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On December 06 2011 02:38 Mattchew wrote:
I actually am starting to think that Palmar is either terrible scum or playing really stupid so that the mafia doesnt kill him night 1 because he has a tendency to get killed off early
wanna explain that any further?
You're scum and you know soup and v7 are both town?! How is Palmars action bad, since we don't know the result?!
scumslip?!
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On December 06 2011 02:49 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 02:44 supersoft wrote:On December 06 2011 02:38 Mattchew wrote:
I actually am starting to think that Palmar is either terrible scum or playing really stupid so that the mafia doesnt kill him night 1 because he has a tendency to get killed off early wanna explain that any further? You're scum and you know soup and v7 are both town?! How is Palmars action bad, since we don't know the result?! scumslip?! He's trolling, lying, and RNG lynch voting. These are all counterproductive for town.
Ah come on. Don't be such a bourgeois. He brought some action in this town.
If you're honest you agree with me there, it doesn't matter if we force a dayvig who acted scummy force to shoot a lurker.
Seriously it's not a grave mistake.
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On December 06 2011 02:58 vaderseven wrote:
The fact that palmar claimed vig at me is why I claimed. Think about how it feels as a vig to have some post a countdown timer on you when there is a mild bandwagon. It felt OFF.
poor v7...
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On December 06 2011 02:56 sandroba wrote:
Holy shit. If somehow you guys are town that was retarded as fuck. I seriously hope you were bluffing and if you were not I hope this soap dude flips scum for pure dumb luck. The thing is the way this all came to fruition is bothering me a whole lot. Somehow palmar claims day vig and that he would shoot a guy that coincidently claims day vig too and shoots someone at random. It seems hard to believe this is not fabricated. Then again a scum vig shooting day1 is like begging to be lynched. I'll wait on new information or the lack thereof before I analyse this further. Don't do more stupid shit please.
let's wait what happens. We got a lot of information now. I think this is not the worst possible scenario for us right now.
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On December 06 2011 03:02 annul wrote:
im still waiting to see if soap actually flips from v7's shot or if this is a grand troll by everybody
if soap actually flips anything nonred i'm instavoting palmar and not unvoting
lol? I am rather voting palmar if soap flips red than the other way around... Seriously. He didn't want soap to die...
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i want to put this in the right order:
On December 06 2011 03:04 annul wrote:
im still waiting to see if soap actually flips from v7's shot or if this is a grand troll by everybody
if soap actually flips anything nonred i'm instavoting palmar and not unvoting
being the one to provoke this whole bullshit?
On December 06 2011 03:05 syllogism wrote:
So you are saying palmar is scum, vader is town and palmar used his psychic powers to determine that vader is a town day vig and would shoot Soap instead of, say, himself?
On December 06 2011 03:04 Palmar wrote:
It makes sense in some civilizations.
hilarious!
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On December 06 2011 03:10 Radfield wrote:
enough with the one-liners supersoft
Who do you want to lynch?
hmm, i got to think about the recent actions.
My first impression: syllo, Palmar, prplhz, (sandro) are town
annul and VE might be scum.
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well radfield. I guess you believe me when i say i never expected him to
1. actually be a dayvig
2. shoot anyone only 2-3 minutes after i posted that.
I wanted to gather some more information about this guy.
"Not smart" ? Better use your own brain before you accuse me like that.
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On December 06 2011 03:42 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 03:40 vaderseven wrote:
I think 6 scum and 19 town sounds right but I could see 3rd party. To be honest the way he is playing is exactly like his third party meta
Stop that third party discussion. There is no benefit if we discuss the setup.
We don't even know anything about the town/scumroles right now.
I will reread the thread and take a closer look at some candidates. We got to find a reasonable target for a lynch as soon as possible.
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On December 06 2011 04:06 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 03:20 syllogism wrote:
Radfield you promised to push for a lynch today if town has no direction and that appears to be the case so far. Barring the flip revealing more information, who would be your lynch today? I'm starting to lose motivation with sandroba/palmar both being equally useless. Sandroba kind of makes sense so far but is being quite lazy, if town. Yes, lets get started. These are the players I am willing to lynch today: 1. supersoft 7. hyshes 6. Erandorr 9. Drazerk 10. Jackal58 16. kingjames01 19. Lanaia 20. Risen 24. Hier Now I realize I'm doing what I said to not do: Posting a big list of people who scum can cherry pick from. However at this point I'm willing to let scum take from this list if they want to. If anyone thinks anyone else should be on this list, i'm happy to discuss why they are not. supersoft and Drazerk I'm less sure about, so lets take them off the list for the time being. They're both active as well, so presumably they will pick it up on their own. Hyshes has a IRL excuse, so he can slide by for a day. Hier is basically inactive, so it's kinda useless to vote for him. Risen I thought looked like a particularly good lynch, though on rereading his filter I'm not so sure anymore: Filter. I'd like to check his past game(s) Every post of Lanaia makes her look like scum: Filter Also need to check her past game. Kingjames01: Upon reading his two posts, my initial thought was that he has about 2 posts to impress me, or he is looking scummy. Both posts are neutral and full of generalities, long past the time when we needed to talk in generalities. Since then he has not posted again. Pretty decent lynch in my eyes. Jackal seems to be only posting in response to players. I don't have a good read on Jackal though, so as I said, I'm not going to push it on my own. Erandorr: First post in the thread stuck out like a sore thumb to me: Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 08:50 Erandorr wrote:
Okay I just got home and I have a question for you, Rad. What are your thoughts at this point? Is there anyone that is standing out to you?
No discussion, no comments on any of the current topics, just.... nothing Then calls me out, but does nothing to follow his own advice. In fact, he's doing exactly what he is accusing me of: Just asking questions of other players without giving your own reads: Show nested quote +Okay Radfield, this is starting to give me a bad feeling....What we have right now is a very peaceful town, but not one that is looking like it is gaining a lot of information anytime soon and you are doing very little to change that.... Most recent post: + Show Spoiler +To Radfield : The reason I asked you specificly is because I noticed it and it had not been mentioned before. That in itself was my contribution at that point. That I have to comment on other players as well is a given, but that does not make my questions any less valid. I didn't only ask you, I wrote something about you specificly because that question solidified my concern, which is that you are actually more contributing than guiding, which can be a very subtle way of playing scum. I felt this was a decent response. Yet since that point he has done nothing. He agrees he needs to comment on other players, yet does not do it. Eran has done nothing but respond to me this game. I get the feeling that had I not pushed him, he probably would have said far less. Certainly not sure on this, but it's niggling me. Again, I need to do some legwork and look at past games. Thoughts anyone? Agree/Disagree?
sorry radfield, that list is horrible. I expect much more from you than listing 9 players that are lurking/trolling.
For example myself. I admit, i didnt contribute anything gamedeciding so far and I even made a mistakes by creating a spam/troll atmosphere for quite a while.
We maybe could have gathered more information out of the Palmar/v7 incident with a more levelheaded discussion about it.
You also provide far too less reasons for the people on that list. You just throw this list at us and in the following you water down your own list. How is that useful?
I also disagree about Jackal. Maybe I don't see the difference, but I don't think he's playing unusual...
I'll filter your others targets now and look if there is actually something applicable among.
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On December 06 2011 04:29 vaderseven wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 04:27 redFF wrote:
the whole point of palmar saying he was a day vig was to find out if vader was actually keeping notes. That's retarded. Lieing to see if someone is lieing doesn't help to clarify anything.
it does. Now drop a gear. Go read back in the thread and find something.
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omg this palmar noobwagon is SOO antitown stupid and bad wow
i'll be back in 1 hour - playing football right now
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okay i am back. which filter is important to read? syllo, palmar, sandro I am asking you
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erandorr ^_^
as town, you try to contribute and you don't strive against the stream with accusations.
You can't be seriously demanding a radfieldlynch at day1...
also i found something:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 06 2011 07:11 vaderseven wrote:Here is my notes. They are out of date at this point since I last worked on them almost 24 hours ago. Next time pressure vote instead of pressure lie imo. + Show Spoiler +1. StimilantE
2. prplhz
day1- Calls turthbringer out for saying no lynch is good (scummy) but hates zodiac lists (proving he isnt noob) and then saying his vote will be worthless.
SOFTCLAIMED POWER ROLE DAY 1 "Just want to sit around and wait for power roles to do our job? "
Denies and clarifies softclaim.
3. Refallen
day1- Claims not a smurf.
4. Radfield
day1- Opens with a random vote on prplhz (rng). Too safe a vote that provides nothing. Even calls it bad. Really searching for ways that are not scum hunting to find a day1 lynch. Plays off of syllogism and says we need to make the town innocent so we can see scum. Suggest no-lynch after this. Says he likes zodiac lists. Says he doesn't like directing roles via lists. Says no-lynch is good cuz it makes us all get along.
Makes it clear that he is actually not for a no-lynch
5. Palmar
day1- Opens with a list of vets and says 2 of these are scum if the mod balanced in a smart way. List was a reply to a request for a list. Says lists are dumb.
6. Erandorr
7. hyshes
8. Zephirdd
day1 - Fishes for a smurf claim on Refallen.
9. Drazerk
10. Jackal58
day1- Opens by saying random lynch is bad, lists are bad, and list makers often flip scum. Says the only way to confirm alignment is to die.
11. sandroba
12. syllogism
day1- Opens by trying to say he wants to appear innocent via people questioning him. Likes zodia lists to direct medics. Declares that he will be looking at vets that live too long because that is scummy.
13. TruthBringer
day1- advocates a no lynch and doesn't like zodiac lists. Says his vote is worthless.
possible scummy post-http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=149&topic_id=291212
14. Toadesstern
day1- Pops into the thread and says we should lynch a summy player or a lurker.
15. annul
day1- Points out that Radfield doesn't like RNG and then RNGs. Says directing power roles is stupid. Points out how zodiac lists are wifom bait.
16. kingjames01
17. Corrupt
Noob.
day1-
18. Soap
19. Lanaia
day1- Says I am scummy first post.
20. Risen
21. VisceraEyes
day1- Opens by voting Palmer for wishy washy setupd speculation and no opinions.
22. vaderseven
23. Mattchew
24. Hier
25. redFF
day1- Starts off by saying nolynch is bad till later in the game and really bad day 1 for good reasons. Then says palmar is scummy with no reasons and votes him. Posts his case when poked that its the useless list, followed by saying lists are useless. Ignores the reason for list posted in first place. Semi-weak case and probably wrong.
this list looks like a list i do when i am scum. There is basically no information about certain active people
+ there is no accusation or assumption that anyone is suspicious...
v7, why do you write a scumlist...
+ this list is extremely poor. He didn't even replace stimilante with me.
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On December 06 2011 08:03 vaderseven wrote:
Supersoft you should keep up on the times. That is my notes from sunday when reading the thread over a few hours. Palmar wanted to shot me over them this morning.
I posted those with out even reading them over again as a good faith thing. I was home for like 1.5 mins before they were up.
these notes are still scumnotes. You didn't change your alignment since then right?
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And concerning the Palmarcase:
It is based on stupid assumptions like LAL. I never agreed with this shit! If you're town, you have to lie sometimes to get some additional information! It's a risk you sometimes have to take. So far Palmar is the ONLY one here that tried to force anything.
Accusing him for that is just stupid. There are different, better indicators, that tell us if someone is scum or not.
Right now, I see errandorr being useless and lazy. I know he is playing a lot Dota2 atm and I think he doesnt read the thread very well. I think his illness may be a lie.
V7 is still sticking to Palmar with questionable reasoning and he also posted scumnotes here.
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i don't care when or why you wrote these notes. They are in fact notes that are reasonable for someone is scum. They are useless if someone is town. That and your vote on Palmar could easily be explained with your red alignment.
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On December 06 2011 08:15 vaderseven wrote:
Tell me what scum hunting palmar has done and then compare that to the amount of lies AND trolling AND random votes he has done.
NOTHING he has done today is pro town.
Take any of his posts and you will find either abstract game theory filler, defense, RNG based pushes, trolling, or lieing.
THIS ISN'T PRO TOWN PLAY SUPERSOFT. THIS IS PLAY THAT DOES HELP THE SCUM.
get it?
okay, let it go. I already told you to calm down. If you keep raging, things won't get better. Your stressed out behaviour could also be explained with red alignment.
Now back to Lanaia:
On December 06 2011 05:05 Lanaia wrote:Jesus, what did I miss last night... This is essentially stream-of-consciousness here as I read the thread. Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 21:46 sandroba wrote:
Now into the people I actually find suspicious and would like input on from everyone in the thread:
Zephird: He is talking nonsense in pretty much every post he makes in the beggining and then jumps on the corrupt dude who seems to be the most inexperienced player in this game. Compare that to his play in the last game where he was town, where his logic was pretty decent and I got a town read on him pretty much right of the bat.
vaderseven: This guy gave me the impression that he is pretty good at this game in xlvii. His case on radfield is based on logical falacies and plain out wrong information. When people point this out he dismisses it and jump on the easy mode corrupt bandwagon. That note thing seems fabricated as fuck, given the way it's written and the amount of false information it contains. The fact that he unvoted radfield after people pointed out several flaws in his case isn't a scum trait by itself, but him jumping on corrupt the second after while admiting he could easily be a bad townie aswell is the patern we can identify as him not actually worried about looking for people that actually have scum motives behind their posts.
I'm pretty sure I agree with sandroba on both counts here, but moreso on vaderseven. He has been giving me scumvibes this game. WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU SHOOT d1. Seriously, wtf are people even doing in this game. Palmar's being weird. Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 03:04 supersoft wrote:On December 06 2011 03:02 annul wrote:
im still waiting to see if soap actually flips from v7's shot or if this is a grand troll by everybody
if soap actually flips anything nonred i'm instavoting palmar and not unvoting lol? I am rather voting palmar if soap flips red than the other way around... Seriously. He didn't want soap to die... I'm going to echo supersoft here. I disagree. You shouldn't've shot anyone. I don't think you're scum anymore, but I think you made a terrible decision. However, what I really don't like is how Palmar seems to have known your role before you claimed. Right now, I'm going to ##vote: Palmar because I have no idea what the fuck he thinks he's doing and that feels fairly scummy to me and he seems to have known vader's role and I also don't think Drazerk is scum so I don't understand why Palmar thinks RNG is the best idea for votes. Hell, I could randomly vote on my own accord and CLAIM that it's RNG. I'm sorry, but I won't be back until after the lynch because of school (I think. Oh wait, deadline is 8pm PST? I'll be here a couple hours before then, most likely, given nothing happens on the highway).
if she's a real girl, thats not a scumtell. Sorry folks. Girls contradict themselves all the time.
even so i am going to read her filter of her last scumgame... I'd like to have a little bit more than just Radfields verdict.
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On December 06 2011 08:23 vaderseven wrote:
Super ur case on me and defense of palmar reminds me of BC defending Zeks and making a case on palmar last game.
You can't compare yourself with Palmar. If you're town you better calm down now. I want to read a sterling discussion and not this shit. Seriously. Do you think you will convince anyone with that behaviour? Please.
Sum up your thoughts in a post and try your best.
Right now, the prevailing opinion among the experienced players says that Palmar is innocent. You shouldn't question that without good arguments. Everyone has read this thread and your little convo where you panicked and shot the first guy that came to your mind without any discussion.
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On December 06 2011 08:50 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 08:43 syllogism wrote:
I'll be around for an hour or two so you have until then to push for a candidate Radfield if you want my vote. If there are any other Europeans who have to leave, switch away from Palmar because that lynch isn't happening and we aren't no lynching today if we can avoid it. There is no town reason not to comply with this request, even if you somehow are certain that Palmar is mafia, so I expect everyone to comply.
Toadesstern you aren't voting for anyone. Except for the fact Palmar has acted like scum all game and the only reason you can think to save him is meta?
You stop that shit right now. You may read my filter. I probably gave some hints why Palmar isn't scum.
Also look his role. He has an extra vote. I don't think that this is a scumrole. And that's the worst argument i got for why i think he's town.
On December 06 2011 08:46 Refallen wrote:
Can someone comment on my thoughts on the matter? Would be helpful!
sorry, your thoughts weren't helpful on the matter. However you get some towncredit for them. But only a little bit.
Next time i'd like to read something new... Something 5 peoples before you haven't already said.
+ Calling Palmar retarded and posting useless thoughts doesnt fit together.
@Palmar, sorry hier is unreadable for me... Only one post with questionable content...
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