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vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
December 02 2011 18:49 GMT
#5001
I don't want to play this out for multi weeks when the focus isn't scum hunting. What will win this is doc play.
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
December 02 2011 18:49 GMT
#5002
Ok, fuck peer pressure, I voted yes.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
December 02 2011 18:50 GMT
#5003
Steveling you're not even a townie how can you vote yes to the draw
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
December 02 2011 18:52 GMT
#5004
Don't bother wifoming it justcsay if you are for it or not and why and let the mod post results
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
December 02 2011 18:57 GMT
#5005
Hey mods you should post who votes what when all the votes are in <3
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
December 02 2011 18:58 GMT
#5006
So, does anyone have any comments on my analysis so far? Analysis of their own? yes?

On December 02 2011 16:31 Blazinghand wrote:
mcht (becomes marserblood)
verdict: terrible townie

He makes three posts total.
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2011 23:05 mcht wrote:
hey guys, first game of mafia ever

i think palmar is right about us having to do the first step/taking the first risk, if we just wait or dont trust anyone scum will win for sure, ignoring all posts he is 80% town, so if our chances of winning with palmar as town and everbody trusting him are better than 5:3 we're ok even if he wins everytime he is mafia, would that be realistic ?
especially in the beginning i think you can never be 100% sure about someone but the worst thing for town is to get stuck in only accusations flying around because someone could be mafia.
yeah everybody could be, that's the essence of this game but at some points in the game a rational portion of trust is required for town to win in my opinion, i read some games and saw a lot of townies ripping each other apart over semantics etc

so im voting palmar, he seems to be pretty active and operates on logic, not spouting too much nonsense :D
you should probably not rely on my analysis since it could be majorly flawed xD

First post is wishwash, dodging, noncommmital, claiming on analysis is flawed.
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On November 24 2011 23:25 mcht wrote:
if you have a fear of making a mistake, you're probably scum right ?

Show nested quote +
On November 24 2011 23:29 mcht wrote:
if you would be elected and you are scum, how would you say are towns chances of winning ?

Second and third Posts are both utterly worthless one-liners.

Normally, I'd say this is scum. However, it was his first game, and he literally posted all his game posts in the span of 20 minutes before leaving, never to be seen again. He's just terrible and never played before. When he comes back as MarserBlood he makes this post:
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On December 02 2011 12:59 MarserBlood wrote:
Hello everyone,
First time I play this game online and I replace one at a moment it's tough to win.
Will be reading up the last bit now.

GL & HF

Stalling for a lurk excuse, or typical noob? looks like typical noob to me.

Terrible Townie


On December 03 2011 03:02 Blazinghand wrote:
Player: Soap
Verdict: Scum


Soap is a first-time player. He opens with
+ Show Spoiler +

On November 26 2011 10:44 Soap wrote:
Ugh, there's so little information and scum are free to bury any tell under piles of nonsense and fingerpointing, as I'm sure it's being done. This will be most valuable in retrospective and I feel town should simulate a close vote to entice mafia to root for their candidate(s), but Palmer flew away in the popularity contest. So I'm protest voting for sinani206.

On November 26 2011 12:17 Soap wrote:
That is: use the [ date] tag
Show nested quote +
[ date]June 22 2010 12:00 GMT[ /date]
Tuesday, Jun 22 9:00am BRT (GMT-03:00)
Converts a date to the viewers timezone.

On November 26 2011 12:15 Soap wrote:
Use the [unparsable timestamp format]
Tuesday, Jun 22 9:00am BRT (GMT-03:00)
Converts a date to the viewers timezone.



Worthless posts. Note how he's trying to appear helpful without actually adding anything to the discussion. WBG and Palmer call him out for this. WBG mostly says he's a useless lurker. His responses:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 27 2011 11:52 Soap wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 11:05 wherebugsgo wrote:
3. Soap

One game-relevant post. Two posts about timestamps. Useless.

Again, an excellent lurker-bane shot.


Sorry if I didn't make myself clear in my first post. As a newbie I know nothing metagame, which is about everything this early. If I go out of my way to catch up with the veterans, bad analysis would harm town and good analysis would make mafia drop me in ten seconds flat. Once we have actual hard data to put against what I'm witnessing first hand I can make myself useful.

On November 27 2011 12:19 Soap wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 11:56 Palmar wrote:
On November 27 2011 11:52 Soap wrote:
On November 27 2011 11:05 wherebugsgo wrote:
3. Soap

One game-relevant post. Two posts about timestamps. Useless.

Again, an excellent lurker-bane shot.


Sorry if I didn't make myself clear in my first post. As a newbie I know nothing metagame, which is about everything this early. If I go out of my way to catch up with the veterans, bad analysis would harm town and good analysis would make mafia drop me in ten seconds flat. Once we have actual hard data to put against what I'm witnessing first hand I can make myself useful.



You say the bolded part as if it's a bad thing...

Always, always, always be open and transparent. If you haven't noticed yet I'm being super lenient with newbies this game, I always give them the benefit of the doubt. I call their logic bad without calling them scum, so even if you do stupid shit, you're not fucked, as long as you're willing to improve.


Uh, you mean I should volunteer to be sacrificial lamb? If I do stupid shit mafia would rather have me alive.

Excuses, no commitment, and most of all, no real attempts to do anything useful.

And then, he's silent for a couple of days, before the "lol everyone swap votes at the last minute" debacle. He did not swap votes at the last minute, but he voted ahead of time, and this was he votes for Risen and WBG, 3 hours before deadline. He made no posts in the discussion thread at this point. In the aftermath of the voteswitch...

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On December 01 2011 08:01 Soap wrote:
Funny thing is I was intent on doing a last minute vote change to Palmar and BC, but my internet went out for the second night in a row like 2 hours before the deadline. Would be a totally different game.

How did the tie between BC and zeks was broken?


So let's think about this for a moment. Worthless, spam votes hidden in 3rd and 4th-placing people. Complete lack of any attempt at discussion. Explaining his "internet outage" as the reason for his voting pattern, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME ADMITTING HE WAS PLANNING ON A LAST MINUTE VOTE CHANGE...

One more thing. Soap's internet was not broken on the night of Wednesday, November the 30th. No, not at all. If it was, it must have been broken for a very narrow timeframe.

It was working the night before at 8 pm:
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On November 30 2011 08:42 Soap wrote:
On November 28 2011 13:38 Soap wrote:
##Vote: Hier
##Vote: wherebugsbo


On November 28 2011 14:25 Soap wrote:
##Unvote: Hier
##Vote: Ace


I unvoted Hier, not wbg

##Unvote: Ace
##Vote: Risen

And it was working on the December 1st at 3 am:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2011 03:51 Soap wrote:
The link to this thread in the Fantasy page points to the previous one, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=215986


What this indicates to me is that Soap's internet was working just fine. Why's that? Look at his post. This isn't a "I literally just logged in and wrote this" post. This is a "I was doing something, found a link that was broken, and decided to write about it over here" post. Soap, my friends, was active and online that night. If, in fact, Soap's internet was broken, it was broken for an extremely short period of time-- starting sometime within a couple hours before the deadline and stretching until just after.

After being, well, characteristically helpful, Soap returns to the thread:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2011 10:27 Soap wrote:
Hai!

I first voted sandroba for mayor because Palmar pushed him and that would be stupid if he was scum, then I got fed up with the shallow campaigns and voted sinani for the lulz. Then wbg took over the thread with mostly lists and OMGUS (spammer = scum amirite?) but noone else seemed to bother so I grew disinterested in posting, but I've been following closely.

Pleask ask if there's something else I could fill.

Show nested quote +
On December 02 2011 10:30 Soap wrote:
##Vote: wherebugsgo
##Vote: BloodyC0bbler


Soap is either scum and trying to subvert our vote, or lying about having read the thread, or he'd be voting the way everyone else is. HE claims that he's been voting "for the lulz" and that he's lurking, and that those of us who contribute are scum and he is silent because he's not.

I don't buy it. My body is not a sturdy cardboard cylinder. My head is not made out of hard, sweetened candy.

I am not a sucker.

Soap is scum.


When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
December 02 2011 19:05 GMT
#5007
Agree 100% n soap.

Ill look at masterblood at home when I have a comp.
Soap
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil1546 Posts
December 02 2011 19:40 GMT
#5008
On December 03 2011 03:58 Blazinghand wrote:
One more thing. Soap's internet was not broken on the night of Wednesday, November the 30th. No, not at all. If it was, it must have been broken for a very narrow timeframe.

It was working the night before at 8 pm:

On November 30 2011 08:42 Soap wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2011 13:38 Soap wrote:
##Vote: Hier
##Vote: wherebugsbo


Show nested quote +
On November 28 2011 14:25 Soap wrote:
##Unvote: Hier
##Vote: Ace


I unvoted Hier, not wbg

##Unvote: Ace
##Vote: Risen



Pro analysis there bro.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
December 02 2011 19:43 GMT
#5009
On December 03 2011 04:40 Soap wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 03:58 Blazinghand wrote:
One more thing. Soap's internet was not broken on the night of Wednesday, November the 30th. No, not at all. If it was, it must have been broken for a very narrow timeframe.

It was working the night before at 8 pm:

On November 30 2011 08:42 Soap wrote:
On November 28 2011 13:38 Soap wrote:
##Vote: Hier
##Vote: wherebugsbo


On November 28 2011 14:25 Soap wrote:
##Unvote: Hier
##Vote: Ace


I unvoted Hier, not wbg

##Unvote: Ace
##Vote: Risen



Pro analysis there bro.


Ah, good point-- european times. I was mistake, and withdraw that portion of my analysis.

However, you still were on at 3 am, weren't you? Did your internet come back online? Although there's now a larger window beforehand, the window afterwards is still less than 4 hours.

On the other hand, can you explain your current votes? Or your inactivity and lack of any attempts at meaningful analysis?
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
December 02 2011 19:44 GMT
#5010
In fact, it would appear that you haven't successfully addressed the most damning of my criticisms, which is that you're voting for BC and WBG, and you were online almost immediately after the vote period but claimed you had no internet.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
December 02 2011 19:50 GMT
#5011
tx. note: come at me bro
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Soap
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil1546 Posts
December 02 2011 19:58 GMT
#5012
On December 03 2011 04:43 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 04:40 Soap wrote:
On December 03 2011 03:58 Blazinghand wrote:
One more thing. Soap's internet was not broken on the night of Wednesday, November the 30th. No, not at all. If it was, it must have been broken for a very narrow timeframe.

It was working the night before at 8 pm:

On November 30 2011 08:42 Soap wrote:
On November 28 2011 13:38 Soap wrote:
##Vote: Hier
##Vote: wherebugsbo


On November 28 2011 14:25 Soap wrote:
##Unvote: Hier
##Vote: Ace


I unvoted Hier, not wbg

##Unvote: Ace
##Vote: Risen



Pro analysis there bro.


Ah, good point-- european times. I was mistake, and withdraw that portion of my analysis.

However, you still were on at 3 am, weren't you? Did your internet come back online? Although there's now a larger window beforehand, the window afterwards is still less than 4 hours.

On the other hand, can you explain your current votes? Or your inactivity and lack of any attempts at meaningful analysis?


The deadline was Nov 30 12:00 KST, that's Dec 01 03:56 KST, almost 16 hours later.

Today's vote is decided. Please don't expect me to hold to your standards of analysis.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
December 02 2011 20:00 GMT
#5013
On December 03 2011 04:58 Soap wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 04:43 Blazinghand wrote:
On December 03 2011 04:40 Soap wrote:
On December 03 2011 03:58 Blazinghand wrote:
One more thing. Soap's internet was not broken on the night of Wednesday, November the 30th. No, not at all. If it was, it must have been broken for a very narrow timeframe.

It was working the night before at 8 pm:

On November 30 2011 08:42 Soap wrote:
On November 28 2011 13:38 Soap wrote:
##Vote: Hier
##Vote: wherebugsbo


On November 28 2011 14:25 Soap wrote:
##Unvote: Hier
##Vote: Ace


I unvoted Hier, not wbg

##Unvote: Ace
##Vote: Risen



Pro analysis there bro.


Ah, good point-- european times. I was mistake, and withdraw that portion of my analysis.

However, you still were on at 3 am, weren't you? Did your internet come back online? Although there's now a larger window beforehand, the window afterwards is still less than 4 hours.

On the other hand, can you explain your current votes? Or your inactivity and lack of any attempts at meaningful analysis?


The deadline was Nov 30 12:00 KST, that's Dec 01 03:56 KST, almost 16 hours later.

Today's vote is decided. Please don't expect me to hold to your standards of analysis.


Today's vote is decided... so you're gonna make worthless votes and give the mafia a chance at swinging the vote? Other people I've addressed on this issue have stepped in line. It's awfully scummy to make worthless votes, including trying to get rid of our double-lynches (what? are you serious) and refuse to even try to help.

I'm not holding you to my standards of analysis-- i'm holding you to make LITERALLY ANY USEFUL ANALYSIS AT ALL.

When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
December 02 2011 20:03 GMT
#5014
Basically what I'm saying is, by not voting for K-pac and Ciry, and silently voting for WBC and BC (with no explanation at all) it is very clear that you're scum.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
December 02 2011 20:09 GMT
#5015
On December 03 2011 05:00 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 04:58 Soap wrote:
On December 03 2011 04:43 Blazinghand wrote:
On December 03 2011 04:40 Soap wrote:
On December 03 2011 03:58 Blazinghand wrote:
One more thing. Soap's internet was not broken on the night of Wednesday, November the 30th. No, not at all. If it was, it must have been broken for a very narrow timeframe.

It was working the night before at 8 pm:

On November 30 2011 08:42 Soap wrote:
On November 28 2011 13:38 Soap wrote:
##Vote: Hier
##Vote: wherebugsbo


On November 28 2011 14:25 Soap wrote:
##Unvote: Hier
##Vote: Ace


I unvoted Hier, not wbg

##Unvote: Ace
##Vote: Risen



Pro analysis there bro.


Ah, good point-- european times. I was mistake, and withdraw that portion of my analysis.

However, you still were on at 3 am, weren't you? Did your internet come back online? Although there's now a larger window beforehand, the window afterwards is still less than 4 hours.

On the other hand, can you explain your current votes? Or your inactivity and lack of any attempts at meaningful analysis?


The deadline was Nov 30 12:00 KST, that's Dec 01 03:56 KST, almost 16 hours later.

Today's vote is decided. Please don't expect me to hold to your standards of analysis.


Today's vote is decided... so you're gonna make worthless votes and give the mafia a chance at swinging the vote? Other people I've addressed on this issue have stepped in line. It's awfully scummy to make worthless votes, including trying to get rid of our double-lynches (what? are you serious) and refuse to even try to help.

I'm not holding you to my standards of analysis-- i'm holding you to make LITERALLY ANY USEFUL ANALYSIS AT ALL.



LOL

I just don't understand what players like Soap hope to achieve.

Like, if they're town, why are they not paying any attention to the fact that BC and I are pretty much the only likely townies left who have been a significant asset so far?

If they're scum, why are they so damn obvious?
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
December 02 2011 20:10 GMT
#5016
Holding people accountable for votes and making them say the full why is of the most basic tools in the game. You can't say ignore my votes.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
December 02 2011 20:10 GMT
#5017
If the game continues BC (I hope he's town) should probably jail (protect) Blazinghand... Him and WBG's insight and scumhunting are the best we have left
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
December 02 2011 20:11 GMT
#5018
Like, it's also worth noting that he's given no explanation at all for his votes. Hypothetically, if he really thinks WBC and BC are scum, and he's really town, he REALLY REALLY NEEDS TO START SPEAKING UP RIGHT NOW. because if WBC and BC are scum we need all the help we can get.

And yet he voted silently. If I thought BC and WBC were scum, I'd be aggressively fighting with them and trying to rally public support. I wouldn't silently vote for them. I'd be loud as hell.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
December 02 2011 20:13 GMT
#5019
Ya I think he s newbie scum.

Mattchew he was jailed last night according to BC and you cant do same person two nights in a row.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 02 2011 20:15 GMT
#5020
you're probably better off not saying who you protect this time.
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