EPTWhere is Coagulation? You guys better not have banned him again, or I will be so upset.
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Where is Coagulation? You guys better not have banned him again, or I will be so upset. | ||
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On November 11 2011 07:52 Zephirdd wrote: Ditto. So, do I get to use some fancy weapon? Oh Oh Oh I want a bazooka! A Bazooka looks like a common weapon for someone in a Mafia game, even if he isn't in the Mafia! Or you could be like GMarshal and get 3 rocket launchers but never use them. | ||
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On November 11 2011 08:06 GMarshal wrote: That was bumatlarge. I'd never be that irresponsible. (disclaimer: may or may not fakeclaim medic and almost screw his team over) Oh, my apologies, as soon as I wrote your name I started to think I had the wrong guy. | ||
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On November 11 2011 11:23 jaybrundage wrote: My biggest concern is that politics from other mafia games might ruin this one. Already i hear of people blaming other people for no reason, saying I don't want to be in this game with this person. I just hope things can go smoothly with out a hitch especially for my first TL mafia game : ( I can't speak for everyone, but just to allay your fears, all the shit-flinging that I have done is mostly inside jokes between my target and I; I like everyone I've met playing mafia and what few grudges I've had have died with the particular games they were born from. | ||
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Not much to discuss yet but I'll just get some thoughts out. Tunneling My experience with tunneling has shown me that a lot of times someone's response to being the target of tunneling is to tunnel right back. So say I, as a townie, say MrHoon is scum and then tunnel about it, but he's really town, now he has a strong urge to tunnel back at me saying that I'm scum, and to him my behavior may seem scummy since I'm trying to get a townie lynched. So in the end we both derail discussion, and most likely waste two lynches on townies after a wasted day. Idk maybe it is common sense but with the multi-lynch I'm kind of afraid we might get a bit trigger happy and kill too many townies too early. Idk...just don't fucking tunnel is the main point of what I'm trying to say I guess. I know bum said that he likes the multi-lynch but I'm skeptical of it. I feel like this could be a great tool if we use it wisely, but it could also be our downfall if we are careless. I'd like to discuss us setting a limit for ourselves on lynches per day, but tbh I don't really know what would be a good number. I think any number over 3 would be extremely dangerous, and imo 3 is even pushing it. Therefore I would probably suggest a limit of 2 but more than that I'd just like to get some more input on it. Also, I can't really think of any way we would be able to keep ourselves to whatever limit we set. So....thoughts? | ||
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If we decide to lynch lurkers one a day or something, I think that gives mafia a slight advantage, in that they will be able to, with their numbers, lead the vote to non-mafia lurkers before it gets to mafia lurkers. So say there are 3 town lurkers and 1 scum lurker, the scum will be able to vote and probably help the scum lurker be the last of the 4 lynched and they won't look bad in hindsight since they were just following the policy we had set forth to lynch a lurker a day. I don't really know what we could do to stop this but I'd like to at least discuss it before we start playing in to scum hands. I know lurking townies aren't particularly useful, but they are still a warm body that puts town that much further from losing. Idk, anybody have any suggestions? | ||
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##Vote: Lanaia | ||
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On November 17 2011 06:32 risk.nuke wrote: Okey, but isn't this exacly one of those situations where we connected two people and should not lynch both of them incase they are town. ##Vote Kenpachi That's why I only voted Lanaia, figure Lanaia flips scum, Kenpachi auto-lynch day 2, Lanaia flips town, then back to the drawing board. I felt that Lanaia was the best choice since she is either a scum or a town that used a powerful role in what I consider to be an untownly fashion, what is your reasoning for Kenpachi instead? | ||
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On November 17 2011 06:38 Lanaia wrote: I'm terribly bad at convincing people, though. Is it really that good to lynch two people who are sort of lurking, though? Sorry I'm an idiot. Looking back most mafia teams I've played on or against have had at least one or two people that lurked a ton especially at the start of the game, and lurking townies aren't particularly helpful. So at this point lynching 3 lurkers to find only 1 of them was scum is still a win in my book since those 2 townies weren't much good and we got the scum that was giving us the least info to catch him any other way. Also I can't figure out why Coag is lurking so hard, it seems unlike him. | ||
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Point out the flaw in my reasoning. | ||
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On November 17 2011 07:00 GreYMisT wrote: Lemon, what do you think of risk's response? Im starting to agree with him a bit, but in my eyes neither kenpachi or lanaia is off the hook just yet. I don't agree with risk's assessment and no longer agree with my original assessment because I can't see any scum team doing something this risky (or dumb, depending on how you want to look at it) on day 1. However, since Kenpachi has now adopted the "lol town is bad I'm not going to try anymore" mentality he is either scum or a townie that is no longer playing to win. Either way I don't want him to still be here for day 2. ##Vote: Kenpachi I know that Kenpachi is capable of a lot, but if he can't offer simple explanations for what he considers to be obvious things then what is the point? | ||
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On November 17 2011 07:15 chaoser wrote: oh oh vote for me too! I fall under that category! I've got a town read on you that I can't quite explain and am holding on to hope that you will stop being butt-hurt and start being useful in the near future, or that all of your play so far has been part of some grand plan that will help town in some way, so I'll hold my vote off of you for now. At least this way when you do get yourself lynched (which you seem to be doing quite efficiently) and flip green I'll be able to congratulate myself or something. | ||
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Elephant There, I broke the chain, you are free to talk about useful things now. | ||
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On November 17 2011 09:22 chaoser wrote: ##vote bumatlarge Reasoning please? I've been toying with that vote since page 15 or so, but I'd like to hear why you did it. | ||
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On November 17 2011 09:25 chaoser wrote: He's posted four times in total. Batman would be doing much more than that. So you think there is a scum team out there that would put a leash on one of the most outspoken players on the forum and expect nobody to notice? And what are your thoughts on Coag's uncharacteristic silence? | ||
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I'm not sure about Coagulation at this point...this is unlike him but I don't know if I want to jump to the conclusion he is scummy. | ||
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She made a mistake, but I don't think it was a scum mistake. And besides, I'd like to see Kenpachi's flip before we decide what to do with her. ##Vote: Palmar He has been pushing a moronic case against chaoser since the beginning and most of you are eating it up. When the Lanaia/kenpachi thing came up, he threw his vote their way haphazardly, my guess because they are both town (although I still have some hope that KP was scum) and he just wants to make more town lynches day 1. All the while he has been pushing this chaoser lynch as a sure thing. If we lynch chaoser and he flips green or blue, I want palmar dead the next day for sure. He wants chaoser dead because as he said himself chaoser is a good player for town. He has built a case against him on LAL so he can hide behind policy when he is proven wrong about chaoser when chaoser flips. ##Vote: bumatlarge Be the batman that this steamship deserves. | ||
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On November 17 2011 10:00 sinani206 wrote: Your not getting voted because of LaL, it's because you're scummy. Go back and read Palmar's campaign to get chaoser lynched. It was built around LAL and him 'not playing like he usually does' as if everyone has exactly one method of playing mafia. If we lynch both chaoser and kenpachi day 1 and they both flip green i'm going to....well I'll just be upset. | ||
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On November 17 2011 10:15 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: ...I just looked, I'm not seeing it. Quote it please? On November 17 2011 09:27 Lemonwalrus wrote: So you think there is a scum team out there that would put a leash on one of the most outspoken players on the forum and expect nobody to notice? And what are your thoughts on Coag's uncharacteristic silence? On November 17 2011 09:32 Lemonwalrus wrote: I've already said that I thought you were town, and I still do. I'm not FoSing you, I just want to start up a dialogue on two vets that are known for being high volume posters but have been quiet thus far. I'm not sure about Coagulation at this point...this is unlike him but I don't know if I want to jump to the conclusion he is scummy. And then I borrowed this reasoning to finally make my vote: On November 17 2011 09:38 chaoser wrote: Sorry then, I'm extremely PO-ed that kenpachi actually got lynched. for me right now, coag and bum are pretty much equal in terms of my suspicions. Bum posted 4 times, coag posted a grand total of once where he advocates a policy lynch on Kenpachi. But I expect a lot more from bum which is why I voted for him first when thinking about the "vets" in this game. Personally I think most of the mafia team is staying as far away from this kenpachi/lanaia/chaoser bullshit as possible. They wouldn't touch it with a ten inch pole. I'm just annoyed that the town is using the shittiest logic to try to lynch people. | ||
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On November 17 2011 10:29 wherebugsgo wrote: please elaborate on why you think a self-contradiction doesn't constitute a reason to vote somebody. Lemon wanted chaoser to provide reasons for voting, yet voted bumatlarge with no stated reason. Even now he deflects the question by saying he intended to vote that way before. That's fine, but that's not a reason. Intent and motivation are different things, and any person with the capability to understand the two definitions should know that. I wanted to hear why chaoser was voting bum because I too had suspicions about bum, and wanted to see if his were the same as mine. I posted with a reference to my reasoning which had been discussed openly on the preceding pages. Honestly I can't point to a specific post of bum to give you my reasoning because he hasn't been making them. That in itself is my reason for voting him when you take the fact that he usually is so outspoken into account. At least now he will have to respond if more people start voting him and we can get some sort of information out of him. | ||
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On November 17 2011 13:02 wherebugsgo wrote: Lemon can you explain why you are more concerned about bum "watching the thread go by" instead of Coag? I don't see bum doing anything weird. Coag voted for someone who was already hammered. bum had posted a few times in the beginning, so his relative absence felt like lurking. Coag only posted once, I was beginning to think he had just given up due to something irl and was going to be replaced. To be honest both of their absences irked me but I felt like voting coag would be useless if he was going to be replaced. Now he has come back, but it still seems like he skimmed the thread for 10 minutes and made a random post to stay in the game. Either he is playing the weirdest lurker scum I've ever seen or he is just not into this game. ##Vote: Coagulation bum still needs to be a bit more vocal/useful for me to remove my vote, but his recent posts are a step in the right direction I guess. | ||
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On November 18 2011 08:03 Palmar wrote: Insanity laughs under pressure we're cracking Can't we give ourselves one more chance Why can't we give love that one more chance Why can't we give love give love give love give love give love give love give love give love give love 'Cause love's such an old fashioned word And love dares you to care for The people on the edge of the night And loves dares you to change our way of Caring about ourselves This is our last dance This is our last dance This is ourselves Under pressure ##Vote Bumatlarge ##Vote Nisani201 ##Vote chaoser ##Vote Lemonwalrus ##Unvote Drazerk ##Unvote Coagulation Why are more people not voting for Palmar? He creates a smear campaign against chaoser saying he lied when he didn't, and then apparently goes crazy and votes for everyone that voted him. Also, since his post history is almost all useless one liners and bandwagons, I'm just going to go ahead and: ##Vote: sinani206 | ||
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You took it out of quotes but put it in a spoiler, and zbot's currently counting votes in spoilers. Might want to fix that. | ||
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On November 18 2011 08:30 hyshes wrote: The fact he will never be lynched, doesn't say he can't be even if they try. That wording is what is giving people trouble. It makes it seem like even if we get the votes, he will somehow be able to avoid the lynch. | ||
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On November 18 2011 11:07 Lemonwalrus wrote: it is 8pm where I live right now, so US is 7, 8, 9, and 10pm right now. Wait, I got that wrong, it is 6, 7, 8, and 9 right now. Sorry lol. | ||
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On November 20 2011 04:21 Coagulation wrote: edit formatting ##vote: lemonwalrus ##vote: BumatLarge should be self explanatory. Why don't you spell it out for us? In other news: Someone asked me and a bunch of others about prplhz, I've been slowly finding him more and more scummy as the game has progressed. Almost all of my early scum reads are either dead townies or more or less confirmed townies in my eyes though, so I guess take that for what it is worth. Right now I see him as probably one of the best lynch targets. I could also see decent cases for nisani and for bum, although I would not be comfortable lynching bum right now. I am inclined to believe it, and am not trying to heap suspicions on either of them, but just want to know if I'm looking at it correctly: the hyshes-Drazerk mason claim MUST be one of the following: 1. They are both town and telling the truth. 2. They are both scum and this is the riskiest thing ever. If those two options are the only ones, I believe them for obvious reasons. I'm not saying I suspect him now, but I am now going over chaoser's posts from the beginning of the game. I feel that I sheeped to him on day 1 because I had strong town feelings about him, but now with new information that has come to light I feel that may have been a mistake. | ||
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##Vote: Nisani201 I'm still undecided about chaoser...this game is hard.  | ||
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But sure, if you want to live in a world where scumslips are that simple and mafia is that cut and dry, then by all means, vote for me. | ||
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On November 23 2011 01:46 Zephirdd wrote: Are we still going to do that "give little to no information until day 3" thing to mess up with mafia? Sounds reasonable. Any info released during the night seems more likely to help mafia in some way than town. | ||
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Is it paranoid of me to ask that question? Someone hold me. | ||
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On November 24 2011 06:36 Lanaia wrote: Also, did Lemonwalrus fall off the planet or have I just missed his most recent posts? Posted some time around the start of the day and then went to bed. Got up and had work to do, now I am reading the ridiculous goings on since my last post and coming up with something that might hopefully inject some order into this game. I'll post again in a bit. | ||
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I'm going to be traveling and whatnot all over the place on thanksgiving...so after this next post and maybe another small post or two at some point tonight, I'm not really going to be able to post again till Friday morning CST. (I mean, I will have enough access to make posts during the day tomorrow, but I will not have the time necessary to do enough reading to make them useful in any way.) So yeah, just giving fair notice that I am probably only going to make one post tomorrow to avoid being replaced, and it probably won't be of much value. But on Friday I'll be back to regular posting. | ||
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Cyber_Cheese - Could go either way on him, but any lynch movement on him would need some really solid reasoning to gain my support. DCLXVI - I'm willing to believe he is town for now, but I'm not entirely done observing his actions. Forumite - His voting alone is suspect, and with his actions in the thread, I'm leaning more and more scum on him every day. Possible lynch candidate. GreYMisT - His voting isn't great, but I've had town feelings on him since early. Not ready to consider lynch on him just yet though. RebirthOfLeGenD - Probably town, not particularly useful though so far. My opinion on him is incomplete as of right now. Kibibit - Lurking, could support him as lurker lynch candidate, but I doubt he is scum, so I'd rather hold off for now. Lanaia - Bad voting but I think town. Lemonwalrus - I'm town. Nisani201 - Probably scum. Willing to allow more time before voting for him, but currently plan to at end of day. Doubt anything more than a claim with something to back it up would stop me at this point. Palmar - I've followed him most closely of all other players since the beginning of the game, and although at the beginning I thought he might be scum I am now certain he is not. His actions and votes have been in line with his reasoning and his reasoning has been some of the best in the thread. Sabin010 - Lurker that feels scummy. Tyrran - Very confident he is town at this point in time. Zephirdd - Voting record bad, but not confident enough about it to lynch him. bumatlarge - Feels scummy, but every argument I form for it falls apart to my own counterarguments. Idk. MrZentor - So damn confused about this one. hyshes - I find it so ridiculously unlikely that he is anything but town after Drazerk's flip that I'm willing to take it as an unquestionable truth at this point in time. wherebugsgo - Parrots palmar a bit much, but I don't feel he is scummy, at least not right now. xsksc - Post more? No good read on him atm. Only put colors on ones that I was particularly confident of. Done for now. | ||
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I can target one person a night and I receive a PM in the morning that tells me what their role is. Night 1 I targeted Palmar and he is indeed the DT that can only check people he voted on like he said he is. Night 2 I targeted Nisani201 and he returned no role. So he is either vanilla townie or vanilla scum, but you all killed him before I could weigh in so w/e. | ||
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Forumite, I don't believe your claim, and assuming the voting thread is correct, I'm going to be the vote that lynches you. Sorry if I'm wrong. ##Vote: Forumite As for other votes...pretty much just the people that haven't claimed with modifications for who I really really think is town. ##Vote: Coagulation ##Vote: Kibibit ##Vote: MrZentor ##Vote: bumatlarge I'm going to go ahead and put a prediction out that bum is the GF. ##Vote: Sabin010 | ||
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Good news....my results on WBG are confirmed by his flip...so at least we know my ability is calibrated correctly. :| I'm actually shocked that I survived the night. ##Vote DCLXVI ##Vote Cyber_Cheese ##Vote Sabin010 | ||
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That being said I'm almost sure the three I voted for are scum. Can't really think of who the final one is though. I wanted to say bum, but his last vote doesn't fit with that. I think I'm going to take a long look at Zephirdd. | ||
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Two scum ought to be enough for us to survive the night and win tomorrow. | ||
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On November 30 2011 00:25 Palmar wrote: lemon claimed a rolecop who checked me night one I need to bullshit check that at some point. I didn't breadcrumb (newbie mistake) but you can clearly see that day 1 I wanted you dead and then all of a sudden day 2 I was your biggest supporter (besides possibly WBG). When I saw you throwing votes every which way on top of your case on chaoser I thought you were scum, but once I knew how your role worked I #1, knew your role would be useless as scum, and #2, knew that you voting for more people just made your role that much better at night. I have some plans that may help us tomorrow but I don't want to spill them till after the night kills because I don't want to give the mafia direction on who would be best to kill. Besides I'm sure everyone has some idea of what we need to do tomorrow at this point. Anyways, assuming I survive the night, I'm fine with being lynched tomorrow as long as we also lynch the remaining scum. | ||
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On November 30 2011 06:47 Palmar wrote: explain please, you knew this had nothing to do with me or my role at this point. a joke? Not a good one...but there you have it. | ||
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The only time I ever did what might be considered well was when I was scum and had teammates directing my actions. Although I'm willing to blame excessive business for part of the inactivity portion of my suck in this game. I think I'm going to take a break from mafia or only join smaller games until I know for sure I can commit the time and effort to pull my own weight. | ||
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