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vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
December 02 2011 17:06 GMT
#4961
That is nothing close to being a toxx clause (bet clause). It bets nothing based on info he knows and therefore doesn't reveal things in a confirmed sense that breaks the game.
MarserBlood
Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands28 Posts
December 02 2011 17:10 GMT
#4962
On December 03 2011 01:58 Lanaia wrote:
Okay, can the dead people GTFO of the thread? It's kind of distracting.

Personally, I'm not sure if I want to accept the draw offer or not. I want to at least try to win otherwise I will feel like a failure, but I know the odds of that aren't in my favour.

Assuming a majority hasn't been reached, I'll be posting again after I get home from class. Slept in x.x


Problem is, town can't win without luck.
We need brilliant scumhunting AND luck with the PR's to win the game.
Since this game is supposed to be about analysis and deduction, it's a bit of a shame to keep playing for (maybe) 3 more weeks without having the chance to win only with good scumhunting.
I therefore think it's better for everyone to vote for draw, so we can start a new game that is going to be fun again.

So if it makes you feel better, losing due to luck isn't failling in my opinion.
ey215
Profile Joined June 2010
United States546 Posts
December 02 2011 17:11 GMT
#4963
Well crap, I'm in bed sick for a day and this is what I come back to? That modkill list sucks. I'll go with the majority on whether to go on and call it a draw and move on.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
December 02 2011 17:11 GMT
#4964
An example would be if he had said, "I am town and will give 50 dollars to x person to hold until the end game. If I flip scum x person can keep the money."

That is the most abusive form of breaking the rule in question and I gave it as an example to help make it clear what the goal of the rule is.
Serejai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
6007 Posts
December 02 2011 17:17 GMT
#4965
I have to second the consistency thing... not because of what redFF posted, but because

a) Risen was modkilled for editing a post but risk.nuke also edited a post and was not modkilled
b) Multiple inactive players have not been modkilled while others have
c) Replacements seem manipulated. It's hard to believe that with all these inactive modkills not a single one has been mafia yet. The odds of that are just extremely low
I HAVE 5 TOAST POINTS
Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
December 02 2011 17:32 GMT
#4966
On December 03 2011 02:17 Serejai wrote:
I have to second the consistency thing... not because of what redFF posted, but because

a) Risen was modkilled for editing a post but risk.nuke also edited a post and was not modkilled
b) Multiple inactive players have not been modkilled while others have
c) Replacements seem manipulated. It's hard to believe that with all these inactive modkills not a single one has been mafia yet. The odds of that are just extremely low


I agree with this.
<3 If you chase a mirage, the desert will swallow you.
Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
December 02 2011 17:32 GMT
#4967
Holy hell I just agreed with Serejai...
<3 If you chase a mirage, the desert will swallow you.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
December 02 2011 17:33 GMT
#4968
I agree as well.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
December 02 2011 17:43 GMT
#4969
We seriously need an ethics investigation on some of these mods post-game.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 02 2011 17:44 GMT
#4970
On November 30 2011 07:32 vaderseven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 07:26 annul wrote:
by the way...

there should be 144 total votes cast (69 * 2 + 6 for mayor). there are currently 97. we are likely to have ~20 modkills if people dont get their shit in in the next 4.5 hours.


lol thats awful. I dont even know what to say.

This game was almost certainlly balanced for 80 people which means this much inactive town pretty much is gg with no effort ezmode for scum.



In this quote you slipped that the modkills would be town, now you agree that the replacements must be scum?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
December 02 2011 17:49 GMT
#4971
Not a single modkill being scum actually isn't terribly surprising. Mafia tend to be more interested in the game than vanilla townies, so they stick around.

Even if that means posting one liners and only voting randomly they still stick around.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
December 02 2011 17:52 GMT
#4972
I didn't look at the list I just saw the number of inactives. That many inactive ruins games without mod kills even.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
December 02 2011 17:55 GMT
#4973
Even if every Mafia was lurking that is 4 that would be modkilled and I doubted there would be 16 lurking scum.

Duh.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
December 02 2011 17:59 GMT
#4974
what's unfortunate about this is no one really learned anything about how to play mafia...especially not the scum.

Townies will learn something from the cases that were posted day 1 and day 2 and the mistakes they made. What will scum learn? Probably nothing.

IMO this should serve as a message why activity is so damn important for towns. As long as TL players continue to go inactive due to ADD or whatever causes them to flake after 24 hours, TL towns will pay the price. Town play as a whole isn't bad; when townies here are active and play decently, scumteams get wrecked because none of them actually know how to handle a good town.

vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
December 02 2011 18:01 GMT
#4975
Save post game for postgame IMO!
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
December 02 2011 18:02 GMT
#4976
Player: Soap
Verdict: Scum


Soap is a first-time player. He opens with
+ Show Spoiler +

On November 26 2011 10:44 Soap wrote:
Ugh, there's so little information and scum are free to bury any tell under piles of nonsense and fingerpointing, as I'm sure it's being done. This will be most valuable in retrospective and I feel town should simulate a close vote to entice mafia to root for their candidate(s), but Palmer flew away in the popularity contest. So I'm protest voting for sinani206.

On November 26 2011 12:17 Soap wrote:
That is: use the [ date] tag
Show nested quote +
[ date]June 22 2010 12:00 GMT[ /date]
Tuesday, Jun 22 9:00am BRT (GMT-03:00)
Converts a date to the viewers timezone.

On November 26 2011 12:15 Soap wrote:
Use the [unparsable timestamp format]
Tuesday, Jun 22 9:00am BRT (GMT-03:00)
Converts a date to the viewers timezone.



Worthless posts. Note how he's trying to appear helpful without actually adding anything to the discussion. WBG and Palmer call him out for this. WBG mostly says he's a useless lurker. His responses:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 27 2011 11:52 Soap wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 11:05 wherebugsgo wrote:
3. Soap

One game-relevant post. Two posts about timestamps. Useless.

Again, an excellent lurker-bane shot.


Sorry if I didn't make myself clear in my first post. As a newbie I know nothing metagame, which is about everything this early. If I go out of my way to catch up with the veterans, bad analysis would harm town and good analysis would make mafia drop me in ten seconds flat. Once we have actual hard data to put against what I'm witnessing first hand I can make myself useful.

On November 27 2011 12:19 Soap wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 11:56 Palmar wrote:
On November 27 2011 11:52 Soap wrote:
On November 27 2011 11:05 wherebugsgo wrote:
3. Soap

One game-relevant post. Two posts about timestamps. Useless.

Again, an excellent lurker-bane shot.


Sorry if I didn't make myself clear in my first post. As a newbie I know nothing metagame, which is about everything this early. If I go out of my way to catch up with the veterans, bad analysis would harm town and good analysis would make mafia drop me in ten seconds flat. Once we have actual hard data to put against what I'm witnessing first hand I can make myself useful.



You say the bolded part as if it's a bad thing...

Always, always, always be open and transparent. If you haven't noticed yet I'm being super lenient with newbies this game, I always give them the benefit of the doubt. I call their logic bad without calling them scum, so even if you do stupid shit, you're not fucked, as long as you're willing to improve.


Uh, you mean I should volunteer to be sacrificial lamb? If I do stupid shit mafia would rather have me alive.

Excuses, no commitment, and most of all, no real attempts to do anything useful.

And then, he's silent for a couple of days, before the "lol everyone swap votes at the last minute" debacle. He did not swap votes at the last minute, but he voted ahead of time, and this was he votes for Risen and WBG, 3 hours before deadline. He made no posts in the discussion thread at this point. In the aftermath of the voteswitch...

On December 01 2011 08:01 Soap wrote:
Funny thing is I was intent on doing a last minute vote change to Palmar and BC, but my internet went out for the second night in a row like 2 hours before the deadline. Would be a totally different game.

How did the tie between BC and zeks was broken?


So let's think about this for a moment. Worthless, spam votes hidden in 3rd and 4th-placing people. Complete lack of any attempt at discussion. Explaining his "internet outage" as the reason for his voting pattern, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME ADMITTING HE WAS PLANNING ON A LAST MINUTE VOTE CHANGE...

One more thing. Soap's internet was not broken on the night of Wednesday, November the 30th. No, not at all. If it was, it must have been broken for a very narrow timeframe.

It was working the night before at 8 pm:
On November 30 2011 08:42 Soap wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2011 13:38 Soap wrote:
##Vote: Hier
##Vote: wherebugsbo


Show nested quote +
On November 28 2011 14:25 Soap wrote:
##Unvote: Hier
##Vote: Ace


I unvoted Hier, not wbg

##Unvote: Ace
##Vote: Risen

And it was working on the December 1st at 3 am:
On December 01 2011 03:51 Soap wrote:
The link to this thread in the Fantasy page points to the previous one, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=215986


What this indicates to me is that Soap's internet was working just fine. Why's that? Look at his post. This isn't a "I literally just logged in and wrote this" post. This is a "I was doing something, found a link that was broken, and decided to write about it over here" post. Soap, my friends, was active and online that night. If, in fact, Soap's internet was broken, it was broken for an extremely short period of time-- starting sometime within a couple hours before the deadline and stretching until just after.

After being, well, characteristically helpful, Soap returns to the thread:
On December 02 2011 10:27 Soap wrote:
Hai!

I first voted sandroba for mayor because Palmar pushed him and that would be stupid if he was scum, then I got fed up with the shallow campaigns and voted sinani for the lulz. Then wbg took over the thread with mostly lists and OMGUS (spammer = scum amirite?) but noone else seemed to bother so I grew disinterested in posting, but I've been following closely.

Pleask ask if there's something else I could fill.

On December 02 2011 10:30 Soap wrote:
##Vote: wherebugsgo
##Vote: BloodyC0bbler


Soap is either scum and trying to subvert our vote, or lying about having read the thread, or he'd be voting the way everyone else is. HE claims that he's been voting "for the lulz" and that he's lurking, and that those of us who contribute are scum and he is silent because he's not.

I don't buy it. My body is not a sturdy cardboard cylinder. My head is not made out of hard, sweetened candy.

I am not a sucker.

Soap is scum.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
December 02 2011 18:04 GMT
#4977
Lol
Life can only kill you once.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
December 02 2011 18:07 GMT
#4978
Pro tip: when claiming your internet was broken, don't log into the site and post stuff ;_;
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
December 02 2011 18:07 GMT
#4979
On December 03 2011 03:07 Blazinghand wrote:
Pro tip: when claiming your internet was broken, don't log into the site and post stuff ;_;


EBWOP: ._.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
December 02 2011 18:09 GMT
#4980
I am not pro enough to see what you edited.

Decent find though!
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