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On November 19 2011 11:20 chaoser wrote:
how fitting that the man i wanted to lynch is being replaced by RoL...
Interesting that you say that. Since I question your post
On November 19 2011 13:28 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 13:23 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:On November 19 2011 13:18 Coagulation wrote:On November 19 2011 13:08 Palmar wrote:
I got hit. I would start looking at people who voted him.. Anyone wanna counter claim? if not this Sounds legit. I would also like to make a public request that day two we dont shit up the thread with trivial bullshit and egotistical fuckery. ...Counterclaim what? We don't know scum KP. I doubt in a game with 21 townies and 5 mafia, mafia would only get 1 KP though...
As someone who played in Ace's Toy Factory Mafia With 20 players, 4 mafia 1 KP, I am surprised you can't see the parallels to this game and why the mafia KP could very easily be low in the 1-2 range. We have the potential to lynch as many people as we want each day.
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On November 19 2011 14:05 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 14:03 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On November 19 2011 11:20 chaoser wrote:
how fitting that the man i wanted to lynch is being replaced by RoL... Interesting that you say that. Since I question your post On November 19 2011 13:28 chaoser wrote:On November 19 2011 13:23 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:On November 19 2011 13:18 Coagulation wrote:On November 19 2011 13:08 Palmar wrote:
I got hit. I would start looking at people who voted him.. Anyone wanna counter claim? if not this Sounds legit. I would also like to make a public request that day two we dont shit up the thread with trivial bullshit and egotistical fuckery. ...Counterclaim what? We don't know scum KP. I doubt in a game with 21 townies and 5 mafia, mafia would only get 1 KP though... As someone who played in Ace's Toy Factory Mafia With 20 players, 4 mafia 1 KP, I am surprised you can't see the parallels to this game and why the mafia KP could very easily be low in the 1-2 range. We have the potential to lynch as many people as we want each day. I'm also wondering if the mafia KP is in some way linked to the number of lynches. Might make sense with the warning against lynching too many in one day.
Well its designed to heavily reward the mafia for properly manipulating the town, while if they choose to sit back and do nothing get them murdered. It's a hit or miss system and encourages a very active mafia.
I read a little bit, and from what I read I'd be wary of Chaoser and Palmar. I will try to get reads on both of them out in the next day or so.
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On November 19 2011 13:08 Palmar wrote:
I got hit.
Sir, I do not believe you.
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Sorry to sound mildly hypocritical here. I just All'd both Chaoser and Palmar who have 14 pages combined. That is nearly 25% of all the posts in the damn game.
Please condense your shit.
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On November 21 2011 07:46 risk.nuke wrote:Chaoser has been subject to lynching for a long time, I'm starting to belive he might be town, either way I don't want to lynch him today. Imo I have better candidates for today, wbg and prphlz. I'm almost convinced RoL is town because I find it less likely a scum player would loose interest. I've been unsure on DCLXVI and Lemonwalrus but really they fall into the category as lynchable people which is mostly all you've been going after palmar and right now I'm so incredibly suspicious at you. I'm scared shitless that your role might be a godfather. These last days I've been getting very suspicious against you palmar. And It's not just what you've done I find it very interesting that you've been getting along with wbg, Most importantly none of you have questioned or brought up any of the scummy things the other have done. Imo, if one of these guys are found out to be scum we lynch them both without hesitation unless they got a fucking amazing explaination and I mean amazing and I mean the truth and I want it fast, not a couple of hours for you to cook up something in which case I will assume you've worked out a lie.
My current scumteam.Prplhz
xsksc
Zepphird I'm convinced atleast 1 of these three is scum and potentially all three, my post. this is to odd to be ignored. However that is based on if prphlz is scum. If he flip town they go back to null-read
##Vote: wherebugsgo
Palmar I'm not going to vote for him due to his getting shot claim. I think we'll find out the truth of that later.
Sorry, its not that I have lost interest, I was honestly just busy yesterday. I had a police exam then ended up at my girlfriends over night. I am about to go eat and when I get back I will contribute a bit.
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On November 21 2011 08:38 Drazerk wrote:
Possibly because town is still all over the place with the multiple lynch system -.-
Hammer prplhz and Nisani and be done with it
You guys needs to calm down with the mass lynching though, how much time is left int he day cycle?
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##Vote: Palmar
##Vote: Kenpachi
##Vote: Coagulation
These 3 are scummy as fuck based off the posts I have read from each of them.
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On November 20 2011 14:41 prplhz wrote:guys I don't think prplhz is scum, here is why... The case against me today is the following: before sinani206 was lynched I wrote in caps that I thought that people should stop voting for him. Since it was in caps, I clearly did not mean what I was saying. This means that I am scum. I disagree with this. My play so far this game has been: First I argued with Cyber_Cheese for some time about policy lynches. I don't like policy lynches, especially lurker lynches because, as I said in my posts, they are scum favored. Scum will just stop lurking if we start voting for them for lurking while people like Kenpachi will get subtly killed off by mafia. I stopped arguing with Cyber_Cheese when I realized that I'd made my point and arguing over policies is often rather pointless, it defeats the point of the policies if it appears that we don't agree on them. After that I started posting one liners in caps. There was not a single one of these one liners I didn't mean. I wrote in caps one liners because I wanted people to know my opinion but I didn't want any mafia to take me too seriously. I did a somewhat comparable thing in TMMM when I posted without punctuation and it goaded GMarshal into making a terrible case on me. What I said actually made sense, he just jumped me because he didn't like the form. Townies shouldn't do this, they should read the thread and not just say "lol caps = scum". (yes, I was lynched in TMMM day1 but that was because neither me nor my team mate was around in the last 8 hours and town decided to jump on us in the last minute when we couldn't even defend ourselves). I was the first to vote for Drazerk yesterday because I went through his filter and it was full of non committal stuff, he was voting for Sabin010 because of the mob-incident, this is not the Drazerk I know, that Drazerk is all over the place voting for everybody not just for a guy lying by accident with some poor formulations of his past experience. The Drazerk I know is a boss, not some guy hiding behind a stupid policy for his vote. My vote on Drazerk today wasn't a bandwagon, it was a continuation from yesterday when I was the first one to vote for Drazerk because I thought he was scum. I didn't think he'd done much to shed the suspicion I had on him. Now can anybody mention any single thing I've that has been scummy? I realize I might not have been overly town, but that does not make me scum by far. But I have been pushing town agenda all game, maybe not as strong as you'd like it, but you can't mention anywhere where I've actually done something scummy. Because I haven't. The least you can do if you are going to lynch me is not all bandwagon Forumite's case. Write your own case. - bumarlarge: Voted for me yesterday with a half-arsed case. Today he's just voting me.
- risk.nuke: Saying he went over my filter and now he's just voting me.
- Kibibit: Just voting me from his phone.
- hyshes: His reason to vote for me was that he plainly states that he thought I was talking shit when I wrote something in caps. It's my fault he lynched sinani206 because he thought I was talking shit! Also, apparently scum don't have time to read his filter but townies do. This logic doesn't hold.
- Drazerk: He is voting for me because I remind him of himself. What the fuck is this?
- Nisani201: Parroting Forumite.
Your entire view on lynching liars/lurkers was antitown. That being said, I skimmed all your posts and don't think you are scum, I just think you are dumb. I'd have to read more carefully and in context, but I am more inclined to think you are making dumb statements as opposed to anti town statements.
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On November 21 2011 15:14 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 15:11 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
##Vote: Palmar
##Vote: Kenpachi
##Vote: Coagulation
These 3 are scummy as fuck based off the posts I have read from each of them. ...I regret to inform you Kenpachi has already been lynched and flipped town watchful doctor...
We should lynch him again, I don't believe it.
I was basing that off his ever annoying day 1 townie claims.
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On November 21 2011 23:59 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 23:51 Forumite wrote:On November 21 2011 23:25 Palmar wrote:On November 21 2011 23:09 Forumite wrote:
Palmar, your defence of prplhz around the sinani206 lynch is that he was uncomfortable defending a player he thought was Town? That´s still Anti-Town and something most Scum would do, so how is this a defence? It isn't a defense. I didn't defend him around the sinani206 case. As I stated, the post was written as I read through prplhz's posts. If I had stopped there I probably would've voted prplhz, because the two things that are really off on him, are what he did around the sinani206 lynch, and what he did to try to discredit me. I didn't stop reading, I went through, and in the end, despite that I think he's town. I have explained what I think about him, and in great detail how I came to that conclusion. I wasn't straight up defending him, because I only decided my conclusion right at the end of that post. So basically I caught his scummyness around the Day 1 lynch, but since he´s been very carefull in his posting and has managed to convince you to overlook the earlier misstep, even though there is no way to defend what he did. Yes. Why do you care? You're probably town too, and no matter how this goes down I'm going to look bad for it. You're not going to be swayed. Do you not want discussion? You asked for my thoughts, these are my thoughts. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm right.
You are scum lol. Only mafia ever make that half assumption in an attempt to draw support from a player.
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On November 22 2011 00:08 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2011 00:07 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On November 21 2011 23:59 Palmar wrote:On November 21 2011 23:51 Forumite wrote:On November 21 2011 23:25 Palmar wrote:On November 21 2011 23:09 Forumite wrote:
Palmar, your defence of prplhz around the sinani206 lynch is that he was uncomfortable defending a player he thought was Town? That´s still Anti-Town and something most Scum would do, so how is this a defence? It isn't a defense. I didn't defend him around the sinani206 case. As I stated, the post was written as I read through prplhz's posts. If I had stopped there I probably would've voted prplhz, because the two things that are really off on him, are what he did around the sinani206 lynch, and what he did to try to discredit me. I didn't stop reading, I went through, and in the end, despite that I think he's town. I have explained what I think about him, and in great detail how I came to that conclusion. I wasn't straight up defending him, because I only decided my conclusion right at the end of that post. So basically I caught his scummyness around the Day 1 lynch, but since he´s been very carefull in his posting and has managed to convince you to overlook the earlier misstep, even though there is no way to defend what he did. Yes. Why do you care? You're probably town too, and no matter how this goes down I'm going to look bad for it. You're not going to be swayed. Do you not want discussion? You asked for my thoughts, these are my thoughts. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm right. You are scum lol. Only mafia ever make that half assumption in an attempt to draw support from a player. Hi RoL. You're wrong, but that's okay, you're probably scum.
Alright, I concede. I was wrong to say all but I'd put money on it that you are most probably scum.
And thanks Kitaman.
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Can someone explain why the hell we have two medic claims?
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WBG, Have you read all of his posts?
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On November 22 2011 11:02 DCLXVI wrote:
@rol
kenpachi is/was a medic, see the end of day 1 post for his full role
So if you are a medic type role, did you protect Palmar last night?
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On November 22 2011 11:09 DCLXVI wrote:
Have you read all of my posts?
Yes I have actually. I have read all the posts by several players.
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On November 22 2011 11:12 DCLXVI wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2011 11:10 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On November 22 2011 11:09 DCLXVI wrote:
Have you read all of my posts? Yes I have actually. I have read all the posts by several players. then you should know that I did not protect Palmar last night
For some reason I had F5'd the thread and responded before reading the last 5 posts of yours or something to that effect. I might of read that and just not acknowledged it. I am extremely tired right now, I have been up since 5am and its currently 9pm.
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Man, we sure love killing our power roles.
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lol wow, WBG that is actually exactly how I planned on going about lynching today. Compare every vote and whoever appears on the most we lynch. I guarantee we hit red with that.
So far you have Zephirdd, Nisani, DCLXVI, Greymist, Cyber_cheese, Lanaia, Forumite on 3/4 mislynches.
The scum naturally want to use this to up their KP. I will also take back my hostility on palmar, with 3 kills during the night the chance of him absorbing a hit the previous night becomes substantially higher.
To be honest, I think the best method is to indiscriminately kill all of them right now. I think its safe to say we will hit at least 2 red.
##Vote: Lanaia
##Vote: GreYMisT
##Vote: Forumite
##Vote: Nisani201
##Vote: DCLXVI
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I think the most important thing you have to ask yourself now in deciding if you think this strategy is good is why do these 5 seem to have no problem voting so much on lynch candidates? In a majority lynch setting its obvious, you vote because you want them to die, and unless they seriously think each one of those 3 were really scum why else would they vote? Seems silly, the obvious answer is that they want them to die because the more dead townies there are the better it helps their win condition.
In a majority lynch game they HAVE to reach the number of votes to get a kill, meaning in this set up a vote list is even more powerful of an analytical tool then anything else we have. I have used votelists to catch scum in the past before and it is a very very good indicator. If you look at Arkham Asylum mafia Lucidity played a really really tight game from posting, I couldn't 100% put him as scum. He flew under really well. But as someone who made semi good intelligent posts he ALWAYS ended up on the wrong side of every lynch. When he was the only person to fuck up so bad the answer was simple, he was scum trying to save his own.
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I'd consider removing DCLXVI off the list for two reasons. First, I analyzed him and he struck me as most likely town. The seocnd being this
DCLXVI (7): Palmar, HarbingerOfDoom, wherebugsgo, Zephirdd, bumatlarge, Nisani201, Forumite
I doubt 3 potential scummy players would all stack on their own while trying to push what could of easily been a second bad lynch for the day. I remember a wagon tried starting on DCL and never took off. These 3 likely scum (Based on the above reasoning I mentioned) don't necessarily clear DCL, but I doubt they would vote him off as scum, or at least try to advance his wagon so hard. For the sake of simplicity and thoroughness, I am not against killing DCL in case they were purposely drawing lines between each other.
Also, I forgot.
##Vote: Zephirdd
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On November 23 2011 17:24 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 12:44 Nisani201 wrote:
Do you realize that there is no actual case against me? I have been using logic and reason this entire game. That is why I am voting DCLXVI. Think before you vote. I know you like Palmar but you have to realize that he's manipulating you. No, you're not allowed to vote for a bunch of townies, then build cases against more townies, and claim you're using logic and reason. Shut up. About RebirthOfLeGenD, as much as it pains me to say it, that despite his awful play so far, there is no reason to believe he is scum, unless you believe Hiroruby was the mafia godfather. So I'm not willing to look at any case against him today. I would much rather we focus on chaoser (or his replacement), 666, or perhaps even nisani201, who I'm starting to lean scum on again. Other potential candidates include sabin010 and xscsc (or whatever his name is), who haven't contributed anything of value so far.
Why would Hiroruby have to be the mafia godfather? Are you claiming you checked me?
Anyway, please respond to my plan. You will be happy to know it doesn't involve killing you.
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On November 23 2011 18:26 wherebugsgo wrote:
yo RoL did you vote nisani/bum?
I'm all for lynching the people who bandwagoned like mad but we have to discriminate between who is more likely to be scum and who is less likely to be.
Sure, it'd be a great way to get rid of the hard decision by just killing them all now, but I think we should lynch the ones who are scummiest first and then with those flips we can start pushing into the rest of the group tomorrow.
In fact, most of the people who were on all 3 lynches are probably idiot townies. They wouldn't want that much attention on themselves. I think we need to more carefully consider those who were only on two lynches.
Basically, I say we start with nisani/bum/chaoser. I know chaoser wanted to vote prpl, so he would've actually been on two lynch bandwagons. Scum like to split their votes between two candidates when both are town. I know this because I did it myself as scum. My team would split, one half pushing one townie for lynch and the other pushing the other. No matter who won, a townie would die.
In this game, if both win, two townies die.
So let's look at the lynch and see who, if anyone, had at least 3 votes and was on either kenpachi or sinani day 1 but not the other on the same day, and then was also on prpl day 2:
Day 1:
Kenpachi(14): bumatlarge, DCLXVI, prplhz, Drazerk, Zephirdd, Palmar, GreYMisT, risk.nuke, Tyrran, Lemonwalrus Hiroruby, sinani206, Nisani201, Cyber_Cheese
sinani206(14): chaoser (would have been on prpl day 2), GreYMisT, Lanaia, DCLXVI, Drazerk, Cyber_Cheese, risk.nuke, LSB, Tyrran, Forumite, Lemonwalrus, Zephirdd, HarbingerOfDoom, hyshes
Day 2:
prplhz (12): Forumite, Drazerk, GreYMisT, Nisani201, hyshes, bumatlarge, risk.nuke, Kibibit, Sabin010, Lanaia, xsksc, Coagulation (would have been chaoser here as vote 13)
From this vote pattern alone some of the 3 voters (such as Cyber_Cheese and GreYMisT) are less likely to be scum (though we can't rule it out)
This is on the assumption that scum would split their vote to avoid as much suspicion as possible.
This means we should focus on:
bumatlarge, nisani, chaoser/mrzentor, forumite, lanaia.
All names I think are likely to bleed red.
If I missed something, let me know.
At the end of the day you can't ignore what mafia aganda is. Their goal is to kill as many of us as possible and while avoiding a suspect list is good if it means not killing people its a choice they probably won't make. To be honest I don't like the weird way you are trying to use this list. Why would you vote Chaoser/Bum when they aren't high in the +3 area. Seems strange. I can almost guarantee you among those 5 I mentioned there are a couple of scum. I would happily kill them all because its a good trade.
Anyone else want to contribute?
Zephirdd, Nisani, DCLXVI, Greymist, Cyber_cheese, Lanaia, Forumite
These 7, kill them all. I welcome analysis on them if anyone wants to do it.
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On November 23 2011 20:35 wherebugsgo wrote:
insta-win lol.
you never explained what makes bum unlikely to be scum.
Voting record looks fine for him, but to be honest that's the only reason I am using. I haven't done an actual analysis on him.
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As for those who stand out more scummy, I read a bit more of the the thread and Forumite, Greymist, Nisani, Zephirdd seem the most scummy out of my list. I'd suggest everyone at least vote for them.
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I also somehow forgot this yesterday.
##Vote: Cyber_Cheese
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Sigh, no verbal pressure motivates me to post. I do it if I have time and something to say. I currently have both.
Palmar, my play makes sense because it uses a well founded concept as voting analysis to determine who are likely scum. I have used it before and its effective. I know I proposed lynching 7 people simultaneously but I gave reasoning. If you really really think that some of the named people are town (which at least two of them are.) Then give us some beyond justifiable reason to remove them from that list of bad voters.
Only really really exemplary reasons are worthwhile or we run the risk of mafia manipulating evidence and public opinion to let there members off the hook today. I assure you we have mafia in that list, and I will keep pushing for their mass lynch unless you can seriously undermine my reasoning.
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On November 24 2011 03:11 DCLXVI wrote:I'm not sure why voting fro drazerk was such a bad thing at the time. He admitted in the thread that he was purposely playing badly in order to bait reactions out of people. While I question his tactics I certainly cannot condemn anyone for voting for someone who tried to look as bad as possible. Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 00:42 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
At the end of the day you can't ignore what mafia aganda is. Their goal is to kill as many of us as possible and while avoiding a suspect list is good if it means not killing people its a choice they probably won't make. To be honest I don't like the weird way you are trying to use this list. Why would you vote Chaoser/Bum when they aren't high in the +3 area. Seems strange. I can almost guarantee you among those 5 I mentioned there are a couple of scum. I would happily kill them all because its a good trade.
Anyone else want to contribute?
Zephirdd, Nisani, DCLXVI, Greymist, Cyber_cheese, Lanaia, Forumite
These 7, kill them all. I welcome analysis on them if anyone wants to do it. I don't think voting off at least 3 people with power roles, likely blues, would be anything other than a mafia agenda: "Their goal is to kill off as many of us as possible." Is this really your best plan, to slaughter the remaining power roles? Neither of the lynches were hard for the mafia to push, I highly doubt each mafia needed to jump on both bandwagons. ##Vote RebirthOfLeGenD
##Vote Nisani201I will hold off voting Palmar for now as I reconsider given last nights kills.
I narrowed it down to 4 people iirc. None of which included you or Lanaia. Do you disagree that there are likely maifa on that lynch? And you are wrong. The lynches may not have been hard to push in the sense that no one defended them, but either way you have to get the requisite vote count to actually get a player lynched.
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On November 24 2011 12:50 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 11:22 bumatlarge wrote:On November 23 2011 17:15 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I think the most important thing you have to ask yourself now in deciding if you think this strategy is good is why do these 5 seem to have no problem voting so much on lynch candidates? In a majority lynch setting its obvious, you vote because you want them to die, and unless they seriously think each one of those 3 were really scum why else would they vote? Seems silly, the obvious answer is that they want them to die because the more dead townies there are the better it helps their win condition.
In a majority lynch game they HAVE to reach the number of votes to get a kill, meaning in this set up a vote list is even more powerful of an analytical tool then anything else we have. I have used votelists to catch scum in the past before and it is a very very good indicator. If you look at Arkham Asylum mafia Lucidity played a really really tight game from posting, I couldn't 100% put him as scum. He flew under really well. But as someone who made semi good intelligent posts he ALWAYS ended up on the wrong side of every lynch. When he was the only person to fuck up so bad the answer was simple, he was scum trying to save his own. I don't really buy that this is how you plan on winning the game. I can understand it as a place to start in a multi-lynch format, but there needs to be a step two to this. That said, I can't really say why it isn't a good plan. ##Vote: Lanaia
##Vote: GreYMisT
##Vote: Forumite
##Vote: Nisani201
##Vote: ZephirddIt might be a misread but I REALLY don't see cyber_cheese being scum. I've been reading his day 1 posts, and no one gave me such a town vibe as he did. I think the step two I mentioned is actually analyzing the players here. Here's my problem with it. There are 5 living scum. You have 7 votes down. RoL has convinced you to place votes on townies. There are hazards in store for a town that uses degenerate strategies, and we don't know what they are. Therefore, it would be scum agenda to push a plan that essentially degenerates the game away from analysis of individuals.
Bum is actually correct. Step two would involve analyzing each player on that list and deciding which ones I think deserve the hammer more so than the others. The easier approach is just to kill them all and be done with it. That being said, I really would prefer not to lynch Cyber_cheese, DCI, or Lanaia and we focus on the other 4. Among which, Nisani is already lynched which leaves with with Forumite, Greymist, and Zephirdd. I don't think 4 lynches will get us punished by the host or in game mechanics.
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On November 25 2011 21:19 Palmar wrote:
My role is: Town Records Cop
I can alignment check people I voted for on the previous day. This is the reason I caught so quickly on chaoser's random voting thing, and became sure he wasn't town.
Night 1 I investigated Bumatlarge and received a Town-aligned result
Night 2 I investigated RebirthOfLeGenD and received a Town-aligned result.
Both results I left with pretty damn obvious breadcrumbs "Unless you think X is godfather, I don't think we should lynch him".
Caught that, I suppose no reason for me to ever claim then ;P
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On November 25 2011 19:42 Palmar wrote:
Killing these people (+ the people who don't care) should be a good idea.
Something like
##Vote Cyber_Cheese
##Vote Forumit
##Vote Sabin010
##Vote DCLXVI
##Vote xsksc
Let's leave the others for now.
Can I request Coagulation be modkilled for inactivity? In addition Kibibit should be pretty close to a modkill.
Seems like someone is more or less going with my plan. You are missing a few votes there sir.
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I am a VT. Why do you want to kill MrZenter?
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##Vote: Coagulation
##Vote: Sabin010
We need more lynches.
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On November 26 2011 09:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
yo RoL let's wait till the flip.
What do you think of Zephirdd?
Kill him. He has a shitty voting pattern as pointed out earlier.
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On November 26 2011 16:51 wherebugsgo wrote:
scum would never shoot you.
You're one of 5 nonconfirmed players who didn't vote Coag. You're about as scummy as they get.
You sir are playing a beautiful game.
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GL Sorry I couldn't perform up to standard. Swamped this semester :/
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On November 24 2011 00:42 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 18:26 wherebugsgo wrote:
yo RoL did you vote nisani/bum?
I'm all for lynching the people who bandwagoned like mad but we have to discriminate between who is more likely to be scum and who is less likely to be.
Sure, it'd be a great way to get rid of the hard decision by just killing them all now, but I think we should lynch the ones who are scummiest first and then with those flips we can start pushing into the rest of the group tomorrow.
In fact, most of the people who were on all 3 lynches are probably idiot townies. They wouldn't want that much attention on themselves. I think we need to more carefully consider those who were only on two lynches.
Basically, I say we start with nisani/bum/chaoser. I know chaoser wanted to vote prpl, so he would've actually been on two lynch bandwagons. Scum like to split their votes between two candidates when both are town. I know this because I did it myself as scum. My team would split, one half pushing one townie for lynch and the other pushing the other. No matter who won, a townie would die.
In this game, if both win, two townies die.
So let's look at the lynch and see who, if anyone, had at least 3 votes and was on either kenpachi or sinani day 1 but not the other on the same day, and then was also on prpl day 2:
Day 1:
Kenpachi(14): bumatlarge, DCLXVI, prplhz, Drazerk, Zephirdd, Palmar, GreYMisT, risk.nuke, Tyrran, Lemonwalrus Hiroruby, sinani206, Nisani201, Cyber_Cheese
sinani206(14): chaoser (would have been on prpl day 2), GreYMisT, Lanaia, DCLXVI, Drazerk, Cyber_Cheese, risk.nuke, LSB, Tyrran, Forumite, Lemonwalrus, Zephirdd, HarbingerOfDoom, hyshes
Day 2:
prplhz (12): Forumite, Drazerk, GreYMisT, Nisani201, hyshes, bumatlarge, risk.nuke, Kibibit, Sabin010, Lanaia, xsksc, Coagulation (would have been chaoser here as vote 13)
From this vote pattern alone some of the 3 voters (such as Cyber_Cheese and GreYMisT) are less likely to be scum (though we can't rule it out)
This is on the assumption that scum would split their vote to avoid as much suspicion as possible.
This means we should focus on:
bumatlarge, nisani, chaoser/mrzentor, forumite, lanaia.
All names I think are likely to bleed red.
If I missed something, let me know. At the end of the day you can't ignore what mafia aganda is. Their goal is to kill as many of us as possible and while avoiding a suspect list is good if it means not killing people its a choice they probably won't make. To be honest I don't like the weird way you are trying to use this list. Why would you vote Chaoser/Bum when they aren't high in the +3 area. Seems strange. I can almost guarantee you among those 5 I mentioned there are a couple of scum. I would happily kill them all because its a good trade. Anyone else want to contribute? Zephirdd, Nisani, DCLXVI, Greymist, Cyber_cheese, Lanaia, Forumite These 7, kill them all. I welcome analysis on them if anyone wants to do it.
This is what I was laughing at greymist. I only missed your two inactive members ;P I was too lazy to actually ever do analysis, but I knew using this method would kill a good bunch of you.
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On November 30 2011 13:01 GreYMisT wrote:
yea, but the platform would have failed, unless you wanted to do it over time
It wouldn't of failed since I ended up excluding DCL in a later post.
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On November 30 2011 19:51 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 18:57 syllogism wrote:
I'm so sick of "veterans" who don't post enough to even establish their own innocence OR support the right people This is the core of the issue. Way too many mafia players are afraid of being wrong. There is nothing wrong with being wrong, if you give ample reasoning as for why you're wrong, and are willing to listen to logic as to why your logic was bad. Everyone makes bad calls. But you need to pick sides. And you need to be willing to reconsider which side you're on. You will see circles form in games of people who trust each other. If you see this, you should do research into why they trust each other, or simply ask them. They will provide reasoning. You need to support someone. The worst town play is to stay in your own corner and not trust anyone. Remember that statistically you can randomly buddy up with someone and he has 70-80% chance of being town. Using a bit of analysis increases that value. What this means is that no town can afford players who don't commit themselves. Sadly we have to balance mafia games around people who don't intend to actually play.
This is one of the main reasons I avoid large games now. over 25ish players and I won't generally play anymore. I prefer less than 20 player games, this game seemed interesting so I made an exception. I was busy so I couldn't contribute anymore near as much as I should of been able to.
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On December 01 2011 06:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
normally, flavor text is just that...flavor.
I didn't realize there would be game-relevant clues in the flavor so I didn't bother looking too deeply into it.
The only other games I have seen that in are the Insane Mafia's. Where it gives the town an idea of what powers are active. Usually its stated in the OP though.
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