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On December 05 2011 00:21 Radfield wrote: A zodiac list is a term coined many games ago. It refers to a list of players, typically the stronger vets, who are held to a high standard. I can't remember the specifics of the original plan, but it was a way to organize blue roles like detectives and medics by directing them either into or away from the zodiac list. Technically I'm misusing the term here. All I am really talking about is a list of players who playstyles I am familiar with, and who I am going to be keeping a close eye on. I don't like the idea of having this list. Lists last game just led to idiotic flamewars that didn't help us at all. I also don't think you can just expect us to trust you and your analysis of "players who playstyles I am familiar with". I think that's the kind of thing you should keep to yourself and just post your analysis. No need to pressure us with the fear that maybe we don't know their playstyle, so we should just follow you. Prplhz had me completely fooled day 1 because his post made me inherently trust him and his judgement because he appeared friendly and trustworthy. You're doing the same thing here. Moving on. On December 05 2011 00:39 Drazerk wrote: I dislike randomly voting people at the start of day to spark discussion as it just allows the person to do a blind omgus rather than focusing on everyone. Your not going to stick with Prplhz throughout the entire day at any rate and if you do you will just be tunnelling him which has too many drawbacks. One thing I learned from last game and Bloodyc0bbler's actions was that tunneling is not pro-town. Bringing up a single argument is fine and dandy, and calling people out on stuff is fine too, but going after someone relentlessly led to situations where our mayor and sheriff (who were both town) ended up going after each other and muddling up everything. Have to agree with Drazerk here. On December 04 2011 23:21 Toadesstern wrote: Worst possible option imo. a no-lynch would just make mafia get a couple of freekills while we end up being in the same position we had problems with on day1 with less townies left. This is how I see it. A day 1 lynch is going off almost nothing, but not lynching is giving mafia a free pass into the night. We have like a 1 in 4 chance of blindly hitting mafia, so we need some sort of plan on how to manage to find them day 1. Last game, every single plan I saw got yelled at for directing people, though. And directing in almost any case seems to be bad. So just go with gut feelings? Lynch someone who's lurking? Lynch someone who's talking a lot but saying nothing? | ||
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On December 05 2011 03:31 Zephirdd wrote: Because I don't throw votes away without proper thought. I'd rather see what they have for an answer before actually voting on them. I believe the answer to a question tells me much more than the actual case made over someone. On December 05 2011 03:49 Zephirdd wrote: Maybe that's why I don't like doing it, my first game was like that, and I raged at people just voting out of nothing(even if I was scum there). Meh, the hell with it. ##Vote Corrupt I just realized his nickname is horrible also lol. What? That makes no sense Zephyr. Unless this is a joke, and you're just using this as a placeholder. On December 05 2011 04:22 VisceraEyes wrote: VisceraEyes Scum-List of Correctitude Palmar - I liked Red's case on Palmar, and his attempt to discredit it by discrediting me is telling. Like, yeah...he thinks I'm bad...but my skill-level has nothing to do with Red's points or Palmar's posts. It's a ridiculous non-defense, and it's scummy as hell. SCUM. Drazerk - His criticism of Radfield of his RNG vote caught my eye. Like, what's the point there? Does he think he's scum trying to appear to contribute? Does he think he knows how to play better than Rad? We don't know because he doesn't say. It looks to me like he's soft-defending prplhz...especially when he says things like "...you're not going to stick with Prplhz throughout the entire day and if you do you're tunneling him which has drawbacks"....it stinks of pre-knowledge. Not to mention the fact that he's posted several times and hasn't voted OR given his opinions on any players. SCUM. We still have a lot of lurkers, I'd like to see content from everyone fastly. I disagree on Drazerk. I don't like the RNG vote either, I'm not going about it as strongly, but it just feels like a good way to start behind. It's a huge gamble. Your point about pre-knowledge makes no sense either. What I do agree with you on is that he hasn't given his opinion on other players directly, just implied. At this point why would you want to call people out directly? You could just end up looking like an idiot. There's nothing really to go off of other than analysis. Maybe meta? I haven't played but one game, and my read on Drazerk points to him as town. Last game he was completely useless, and he was mafia. I don't think he's useless here, so town read so far. | ||
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On December 05 2011 04:22 Corrupt wrote: I pictured TruthBringer as one of the good guys, so I'm being suspicious about prplhz.. altho I must admit that what he said about TruthBringer also made sense. It just isn't based on much information and yet he claims it, so that's why it provoked me for being suspicious about him. You need to make cases. You can't just point at people and say, I have a gut feeling that he's scum. You have to say, I think he's scum because X. Then when someone disagrees with you, you have to either point out the flaws in their counterargument or present your case in a more logical manner. Using logic is extremely pro-town, just saying "oh scum" gets us nowhere. | ||
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On December 05 2011 04:54 Zephirdd wrote: Context. Simplifying it, redFF convinced me it's not a big deal to throw a vote on someone you find scummy. And I'm not regretting it at this point... Oh derp, I just woke up my bad. I was like, did he seriously vote him because of his name??? | ||
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On December 05 2011 07:13 Lanaia wrote: I have come to the conclusion I can't read Palmar worth a damn. I really hate it when I feel like that towards a person all the time. So it's probably a good idea to ignore me when it comes to Palmar, at least for now. However, I am eagerly awaiting his explanation on redff's case being terrible. Lol. Found this funny as hell. As for Palmar, he just went to sleep like 5 hours ago. I'm not expecting anything from him until late tonight. I don't think any attempts to analyze him are genuine until he comes back. | ||
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On December 05 2011 13:11 Soap wrote: I don't get day start, no one did nothing and we have nothing to analyze. I'm rnging. ##Vote Drazerk Is this for real? I called Zephyrdd out for this kind of shit earlier, but at least he ended up having a real reason. Can we get any kind of analysis? I'm not seeing it. I almost shit myself when I read annul agree. Thankfully he was just being a troll. | ||
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On December 05 2011 13:11 Soap wrote: ##Vote Drazerk From the vote thread. | ||
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On December 05 2011 13:41 redFF wrote: get away with not contributing i guess..but he must know he would be called out. This is why I didn't just kneejerk vote for him. Soap man, you can't just do that shit. Is this like your second game, the last mafia being your first? He played exactly like this last game and he was town. Didn't post shit or help out at all. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690&user=71915 | ||
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Radfield here is my filter from my last game. This is only my second game, sorry it isn't much to go on. I got modkilled because I accidentally hit edit on one of my posts instead of quote. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690&user=62525 | ||
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On December 06 2011 05:32 vaderseven wrote: Not red but green. Not really surprised (would say the same if he was red) but I am sad. Of course you're not surprised. I posted that he played EXACTLY like this last game as town and you still shot him, because you were "afraid" of Palmar. I can't decide whether you're playing horrible town, or whether Palmar got the exact reaction he wanted out of you and you're mafia. I'm so confused by Palmar's play right now. Use LOGIC people. Hasty decisions and gut reactions are not pro town at all. So fucking stupid. | ||
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On December 06 2011 06:12 Corrupt wrote: Can't find the slightest piece of logic in his last 20 posts.. his "play" seems just unacceptable for me. It's so confusing as if there's no logic at all... just pure sickness. (or trolling or whatever) I have no idea what his purpose was with the dayvig thing, I think it was some sort of a sick coincidence with Vadersevens role. But again.. really? So sick, could this be planned after all? Let me know what you think Risen.. Going grocery shopping. Will do a writeup when I get back. | ||
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