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Blazinghand
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Adam's two posts:
On December 04 2011 13:35 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 13:24 Velinath wrote:
EBWOP because you guys post too fast:
Blazinghand, I completely agree with your idea here. If we lack a case on a poster in the thread, lurkers are, regardless of alignment, anti-town, and they should be lynched in preference to a no-lynch.
Given that,
##Vote: Bbite
Let's hear from another nonposter. We cannot have no-lynches in this game due to the voting rules. I am all for lynching anyone who scum slips or is caught in an outright lie, as they're almost sure to be mafia. Lynching lurkers on the other hand, while I think they offer nothing to the town, also provides the town with very little new information and costs us an additional townie through a night-kill. As previously stated in the thread, bored townies are more likely to go inactive/lurk due to not having a very interesting role, whereas a mafia member has two teammates who are relying on him/her to stay active and try to achieve a win.
Against lurker lynching. Bad argument for it, but whatever. The purpose of lurker lynching is to prevent lurking.
On December 05 2011 01:38 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 21:39 Tunkeg wrote:
So are you trying to establish yourself as a boring townie by not posting anything or what?
Adam, a couple of questions for you:
What is your thoughts on Blazinghand's aggressiveness? How do you perceive him thus far? Is his play pro-town or anti-town?
Any thoughts on xsksc's play? Is he a key player in this game? If he is scum, what effect will that have on the game? If my lack of posting thus far has crowned me as a boring townie, I guess it’s a mantle I’ll wear; I had a Sunday off and decided to go out drinking. My thoughts on Blazinghands aggression so far is that I feel he is trying to generate discussion. However, I question whether he is trying too hard to establish himself as a townie by his badgering. This, coupled with his apparent buddy-buddy relationship with Velinath has me keeping a close eye on both of them as I find it strange that they are apparently “BFF’s” after only 12 hours of play. So to directly answer your question, Tunkeg, I find his behaviour suspicious and erring on the side of Anti-town. 5 separate votes in 12 hours is akin to spam and is just leading the town around in circles, rather than focusing on any one target. Xsksc is someone I’m more familiar with after close examination of the Newbie Mini Mafia thread. So far he has begun discussion, scolded Blazinghands reckless aggression and defended himself well when called out. Is he a key player in the game? Not yet, but neither is anyone else. Is he pro-town? All signs are pointing towards yes. If he turns out to be mafia, id hope to think we can still catch him out and hang him even with his greater mafia experience over us. Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 16:03 Blazinghand wrote:
Adam has correctly noted that there are no no-lynches in his sole post. Helpful, but not enormously so. Also, he's certainly awake since he's Australian. I'm gonna slap my vote on him and wait for him to contribute some more. Maybe he's eating or out or something, but hopefully this will get more than 1 post
Adam, I'd like to see you contributing to the discussion more. I'm heading to bed relatively soon, but when I wake up I hope to see a new post from you.
##Vote Adam4167
I don't necessarily think you're scum or that other people should vote for you, but you've only made one post, and that's simply not good enough.
Hurry up. As previously stated, I went out drinking. And after I finish this post, I'm going to need at least 6 hours to sleep it off. I feel that by flinging your vote in every direction, you have cheapened the weight of your vote when you eventually do decide to settle on a target. I also feel the need to point out again that you have had 5 separate votes in 12 hours, which is almost half of the players participating.You’ve caught my attention Blazinghand, don’t slip =).
Step 1) proclaims self to be bad, inactive townie-- sounds like scum trying to hide.
Step 2) mildly accuse me and velinath of being town. not inherently a bad idea, but unsupported and trying to divert attention from himself.
Step 3) does not actually respond to any of my questions, then says that I've "caught his attention"
Step 4) never return to thread.
That's my analysis. I see no meaningful contributions, and a lot of misdirection, a lie, and unhelpfulness.
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Blazinghand
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P.S.: I'd like to make a bigger case against this guy but he literally has two posts...
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Blazinghand
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Guys, I'd like everyone to vote, today. It's okay if you change your vote later. But I want everyone to vote on whoever their best read is asap. Votes are what make people accountable to motives and facts. Lay down your vote and justify it. It's okay if you're not 100% sure; you can always change your vote. The longer we wait to start doing this, the more advantage the mafia has in producing last-minute confusion.
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Blazinghand
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Thanks for the voting, BByte and Grack. I can't wait to leap into some fun discussions about this. Still waiting on votes from Jay and Hassy.
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Blazinghand
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As of this post, there is 1 day and 30 minutes remaining. If we want to have enough time for everyone across the timezones to make their votes and see others and respond, we need to start voting now. More votes plz
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Blazinghand
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BKEXE: You're making an argument referred to as "Wine In Front of Me", a reference to the princess bride.
Obviously your mistakes absolve you from being mafia, since you wouldn't make mistakes if you were mafia, right? Take a moment to imagine how you would view someone else making this argument, and you'll realize that, even if it's true, it's not very persuasive. At all.
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Blazinghand
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On December 05 2011 09:38 BroodKingEXE wrote:
That was dumb I totally forgot that the vote was on the 6th.
There are 24 hours and 20 minutes left until the deadline. Vote now for your chief scumread, and change your vote later if you change your mind. I want to know who you're voting for.
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Blazinghand
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On December 05 2011 10:28 Velinath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 10:21 BroodKingEXE wrote:Hassy if you need evidence read this: On December 05 2011 01:38 Adam4167 wrote:On December 04 2011 21:39 Tunkeg wrote:
So are you trying to establish yourself as a boring townie by not posting anything or what?
Adam, a couple of questions for you:
What is your thoughts on Blazinghand's aggressiveness? How do you perceive him thus far? Is his play pro-town or anti-town?
Any thoughts on xsksc's play? Is he a key player in this game? If he is scum, what effect will that have on the game? If my lack of posting thus far has crowned me as a boring townie, I guess it’s a mantle I’ll wear; I had a Sunday off and decided to go out drinking. My thoughts on Blazinghands aggression so far is that I feel he is trying to generate discussion. However, I question whether he is trying too hard to establish himself as a townie by his badgering. This, coupled with his apparent buddy-buddy relationship with Velinath has me keeping a close eye on both of them as I find it strange that they are apparently “BFF’s” after only 12 hours of play. So to directly answer your question, Tunkeg, I find his behaviour suspicious and erring on the side of Anti-town. This is the main reason I want to vote for adam, when I first read this I realized that BH had only made four votes. The evidence he includes to back his statement is wrong, so that means that the statement although long as hastily thought out, not paying attention to what is going on, and therefore contributing as a towns member 5 separate votes in 12 hours is akin to spam and is just leading the town around in circles, rather than focusing on any one target. Xsksc is someone I’m more familiar with after close examination of the Newbie Mini Mafia thread. So far he has begun discussion, scolded Blazinghands reckless aggression and defended himself well when called out. Is he a key player in the game? Not yet, but neither is anyone else. This is also a bogus statement. He says that there are no major players in the game when he points out above that BH voted for half the players. To me that is a major move in itself. If he had read the forum at all he would have seen that BH has gotten the majority of players, including myself, to speak Is he pro-town? All signs are pointing towards yes. If he turns out to be mafia, id hope to think we can still catch him out and hang him even with his greater mafia experience over us. On December 04 2011 16:03 Blazinghand wrote:
Adam has correctly noted that there are no no-lynches in his sole post. Helpful, but not enormously so. Also, he's certainly awake since he's Australian. I'm gonna slap my vote on him and wait for him to contribute some more. Maybe he's eating or out or something, but hopefully this will get more than 1 post
Adam, I'd like to see you contributing to the discussion more. I'm heading to bed relatively soon, but when I wake up I hope to see a new post from you.
##Vote Adam4167
I don't necessarily think you're scum or that other people should vote for you, but you've only made one post, and that's simply not good enough.
Hurry up. As previously stated, I went out drinking. And after I finish this post, I'm going to need at least 6 hours to sleep it off. I feel that by flinging your vote in every direction, you have cheapened the weight of your vote when you eventually do decide to settle on a target. I also feel the need to point out again that you have had 5 separate votes in 12 hours, which is almost half of the players participating.You’ve caught my attention Blazinghand, don’t slip =). Thanks, that's enough justification for me. I appreciate the explanation, and what jaybrundage said goes right along with that. ##Unvote: BroodKingEXE
If your'e unvoting BKEXE, who are you voting for?
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Blazinghand
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On December 05 2011 10:40 ElectricBlack wrote:
I'd be much more comfortable lynching Hassybaby than any of the current candidates. I need to go to sleep now (it's well past midnight over here), I'll give details as for why this is in the morning.
No. Vote. Don't wait, don't delay-- it's anti-town to do so. Cast your vote, even if you don't have time to explain.
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Blazinghand
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On December 05 2011 10:42 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 10:40 ElectricBlack wrote:
I'd be much more comfortable lynching Hassybaby than any of the current candidates. I need to go to sleep now (it's well past midnight over here), I'll give details as for why this is in the morning. No. Vote. Don't wait, don't delay-- it's anti-town to do so. Cast your vote, even if you don't have time to explain.
Actually, this delay is more anti-town than Adam's amazing inactivity. It's anti-worthful, rather than just worthless.
##Vote ElectricBlack
Vote or die.
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Blazinghand
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To clarify, ElectricBlack CLAIMS to have good evidence/details to lynching HassyBaby, and not only does he refuse to give this information in a timely fashion for those of us in different time zones, he won't even vote. He has well earned my vote, and deserves yours as well.
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Blazinghand
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On December 05 2011 10:46 Grackaroni wrote:
Why is not voting anti-town?
Because we need to discuss thigns and we have less than a day left. AND , from his point of view, he thinks Hassybaby is mafia, and wants to vote for him... but won't. IF he has good evidence, I want it now. Otherwise, this sounds exactly like scum trying to throw away a vote. He's actively subverting us getting people's votes out in the open. He is anti-town.
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Blazinghand
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On December 05 2011 10:47 Velinath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 10:43 Blazinghand wrote:On December 05 2011 10:42 Blazinghand wrote:On December 05 2011 10:40 ElectricBlack wrote:
I'd be much more comfortable lynching Hassybaby than any of the current candidates. I need to go to sleep now (it's well past midnight over here), I'll give details as for why this is in the morning. No. Vote. Don't wait, don't delay-- it's anti-town to do so. Cast your vote, even if you don't have time to explain. Actually, this delay is more anti-town than Adam's amazing inactivity. It's anti-worthful, rather than just worthless. ##Vote ElectricBlackVote or die. I disagree with this. He's made a stance, and he'll post information when he has time. I'm okay with that. If he doesn't post his reasoning, then I'll be concerned, but for now I'm willing to wait for that. My point is that he has said who he'd be comfortable voting for.
He said he's comfortable voting for Hassybaby, but he's obviously not-- he didn't take the 2-3 seconds to type in his vote. He's leading us by the nose. He's hiding behind the excuse of sleep to avoid an explanation, which I might buy. But to avoid slapping down a simple vote? No, this isn't normal. this is anti-town and I will not stand for it.
Think about it-- if he's town, his actions don't make sense at all. Why not slap down the vote? If he's mafia his actions make perfect sense.
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Blazinghand
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Let's take look at the possibilities here:
EB and Adam both scum: EB is trying to avoid voting for Adam
EB Scum and Adam Town: EB is trying to delay voting and trying to add uncertainty to the vote to create more noise and make it more difficult to see who's being helpful and who's not during this vote, interfering in town cohesion.
EB Town: EB is a terrible townie who, while he may not have time to share his information, apparently has time to vaguely hint at it, and while he claims to feel comfortable making a vote, actually isn't so.
I think EB is scum or an unrealistically, unbelievably bad townie, and we'll be better off without him.
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Blazinghand
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On December 05 2011 10:58 ElectricBlack wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 10:50 Blazinghand wrote:On December 05 2011 10:47 Velinath wrote:On December 05 2011 10:43 Blazinghand wrote:On December 05 2011 10:42 Blazinghand wrote:On December 05 2011 10:40 ElectricBlack wrote:
I'd be much more comfortable lynching Hassybaby than any of the current candidates. I need to go to sleep now (it's well past midnight over here), I'll give details as for why this is in the morning. No. Vote. Don't wait, don't delay-- it's anti-town to do so. Cast your vote, even if you don't have time to explain. Actually, this delay is more anti-town than Adam's amazing inactivity. It's anti-worthful, rather than just worthless. ##Vote ElectricBlackVote or die. I disagree with this. He's made a stance, and he'll post information when he has time. I'm okay with that. If he doesn't post his reasoning, then I'll be concerned, but for now I'm willing to wait for that. My point is that he has said who he'd be comfortable voting for. He said he's comfortable voting for Hassybaby, but he's obviously not-- he didn't take the 2-3 seconds to type in his vote. He's leading us by the nose. He's hiding behind the excuse of sleep to avoid an explanation, which I might buy. But to avoid slapping down a simple vote? No, this isn't normal. this is anti-town and I will not stand for it. Think about it-- if he's town, his actions don't make sense at all. Why not slap down the vote? If he's mafia his actions make perfect sense. Now I'm not gonna vote him until the morning just to spite you. I will vote in my own time when I can explain in detail why and how I came to the conclusion. In addition I still have a few people to read up on and form an opinion on, so I might not even end up voting Hassybaby when it comes to it.
On December 05 2011 10:59 ElectricBlack wrote:
No.
Good night.
Ladies and gentlemen, case closed. EB's just trying to spite me? Trying to spite THE TOWN? We need him out. He's worse than a lurker.
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Like, even if he feels some personal animosity for me, he's actively refusing to even pretend to contribute. If he can't put the town ahead of some minor personal thing (something that other townies like EY and myself have been able to do) he's either mafia or an anti-town townie. I'm gonna go through his filter and see if I can find anything at all useful that he's said. This shouldn't take too long.
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Blazinghand
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The case for ElectricBlack
On December 04 2011 20:38 ElectricBlack wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 13:17 Blazinghand wrote:On December 04 2011 13:10 Velinath wrote:
Blazinghand:
Let's implement Lynch All Lurkers conditionally. If we have a case on someone else in the thread, we should use those lynches above a lurker lynch. If we have no good cases on anyone who's been actively posting, THEN lynch a lurker. Yes, lurking is anti-town, but we should be more focused on scumhunting from posts in the thread. Lynching people who are actively trying to misdirect the town should be a better option, right?
(Given that, we may want to look at lynching a lurker today, if any remain by tomorrow (that's tomorrow in real time, by the way). I doubt we'll have any strong cases built by the end of day 1.) You say that like we all have to be in perfect agreement. You have the freedom to implement LALurkers conditionally in your own actions. Barring a good case on a Mafia member, though, I will lynch a lurker. ##Vote Electricblackhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291067&user=235503ElectricBlack literally hasn't posted. ElectricBlack, come out and start talking, or I see no reason to change my vote. That being said, if you come by and start contributing, I see no reason to vote for you :D I'm mostly doing this to get you out here and helping.So hurry up. What kind of a bullshit vote is this. If you're gonna attack me for not posting, do it in a way that actually has even a slight chance of putting any kind of fear into me. If you explicitly state your pressure targets can get rid of your votes easily, then there is no pressure, and thus no dire need to respond to the situation. Next time you pressure me or anyone else, convince me that you'd be willing to hang me. Only when threatened with death do people actually respond in the way you want them up. Don't include a get out of jail free card in your post. Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 15:04 xsksc wrote:
Blazinghand, don't be so trigger-happy.
Day 1 always starts like this, we have nothing to talk about so we create discussions. People aren't posting because there's no meangingful discussion going on. I got some going about policy lynches, we've discussed that to death though. Nobody is "lurking" right now because there is no meaningful discussion going on. Why not? Despite his methods being somewhat flawed, he's doing a helluvalot better job than the rest of town in creating discussion. Only problem with him is that he's not convincing enough in his voting spree. If I was scum I'd actually feel pretty safe ignoring him. However, it seems likely he is town, unless he has a really good scumcoach, because I'm not sure scum would draw all this attention to themselves right out of the gates.
Some harsh criticism for my methods, and this is what he says: "convince me that you'd be willing to hang me. Only when threatened with death do people resopnd in the way you want them"
(note: I'd already unvoted him at the time of his post On December 04 2011 14:20 Blazinghand wrote:
##Unvote ElectricBlack
So, he says that i'm doing a good job, but that my method is ineffective. He then contributes nothing else to the thread until this gem...
On December 05 2011 10:16 ElectricBlack wrote:
Lurking is not the same thing as simply being unavailable, which is what has been stopping me from posting today.
I'm catching up with the thread at the moment. I'm going to read extensively up on the current lynch targets and see if I agree with any of them.
Equivocation. Nothing useful here.
And now for his famous non-vote:
On December 05 2011 10:40 ElectricBlack wrote:
I'd be much more comfortable lynching Hassybaby than any of the current candidates. I need to go to sleep now (it's well past midnight over here), I'll give details as for why this is in the morning.
Why no explanation? okay, it's late. Lateness happens. But not time for a vote? why the stalling? Why not lay down a vote and put your money where your mouth is? Why delay, when we have many people in different time zones? We already have enough trouble coordinating as it is.,,
So, you know what? I do what he told me would get results. I threaten him with death, as HE CLAIMED is the best way to convince people...
On December 05 2011 10:58 ElectricBlack wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 10:50 Blazinghand wrote:On December 05 2011 10:47 Velinath wrote:On December 05 2011 10:43 Blazinghand wrote:On December 05 2011 10:42 Blazinghand wrote:On December 05 2011 10:40 ElectricBlack wrote:
I'd be much more comfortable lynching Hassybaby than any of the current candidates. I need to go to sleep now (it's well past midnight over here), I'll give details as for why this is in the morning. No. Vote. Don't wait, don't delay-- it's anti-town to do so. Cast your vote, even if you don't have time to explain. Actually, this delay is more anti-town than Adam's amazing inactivity. It's anti-worthful, rather than just worthless. ##Vote ElectricBlackVote or die. I disagree with this. He's made a stance, and he'll post information when he has time. I'm okay with that. If he doesn't post his reasoning, then I'll be concerned, but for now I'm willing to wait for that. My point is that he has said who he'd be comfortable voting for. He said he's comfortable voting for Hassybaby, but he's obviously not-- he didn't take the 2-3 seconds to type in his vote. He's leading us by the nose. He's hiding behind the excuse of sleep to avoid an explanation, which I might buy. But to avoid slapping down a simple vote? No, this isn't normal. this is anti-town and I will not stand for it. Think about it-- if he's town, his actions don't make sense at all. Why not slap down the vote? If he's mafia his actions make perfect sense. Now I'm not gonna vote him until the morning just to spite you. I will vote in my own time when I can explain in detail why and how I came to the conclusion. In addition I still have a few people to read up on and form an opinion on, so I might not even end up voting Hassybaby when it comes to it.
And apparently, his method of convincing doesn't work-- on himself. And when someone asks politely?
On December 05 2011 10:59 ElectricBlack wrote:
No.
Good night.
This is clearly stalling, refusing to even lay down a vote, but willing to aggressively lead us along. This is anti-town. He is inconsistent with himself about what he thinks I should do, and what he does.
He's either scum or a terrible player. Vote ElectricBlack and our town will be better.
I am sure of this.
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Blazinghand
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On December 05 2011 11:17 BroodKingEXE wrote:Hey BH what is up with this? Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 10:46 Blazinghand wrote:
To clarify, ElectricBlack CLAIMS to have good evidence/details to lynching HassyBaby, and not only does he refuse to give this information in a timely fashion for those of us in different time zones, he won't even vote. He has well earned my vote, and deserves yours as well. You neglected to mention this fact until after EB refused to vote. Are you holding back any other pieces of information?
What? how could I possibly know he wasn't going to vote before he refused to vote? >.>
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On December 05 2011 11:28 Grackaroni wrote:
He seems like an emotional and useless townie to me.
We still have some time before the lynch, I'm going to wait for more posts from both Adam/EB before I'm sure about my vote but for now I'm going to leave it on Adam
Unfortunately, there's not much more to be said about EB due to his low post count, but after dinner I'll do some analysis on Adam's posting so far, since I DID vote for him initially.
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On December 05 2011 11:33 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2011 11:30 Blazinghand wrote:On December 05 2011 11:28 Grackaroni wrote:
He seems like an emotional and useless townie to me.
We still have some time before the lynch, I'm going to wait for more posts from both Adam/EB before I'm sure about my vote but for now I'm going to leave it on Adam Unfortunately, there's not much more to be said about EB due to his low post count, but after dinner I'll do some analysis on Adam's posting so far, since I DID vote for him initially. Yeah that's why it's such a hard decision between them. Right now I feel like Adam is more likely to flip scum and that EB will flip shitty townie.
It's possible EB is a fool and not a knave; but if he is a fool he's enough of one to appear a knave, and flagrantly so.
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