on XLVII, so I'd say he is a second here, but it isn't any big deal at all. Gah. ##unvote Palmar How have you contributed more than I have in any way shape or form. You have echo'd others thoughts, wrote long-winded IDK anymore posts, explained rules and terminology, and posted one-liners I didn't echo someone's thoughts on Corrupt. Sure I posted after redFF, but that's what I truly believed at the time. Either way, it's not like you are at any danger of anything at all, why are you worrying so much? I'm just throwing away my thoughts(something that you haven't done), just for the sake of transparency.
I didn't like your analysis so I critize it. You're post was On December 05 2011 04:54 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 04:48 Risen wrote:On December 05 2011 03:31 Zephirdd wrote:
Because I don't throw votes away without proper thought. I'd rather see what they have for an answer before actually voting on them.
I believe the answer to a question tells me much more than the actual case made over someone. On December 05 2011 03:49 Zephirdd wrote:we aren't playing a game where someone can be hammered Maybe that's why I don't like doing it, my first game was like that, and I raged at people just voting out of nothing(even if I was scum there). Meh, the hell with it. ##Vote CorruptI just realized his nickname is horrible also lol. What? That makes no sense Zephyr. Unless this is a joke, and you're just using this as a placeholder. Context. Simplifying it, redFF convinced me it's not a big deal to throw a vote on someone you find scummy.And I'm not regretting it at this point...
But you never said why you thought he was scummy until you had other's present their cases and you could echo their thoughts. Now you try to calm me down off of you, why?
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