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On November 26 2011 07:20 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 07:02 Risen wrote:On November 26 2011 06:47 wherebugsgo wrote:
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Can you explain what specifically you saw in sandro's posts that makes you think he is 90% town?
SNIP Sure thing. Ok so... 1) He saw someone being sketchy and told him that he didn't want his vote without more justification, which isn't scummy imo. Then again, maybe he just doesn't want to be outed, so that isn't to anti-scummy behavior, but it kind of is imo. 2) He listed out how to properly DT in this game, which seems pretty anti-scum to me. Then again his post was a lot of common sense, but it's still helpful. 3) He's going to lynch sinani206 day 1, and this is my first TL mafia game so his justification seems pretty strong to me As for the 10% scum, I just didn't like how he's handling the BC situation, as referenced earlier. It doesn't mean he's scum, it's just the thing that tips it to Palmar for me atm. Do you understand how DTs work in this game? Did you read my post about the sinani lynch?
Let's try to be all nice okay?
He came in here explaining, you asked for another explanation and he did so. I'm not saying I'm believing what he said to be right because frankly I think some of the things he mentioned are at least up to discussion.
I don't think he knows himself how dts should work in this game, neither do I. At least I still benefits for both scenarios and I just happen to think a big newbygame the directed one is better. Still I'm nowhere as good as most vets here so I can't back it up.
Let's put it that way. Asking the way you did just isn't the way you should ask someone who came here in a thread with 66 pages full of text while not being a vet himself imo. People just might get this wrong.
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Mig is the greatest human being on Earth.
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On November 26 2011 07:44 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 07:20 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 26 2011 07:02 Risen wrote:On November 26 2011 06:47 wherebugsgo wrote:
SNIP
Can you explain what specifically you saw in sandro's posts that makes you think he is 90% town?
SNIP Sure thing. Ok so... 1) He saw someone being sketchy and told him that he didn't want his vote without more justification, which isn't scummy imo. Then again, maybe he just doesn't want to be outed, so that isn't to anti-scummy behavior, but it kind of is imo. 2) He listed out how to properly DT in this game, which seems pretty anti-scum to me. Then again his post was a lot of common sense, but it's still helpful. 3) He's going to lynch sinani206 day 1, and this is my first TL mafia game so his justification seems pretty strong to me As for the 10% scum, I just didn't like how he's handling the BC situation, as referenced earlier. It doesn't mean he's scum, it's just the thing that tips it to Palmar for me atm. Do you understand how DTs work in this game? Did you read my post about the sinani lynch? Let's try to be all nice okay? He came in here explaining, you asked for another explanation and he did so. I'm not saying I'm believing what he said to be right because frankly I think some of the things he mentioned are at least up to discussion. I don't think he knows himself how dts should work in this game, neither do I. At least I still benefits for both scenarios and I just happen to think a big newbygame the directed one is better. Still I'm nowhere as good as most vets here so I can't back it up. Let's put it that way. Asking the way you did just isn't the way you should ask someone who came here in a thread with 66 pages full of text while not being a vet himself imo. People just might get this wrong.
I asked him two questions, I'm not attacking him.
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Also yes, Jay and I are, infact, the same person. Wasn't it obvious?
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Regarding a sinani day 1 lynch:
seriously why?
from all assesments of his "meta" and even by his own admission sinani frequently gets lynched day 1! if a player get lynched then people must have been able to make a case to lynch him, so that people would lynch him. so if a player is lynched frequently then people must have been able to make a case to lynch him frequently.
surely this means that analysis about why we should lynch him day1 is an indicator that:
1)he is playing in a way that is consistent with the way he has played in past games
2)any case against sinani is easy to make
3)any case (on day1) against sinani is worth very little
i would therefore be suspicious of a player that makes a case against sinani
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On November 26 2011 07:51 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 07:44 Toadesstern wrote:On November 26 2011 07:20 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 26 2011 07:02 Risen wrote:On November 26 2011 06:47 wherebugsgo wrote:
SNIP
Can you explain what specifically you saw in sandro's posts that makes you think he is 90% town?
SNIP Sure thing. Ok so... 1) He saw someone being sketchy and told him that he didn't want his vote without more justification, which isn't scummy imo. Then again, maybe he just doesn't want to be outed, so that isn't to anti-scummy behavior, but it kind of is imo. 2) He listed out how to properly DT in this game, which seems pretty anti-scum to me. Then again his post was a lot of common sense, but it's still helpful. 3) He's going to lynch sinani206 day 1, and this is my first TL mafia game so his justification seems pretty strong to me As for the 10% scum, I just didn't like how he's handling the BC situation, as referenced earlier. It doesn't mean he's scum, it's just the thing that tips it to Palmar for me atm. Do you understand how DTs work in this game? Did you read my post about the sinani lynch? Let's try to be all nice okay? He came in here explaining, you asked for another explanation and he did so. I'm not saying I'm believing what he said to be right because frankly I think some of the things he mentioned are at least up to discussion. I don't think he knows himself how dts should work in this game, neither do I. At least I still benefits for both scenarios and I just happen to think a big newbygame the directed one is better. Still I'm nowhere as good as most vets here so I can't back it up. Let's put it that way. Asking the way you did just isn't the way you should ask someone who came here in a thread with 66 pages full of text while not being a vet himself imo. People just might get this wrong. I asked him two questions, I'm not attacking him.
yeah I just got the feeling he might get this wrong. Just writing 3 lines or whatever to show that you think different on that matter would have worked as well. I just got a feeling this game is really hard for newer players and if you question him that way you're not going to make it easier. But maybe it's just me and I felt that it may be interpreted as being mean.
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sinani is an incredibly easy mislynch to pull off.
sinani started the game trying to be helpful, he wanted to take charge. Sadly, everyone yelled at him and called him dumb and told him to stfu, so he started to act frustrated and troll and got a "fuck this game" attitude. He just looks like annoyed town to me.
I still think prplz is scum and don't like how he disappeared.
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NEVER lynch Sinani.
Thats like lynching me.
and town loses when i get lynched
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On November 26 2011 08:03 redFF wrote:
sinani is an incredibly easy mislynch to pull off.
sinani started the game trying to be helpful, he wanted to take charge. Sadly, everyone yelled at him and called him dumb and told him to stfu, so he started to act frustrated and troll and got a "fuck this game" attitude. He just looks like annoyed town to me.
I still think prplz is scum and don't like how he disappeared.
K, this angle does make sense. I shall reconsider.
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sinani, no more trolling please. This thread is already huge enough as is.
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On November 26 2011 08:13 Kenpachi wrote:
NEVER lynch Sinani.
Thats like lynching me.
and town loses when i get lynched
Amazing logic -.-
To be honest I'm not sure why everyone is jumping on this Sinani lynch band wagon hes posted nothing really that major, just a bunch of one liners really that don't add to anything ><.
On November 25 2011 07:22 sinani206 wrote:Why not to vote for Palmar - Almost always wins as Mafia
- Unlynchable
- Too persuasive
- Shoots DTs
- Too popular (scumwagon?)
- Wanted to kill person who was opposing his campaign (Youngminii) (Why is that in town's best interests?)
The only reasonable thing he posted was this, which in my opinion makes sense especially the first line, which worries me about Palmer, but no one else seems be putting forth such a strong Mayor campaign as he is...
I still have my doubt about Palmer but I wouldn't know who else to vote for =/.
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Voted Palmar in favour of DT plan and he has been the most active out of all candidates plus provided ample analysis on several players.
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On November 26 2011 07:51 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 07:44 Toadesstern wrote:On November 26 2011 07:20 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 26 2011 07:02 Risen wrote:On November 26 2011 06:47 wherebugsgo wrote:
SNIP
Can you explain what specifically you saw in sandro's posts that makes you think he is 90% town?
SNIP Sure thing. Ok so... 1) He saw someone being sketchy and told him that he didn't want his vote without more justification, which isn't scummy imo. Then again, maybe he just doesn't want to be outed, so that isn't to anti-scummy behavior, but it kind of is imo. 2) He listed out how to properly DT in this game, which seems pretty anti-scum to me. Then again his post was a lot of common sense, but it's still helpful. 3) He's going to lynch sinani206 day 1, and this is my first TL mafia game so his justification seems pretty strong to me As for the 10% scum, I just didn't like how he's handling the BC situation, as referenced earlier. It doesn't mean he's scum, it's just the thing that tips it to Palmar for me atm. Do you understand how DTs work in this game? Did you read my post about the sinani lynch? Let's try to be all nice okay? He came in here explaining, you asked for another explanation and he did so. I'm not saying I'm believing what he said to be right because frankly I think some of the things he mentioned are at least up to discussion. I don't think he knows himself how dts should work in this game, neither do I. At least I still benefits for both scenarios and I just happen to think a big newbygame the directed one is better. Still I'm nowhere as good as most vets here so I can't back it up. Let's put it that way. Asking the way you did just isn't the way you should ask someone who came here in a thread with 66 pages full of text while not being a vet himself imo. People just might get this wrong. I asked him two questions, I'm not attacking him.
No worries, I didn't view it as an attack.
On November 26 2011 07:20 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 07:02 Risen wrote:On November 26 2011 06:47 wherebugsgo wrote:
SNIP
Can you explain what specifically you saw in sandro's posts that makes you think he is 90% town?
SNIP Sure thing. Ok so... 1) He saw someone being sketchy and told him that he didn't want his vote without more justification, which isn't scummy imo. Then again, maybe he just doesn't want to be outed, so that isn't to anti-scummy behavior, but it kind of is imo. 2) He listed out how to properly DT in this game, which seems pretty anti-scum to me. Then again his post was a lot of common sense, but it's still helpful. 3) He's going to lynch sinani206 day 1, and this is my first TL mafia game so his justification seems pretty strong to me As for the 10% scum, I just didn't like how he's handling the BC situation, as referenced earlier. It doesn't mean he's scum, it's just the thing that tips it to Palmar for me atm. Do you understand how DTs work in this game? Did you read my post about the sinani lynch?
Onwards. Hmm..
I have no idea how I missed your post on DTs, and I apologize for this oversight. Your post on how the DTs should operate was a good one, but I don't see how it contradicts with Sandroba's regardless of his alignment. Explain? I am not referring to his later arguments when I say this, only his original post with bolded The correct way to use DTs this game.
And regarding the sinani lynch, half his posts are America Fuck Yeah! and the other half are simple responses (not quite true, but close enough). I just feel like he's maintaining so he can stall. As the thread has developed there are probably better mayor lynch targets, but I still feel like he just wants to sit around and vote/activate night powerz, scum behavior right?
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On November 26 2011 08:50 Risen wrote:
And regarding the sinani lynch, half his posts are America Fuck Yeah! and the other half are simple responses (not quite true, but close enough). I just feel like he's maintaining so he can stall. As the thread has developed there are probably better mayor lynch targets, but I still feel like he just wants to sit around and vote/activate night powerz, scum behavior right?
Yeh I guess that makes sense, but surely he would just try and attract as little attention to himself as possible if he wanted to activate his night powers, rather than all these nonsensicle posts hes writing and run for mayor?
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I do not support Palmar's plan. I understand why other people support it, but I do not. It makes too many unnecessary sacrifices.
Even if you do support his plan, that doesn't mean you have to vote him for mayor. His plan wont suddenly be more or less effective if he is elected. The election only gives him 3 extra votes, and opportunity for a double-lynch. That's too much power that he doesn't deserve. No one is confirmed town or scum.
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Some thoughts as I was catching up in the thread:
On November 26 2011 01:21 annul wrote:
specifically i want you to tell me what you think of palmar's play overall and how it may be different in this game. so far i have seen "omfg he is amazing at herding sheep" and "his towns win like some large percentage like 80% of the time" and "do not trust a word he says ever" and all sorts of shit. i have never seen this guy before. he proclaims to be good. details go go
I wasn't that crazy about him being mayor at first because his style is pretty aggressive and emotional, and I don't want a player like that running the show. But he's acted, well, like a leader so far this game, and he's held himself back. He might have improved a bit since I last played with him.
I'll probably vote for him or BC at this point.
On November 26 2011 02:28 deconduo wrote:
Pretty sure WBG, Palmar and Sandroba are mafia, but thats just off gut reads. BC's plan is dumb, dunno why he's still defending it. It won't work. LAL is dumb, don't do it. Mafia are going to take out the veterans early, need medic protection for:
kitaman27, sandroba, Jackal58, Palmar, prplhz, deconduo, Coagulation, BloodyC0bbler, supersoft, annul.
Annnul can you run for mayor pls, you're better than all the other candidates.
Decon is scum. Annul, I love you buddy, but given the spammy nature of the last game me and decon played with you (insane 2 if i recall correctly) I don't think decon would think you'd be better than all the other candidates. What Decon is doing here is trying to get another name in the race to siphon votes.
On November 26 2011 03:51 Kurumi wrote:
scratch the comment about supersoft not being on the list, fuck my reading skills
where's tnkted Ciryandor and syllogism? Heck, even Nisani?
I'm right here!
On November 26 2011 07:52 Erandorr wrote:
Also yes, Jay and I are, infact, the same person. Wasn't it obvious?
![[image loading]](http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f284/EPHorn/not-sure-if-serious.jpg)
Also, I'm not sure who originally brought this up, but people that seem to think that mafia is going to be vet stacked are retarded. GM might be known for not RNGing his teams, but this is an 80 effing person game, and hes not hosting it by himself. How do you even know he was the mod that was assigning roles? Wiggles or iGrok could have done that, and both of them are known for RNG. So assuming that the teams WEREN'T Rng'd is stupid.
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Oh, and any mayor canidate that is saying they will kill siani or youngmini d1 are also stupid. I guarrentee you that neither player is mafia. But both are good canidates to push a lynch on. Thats why they're under so much pressure.
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So if you think decon is scum and is trying to get another candidate to siphon votes, you must think palmar and sandroba likely aren't scum and thus you should be voting for them rather than bc/annul
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