EPTYeah that's an awesome defense of your point. I'm swayed completely.
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Yeah that's an awesome defense of your point. I'm swayed completely. | ||
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On December 06 2011 11:29 Soap wrote: LOL, sucks to be bastard modded out of the game but I do appreciate the irony. Have a nice game folks. The mods had nothing to do with your death. That was v7 being an idiot. | ||
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On December 06 2011 12:37 kingjames01 wrote: Hier: where are you? Why aren't you defending yourself? The problem with this lynch vote is that it gave mafia an excuse to cast their vote without having to provide a strong reason. "I voted to lynch Hier because we 'need to lynch' and he's the only guy that we had a chance to kill" is not a good reason. Now everyone who voted for him can use that. Not to mention that since we have so many votes against HIer, it's possible that not every mafia is included in this bandwagon. At least consider the following course of action: If you are town, switch your off Hier and vote someone else. If mafia really want to get a free kill, make them commit an extra vote and put themselves at risk. Two people have to switch off at this point. This is beyond retarded. | ||
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On December 06 2011 12:51 kingjames01 wrote: Only if you really believe that Hier is Red and that mafia isn't actually trying to kill him. Who knows? If two people rescind their votes maybe we'll see you switch yours and decide Hier's fate. I'm not moving, and before you came riding in on your high horse I was the one saying this bandwagon swap is retarded. Nice try, though. | ||
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On December 06 2011 13:44 TruthBringer wrote: I like the case against refallen rather than the case against hier. I can harmlessly switch my vote from Palmar (5) to refallen. If other people are ready to swing to refallen, announce it, so we can coordinate and still make a hanging happen. Even though I would rather hang refallen than hier, I would rather hang Palmar than either, though clearly Palmar won't get hanged. Too many people have already decided against it. ##unvote Palmar ##vote refallen What case against hier. If you were on hier it was ONLY because you felt we needed a day 1 lynch. There is no other reason... | ||
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On December 06 2011 13:48 TruthBringer wrote: I was not on hier, I was on Palmar. For semantic soundness . . . I like the case against refallen, rather than the non case against hier. Ah I see. Apparently my reading comprehension late at night is horrendous. Regardless, no one is getting off hier at this point with 10 minutes left. We'll have to wait and pray that mafia is riding one of their members who dropped out of the game. | ||
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On December 09 2011 11:30 Radfield wrote: Yes, you need to vote annul. We need two votes, and yours is supremely important. Annul is a jack, he also has access to a dayvig shot. With 11 votes and him likely to be lynched, he asked for town consensus on the who the most likely town was(toad). He then passed his dayvig shot to toad and toad killed prplhz. I hold that annul was trying to wash his hands of any deaths. Any true town player would simply have taken their shot at the player they think most likely scum, not rely on some other players scum reads. Annul has been pushing Palmar as scum for 72 hours and 50 pages. Had he shot him and Palmar flipped red he would be 99% confirmed town. Instead he passed his shot to some other person. No way annul is town. Please vote annul. I will go through his filter right now. | ||
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On December 09 2011 11:35 Radfield wrote: redFF doesn't look great, but I haven't touched his filter since Day 1, so I don't know. Honestly, if annul flips red you don't look so hot either VE. Apologies for the spam, I meant to consolidate with my previous post. RedFF has been my strongest scumread from when I've been able to drop in. I can't tell whether this is town play or not from him, though. He just seems like a really mad poster. | ||
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Palmar accuses annul of being scum, VE accuses Palmar of being scum (shocking), annul says wtf why is everyone voting for me, Palmar gives a case on annul that isn't convincing at all, annul freaks and starts OMGUS, annul gives out his role and asks toads what to do, toads says shoot prplhz, annul shoots prplhz (I thought prplhz was scum going into d2), annul #1 lynch target in spite of being jack? Correct me if I'm misreading things here. | ||
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On December 09 2011 11:39 Radfield wrote: Why would a town aligned player give away his shot? Why not just shoot your top scum read, the one you have been pushing for days. Unless of course you know that player will flip town. If annul was scum, could he have done anything better in this situation to clear his name, short of actually shooting a teammate? Put yourself in annuls shoes(as scum), and ask yourself what you would do to get out of the lynch? I'm just wondering why annul is scum in this situation and v7 is town. I'm not sure your last question is fair, either. What is annul supposed to do in this situation as town? Why is his action scummy? I think it's scummy, but I think that only because I think v7's decision was scummy. I'm unvoting annul and placing it on redff. I still don't like him even AFTER reading his filter. | ||
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On December 09 2011 11:44 Radfield wrote: So why didn't you shoot him? I also notice that nowhere in that sequence of events does Palmar play like scum. Wait what? OMGUS is such scum behavior. Forcing people to act in an irrational manner is STUPID. We should have been able to be patient and Palmar has now forced two jack's out of hiding. How the hell is that pro-town? | ||
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On December 09 2011 11:46 Radfield wrote: The case on annul is pretty solid. I recommend you reread it. I made several additional points when I voted him. Since voting Palmar(for a terrible reason) midway through Day 1, annul has done virtually nothing. Even today he promised a big fat post but then simply passed over his dayvig shot to a townie. Annul is putting in very little effort, something that is a hallmark of scum. On December 08 2011 01:05 Palmar wrote: How about song lyrics and dramatic speeches? It can't be all coincidence Too many things are evident You tell me you're an unbeliever? Spiritualist? Well me I'm neither Wouldn't you like to know the truth Of what's out there to have the proof And find out just which side you're on Where would you end in Heaven or in Hell? Citizens of Liquidia! Today is a day to remember, because today the true colors of the residents of town will be shown. Who will dare stand up against the Mafia and make the right choice? Remember that we must each reach the conclusion on our own while working against a highly organized team of evildoers. Remember today, once night falls it is upon each individual in this town to analyze what happened here today, and more than any other day, today is the day where the lines are drawn. Today you choose a side, today you show yourself as a valuable member of town or worthless scum seeking only to spread distrust while slowly taking our lives, one by one. Every single person will be held accountable to their actions today. Every single person will be remembered for what they did here today, for good or for bad. Remember today! Palmar or annul THIS is pro-town? You have to be fucking kidding me. On the case itself, which I won't quote b/c it's fucking huge. Prplhz DID claim a blue role when he said "our". Did annul need to go balls deep on it? No, but Palmar is bullshitting around with this point. Palmar says there's no such thing as a blueslip, well I've never heard of it but it isn't like all the language used in this thread has been orthodox. Making up a word to describe something is scum now? K. I'm confused by Palmar's next point (his agreement in large part with syllo). Syllo says Palmar must be a mind reader to know v7 would shoot Soap instead of Palmar. No, he doesn't, he was trolling all day 1. At that point he probably didn't give a shit if he got shot. Oh hey look, annul voted to lynch the person who was ruining any discussion all day 1 and didn't die during the night. I for one, am shocked. Oh hey look at what Palmar is advocating, annul has dropped off the map and is now lurking, he must be scum, NO ONE ELSE WOULD LURK. Oh, except for the guy we lynched d1. Glad everyone decided to ride on that bandwagon. His final point is that because annul asks why everyone is listening to Palmar, he must be scum. That isn't logical at all! Right? Right? Oh wait. So you're telling me Palmar trolled all through day 1 in order to make it to day 2, he then proceeds to become a model citizen and shove annul out in front of everyone because he is now lurking and is a really easy target. Have I mentioned the fact that Palmar has been pressuring people to the point that they've had to reveal their roles? What idiotic shit is that? Guess what else explains v7's outburst and sudden town-cred, Palmar and v7 setting that shit up. But I'm sure that would be way too hard to do. Onto your case Rad. So, you're pretty much saying annul should have shot Palmar (what with Palmar being annul's best scum read). What if Palmar flips town? Not only do we lose our floridian, we lose our jack because no one is going to believe annul is town at that point. So what to do. Ask for the "most town" person to pick doesn't seem like an extremely horrible decision. Even if it was, my point still stands. What the hell about this shot makes annul scum and v7 town? They were both pressured into doing STUPID shit. So now we lynch as a punishment? The case against annul reads to me like this. Annul voted after presenting a weak case, annul lurked for a while, annul shot a townie after being piled on by the wagon. Am I missing anything? Why are we pushing for annul so hard? We should have him tell us his powers so we can use them tonight. Is there no one else you think is scummy? Palmar did a pretty good job convincing you it seems. Also, why were you pressuring the jacks to reveal everything about themselves? Scum knowing their powers is BAD for us. | ||
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On December 09 2011 11:57 Radfield wrote: Wait hold on. I'm not even sure what you're referring to now. Palmar did not OMGUS annul. Annul had been voting and pushing Palmar for 36 hours before the flip, at which point Palmar accused annul of being scum. An accusation that was at that time based on new information to the thread. Palmar did NOT force annul out into the open. Palmar built a case and pushed it. Palmar did NOT force vaderseven into the open. Palmar applied pressure to see if vader actually had notes. Yes they both resulted in an outted jack, but the motivation from Palmar in both cases was sound. Here is my problem with Palmar's play. Why is he pushing so hard for this on day1 and day2? He's expecting people to expect his actions to be in town's best interest. So when he pressures two jacks out into the open and gets two townies shot, oh well damn, I was playing like an idiot to force them to react to me. How about you just play smart, not force stupid bullshit out of people. Why don't you NOT troll the fuck out of everyone day 1 making yourself suspicious. Why not build yourself up as credible. His actions mean to me that he is either scum, or he's assuming everyone is an idiot that needs to be forced into action. | ||
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