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Velinath
United States694 Posts
Not that I should be shocked because if you ignore it it means you get to spam up the thread more | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
On December 14 2011 04:38 Velinath wrote: wait a minute, are you seriously saying that a QUESTION MARK excuses you trying to manipulate a false policy lynch? That's hilarious. I can't take you seriously anymore. (hint: I don't buy this crap at all, and now I really DO think you're lying) There's no double standard. He's said over and over and over that you aren't providing explanation - you aren't. You're outright refusing to participate in a discussion now... Even if you think I'm mafia, you should be trying to get me to talk in order to catch the last person on the team. [QUOTE]On December 14 2011 04:38 Velinath wrote: That's hilarious. I can't take you seriously anymore. (hint: I don't buy this crap at all, and now I really DO think you're lying) So before you DIDN'T think that I was lying? | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
On December 14 2011 04:39 Velinath wrote: And I did comment on him omitting words earlier. Apparently you ignored that. What is this a responce to? Please quote the exact sentence/paragraph, so that it's clear what you're saying. | ||
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Velinath
United States694 Posts
Going to go take a final but I'll be back later tonight | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
On December 14 2011 04:59 Velinath wrote: Lying re: this crap LAL argument you decided to try and push, because it doesn't make any sense at all. Perhaps it's just me but if anyone can explain it to me what it is that he's talking about, I'd be grateful. I'm especially curious about the "now I really DO think you're lying" bit. Veli studying for his finals means that he wasn't lazy - but I'm glad to know that I was right about him not spending enough time to read and analyse. | ||
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Velinath
United States694 Posts
On December 14 2011 03:54 xtfftc wrote: There's a question mark in "Lynch All Liars?" for a reason. I raised a point for everyone to discuss: would a town player really try to twist "more likely" said in a certain context into "best read". Like always, I was trying to facilitate a discussion. See, we're not talking about a case in this situation. We are talking about deliberately taking one's words and turning them into something else. I provided quotes to demonstrate what he did but you still haven't commented on it. Here, I'll post it for you again. this is what i'm talking about. "Hey let me invoke LAL on something that doesn't qualify as LAL". i see in your quotes: "three scummiest" "more likely to be scum" "his team (...) more likely" this implies that you sure as hell think he's scum. layabout's already explained that your vote was 100% completely useless day 2. why were you happy to go along with the BKEXE wagon on day 3 rather than "make a statement" again | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
On December 14 2011 05:29 Velinath wrote: well that was a retardedly easy test this is what i'm talking about. "Hey let me invoke LAL on something that doesn't qualify as LAL". (1)I did not invoke LAL. It was a response to layabout being childish in the thread ("liar liar liar", and with bold even). This is just the way you are reading it. Next? On December 14 2011 05:29 Velinath wrote: i see in your quotes: "three scummiest" "more likely to be scum" "his team (...) more likely" (2)"three scummiest" does not equal "best read". (3)"more likely" does not equal "best read". Next? On December 14 2011 05:29 Velinath wrote: this implies that you sure as hell think he's scum. (4)In this very same post I mentioned the five people I was suspicious of at the time (Jay, EY, xsk, BKE, Adam). Clearly I did not indicate that I was "sure as hell". Next? On December 14 2011 05:29 Velinath wrote: layabout's already explained that your vote was 100% completely useless day 2. (5)And I have already addressed this plenty of times, even before layabout joined the game: it was to make a point. (6)My vote would have been equally useless on Jay as he was dead at the time. (7)And neither of you has provided any reason why would placing my vote on EY instead of Jay benefit me as mafia. Next? On December 14 2011 05:29 Velinath wrote: why were you happy to go along with the BKEXE wagon on day 3 rather than "make a statement" again (8)The point I made on Day 2 was that we need to discuss other candidates than the main lynch target. At the time when I voted on Day 3 there was a serious discussion going on already. This is 8 points you have to address. Could you please answer all of them and use quotes if necessary. And for everyone else reading the thread, ask yourselves this question (if you haven't already): how does voting/not voting for someone who is 100% sure to be lynched change anything? If not voting for Jay is a reason to call someone mafia, doesn't this make it way too easy for mafia to blend in by simply doing what the rest of the town does? | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
On December 14 2011 04:57 xtfftc wrote: So before you DIDN'T think that I was lying? This makes it 9. I'm done for tonight and you seem to have done well at your test, so I''m sure you'll have enough time to address all of my concerns. | ||
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Velinath
United States694 Posts
On December 14 2011 06:01 xtfftc wrote: (1)I did not invoke LAL. It was a response to layabout being childish in the thread ("liar liar liar", and with bold even). This is just the way you are reading it. Next? so you just didn't explain it well i guess, whatever (2)"three scummiest" does not equal "best read". (3)"more likely" does not equal "best read". Next? i didn't say the words "best read" anywhere. you're putting words in my mouth. cute, but come on, try harder than that. (4)In this very same post I mentioned the five people I was suspicious of at the time (Jay, EY, xsk, BKE, Adam). Clearly I did not indicate that I was "sure as hell". Next? I could use the same reasoning to ask why you voted ey215 then. (5)And I have already addressed this plenty of times, even before layabout joined the game: it was to make a point. (6)My vote would have been equally useless on Jay as he was dead at the time. (7)And neither of you has provided any reason why would placing my vote on EY instead of Jay benefit me as mafia. Next? 5) a point that didn't mean anything, as layabout said the vote was completely useless, you could have accomplished just as much by just reminding us of the need for scumhunting without the excess voting 6) i'll pass on this one because you finally made a reasonable point 7) cast suspicion on ey215, a town player by my reads and filtering (8)The point I made on Day 2 was that we need to discuss other candidates than the main lynch target. At the time when I voted on Day 3 there was a serious discussion going on already. that doesn't justify wagon sheeping a townie, which is what you did This is 8 points you have to address. Could you please answer all of them and use quotes if necessary. And for everyone else reading the thread, ask yourselves this question (if you haven't already): how does voting/not voting for someone who is 100% sure to be lynched change anything? If not voting for Jay is a reason to call someone mafia, doesn't this make it way too easy for mafia to blend in by simply doing what the rest of the town does? you could have just as easily said "hey these are my other reads" you even said: In conclusion, most of the town has sheeped on BKE (with Veli, Adam and to a lesser extent Tunkeg being the exceptions). I feel like there wasn't a proper attempt to change the direction of the lynch until late Day 3 and I agree that the third mafia player may have simply abandoned Jay and BKE to save himself/herself. As I was re-reading his earlier posts just now, I reached the same conclusion as before: bad townie. After Bbyte's lynch he finally stepped it up and started posting stuff and it became obvious that he was struggling to come up with his analysis. This was similar to Jay, with the main difference being that Jay posted much more filler during Day 1. But both couldn't keep it up when they were forced to provide their reads. I have yet to post on how BKE himself has posted on the other players but for now I don't see many promising leads. I'd sayu that the mafia is hiding amongst the quieter players but perhaps I'm seeing things this way simply because those who have posted a lot on BKE are my town reads anyway. WHY WOULD YOU VOTE FOR SOMEONE YOU BELIEVE TO BE TOWN. No word twisting here. You simply said "Hey, I think he's a townie, but here's my vote on him anyway". That is in no way a good idea. Ever. In fact the only reason to lynch a townie knowingly is if you are scum. | ||
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Velinath
United States694 Posts
On December 14 2011 06:02 xtfftc wrote: And I'm still waiting on: This makes it 9. I'm done for tonight and you seem to have done well at your test, so I''m sure you'll have enough time to address all of my concerns. already explained this. it's even on this page. it's like i have to scream at you to make a point. that was SPECIFICALLY in reference to your LAL stuff. which you FINALLY got around to explaining how you meant it in a clear enough manner that it would make sense to anyone else in the thread. irrelevant now, i suppose, but just goes to show how much attention you're paying | ||
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Velinath
United States694 Posts
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Velinath
United States694 Posts
On December 08 2011 04:56 xtfftc wrote: Town does not vote to punish bad play. Town votes to lynch mafia. (he says, to a vote that lynched a mafia) As I was re-reading his earlier posts just now, I reached the same conclusion as before: bad townie. After Bbyte's lynch he finally stepped it up and started posting stuff and it became obvious that he was struggling to come up with his analysis. This was similar to Jay, with the main difference being that Jay posted much more filler during Day 1. But both couldn't keep it up when they were forced to provide their reads. I have yet to post on how BKE himself has posted on the other players but for now I don't see many promising leads. I'd sayu that the mafia is hiding amongst the quieter players but perhaps I'm seeing things this way simply because those who have posted a lot on BKE are my town reads anyway. (his reasoning for lynching a townie - and even he says that he expects BKEXE to be a townie - day 3. Emphasis mine.) | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
@Zona is Bluelights getting modkilled/replaced for inactivity? his filter in the last 5 days he has posted at these times December 09 2011 08:55. a line of text December 10 2011 10:45. line + vote December 12 2011 01:23 2 lines worth of text + quotes December 12 2011 01:34 1 liner December 12 2011 01:34 comment on typos December 12 2011 02:14 2 lines of text my timestamp for velinaths last post December 14 2011 06:34 | ||
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ey215
United States546 Posts
On December 06 2011 07:26 xtfftc wrote: I'm going to bed, so I'm voting for Bbyte. It's not ideal but it's better than some unpleasant last minute surprise. ##Unvote: xsksc ##Vote: BByte I'm frankly not sure what has been brought up/not brought up re:xtfftc at this point but I do have a question about this vote. Wouldn't a last minute surprise be a good thing for the town in many cases? A last minute switch screams mafia. Just wondering on your logic. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On December 14 2011 06:52 ey215 wrote: I'm frankly not sure what has been brought up/not brought up re:xtfftc at this point but I do have a question about this vote. Wouldn't a last minute surprise be a good thing for the town in many cases? A last minute switch screams mafia. Just wondering on your logic. fix this and give you thoughts please | ||
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ey215
United States546 Posts
I've read all of it, but at some point quotes upon quotes upon quotes start to add up as to what has been said and what has not. Maybe I should have phrased it as, "I'm pretty sure this hasn't been answered." As for my thoughts, I'm on the fence and am still deciding how much of what I agree with what you and Vel are saying is my dislike of how he's tunneled me up until today and how much is rational. I can see how being one of two people that didn't vote for Jay and then making sure to be on the vote for BByte and BK doesn't look good. However, I'm not completely convinced that it is the contradiction you and Vel are making it out to be. Hence, why I'm asking him a question. | ||
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Velinath
United States694 Posts
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Tunkeg
Norway1235 Posts
On December 14 2011 06:21 Velinath wrote: I'm also going to ask at this point that other people start posting. We are almost halfway through Day 4 and so far it's been largely dominated by layabout (earlier), xtfftc, and myself. Where is everyone? I'll speak for myself here. I think the entire thread have taken a bad turn after layabout came into play. All he have done is make shitty cases and OMGUS'ing anyone arguing with him. I think he himself is playing an utterly crappy game (if he is town), he is purposly misinterpreting what other writes, twisting and turning every word that is written and his dickish behaviour wants me to straight up punch him in the face. He acts like he is so fucking great at this game, and keep referencing other games and how this game should be played. At the moment I get pissed off just by opening the thread and reading anything he writes, and therefor I find it hard to contribute anything usefull. I'll give him this though, if he is scum he is doing a good job, creating a crappy townenvironment and distracting the town with his shit. I know this is an increadible OMGUS post, and I know it will probably make me look bad, but I don't care, I can't coexist with layabout anyways. So please feel free to jump on me, cause atm I am the third best lynch town can make (green townie who is having a hard time contributing). I will give layabout the benefit of the doubt, I think he is scum and not a crappy asshole of a town... ##Vote: layabout | ||
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ey215
United States546 Posts
On December 14 2011 07:24 Velinath wrote: I would like to know what your opinion is as far as what I brought up in my last post, regarding his stance on "never vote townies" and then voting for someone who he believed to be town. It's a contradiction he needs to give an answer to the town for. I however don't think it's a definitive scum tell. I'd like to see his answer before drawing a specific conclusion. My vote may be based on how he answers those allegations. If he's scum number two who do you think is the third? | ||
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Velinath
United States694 Posts
On December 14 2011 07:32 ey215 wrote: It's a contradiction he needs to give an answer to the town for. I however don't think it's a definitive scum tell. I'd like to see his answer before drawing a specific conclusion. My vote may be based on how he answers those allegations. If he's scum number two who do you think is the third? Third scum might be Bluelightz (who still hasn't contributed - and it seems that EB's case on Hassybaby from Day 1 has fallen by the wayside, despite it being a fairly good case). I have nearly zero post content to draw from for Bluelightz though.. I don't think it's layabout because bussing with only 2 scum left in the game would be utterly retarded, and I feel that Tunkeg has played a town game thus far. As I have stated I have a strong town read on you and I also believe BH to be town based on filter. | ||
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