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On November 08 2011 04:21 xsksc wrote: I mean I'm currently in a game, but by the time this starts its likely to be over. I meant is it actually against the rules to sign up for one when your current game is still in progress. I couldn´t find a rule against it in the OP, so should work, although it´s generally not a good idea to be in two games at once. | ||
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Because every single game deserve 100% of your attention for analysis and rereading the thread. If you are in more than one game, then either one or both games suffer because you are not dedicating enough time to it. | ||
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On November 09 2011 03:19 risk.nuke wrote: I am third party "God". I can edit other peoples role in game. All three of you are now adorable kittens. That´s a kitten! | ||
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On November 09 2011 11:09 redFF wrote: /out You need to edit your post where you signed up. | ||
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I´m a bit worried about the mechanic that punish Town for lynching several players each day, it could very well be linked to random deaths or Scum getting more Killpower. If lynching many at once shortens the game by giving Scum extra killpower, then it´s better to lynch 1-2 and getting a few more days of discussion, instead of going crazy and lynching 5-6 because we think we have found the full scumteam. | ||
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On November 11 2011 07:46 jaybrundage wrote: Hm i was hoping we would start today. Im really looking foward to my first game :D GM will be back soon. He posted that he would be away a few days, and anyway it´s not unusual for a game to take a week to start, it takes a while before enough people sign up, then there´s some work for the GM to set the role list and send out PMs. Give it a day or two, it will start. We´re still missing 1-2 players, aren´t we? | ||
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On November 11 2011 07:59 wherebugsgo wrote: Just as a heads up for everyone in the thread, I'm going to be pushing for redFF's lynch regardless of my alignment. Aww yeah. This guy sounds legit. | ||
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On November 11 2011 08:27 Kurumi wrote: Well, this looks like a really formal game and I am in mood to troll. Because metashit. FoS Kurumi | ||
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On November 11 2011 11:25 GMarshal wrote: Hahaha! You funny man! I kill you last! People say a lot of things in the heat of the moment, but then we never really carry grudges ^_^ | ||
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On November 11 2011 19:28 Palmar wrote: I have a personal vendetta against townies who get themselves lynched day 1. I Blame Society! (Damn the PC for claiming right after we went offline) | ||
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On November 12 2011 14:50 Erandorr wrote: If she comes back and changes the title to "I <3 Ponies so much, especially Fluttershy Mafia" it would explain a lot though ^.^ That setup would be about 20% cooler though. | ||
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On November 13 2011 09:16 GreYMisT wrote: It would be a lot easier if everyone just would agree to not kill me. Hmmm, nope. Sorry, can´t help you. | ||
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On November 13 2011 09:50 GreYMisT wrote: I shall never forget this slight against my honor. My name is Forumite, you hammered my father Day 1, prepare to get lynched! | ||
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You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. | ||
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On November 14 2011 23:49 Sabin010 wrote: When do we get our roles? GM said it would start sunday or monday evening, so probably "soon"™ | ||
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Can you start the game? Host, GM, same thing, right? | ||
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On November 15 2011 02:48 GMarshal wrote: Oh, I see, it was one of those "Jokes" I´ve heard so much about. I was joking, I have no power over the game, and yes, host and GM are interchangeable, but every time someone uses GM instead of Host I assume they are talking about me, because people keep abbreviating my name as GM. ^_^ | ||
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On November 15 2011 04:50 GreYMisT wrote: Not a day goes by that I Don't wish people really talked like this. Double negative, so confused... =( | ||
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On November 15 2011 04:53 GMarshal wrote: A rejuvenating coma during which you may or may not have vivid hallucinations akin to reality during several hours, which, after emerging from the coma you may not have any recollection of. Also you may or may not lose control of your body upon the first few seconds of reemerging. Regularly the recalled hallucinations are unsettling, but my mental auditor assure me that the ultimate cause is simply distorted, repressed memories pertaining to previous encounters with your maternal progenitor. + Show Spoiler + Sorry, couldn´t resist | ||
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On November 15 2011 16:12 LSB wrote: Wtf does this mean? Are you saying you are taking Kenpachi seriously? Stop talking hypotheticals, iirc you've played with Kenpachi before. Even if you have not you can go through his posts and figure out how he plays. In addition you've played before so you know how TL mafia is in the first few hours. I honestly don't see how I´m going to step in here. DCLXVI allready caught this and posted before me, but I don´t think my reason for noticing has been discussed. Okay, to me it looks like this; LSB wants us to Lynch All Liars. Kenpachi claimed Townie, but LSB doesn´t want us to take the Kenpachi claim seriously. My problem here is that either Kenpachi lied, or he just told Scum not to nightkill him, because it would be no use. If we are going to go by the LAL policy, then either Kenpachi lied or acted Pro-Scum, so why should we back off? Kenpachi does this every game, then we can ignore his claim, but what I don´t agree with is LSB promoting LAL wanting to ignore the claim, even if it is meta. It took him about 5 posts to go back on his own policy of Lynch All Liars. If Kenpachi lied (or play Pro-Scum), why does LSB then defend him after his first policy post? FoS LSB As for lynching 1-2 lurkers and 1-2 scum, sounds reasonable, I think we should stay at about that number for now. We need to be carefull about lynching, not just because of the consequences in the setup, but if we find 5 players who seem connected, then it´s better to lynch 1-2 and see if they are scum, than lynching all 5 at once and kill 5 innocent townies at once. | ||
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On November 16 2011 00:22 Sabin010 wrote: I think its too early to start random lynching. I'm sure some of the lurkers are blues and have yet to get a chance to even check their role. We could get lucky and kill scum, but I have seen to many games where we lose our cop or doc first day and end up wasting our time as the mob picks us off. Was that a scumslip? Because usually it´s the mob that picks itself off. "Us" implies that you are not part of the mob. Are you scum? | ||
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On November 16 2011 01:15 Nisani201 wrote: Ummm... what? I'm sure you know this. Kenpachi's townie claim means nothing. It never means anything. He does it every single game. LSB ignoring it does not imply contradiction; it implies common sense. And your FoS on him is incredibly scummy. FURTHERMORE, claiming town is not pro-scum, because it is in everyone's best interest to appear as a vanilla towie. Townies want to look green because they are green. Blues want to look green so that they are not a Mafia target. And Mafia wants to look green (most of the time) because they don't want to get lynched. Claiming Town is in the persons own best interest, but Town isn´t helped by people claiming Town, it doesn´t give us anything, except knowing that people are saying things we can´t possibly trust. Anyway I don´t much care about the claim, Kenpachi isn´t the one who said that we should lynch all liars. I understand that you want to defend LSB but I really want to hear an answer from him, not you, Nisani. | ||
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On November 16 2011 00:53 Zephirdd wrote: > Games where "we" lose our cop or doc first day and end up wasting our time as the mob picks us off. I assume "the mob" means "the scum", unless I'm terribly wrong at English. which would end up translating to "as the scum picks us(the town) off". Nothing wrong here imo. Yeah, I caught my mistake right after posting. I saw Mob and thought of Town on a murderous rampage lynching Town for mistakenly lynching other Town. A Mob is a large gathering of people without much direction or reason, while Scum are a small and organized group. In Mafia, Mob usually fit Town better than Scum. | ||
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I´m not following the case on Sabin010, is it only the confusion about him playing a lot IRL but none here, or something more? | ||
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On November 16 2011 12:04 LSB wrote: Bandwagoning much? I have no idea what you're trying to pretend I'm saying but from what it looks like, you didn't read my post and you are just parroting 666. What I don´t like is you advocating not lying as a general rule, but ignoring Kenpachi for doing an either useless, Pro-Scum or Anti-Town claim. If we are using LAL then why are we leaving Kenpachi alone because of his metagame, when his metagame is very unhelpfull for Town? That´s the inconsistency I have a problem with, why you want a big overarching policy but only apply it sporadically, and why specifically Kenpachi is spared your wrath. | ||
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On November 16 2011 17:07 prplhz wrote: If we ignore lurkers day1 then we will have 6-7 posts of theirs by day2 lynch. Then they will not be lurkers anymore and we can start discussing what they have posted. Also, arguing about lynch-all-lurkers defeats the purpose of the policy itself as it will allow people to lurk even harder. But not in this game, because by day2 lynch they will have 6-7 posts anyway. Am I getting through to you at all? prplhz, 6-7 posts during a week of play is nothing, we can´t really get a read from just that and will be forced to lynch them anyway. I can see that you want to wait with lynching, but I don´t think the end result will be any different if we do it day 2 instead. We might as well push lurkers now and get more activity. | ||
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On November 16 2011 17:14 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Coagulation comes to mind http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=22673 A single post telling us to just lynch Kenpachi without thinking much about it. Right... | ||
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WBG, even if there are players that often lurk, metagame isn´t the issue, the issue is that lurking hurts Town. If they do this often and get away with it it´s probably because it´s harder to deal with lurkers in other games where only one player is lynched each day, them lurking in other games hurt just as much there. Having a history of lurking is no excuse. | ||
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On November 16 2011 18:13 wherebugsgo wrote: My point is that you can't lynch all lurkers, and it's certainly optimal to lynch some over others. I agree that history of lurking is no excuse for lurking, but then if we're going to actually lynch a lurker today we need to figure out which one that is. The other thing I want to stress is that focusing on lurkers is going to distract us from the scum who aren't lurking. Hell, if we are fervent enough about punishing lurkers a lot of them will probably just become active and lose a lot of suspicion. Okay, we shouldn´t lynch all at once in case some of them just have a slow start. IMO the goal of lynching lurkers is to activate Town and to force scum to post or die, if scum change their playstyle then it´s actually a win for us. On the subject of this taking attention from scumhunting, unfortunate, but what else can we do? Waiting until the last few hours before the lynch will only make it harder to get enough votes on the lurkers. | ||
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On November 16 2011 21:29 Palmar wrote: Tyrranhey guys, I'm in a good mood today, so here's a great offer to you: I will write an alignment analysis on the first three players people ask me to do. Each player can only select one person for me to analyse, and I will provide a post for each subject on what I currently think of their alignment. Go! | ||
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On November 15 2011 14:13 xsksc wrote: This is my first proper mafia game, just finished a newbie mini-game the other day. GLHF Everyone!:D Just found this little gem. Looks like a typical newbie scumpost. His filter suggest the same. FoS: xsksc | ||
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On November 16 2011 22:09 xsksc wrote: Sorry, what? I posted this before the game even got going, I was breaking the ice and being friendly, what is scummy about it? It IS my first real mafia game, I'm excited about it. Several others have said it's their first game too. Can you enlighten me, why do you think it's a newbie scumpost? No, the game had allready started. You confirmed getting your role first of all players, then when people got going with discussing policy, you dropped the above post. During 2 hours people had been talking about policy, and even dropped a few weird posts that have since been called out, so the game had definetly started. And about which part is scummy about it? Everything! You excuse yourself as a new player, thereby lowering our expectations on your contribution in the game, making way for future lurking. It´s an empty icebreaker, full of forced enthusiasm. The message of the post is "I´m trying to help but will probably fail". Is that the kind of player we are going to rely on in this game, or someone who will be left until the end because noone will bother to shoot him? | ||
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On November 16 2011 23:50 xsksc wrote: That's a pretty silly assumption, my post said nothing of the sort. Why does "This is my first big game" become "I'm trying to help but will probably fail"? What makes you think that because I'm new to this sort of thing, I'm just gonna be a hindrance? Sure, I don't have the same experience as some of the veterans here, but I can still be just as useful. I'm not using being new as an excuse to "lurk", I've actually posted a decent ammount already. You really seem to be over-analyzing a simple hello post, I don't know what else to say. 25% of your posts are used for defending against my FoS, so I wouldn´t call it having posted a decent amount. The posts you have is mostly policy, and a FoS on sabin010, something echoed by too many other players for my taste. You are among the players I might have put on a lurker list. Fine, I´ll give you the benefit of doubt, let´s say you don´t want to use being new as an excuse not to contribute. If so, can you give us/me your opinion of the game so far? Is there anyone apart from the usual suspects (chaoser, sabin010 and kenpachi) that you think needs our attention, or that you want to, for whatever reason, see more posts from? I want to know who you think is acting weird, but not who you think is a Town player. | ||
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On November 17 2011 01:24 risk.nuke wrote: ##Vote Forumite I'm not okey with you not responding to a direct vote against you. Please clarify, do you agree with the other votes and vote for that reason, or do you think me not responding is the scummy part? | ||
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On November 17 2011 02:21 risk.nuke wrote: Neither and both. You're FoSing two people on nothing. And then there is a similar thing on Sabini. Add to that letting the vote on you slip by without a hint of defense from your side. I don't know what you are doing but it is not pro-town play and that is why I vote for you. I disagree. My FoS is directed and doesn´t really involve anyone but me and my target, so I don´t disrupt the overall discussion much. I know that LSB and xsksc have to take a stand and answer when they are being called out, instead of just posting policy, one-liners and bandwagoning the latest target. I also know that since LSB responded with a long post to my FoS on him, he has posted twice, one useless spampost and one where he did a weak push on WBG and Chaoser. As for not defending from votes on me, they vote because the inital cases were kind of weak. That might be true, but that´s still not the point, I´m trying to get people talking, not getting them lynched due to one odd post. | ||
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If Coagulation isn´t modkilled due to inactivity then he is the lurker I want lynched today. ##Vote: Coagulation | ||
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Lanaia - Stupid mistake, but I think the un-anti-voting was motivated by being pressured/embarassed rather than trying to kill Kenpachi. I want to hear more from LSB and xsksc. LSB has been offline for almost a full day. Those two are nowhere near the only lurkers, just the ones I feel responsible for. | ||
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On November 17 2011 10:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote: In a game with mutli-lynch, it's harder to define the boundaries of what is muddying the waters and what is legitimate contribution. He was voting without reasoning, on people he never mentioned. And we know it was on purpose because he did it twice. So what? That was almost 2 IRL days ago. Why focus on just his first posts when he has posted so much after that? | ||
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##Vote: xsksc ##Vote: LSB | ||
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On November 17 2011 19:37 Palmar wrote: Following that latest post of Bumatlarge's, I'd probably lynch him. Wherebugsgo asked me about Bum earlier, to which I responded him being a null read, but that is such a bad post, I see no motivation for town to post in such a manner. I do not agree with most of your reads at the moment, but you seem genuine enough in your accusations that I also don't think you need to be looked at specifically at the moment. On November 17 2011 19:45 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Prplhz is my second strongest scum read, but he manages to do that every game, so lynching right now would be Sinani. Thanks for your answers. I´m almost certain that Kenpachi is Town, due to how easily he was lynched early in the day, not sure what that says about Chaoser and Lanaia. | ||
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On November 17 2011 22:13 xsksc wrote: I was asleep while all that shit went down last night I can't help it man, when I'm on nothing happens. I posted my analysis a couple of hours ago and not much has happened since then. What are your current reads forumite? Still think think I'm newbie scum based on my hello post? Cause honestly, that was a pretty silly case. Yeah, I don´t think you are scum, I still want you active in the game. The original case was a gamble, scum have been caught by things like that. It didn´t work now, but I also have your word that you are going to contribute despite being a new player, so it´s still a win! I´m agreeing with Palmar, we need another lynch, ONE by the way, not 5. I don´t want Chaoser or Lalala lynched. I have to run now, but will be back several hours before the lynch. | ||
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On November 18 2011 04:16 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Well thats enough derping around, refreshing the page and wishing someone would post something. Anyone doing the same, who isn't currently voting on Chaoser, what is your stance on him and why? Similarly, anyone who's played with Prplhz/Sinani before and isn't voting them, what is your take on their current alignments? They both seem to do the same thing every game, and they are doing it We have currently killed someone for lurking. Personally I don't want a Sinani lynch to happen right now, but it's better than none. I feel like Chaosers flip will provide us with more information and a much higher chance of hitting scum than Prplhz flipping, based off both reputations and actions so far in game. Those are the three candidates I'm currently willing to consider, outside of making Drazerk prove his claim. As I've said before, more than three lynches is something I don't want to risk. Earlier I disliked the Chaoser lynch because it felt like everyone wanted it, it didn´t think it would look like that if he was scum. I´m not as sure now, because the pressure on him hasn´t risen since yesterday, I guess it depends on if he´s shaping up or scum don´t want to hammer one of their own. I still think we should keep him alive, because he HAS shaped up since the first random votes. Perhaps not by much. Either way I don´t think we should kill ALL our veterans before they get a chance to contribute, they can´t all be scum after all. When I posted and went offline, I had my eye on Bumatlarge. He´s been pointed out as scummy by several players, more than the 4 votes would suggest, unlike the Drazerk bandwagon that flared up over a few hours and have twice the number of votes now. Part of the reason I want him lynched is that I want to know how good Chaoser, Kenpachi and Palmar really are. ##Vote: bumatlarge I really don´t like Drazerk's hint that he is unlynchable, either it´s a stupid powerclaim or an arrogant scumclaim, none of which is very flattering to his ability. I haven´t looked closer at him than that yet. | ||
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On November 18 2011 07:20 Tyrran wrote: So within four hours, we must focus on getting another lynch. We already have 2 people a 8 votes, i suggest we focus on them. Both look scummy, both are in my likely scum list, yet Drazerk voted for Sinani206 so its unlikely that both are scum. I have 2 problems with this. First, if we wait until the last hour without lynching someone, then we will most likely get stressed and desperate to get another player lynched, and we are going to make mistakes. In the confusion Scum can easily sway Town and later blame the confusion for their anti-Town behavior. If there´s no other lynch an hour before lynch then we should let it be and be content. Second, if there are 5 Townvotes on two players, one Town and one Scum, then Scum are putting two of their own votes on the Town to push it to 7v5. Sinani206 and Drazerk are definetly suspicious, but I don´t want us to ignore Coagulation or bumatlarge, I think all 4 are worth looking at, and with 4 there´s a greater chance of a scum among them, forcing the others to speak up. | ||
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On November 17 2011 09:11 Drazerk wrote: Either he is doing a careless and unnecessary blueclaim, or a careless and unneccessary scumclaim. Unlike you I will never be lynched though ##Vote: Drazerk I don´t know what he´s doing, taunting to make Chaoser slip, or just being irritating, but I don´t like the style. For some reason I often connect acting like this to scum. ##Vote: sinani206 On November 17 2011 20:24 Coagulation wrote: But you are not doing anything here, in this game. Shape up, please? If the please isn´t enough then perhaps pressure will help. Who the fuck you calling useless as town? I fucking snipe godfathers constantly. ##Vote: Coagulation | ||
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On November 18 2011 09:34 risk.nuke wrote: there is so much last minute action going on. Still 1 hour, 20 minutes left, not last minute yet. Personally I´m aiming for last minute inactivity. | ||
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On November 18 2011 10:08 Kibibit wrote: I only haven't because I don't have any sort of coherent feelings about him. Not like it matters much, I'm generally confused about day 1 due to the lack of hard evidence besides looking at peoples posts and going "Yep, that's scummy" While it might sound harsh, a lot of the information we get from Day 1 is who is lynched, how they flip, and how the voting went down, and of those the flip is most crucial. If there´s a huge discussion about a player, people defending, soft defending and starting counter-bandwagons, then we can´t really only use that information unless we know the rule of someone involved. It´s often discussed in games where it´s possible to no-lynch how not lynching is just extending the first day with 1 less player, more time to talk but nothing solid to talk about. There is a point to lynching uncertain targets, if only because Town gets to decide who they want to know the alignment of, instead of waiting for Scum to choose who among the most influential Townies they want to flip. | ||
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On November 18 2011 10:28 sinani206 wrote: theres no such thing as a counter bandwagon in this game. I know, I wasn´t talking about this game specifically. | ||
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If he´s scum then it´s in his interest to keep Town in the dark as long as possible, or risk Town using the knowledge of his alignment to find other scum. Him saying he is Town doesn´t prove anything. | ||
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23 minutes left. I really wouldn´t mind 2 more votes on sinani206. | ||
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On November 18 2011 10:47 bumatlarge wrote: I'll look into sinani, he seems to post unsurprisingly similar to nisani, but I'm not feeling confident about him either. I don't really feel a need to defend the votes on me, everyone who has has given piss-poor reasons. If we only lynch kenpachi tonight, that would be alright, but I'm still sold on prphlz, and would prefer to get rid of him now. I nearly cut my finger in half so I'd rather keep my posts short, but I will try to post more if thats all people want. As if that is magically going to help town. I´m beginning to understand why you want to lynch prplhz. barely minutes left to vote sinani206, make up your mind. | ||
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On November 18 2011 11:33 prplhz wrote: hahahaha that lynch was totally your fault l2p you can't expect everybody to think that your lurking oneliner style is the greatest thing ever in mafia so stop being an asshole about it prplhz, sorry buddy but right now you look extremely bad. Your attempt to save sinani was posted moments after he got 14 votes on him, you were active and followed the discussion but didn´t contribute. You didn´t vote nor did you try to dissuade people despite stating that you were against the lynch. You just sat and watched as Town killed Town, without getting involved. prplhz is Scum | ||
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On November 18 2011 11:50 prplhz wrote: lol forumite It seems you need to work on your scumplay | ||
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On November 18 2011 12:39 wherebugsgo wrote: Yeah, I know I´ve done a few things that make me look bad in this game. I guess that means I´m improving my game a bit, if I can identify my own mistakes. I knew sinani would most likely flip Town, but I still thought it was worth it then and now. We now have lots of info and reads, much more than after the Kenpachi lynch, and we won´t have to deal with sinani at the endgame. Scum wouldn´t have shot him anyway. I´m just disappointed that they both flipped Blue, but that´s anger at them more than any fault of Town. They could have been more carefull about wasting Towns few power roles. This was exactly what I was thinking. Mostly the singular early and late votes. One of them is you though lolol Do you mind waiting until tomorrow to discuss where scum hide? prplhz I´m almost certain on, because of the odd way he avoided taking sides in a popular lynch that he obviously had a lot of opinions on, but for now I´d keep my scumreads under a lid. On November 18 2011 17:32 LSB wrote: You are lmost certainly surviving the night. Combining low activity, low town-cred and a single decent case doesn´t get you nightkilled, it gets you lynched. At least now you are trying to contribute and that is great, so please try and not go back to lurking. Any bets on whether or not I survive the night? Who are still lurking? Scum usually hide a few of their members among the forgotten players. | ||
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On November 18 2011 16:03 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: I still don't like Drazerk, and he seems dead-set on convincing us he will be useless whether he is town or scum. Not sure how much effort should be spent on him, but I'd like him to end up dead sooner rather than later. I also don't like the looks of LSB too much, but he is currently exceeding 24 hours without posting, so I don't see the point of pursuing something there unless he comes back before getting mod-killed. LSB is not going to be replaced due to inactivity. Expecting your read on him, preferably after the daypost. | ||
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On November 18 2011 22:28 risk.nuke wrote: Then we have the accusers. I know it's easy when you feel like you have a gut feeling on someone, you want them lynched and suddenly you've just copied something just so you type a reason to vote. Enough of that lazy shit, sit down and really think why you feel like you feel. That way when asked about it later you can answer truthfully. or maybe you realised you don't actually want the person dead after all. The next person who quotes someone and votes I am going to slap. Because if townies are throwing around votes without explaining an acceptable thoughtprocess mafia can do the same and nobody can tell the difference. In short. Defend yourself by explaining your truthfull thoughtprocess. Accuse someone by explaining your truthfull thoughtprocess. Now read this out loud 3 times. Doctors, please protect this man. I want him alive tomorrow. | ||
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On November 19 2011 00:24 Palmar wrote: well, to be fair, maybe it's just best if vigis hold their shots. I can relate to your list though I don't agree with all the reads (pending re-reading I'd say harbringer could be scum, and prplhz could be town). I´m ticked off by this. Of course prplhz COULD be Town, but I don´t think it´s very likely after some of his actions around the sinani lynch and earlier. Is there something specific in his play that makes you want to defend him, have you found a solid breadcrumb among his posts, do you have a strong hunch about him, or is it something else? | ||
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On November 19 2011 00:57 Palmar wrote: pending re-reading, as I already said. Notice the list-formatted posts I'm doing, I have a couple of 180's on reads in them, those are the result of me re-reading the thread. I just had a town gut on him early, remember that he was one of the people I did my initial alignment analysis on. I can understand that, I wrote him off as Town early too, but that changed. I am looking forward to hearing your opinion once you recheck him. I don´t know if I like people putting me on the townlist or not. Feels like a I get a gold medal, while simultaneously a huge target is painted on my forehead. | ||
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On November 19 2011 12:31 Coagulation wrote: Well looks like we lost the one voice of reason in a giant screaming derp fest. wasnt LSB taking bets that he would be killed night 1? Should probably go back and see who responded to that and how. If you are going to accuse me of something, why don´t you just go out and say it? You know that I, and perhaps others, answered LSB's post, me with how I thought it was unlikely he would get shot. Does that make me scum now? Because it really sounds like you WANT to accuse me of being scum without having to say it out loud, and I can´t find a reason for you to want to do that unless you are either terribly lazy and didn´t bother to check the relevant posts, or you are doing some sneaky anti-Town play. We want Transparency, say what you want to say, don´t just drop hints. Hinting vaguely is just one way to avoid guilt, drop hints to make Town focus on a player, then divorce yourself from the bandwagon by explaining that your hints meant something else. I don´t have to spell out that this is a tactic for Scum, not Town. I haven´t yet found a reason to reevaluate my new stance on prplhz. His play during the sinani hammering stand out as a player who wanted sinani dead while simultaenously making it look like his hands were clean, thereby avoiding the guilt of lynching a Town player. If he was against the lynch then he should have made an attempt to call it off, if he wanted to lynch sinani then he should have voted, not wanting to do either tells me he wanted sinani dead without having to do it himself, and only a Scum would act like that. ##Vote: prplhz | ||
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DCLXVI Sabin010 Lemonwalrus Kibibit RebirthOfLeGenD hyshes What do you think about prplhz? | ||
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On November 19 2011 22:02 prplhz wrote: Fine, you thought sinani was a bad lynch, but why didn´t you say so earlier? Your one line of "less people on sinani" is about all you say, you didn´t stand up and try to convince Town that sinani plays like this most of the time and that in your experience we should keep him alive because he doesn´t just look Town to you, but plays better in this game than many other earlier games. You dropped one line that wasn´t even really a defence of Sinani, it looked like you prefered another lynch, but nothing you said made sinani look any betterI highlighted the important part in bold and removed part of my post since you were apparently too lazy to read the whole thing in the first place. I thought I made my opinion very accessible but apparently not accessible enough. This was before he got hammered. Do you really think I stand out as a player who wanted sinani206 dead? Did I not make an attempt to call it off? Do I even have the power to call anything off, and in spite of this, did I not do everything I could to prevent sinani206 from being lynched? sinani206 ALWAYS sucks, I just thought he sucked considerably less in this game. Yes, I actually thought sinani206 was playing very well ... that is, compared to how he usually plays. We'd already lynched one lurker (I wanted him to perform because I know he's great at mafia, he shot two scum in XLV, and then when I came back you morons had actually lynched him on no ground at all, sucks) and as I'd already stated in the thread, lynching lurkers is something scum likes a lot more than town. I think this is very weird because I really didn't think you were this dumb. On November 18 2011 10:58 prplhz wrote: You did post one time in defence of sinani. I really like the post above, and it might have saved him if people read it. Then again, you posted your defence of sinani 2 minutes before the deadline, AFTER he had allready been hammered. You didn´t defend sinani until he was dead. If that was all you did to defend him, then how can I trust that you really wanted him alive? I don't know if Zona isn't just gonna give a warning first. I don't think I've been here for the last 24 hours either but hopefully I'm not getting modkilled. I mean sometimes you don't have all the time in the world and sometimes you forget how long it's been since last time you posted, it's not like either of us have been lurking all game. I actually think sinani206 has been surprisingly helpful to town this game compared to some of his other games. So please don't lynch him just because he's a lurker, day1 has already killed off one lurker who was most likely town. You say you wanted sinani alive, but you didn´t go to any effort to keep him alive. Your actions didn´t match your words, which makes you a liar, and not only a liar, but a liar whose lies resulted in a Townie dead, when you could have prevented it. That´s why you are going to be lynched today. | ||
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On November 19 2011 23:40 Tyrran wrote: Also Forumite pushed extremely heavily against Sinani206 during the last minutes of Day 1, despite his only case against him beeing : But then when prplhz called sinani206 bad for acting like that, he immediatly called him scum : From my point of view, I'd say Forumite stand against Sinani are more suspicious than prplhz. You are talking about two different things. Yes, my original case on sinani wasn´t very good, I know that, and I kept on it primarily because I wanted a lynch for information and sinani was the only possible lynch, but that has nothing to do with what prplhz did. My case on prplhz is that he thought sinani was Town, was online, but despite this he didn´t defend sinani, or even make clear that he was against the lynch until it was allready too late. That together with taunting the player he says he wanted to save but didn´t, it all scream scum to me. If he really wanted to save sinani then he would have tried, then seen the final hammer as a failure, not a victory worth taunting sinani for. | ||
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On November 19 2011 22:35 Drazerk wrote: ##Vote: prplhz Why do you vote for prplhz? Do you trust my reasoning on him completely, or do you have your own reasons for thinking he is scum? | ||
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On November 20 2011 00:49 Drazerk wrote: He's basically me this game which isn't good for anyone I don´t think I follow, could you clarify? Is he playing like you, which makes it hard to distinguish between you two, making you want to lynch him? Because that sounds crazy... | ||
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On November 20 2011 02:19 Kibibit wrote: Thanks for the answer. My honest, poorly put together opinion on prplhz is that he has said very little of use in getting much of a positive read. I'm fairly suspicious of him at this point. He's aggressive as hell, and the vast majority of his defenses consist of "I'm not mafia becsude you're all terrible" and his reasoning for goin after other players has been fairly empty at best. I was hesitant on kenpachi mostly because while he was whiny, nothing he did was particularly scumlike. The read I'm getting on prplhz is noticably less pristine. That said, I'll probaly wait a tick before throwing down the vote. I'm Leaning towards yes on prplhz and chaoser at this point What do you think about Drazerk and Nisani201? A large chunk of Town seem to want to lynch them. | ||
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On November 20 2011 02:31 prplhz wrote: What are you talking about? You definetly didn´t shout DO NOT LYNCH SINANI. You might think, or try to convince us, that you thought that was a good defence, but it wasn´t, which means you either made a huge mistake, or you are a liar. So ... I wasn't around and when I was around I had to go through 20 pages of chaoser and Palmar and wherebugsgo going at it and then finally when I reached the end of that shitstorm, I arrive at people wanting to lynch another known lurker. I didn't have a decidedly town read on him but I didn't think he was scummy enough at all. Look at his posts, all one liners. I just think they looked like he actually tried to contribute with his single lines compared to other games so I wrote in caps lock DO NOT LYNCH. Why the hell aren't you focusing on the moron who actually went ahead and lynched him instead, I believe it was hyshes but don't hold me up on that. On November 17 2011 11:18 prplhz wrote: This is you making a weak, but honest, attempt to aid Lanaia and Chaoser. Blaming the lack of time, I can accept that this is all you wrote at the time. START VOTING DRAZERK HIRORUBY AND CYBER_CHEESE STOP VOTING LANAIA AND CHAOSER On November 18 2011 10:53 prplhz wrote: This is you not being clear what you want us to do about sinani. Do you want less focus on the others because sinani has been discussed enough? It´s just as likely, and the first thing I thought when I read it, which is why your post isn´t a defence of sinani at all. It´s muddled and confusing, and it didn´t have the desired effect, unless the desired effect was to get some Towncred while Town mislynched. MORE PEOPLE ON DRAZERK, HIRORUBY, AND CYBER_CHEESE LESS PEOPLE ON SINANI206 | ||
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On November 20 2011 02:57 prplhz wrote: It was kinda to contrast the "MORE PEOPLE ..." thing. What do I mean by I want less people to vote sinani206 when he's on 13 votes and he needs 14 to die? I don't think I am being very unclear. Also, I meant every single thing I wrote in caps. I didn't have time to write 6 pages of huge posts like certain other players have done this game, I just posted what I wanted to happen and then the rest is really up to you guys. I thought maybe people would feel exhausted by all those huge posts and then they'd see my 10 word statements in caps and feel relieved and then they'd read them. I'm pretty sure everybody read my post. It doesn´t work that way. If what you post doesn´t convince us, then it´s not our fault, it´s your fault for writing bad posts, or for having a history of scumminess in this game. Saying "Don´t vote him" is not the same thing as defending. | ||
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We know how they work, but we don´t know how they works in this game. Did you both start with PM-rights to eachother from the beginning of the game, or did either of you need to choose the other to join the mason circle? Did your role-PM state that your mason-buddy is a confirmed Town player, or can one of you be scum? | ||
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On November 20 2011 04:23 prplhz wrote: This is the kind of play I would expect from scum, and I think you would have used this argument sooner if I hadn´t called you out during the night. If Town mislynch on their own, then Scum makes the most of it, both by getting Towncred by staying away from the lynch, and also throw Town into confusion by pushing whoever was on the lynch. This is insanity, I wrote before he was hammered that I wanted less people to vote for him. How is this subtly wanting him dead? I never called for a lynch on sinani206 at all, a lot of people voted him for shitty reasons and you should look at them instead. Look at people who voted him even though they know his meta. Look at hyshes who just ignored everything and played the newbie card voting for a guy in spite of all warnings. On November 20 2011 04:04 DCLXVI wrote: Yeah, I know I overreacted, but I got angry. A player who is playing scummy, makes a scummy and underhanded attempt to throw around suspicion without taking any responsibility himself. It looked like textbook scumplay, and I felt a need to call him out on it. also forumite, why did you react so harshly to coag's post? While I agree that he should have done what he asked in the post, it just seems to me you over reacted. | ||
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On November 20 2011 14:52 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: @Forumite Given what the daypost contained, I can't help but ask...why did you want me to post my read on him after the daypost rather than before? Scum don´t shoot those they think are going to be lynched anyway. If you have a solid case on LSB and present it during the night, this will probably causes scum to avoid LSB, expecting Day 2 to be spent killing LSB. If scum don´t know who Town want to lynch the next day, then they might kill off a few of the suspects for the next days lynch. Scum always kill townies, but if they are not sure about Towns opinions, then they might kill off suspicious Townies instead of confirmed Townies. This is why I often urge analysis to be posted the next day or 2 minutes before the daypost, to give scum as little information to base their nightkill on as possible. | ||
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On November 20 2011 14:41 prplhz wrote: You are distorting what really happened, and why you are being voted on. It´s not only that you made your defence of sinani hard to understand AND to take seriously, it´s also that for some reason you think it was all an adequate defence, and have accused the rest of Town for not taking it seriously. I´ve suspected that scum wouldn´t go on both bandwagons. The one on kenpachi filled up faster, which suggest that the one on sinani had fewer scum on it. If prplhz was Town then he would have stopped posting in all caps for a moment, and posted his REAL defence of sinani 15 minutes earlier and saved him. Scum prplhz instead avoided jumping on the wagon, divorced himself of guilt by making a the weakest of token defences in sinani´s favor, all so he could accuse the Townies who mislynched sinani of being scum. guys I don't think prplhz is scum, here is why... The case against me today is the following: before sinani206 was lynched I wrote in caps that I thought that people should stop voting for him. Since it was in caps, I clearly did not mean what I was saying. This means that I am scum. I disagree with this. prplhz, I really don´t think you are a bad player. Despite what happened in that game, your bait posts in TMMM was an effective way to start the day, it generated some discussion and got people active even if it didn´t help find scum directly. However that´s not the way to behave right before a lynch you are against. When you defend a Townie who is about to be lynched, you drop all attempts to bait scum, and post reasoned posts in defence of the candidate. You don´t care if scum and Town both read what you have to say, because you are only aiming to convince Town. You definetly don´t post in all caps, because noone will take posts like that seriously, you know this. Even you must know that your attempt to stop the lynch didn´t have any hope of changing the outcome, so why was that all you did to defend sinani? I´m always coming back to the question of motivation, and the only two possible reasons to act like you did around the lynch is that you are scum or an idiot, but as I don´t think you are this bad as a player, the only possible reason must be that you are scum. | ||
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On November 20 2011 19:52 wherebugsgo wrote: This should only be followed if you believe you're safe. If you think you're a scum target and you might die, you should always publish your reads before the night is over. Correct, but posting 2 minutes before night is over is better than posting at the beginning of the night, so that if scum want to change their nightkill based on last minute information, then at least their decision will be rushed. With 72 hours day-phase, there are few things that can´t wait until the day. | ||
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On November 20 2011 23:32 Forumite wrote: Has RoL posted anything yet? Answering my own question. Yes, RoL is here, and has posted 4 posts. He posted that he didn´t believe that Palmar was hit, but otherwise not much interesting from him so far. | ||
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On November 21 2011 02:16 DCLXVI wrote: I don't want to be modkilled. I have the perfect solution to your problem, simply answer the following few questions, which will take care of your modkill anxiety, and hopefully most of your mobkillproblems too. What do you think about prplhz? What is the most important reason that you think that? (that´s two questions) Hyshes and Drazerk, both Town or both Scum? Point out two players, NOT among the usual suspects, that you are suspicious of. Point out a third player, this time one who you think needs to contribute more, and if not is a candidate for a lurker lynch. | ||
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On November 21 2011 06:05 Palmar wrote: You´ve said for two days that you don´t have time to reread prplhz. Make up your mind on him and state your opinion in the thread, because I´m getting tired of waiting for you. I had an initial town read on prplhz, I'm sorry but I don't have time to expand upon that, so I'm just gonna go ahead and not support a lynch on him. I'm really sorry for my performance today, real life is just taking time away from me. here are my scumreads: ##Vote: DCLXVI ##Vote: chaoser ##Vote: Lemonwalrus ##Vote: RebirthOfLeGenD | ||
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On November 21 2011 08:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: You guys needs to calm down with the mass lynching though, how much time is left int he day cycle? I think it´s 26 hours left, but we don´t have to wait with lynching until the last hour. Personally I´d rather lynch too early than too late. | ||
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If you are busy now then at least make prplhz your first priority once you have time for Mafia again. | ||
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I would ask anyone that hasn´t taken a stand to make up your minds, and either vote prplhz, or tell us why he shouldn´t be lynched. Right now the lynch on prplhz is the most important issue for us to decide on. | ||
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On November 21 2011 08:51 Drazerk wrote: It´s not like in most games, where we just need the most votes on someone to lynch, and keep them there. It takes an effort to lynch, and until there´s enough votes, the target is safe, and waiting will make it harder to get those votes, as people go offline around the lynch. The only way to guarantee that everyone has a saying in this is to deal with it early. There is no difference between lynching early or later other than the fact the lynch target has more options to cause havoc after the lynch ( See kenpachi who I thought was lying about his role ) On November 21 2011 08:50 Palmar wrote: Just don´t take too long, it´s just a third of the day-phase left. yes, i will do. Unlike some other people in this game, when I do read up on people, I spend time on it to get it right. looking at the votes it's going to be really important for me to get prplhz right. So I'll do it on my own time. | ||
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On November 20 2011 04:04 DCLXVI wrote: @forumite about prplhz After reading through his filter I noticed a few things. He starts off cool headed and logical, arguing in a way I appreciate. He spends his time arguing about the LAL and lurkers we got bogged down in the first 36 hours. The interesting bit about that is that he says that he wants to lynch a lurker or two per day to prevent lurkers, but to also not slaughter bored townies too quickly. He then jumps on the Kenpachi bandwagon, apparently that was a good lurker to lynch... He also makes a small case on Hiroruby which was forgotten about as louder players took over the thread. While it was on a mildly telling post or two and imo not enough to lynch on, it should be reconsidered today. While RoL is a different player, we should not forget what Hiroruby said. Unfortunately, prplhz does not reinforce his arguments and so later in the day he instead opts to abandon logic in favor of volume in hopes of being heard over the chaoser/wbg/palmar shouting match. Based on his claims today he did this because he did not have time to make long convincing posts, and was too late to provide a reason to not lynch sinani. That last part is scummy, however the rest of it is not enough to warrant a lynch just yet. I do not agree with him that votes without a stated reason should be considered thought out, and that caps lock equals a convincing statement, but I suppose we all have different views on how much time should be committed to the game. Either I can believe that he did not have time for long posts or he wanted sinani dead, I have not made up my mind. If you are still undecided about prplhz then I hope you will make up your mind soon. For or against the lynch doesn´t matter, but take a stand. | ||
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On November 21 2011 16:36 xsksc wrote: Just woke up and skimmed the thread, got to run for work now. Just realised I hadn't voted yet, I'll post explanations for these later, hopefully during lunch. ##Vote: Prphlz ##Vote: Nisani201 Why would you vote without saying why? At least name the things that made you decide, if this is because of recent posts, long suspicion or some other reason. | ||
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On November 21 2011 18:43 prplhz wrote: If for or against doesn't matter then it seems like you're trying to lynch me for information. I'd very much prefer if you didn't do that. Don´t kid yourself, I want to lynch you after what you did around the sinani lynch. What I want DCLXVI to do is take a stand, to not stand by while the lynch goes down. I don´t want a repeat of yesterday, with people saying afterwards that they were against the lynch, but most important I don´t want you to avoid the lynch because players didn´t take time to consider the case on you. | ||
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On November 21 2011 19:07 Cyber_Cheese wrote: I was on the fence about this one. I still don't feel sure about voting him, and I feel like there are better options for today. ##Unvote: Prplhz I feel like Nisani is much in the same boat as him, with the difference that Prplhz seems to be able to express some form of transparency for things he does. Nisani has shown he is capable of making good posts + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366¤tpage=75#1495 And yet most of his posts are one liners, and votes with minimal explaination, he seems to be deliberately holding information back from the town ##Vote: Nisani Cyber_Cheese, saying that there are better options for a lynch is not a reason to unvote prplhz. What is the real reason prplhz doesn´t deserve your vote? Is it something he said? Why doesn´t the original case around the sinani lynch have any weight now? I hope it´s a good reason, because with 10 votes on prplhz, now 9, you are taking an active stand to defend him from the lynch, and I want to know why you would do that. | ||
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On November 21 2011 19:26 Cyber_Cheese wrote: He's hard to read, he makes some terrible moves as both town and scum. I want to lynch Nisani or Prplhz today, but not both, and I feel like Nisani is the scummier candidate. You unvote despite there being enough reason to lynch of prplhz, because you´d rather lynch Nisani instead? | ||
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On November 21 2011 19:44 Zephirdd wrote: Alright, hot topics. prplhz seems to be the hot topic, however while reading his filter I've been getting mixed feelings from him. His initial posts are terrible, however he provides a good point: "if you need a reason, just ask". I don't think people asked him enough earlier on, and yet they all went over him. People gave shit on him because of a Caps post, but he said it as well: town reads, scum just hunts for whatever thing could be used to create a case against him. Which leads me to ... Forumite, the first to vote on prplhz this day. During day 1, he did not vote Kenpachi despite clearly stating that his play was proscum/antitown. He then proceeded to vote for sinani and basically beg for votes. Later at night, he goes to direct doctors at risk.nuke, quoting a generic "Guys player better!" post by him. Forumite has been active on directing the players, directly asking about specific players. He also seems to be blind to prplhz's reasoning and is just following the case with the Caps Lock thing, just like scum would do it(attacking out of the slightest argument) Forumite also seems to put 110% of his efforts to lynch prplhz and prplhz only, as if he was trying to remove attention from other scummy looking players. This is my read on him. ##Vote: Forumite TL;DR: prplhz feels town for me, Forumite feels scum. That´s not the case on prplhz. The case on prplhz is that he says he wanted to defend sinani, but his defence was so bad that he should have known it wouldn´t work. That fit together with a scum agenda of allowing Town to kill Town while getting Towncred by defending Town, except in this case his defence of sinani was so laughable, not that that didn´t stop prplhz from trying to throw suspicion on the players on the lynch. Yes, I´m focusing 100% on prplhz, because right now it appears impossible to get enough votes on prplhz. If I don´t keep on the case on prplhz then he will most likely be forgotten and get away. | ||
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On November 21 2011 19:44 Zephirdd wrote: He also seems to be blind to prplhz's reasoning and is just following the case with the Caps Lock thing, just like scum would do it(attacking out of the slightest argument) I´m not convinced by his reasoning because nothing he says actually defend what he did. He still thinks he made it clear that he was against a sinani lynch, and that "LESS PEOPLE ON SINANI" was a well thought out post, which should have swayed Town opinion and saved sinani. | ||
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On November 21 2011 16:36 xsksc wrote: Just woke up and skimmed the thread, got to run for work now. Just realised I hadn't voted yet, I'll post explanations for these later, hopefully during lunch. ##Vote: Prphlz ##Vote: Nisani201 You misspelled your vote on prplhz. Zbot didn´t count it. | ||
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On November 21 2011 22:00 prplhz wrote: Can't you look for an alternative now then, so you will not end up lynching some ill-advised secondary opinion? What are you saying? That it will come to the situation Palmar described, that you will claim and we will lynch someone else in a haste? If you have anything else to defend yourself with, then post it now. I´ve allready spent most of the night and almost all of the day trying to lynch you. If you can prove I´m wrong about you then do it now, so we can put the next 12 hours to use by finding other scummy players. If you don´t have anything, then I´ll keep doing what I do, I´d rather focus on the case I built than try to follow the other weaker scumreads. | ||
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The relevant posts where prplhz defend sinani206. + Show Spoiler + prplhz defending sinani206 7 minutes before the lynch; On November 18 2011 10:53 prplhz wrote: ##Vote bumatlarge oh my god you suck MORE PEOPLE ON DRAZERK, HIRORUBY, AND CYBER_CHEESE LESS PEOPLE ON SINANI206 THANK YOU prplhz defending sinani206 2 minutes before the deadline, right after hyshes had cast the 14th vote; On November 18 2011 10:58 prplhz wrote: I don't know if Zona isn't just gonna give a warning first. I don't think I've been here for the last 24 hours either but hopefully I'm not getting modkilled. I mean sometimes you don't have all the time in the world and sometimes you forget how long it's been since last time you posted, it's not like either of us have been lurking all game. I actually think sinani206 has been surprisingly helpful to town this game compared to some of his other games. So please don't lynch him just because he's a lurker, day1 has already killed off one lurker who was most likely town. prplhz lamenting that his defence didn´t save sinani206; On November 18 2011 11:33 prplhz wrote: hahahaha that lynch was totally your fault l2p you can't expect everybody to think that your lurking oneliner style is the greatest thing ever in mafia so stop being an asshole about it After sinani was lynched, I called out prplhz on this. The first posts were the usual ignoring pressure, but eventually he took the case seriously. He says that his defence of sinani was actually meant to help (he later took this back), that he thought it could save sinani, that it was irrelevant that it was posted in ALL CAPS because Townies would take it seriously anyway. This didn´t make any sense, sinani should have known that he wouldn´t have been taken seriously for posting in ALL CAPS. Finally he resorted to defend himself by pointing out that he himself didn´t vote for sinani, saying that those who did are the ones we should be suspicious of. That is the real reason for the token defence, as Scum he knew sinani was a mislynch, he could sit back and defend sinani for Towncred, and to throw suspicion on the townies involved with the mislynch. Being under pressure didn´t allow him to go with the original plan, but he still used this argument to try and defend himself. The relevant posts of prplhz defending himself and attempts to throw suspicion on others. + Show Spoiler + prplhz saying he did what he could to stop the lynch; On November 19 2011 22:02 prplhz wrote: I highlighted the important part in bold and removed part of my post since you were apparently too lazy to read the whole thing in the first place. I thought I made my opinion very accessible but apparently not accessible enough. This was before he got hammered. Do you really think I stand out as a player who wanted sinani206 dead? Did I not make an attempt to call it off? Do I even have the power to call anything off, and in spite of this, did I not do everything I could to prevent sinani206 from being lynched? sinani206 ALWAYS sucks, I just thought he sucked considerably less in this game. Yes, I actually thought sinani206 was playing very well ... that is, compared to how he usually plays. We'd already lynched one lurker (I wanted him to perform because I know he's great at mafia, he shot two scum in XLV, and then when I came back you morons had actually lynched him on no ground at all, sucks) and as I'd already stated in the thread, lynching lurkers is something scum likes a lot more than town. I think this is very weird because I really didn't think you were this dumb. prplhz throwing suspicion at those who lynched sinani, a lynch he himself avoided taking a stand on; On November 20 2011 02:31 prplhz wrote: So ... I wasn't around and when I was around I had to go through 20 pages of chaoser and Palmar and wherebugsgo going at it and then finally when I reached the end of that shitstorm, I arrive at people wanting to lynch another known lurker. I didn't have a decidedly town read on him but I didn't think he was scummy enough at all. Look at his posts, all one liners. I just think they looked like he actually tried to contribute with his single lines compared to other games so I wrote in caps lock DO NOT LYNCH. Why the hell aren't you focusing on the moron who actually went ahead and lynched him instead, I believe it was hyshes but don't hold me up on that. Now I am defending people in the interest of getting them lynched? Well that's up hill now wouldn't you say so. I said what I meant, the guy shouldn't get lynched. Blaming me for getting him lynched is stupid when all I ever said was that he was a moron but that he was probably town and people shouldn't vote him. @hyshes Why the hell did you vote sinani206 after I had written IN CAPS LOCK that you shouldn't vote him? Why did you think it was a good idea? What kind of information did you hope to gain from it? What information did you actually end up gaining? You didn't comment on his lynch at all since it happened so it doesn't seem like you got any information from it. Also your filter is very underwhelming at first sight, didn't have time to read it through 'cause I kinda have to go cook some food right now. Again accusing the people on the lynch; On November 20 2011 04:23 prplhz wrote: This is insanity, I wrote before he was hammered that I wanted less people to vote for him. How is this subtly wanting him dead? I never called for a lynch on sinani206 at all, a lot of people voted him for shitty reasons and you should look at them instead. Look at people who voted him even though they know his meta. Look at hyshes who just ignored everything and played the newbie card voting for a guy in spite of all warnings. I'm gonna read your god damn filter later, I had to go cook food 'cause my sister was bitching at me, does that make me scum? Jesus christ. I never said that caps lock equals convincing statement, but does it equal unconvincing statement? I posted my opinion very clearly. Unfortunately I was too late and hyshes didn't give a shit anyway (who the hell doesn't take a post seriously just because it's in caps, jesus christ. If you had any doubts, why didn't you ask before you hammered?) so sinani206 ended up lynched. Not a big deal anyway, it's not like he would have scum hunted ever and his role required a lot of skill to use. Would have been useful at a mylo though. ##Unvote Drazerk For now. He has said that he made an attempt to call of the lynch, and now back off, saying he didn´t defend sinani; On November 20 2011 05:06 prplhz wrote: I never said that I defended sinani206, I honestly don't care that you killed him 'cause he would have been useless anyway, I just had a slight townie feeling about him because I thought he was trying harder than he was in PYP:I where he was scum. And there is no reason to lynch a townie, though with sinani206 there's not much reason to not lynch him either. If you would rather listen to "stop voting i think he's town" than "STOP VOTING" then what the hell. I see your logic, but I don't think that's what I did. I wrote my opinion, if you don't care about it because it's in caps then that's your fault. My statements were not hard to read at all and I made my opinion pretty clear. | ||
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On November 21 2011 22:29 Palmar wrote: So yeah, for transparency and people just looking for the verdict (though I would argue that reading the entire thought process is extremely helpful) I'm going to (despite never having voted him) ##Unvote: prplhz That´s not transparency, that´s you trying to trick people into thinking the wagon on prplhz just stopped. If you want transparency, post that you think prplhz is Town with big green letters. | ||
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On November 21 2011 23:25 Palmar wrote: It isn't a defense. I didn't defend him around the sinani206 case. As I stated, the post was written as I read through prplhz's posts. If I had stopped there I probably would've voted prplhz, because the two things that are really off on him, are what he did around the sinani206 lynch, and what he did to try to discredit me. I didn't stop reading, I went through, and in the end, despite that I think he's town. I have explained what I think about him, and in great detail how I came to that conclusion. I wasn't straight up defending him, because I only decided my conclusion right at the end of that post. So basically I caught his scummyness around the Day 1 lynch, but since he´s been very carefull in his posting and has managed to convince you to overlook the earlier misstep, even though there is no way to defend what he did. | ||
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On November 21 2011 22:29 Palmar wrote: Another thing that really works in prplhz's favor is the fact that he doesn't lose sight of the end goal while he's being scrutinized. He has all the while through defending himself kept calling people out for bullshit and attempted to create cases. I recall that this was used as an argument against Kenpachi, people said he was creating chaos because he was accusing people more than he was defending himself. During all this I haven´t found any defence of prplhz. Those who think him Town do this because of the rest of his posts, but noone can find a pro-Town reason for his actions around the sinani lynch, the best that has been presented is Palmar explaining it as prplhz not feeling comfortable to defend someone he thought was Town. | ||
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On November 21 2011 23:59 Palmar wrote: Yes. Why do you care? You're probably town too, and no matter how this goes down I'm going to look bad for it. You're not going to be swayed. Do you not want discussion? You asked for my thoughts, these are my thoughts. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm right. Just making things clear. It sounded in your post and the unvote like you had the perfect defence for prplhz, but in the end you didn´t touch on the issue that caused all this. What I think is suspicious about you is your defence of prplhz, but that only makes you Scum if prplhz is Scum. | ||
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On November 22 2011 00:15 chaoser wrote: while I'm still here: ##vote: prplhz ##vote: palmar I don´t know if I should thank you for voting prplhz, or vote to get you lynched for voting without explanation... | ||
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On November 22 2011 03:32 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Unless I'm mistaken, thats makes 12. Prplhz is effectively dead come night, so there is no point discussing him. Anyone around that hasn't taken a stance on Chaoser/Palmar, I want to hear your opinion. Lets get discussion going again before it becomes last minute like Sinani. I think there are 11 votes on prplhz right now. He is not lynched yet, so we can´t dismiss him just yet. | ||
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On November 22 2011 04:22 Coagulation wrote: ##vote: prplhz I wouldnt mind lynching ROL either after his "LOL LETS LYNCH KENPACHI" a real credit to town. And hammered. prplhz will be lynched in 6.5 hours. | ||
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Lemonwalrus and Chaoser, why should they be lynched? Is there a strong case on eitehr of them or general scumread and disruptive behavior? | ||
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On November 22 2011 06:39 prplhz wrote: Hmm that sucks. Well I have a pretty powerful blue role but I thought I could wait for a few more votes before claiming and then when I came back I was dead. Well gg and sorry town. prplhz, why U no claim sooner? Okay, there´s still hours before the lynch goes down. Can you give us your reads? Did your power give any results? | ||
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On November 22 2011 07:26 prplhz wrote: Yea, don't ask me questions about my claim, I could be scum! But I wanna! Did you use your power yet, and did it give anything interesting? | ||
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On November 22 2011 07:33 MrZentor wrote: Okay, I saw Prplhz was being attacked, so I filtered his posts. At first, I thought he seemed scummy, but after I saw his reasoning and how he defended sinani, I decided he was clean. But then I saw that he defended sinani moments after the final vote was counted. He wanted to make it look like he was defending the innocent guy without actually doing it. This seems pretty suspicious. ##Voterplhz P.S. I hope that vote worked. prplhz is allready lynched, better luck next time. How much left do you have to read? | ||
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On November 22 2011 07:35 MrZentor wrote: ##Vote: Prphlz Dumb space.. Ehhh, this time you misspelled his name. He´s still lynched though | ||
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On November 22 2011 07:56 prplhz wrote: Alright since it's you asking Cyber_Cheese <3 I watched Tyrran last night and Cyber_Cheese and DCLXVI visited him. This suggests that one of Cyber_Cheese and DCLXVI are likely a scum roleblocker/rolecop, or similar. I don´t see any reason for scum to visit the same person twice. For what it´s worth, they are most likely not both scum. prplhz, didn´t it take a nightaction to get Kenpachi´s powers, or can you both steal powers and use them during the same night? | ||
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On November 22 2011 07:59 prplhz wrote: If anything is unclear, I suggest you PM Zona yourself. I´m not a medic, so I don´t know how they work in this game. Since you were one, briefly, and this information would likely be included in your role-PM from Kenpachi, I thought I´d ask you directly. | ||
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On November 22 2011 08:17 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Explain the bolded section. Why does one of us have to be mafia? Not only that, but you were willing to openly accept that information from somebody you believe to be scum, just because he's about to die? ##Vote: Forumite It´s easier to talk to someone if I don´t accuse him of lying all the time. I don´t trust prplhz, but it´s not like accusing him of lying will give more information than the flip will, right? Anyway the wording came out wrong. If what prplhz says is true, then one of you COULD be scum, but it´s very unlikely that both of you are. | ||
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On November 22 2011 08:48 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Agreed. Even as confirmed Townies, I don´t have high hopes that the Masons can lead us to victory. Confirmed town doesn't mean correct opinion. Yes you know the confirmed townies are town, but don't fall to the temptation to start playing a game of follow the blues. Confirmed townies don't always get it right, especially if people kick their action down a notch. On November 22 2011 08:48 GreYMisT wrote: MrZentor, Coagulation and DCLXVI are good candidates for a lynch, but I wouldn´t mind stopping here, and see how prplhz flips. I don´t have high hopes that we can get a good case AND 7 votes in time, so probably best to stop here. Guys we are running out of time to make intelligent decisions. what are everyone's thoughts, disregarding prplhz (too much WIFOM potential) | ||
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On November 22 2011 09:00 DCLXVI wrote: I can confirm that I did visit tyrran last night, I wish you had roleclaimed that earlier prplhz. For what its worth I did not protect Palmar last night, leading me to doubt his claim @harbringer lots of things change when people flip, and i've been sick the past few days, so I have not put nearly as much effort in this game-day. We know you couldn´t have protected Palmar if you visited Tyrran. The fact that you confirm that you visited Tyrran suggest that prplhz is either a Scum watcher, or is telling the truth. Fuck. | ||
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On November 22 2011 09:37 Lanaia wrote: How much time do we have left? 1 hour, 17 minutes. | ||
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On November 22 2011 09:43 Lanaia wrote: Okay, so I can't actually save him. Well, do we want to lynch someone else? As Cyber_Cheese pointed out, prplhz is more or less confirmed as a Blue ahead of time, leaving us with another day of only dead Townies. We need a scumlynch so we should probably lynch someone else, if we dare, because scum are probably out in force right now. I don´t like Nisani for the lynch though, he´s been more or less set on Palmar, WBG and Cyber, that feels like a tunneling Town rather a Scum set on disrupting the game. | ||
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On November 22 2011 09:54 MrZentor wrote: HAHA! YOU FUNNY MAN! Really? Because I thought I made a terrible first impression. FUNNY MAN DIE LAST! + Show Spoiler + aaaand; Vote Me! | ||
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On November 22 2011 10:01 Nisani201 wrote: Why are you trusting a case made by obvious scum? Palmar is the enemy here. All of you should be lynching him. If you don't think he's scummy, read my analysis again. Tough call. Sure Palmar does a few odd things, and he´s under constant scrutiny, but he´s very active and a Town leader. Wouldn´t it be better to check him instead of lynching him? I don´t feel like lynching one of the most active players without a solid case, especially not when I´m waiting for information with the prplhz flip. | ||
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On November 22 2011 10:32 bumatlarge wrote: The second he stopped posting like sinani I thought he was town. I'll give a verdict before the votes are done. He needs 5 more? No, give your verdict now, not 2 minutes before the lynch. I don´t want a repeat of the prplhz situation yesterday. | ||
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On November 22 2011 10:43 bumatlarge wrote: You put your vote on DCL or Palmar, and I'll put my vote on nisani, because I'm sure his alignment could help, but as of right now he's one of the few people in the thread who realizes the important vote is DCL vs palmar. Given that choice, and with prplhz most likely flipping blue, I think DCL is the one more likely scum. ##Vote: DCLXVI | ||
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On November 22 2011 11:00 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Can someone explain why the hell we have two medic claims? Medic is the new Blue! DCL softclaimed Medic, Kenpachi flipped Medic, and Palmar claimed he was protected, so besides DCL and Kenpachi there must be a third Medic, for a total of 2 alive, or Palmar is lying. | ||
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On November 22 2011 11:10 wherebugsgo wrote: What does Forumite voting DCL/Palmar have to do with you voting nisani? If Forumite voted Palmar would you still have voted Nisani? What's with the conditional voting? I think that was the deal, I vote whichever, he votes Nisani. Dunno why, I think he was making some kind of point. | ||
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On November 22 2011 11:12 DCLXVI wrote: then you should know that I did not protect Palmar last night Okay, you are hinting all the time that you are a medic. Scum have noticed by now, so why won´t you claim? Are you a medic or not? It matters a lot to if we trust Palmar claiming he was hit during N1. | ||
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On November 22 2011 11:16 Forumite wrote: Okay, you are hinting all the time that you are a medic. Scum have noticed by now, so why won´t you claim? Are you a medic or not? It matters a lot to if we trust Palmar claiming he was hit during N1. EBWOP: Don´t claim now, do it tomorrow. | ||
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On November 22 2011 20:01 Palmar wrote: Also, re-reading the last few pages I see some people wondering about whether a medic or his protectee get told if there is a hit, this is from the OP: I see no indication that the doctor gets told that he successfully protects someone, however, the doctor should be able to deduce that he did seeing as I claimed the hit. That´s actually not what were wondering. The odd thing is that you were told when you were shot and saved. Some games the target is told if saved, sometimes they are not, but we don´t know how it works in this one. | ||
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On November 22 2011 20:30 Zephirdd wrote: The target is told that he was hit and saved, that's exactly what Palmar said. Also, I'll keep your advice in mind Palmar. It was in the OP... | ||
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On November 22 2011 20:38 Zephirdd wrote: The target is told that he was hit and saved, that's exaclty what Palmar Yeah, I noticed, that´s why I said it was in the OP. Zephirdd, are you going to be more active now, or go back to 10 hours between posts? | ||
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On November 22 2011 07:19 Tyrran wrote: I agree with Tyrran here, these three were on the mislynch, but their stance look more suspicious than most. Also, while I'm at it : ##Vote: Coagulation ##Vote: Sabin010 ##Vote: xsksc You lurkers unburrow just to lynch an innocent WITHOUT any justification at all, and completely disregarding the post where I understand that prp is a potential blue ( yes i called him vigi which he denied but still) and Palmar huge post in his defence. You are either scum or really crappy town, i dont want you in the game either way. On November 21 2011 16:36 xsksc wrote: You didn´t post explanation later, you came back to fix the vote that didn´t stick though. Just woke up and skimmed the thread, got to run for work now. Just realised I hadn't voted yet, I'll post explanations for these later, hopefully during lunch. ##Vote: Prphlz ##Vote: Nisani201 On November 22 2011 04:22 Coagulation wrote: Why did you vote prplhz? Any special reason? ##vote: prplhz I wouldnt mind lynching ROL either after his "LOL LETS LYNCH KENPACHI" a real credit to town. On November 22 2011 02:28 Sabin010 wrote: And what part of the thread made you consider prplhz for the lynch? Ok i've read through the thread and this is what I have. ##Vote: prplhz Risk.Nuke is completely pro-town and I'm keeping this vote on you until you've removed your vote. If there are scum on the prplhz lynch, then they are either hiding among the three below, or the least the lurkers are playing in a way that is making it that much easier for scum to bandwagon. Off course you can be on a mislynch, but when you vote you take a stand, don´t sneak in another vote, hammering without getting much attention for it. ##Vote: Coagulation ##Vote: Sabin010 ##Vote: xsksc | ||
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On November 23 2011 17:31 Tyrran wrote: Guys stop voting for now. Blue role analysis incoming. DCLXVI is likely blue. Dont lynch him I´ll listen. | ||
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On November 23 2011 18:37 Tyrran wrote: @Palmar Now that 2 medics have been revealed, and none protected you, your hit claim looks more scummy. Mafia is confirmed to have 2KP ( as i dont think any vigilante would have been stupid enough to shoot drazerk/risk.nuke), but it would be rather easy for mafia to only use one, and for you to claim hit. A third medic is rather unlikely dont you think ? Palmar could also be a one-shot veteran, which means he was still shot, but survived despite there not being any medics involved. | ||
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On November 23 2011 18:47 Palmar wrote: Okay, then either DCL is not a medic, we have a third medic, or you are lying. I have already explained that there is no mechanic in my role that allows me to survive night hits. I have a theory on the 3 deaths. The mechanic that is there to prevent people from claiming could have something to do with it, either claiming gives scum more nightkills, or they have a role that can target a player, and kills them if they have a role, but has no effect on vanilla townies. | ||
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On November 23 2011 19:47 wherebugsgo wrote: also ##vote Forumite for being repeatedly thick/repeatedly pushing stupid lynches. Stop it. Really. It's starting to get annoying. If you're actually town, take your head out of your ass and look at what you're doing. I can´t argue with this, I know I´m playing very bad now but I´m having a hard time figuring things out. I´ve seen so many connections and bad plays, putting my scumreads at 6+. Even if I feel more sure that the Palmar+WBG+Cyber trio is town now than while I was pushing prplhz, I´m still left with a lot of players I can´t decide on, like about 9, and I can´t work with that high a number. I´ll try to reread the thread, see if something comes up. | ||
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sinani206 (14): chaoser, GreYMisT, Lanaia, DCLXVI, Drazerk, Cyber_Cheese, risk.nuke, LSB, Tyrran, Forumite, Lemonwalrus, Zephirdd, HarbingerOfDoom, hyshes prplhz (12): Forumite, Drazerk, GreYMisT, Nisani201, hyshes, bumatlarge, risk.nuke, Kibibit, I thought that if I posted this, then perhaps it would make more sense... Anyway rereading the thread puts Zephirdd at the top of my scumlist. He looks odd because the first 4 posts after game start, 3 if not counting the one before he had checked his PM, look very nervous, he doesn´t say anything except random FoS without basis, then disappear for 12 hours and is suddenly much more organized, probably after talking to his scumbuddies. He´s the earliest non-Confirmed Townie on Kenpachi, before the first 2 votes make it a valid wagon, and the last non-Confirmed Townie on sinani206. His reasoning for the vote was weak, and he disappeared immediately afterwards. Yes, he went to MLG and Town can do that too, but the fact remains that his last post was jumping on the end of a bandwagon without providing much reasoning. Of all my scumreads, he´s one I´ve had a long time and quite consistently, it´s been weak, but I can´t remember ever seeing one of his posts and getting a strong Townread, even for that one post. ##Vote: Zephirdd | ||
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On November 23 2011 22:56 Palmar wrote: I reread the first day, that was enough for now. you're lying, you didn't re-read the thread. What do you think about Zeph? | ||
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On November 24 2011 01:22 hyshes wrote: @wbg: explain this. + Show Spoiler + On November 23 2011 19:05 wherebugsgo wrote: I would believe those are all townies. + Show Spoiler + On November 23 2011 19:47 wherebugsgo wrote: also ##vote Forumite for being repeatedly thick/repeatedly pushing stupid lynches. Stop it. Really. It's starting to get annoying. If you're actually town, take your head out of your ass and look at what you're doing. Whitin 1 post you change your thought on forumite? Without a post inbetween from forumite? Or any post concerning the matter? Everybody knows you don't post without reading the thread, so this makes no sence. He posted his thread before reading my post where I voted 3 of the lurkers who voted prplhz yesterday. It´s allready been answered earlier, you probably missed the post. | ||
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On November 24 2011 06:34 Nisani201 wrote: I would not recommend voting Coagulation. I am almost certain he is trying to draw votes to himself for whatever reason. I agree, although I have no idea why he would do that. It could be because of a role, because he thinks this will give him a lead while scumhunting, or because he wants to disrupt the game. I´m not sure if it needs to be disrupted though, it´s chaotic enough as it is. WBG, Nisani brought up a metagame reason to lynch RoL. What do you say? Has RoL's play been up to his standards? | ||
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On November 24 2011 07:11 wherebugsgo wrote: I disagree 100% with everything Nisani has said this game, what do you say about that? RoL is not scum. Try coming up with your own ideas for once. The fact that you're actually entertaining Nisani's ideas, of all people, is honestly blowing my mind right now. What I don´t understand is why you are 100% sure that he´s scum. Unless you have proof, there should be at least the possibility that he´s Town, and that some of his opinions should be considered before being discarded. | ||
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hyshes, just put him down as 100% Town, no need to explain. The only way he isn´t is if Drazerk lied about them being masonbuddies, but it´s so unlikely that there is no point in discussing it. Right now I think a lot of scum hide among the players below. They are chosen arbitrarily, by me. These are players who either lurk or subtly disrupt the game. Many of them have been reluctant about the main bandwagons. The big problem with this theory is that most of them are new players, and it´s normal for new players to have a problem with activity levels, then again it´s not hard to fake being a new player with . Probablility also suggests that scum are split between new and old players, but perhaps the new scum lurk and the old scum are active without giving themselves away. I´m expecting to find 3 scum among them, but I´m probably optimistic. Coagulation bumatlarge MrZentor Kibibit Sabin010 Zephirdd xsksc Thoughts on this? Feel like removing any of them from the list? | ||
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On November 24 2011 10:39 bumatlarge wrote: If you are town and do not vote DCL or palmar, you are bad at mafia. End of story. Still contributing, I see. DCL? I can understand hating on Palmar, but I´m not following DCL. Most have him written down as a Blue. | ||
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On November 24 2011 11:03 bumatlarge wrote: If he's blue palmar is scum. If you think palmar is town and really was shot, DCL is scum. I've gone over this. This is a blue-heavy game, with scum potentially having 3 nightkills, why can´t there be 3 medics? | ||
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On November 24 2011 13:02 bumatlarge wrote: Lynching townies is not bad if it in no way inhibits us from winnign the game. The only reason lynching townies is bad is in normal formats, that is one less town KP being used on scum. The only thing that could really hurt us lynching those players is if we are dead wrong and only 0-1 of them are scum, or Zona's warning kills townies, which I think it does not. I think it does not. I initially thought to myself that perhaps the amount of people we lynch gives mafia that much KP, but three people died yesterday, and unless it's cumulative (which I don't see how that could be fair, unless we actually had about 5 doctors,) so I've ruled it out. I believe it could do anything short of actually killing people. I don´t like what you are saying, bum. We really can´t mess up another day, because we need Townies around to win. A few more dead isn´t just less time until Scum win, it also makes it that much harder to lynch more Scum, because as their fraction of the total votes grow, they will have a much easier time controlling the lynch. And with your proposed lynches Scum WILL grow stronger. Of your proposed 7 lynches, I see one Town, 4 who are most likely Town, and 2 who are moderately scummy. Even if you do convince Town to lynch all 7, and nail as much as 2 scum with those votes, which is unlikely, 3 nightkills later we are at 6 Town and 3 Scum, and I don´t see us winning that situation. It might even be over immediately, if lynching 7 people somehow give Scum some more KP. With all this, you are still saying DCL or Palmar is lying, while we in fact don´t know anything about the setup, it´s all speculation. Mafia KP could be dependant on total votes rather than people lynched, it could be changing over time, some game have it set by surviving scum, but it could just as well be set by some other factor, perhaps following a schedule of KP for each day, or Scum KP is 2 but gets an extra KP for each 3 lynches that are performed. Even the Medics could work in strange ways, perhaps they can´t protect anyone voting for them, or they have limited protects, or only protect every other night. You don´t consider that 3 full doctors could work in a scenario with 2 KP, because it can still be beaten by scum if they double up the kills, the doctors are probably spreading the protects, and they can´t know who scum are targeting. If a scenario with 3 doctors could be balanced, if there can be hidden mechanics with mafia KP, and even Medic protects, and you have no idea HOW it all works, how can you say for sure that either DCL or Palmar must lie? They could just as well both be telling the truth, we really don´t know, and speculation doesn´t get us very far in this case. I don´t like how you are reasoning and what you are proposing. I would consider if your tactic weren´t so likely to give the game to Scum right now, but that´s what I think would happen. Today we need to kill a few, and we need to hit at least one Scum, that´s how we win. We don´t hit many in order to kill a few Scum, because then we won´t survive tomorrow even if we do find one of them. | ||
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I think Nisani201 is Town. Day 1: Nisani201 (6): bumatlarge, wherebugsgo, Palmar, Drazerk, GreYMisT, sinani206 Day 2: Nisani201 (9): Drazerk, wherebugsgo, Day 3: (current votes) Nisani201 (8): wherebugsgo, RebirthOfLeGenD, Number of times a player has voted on Nisani201 bumatlarge (3) wherebugsgo (3) Palmar (2) Drazerk (2) GreYMisT (2) DCLXVI (2) Lemonwalrus (1) xsksc (1) RebirthOfLeGenD (1) MrZentor (1) Tyrran (1) Coagulation (1) sinani206 (1) Cyber_Cheese (2-1=1) Lanaia (1-0=1) | ||
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Including D3 votes when considering N2 kills might not make much sense, so below is the list for only D1 and D2. Day 1: Nisani201 (6): bumatlarge, wherebugsgo, Palmar, Drazerk, GreYMisT, sinani206 Day 2: Nisani201 (9): Drazerk, wherebugsgo, Number of times a player has voted on Nisani201 bumatlarge (2) wherebugsgo (2) Palmar (1) Drazerk (2) GreYMisT (2) DCLXVI (1) Lemonwalrus (1) xsksc (1) sinani206 (1) Cyber_Cheese (2-1=1) Lanaia (2-1=1) | ||
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On November 25 2011 01:20 xsksc wrote: Doesn't nisani have 10 votes now forumite? You are right, I appear to have done a prplhz. I saw the votes in the thread, but forgot to update the zbot summary, and so didn´t know he had allready been lynched. | ||
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Lanaia, does your role do anything else except give you the option to negate another players vote on a target? Do you have any other powers? | ||
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On November 25 2011 01:51 hyshes wrote: @forumite: care to explain your reasoning behind your statement about the votes on nisani? I can't really follow your logic in that. Which part of it? @Tyrran The point of listing only confirmed Town is because it hasn´t got to do with Scum voting Nisani, it has to do with Scum leaving alive those Townies who want to vote Nisani. I don´t throw suspicion on the players voting Nisani, but I think they survived the night because Scum would rather kill people like risk and Harbringer who couldn´t care either way about Nisani. It´s like the opposite of when Scum kill those suspecting them, now they killed those not caring about Nisani, thereby making it more likely that Nisani was lynched. I agree with those saying that we should lynch another player. My suggestion would be Zephirdd. | ||
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On November 25 2011 02:03 GreYMisT wrote: Unfortunatly this for me as well. Some breif thoughts about the game state as it curently is though. I think our main focus for the rest of the day needs to be on if we want mr zentor dead or not. ever since he took over for chaoser I know I have been having a hard time deciding where to go. But recently I have noticed that a number of questions have been asked of him (chaoser's town claim, his thoughts) And he has either ignored them, or givin very vauge answers. His votes have also been very brief, and have the air of someone that wants to lay low. In addition to the case on chaoser, this is enough for me to vote for him ##Vote: MrZentor again, ill try to keep up with the thread the best that i can today. I don´t like this, but only because MrZentor just went away, and will probably not be able to reply during the next 8 hours. | ||
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On November 25 2011 03:24 hyshes wrote: just the whole thing. What are you stating actually? Scum wanted today to be spent lynching Nisani, so they killed a few players who didn´t care about lynching Nisani. After 2 failed attempts to kill Nisani to frustrate Town, and now with less people who think he is town/don´t care either way, the Nisani lynch was made much easier. Scum are manipulating the lynches, that shouldn´t be a surprise. When looking at it like that, it´s possible that Drazerk was killed by a Vigilante, in order to confirm hyshes. | ||
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On November 25 2011 03:44 Tyrran wrote: You need to stop ignoring the fact that scum have targeted people voting for Nisani BOTH NIGTH ( Palmar N1, and Drazerk N2) Your logic doesnt make sense to me. N1 nightactions doesn´t matter, they probably didn´t set this up two days in advance, it was probably decided the same night when Nisani was still alive and still getting votes. Drazerk is odd, but it IS possible that a Town vigi killed him to confirm hyshes. | ||
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##Vote: PaImar What do we do now? Coag, MrZentor and Zephirrd are popular lynch targets. I can´t belive all of them are scum, and we´ve lynched too many times for mistakes and behavior. What do we do? We desperately need a scumflip in order to find the other scum. | ||
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On November 25 2011 07:51 Cyber_Cheese wrote: I second that notion, although I don't think it's a valid reason to vote, especially since Nisani might flip scum yet. I still think MrZentor is the best lynch. Chaoser looked scummy, and instead of alleviating that, MrZentor chooses to lurk and talk more about his own role than the other players. I´m making a point, not pushing Palmar´s lynch. It should get his attention at least. MrZentor I agree about, especially after his recent post. He´s away but it´s a very convenient time to leave, but why he would return to post nothing baffles me, if he doesn´t have time to contribute, why post at all? What do you think about the others? Zeph is mostly general suspicion, but I don´t have much more than that. Coag is more likely, he behaves as if he´s given up on the game. If so, then no matter his alignment he won´t be any good to Town, he won´t even draw a nightkill. | ||
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On November 25 2011 08:00 Tyrran wrote: ##Vote: Cyber_cheeze ##Vote: Forumite Cyber_cheeze: You visiting me still makes more sense as scum than as blue. Forumite : Your reasoning for saving Nisani makes no sense. I feel like you're a scum trying to look good. Also, see WBG post Plus you both voted for palmar who is clearly the best town around here. How more scummy can you be ? Why doesn´t it make sense? If Nisani was Scum, wouldn´t Scum have killed Palmar or WBG, or someone else actually out to lynch palmar, in order to get some pressure off of him? Shooting those NOT pushing Nisani means that Nisani dies, it´s simple and direct, and if Nisani is Town then it´s also Pro-Scum to do this, because 5/6 of the day was spent dealing with Nisani. We always lynch our first 12 hours before deadline, then rush secondary lynches, so one obvious target for the day means Town basically waste the day. Why vote now, and not a few hours ago when I posted the analysis? | ||
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On November 25 2011 08:17 wherebugsgo wrote: scum never kill me cause people always suspect me regardless of alignment lol. I was actually surprised I got shot n1 in LoTR, and in SMG when I had a correct scumread it was the serial killer who shot me and not scum. You can't WIFOM yourself into trying to figure out scum reads, only scum know what scum want. So, the fact that you're trying to reason this out based on what scum to do is very suspicious. I´m always wary of WIFOM, but I think this is one of the few times where the situation was simple enough to read. We´ll know about Nisani in a few hours, but if Nisani is scum, then scum don´t mind him dying. | ||
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On November 25 2011 08:22 Tyrran wrote: Because you just voted for palmar. And as i said before, Scum DID SHOOT FOR THOSE pushing Nisani. EVERY NIGTH some one voting for Nisani got hit. How can you say they did not target those pushing for him. Shooting palmar N2 would be bad as he was obv going to be protected again, so they went for drazerk who voted twice for him. Yeah, I figured it was me voting for Palmar that triggered it. You really don´t like anyone doubting him. I´m leaning towards Drazerk being a vigihit, that would make sense with 3 nightkills rather than the 2 of N1. Even if Drazerk was a mafia hit, killing risk and Harbringer did nothing at all for Nisani, none of them voted, cared or even mentioned Nisani. There must have been better targets, targets that were on Nisani without being likely medic protects. | ||
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On November 25 2011 08:28 xsksc wrote: In a few hours? Isn't there another day and a half until the deadline? Really? Do we have another day? | ||
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On November 25 2011 08:32 wherebugsgo wrote: dude, where are you pulling this shit from? How can you assume Drazerk was a vig hit? Why are you making unnecessary assumptions about the game and trying to use inconclusive evidence to conclude things that are very far from being concrete? You're being incredibly dumb if you're a townie and you're shedding plenty of doubt if you're scum. People bring up what I said about Nisani, just explaining how I thought. | ||
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On November 25 2011 08:37 Tyrran wrote: Why would any vigi hit Drazerk when after he claimed Mason. That doesnt remotely makes sense. Mafia killing two almost confirmed town ( drazerk and risk.nuke) makes a lot of sense on the other hand. Why assume the opposite ? From Towns perspective, neither was confirmed, but once drazerk died hyshes was confirmed. risk was generally considered Town, but that doesn´t make him confirmed. The thing that is odd is why scum didn´t shoot both masons if they were going for one, killing one mason confirms the other, but killing both makes sure there are no confirmed Townies. Scum hate confirmed Townies. | ||
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On November 25 2011 08:56 hyshes wrote: Expecting scum making the obvious kills is retarded. Maybe scum wants us to have this discussion to distract us from more scumhunting. You might be scum who wants to have this stupid discussion? No, it´s not retarded to discuss nightkills. Scum look at the game and decide who to kill depending on how their death change Town, and the likelyhood that the kill will go through. Scum don´t use esoteric techniques and secrets to decide on their kills, they decide based on who they want dead, whose death will make it hard for Town to work, and whose death will confuse Town. Just because we don´t know the exact reasoning doesn´t mean we shouldn´t discuss it at all. | ||
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On November 25 2011 09:16 xsksc wrote: BUT WHAT IF THEY KNOW THAT WE KNOW THAT THEY KNOW THAT WE KNOW?! ....You know? I don´t know Okay, I guess we´re fed up about WIFOM. What do we do now? | ||
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On November 25 2011 09:29 Nisani201 wrote: Can we speed up the nightpost if we get a unanimous agreement to do so? You are not getting an unanimous agreement, because I´m against it. We have another day to discuss, we shouldn´t throw that away. There´s time until you are finally lynched, why don´t you help us during the remaining time? MrZentor's tricky. If it was Chaoser, I would give him the benefit of the doubt, that he would mess around a while but soon pick up his game and do something amazing a few days in. With MrZentor we instead got more of the same. Does this make him a scum who lurk to avoid attention, or a new Townie who is unsure about what to do? He´s still only has a single page in his filter, so little to go on. | ||
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On November 25 2011 09:54 Nisani201 wrote: OK I'M SORRY! It just didn't seem like we were talking about much. If you guys want to talk about stuff, go ahead. I´m tired now, I´ll talk tomorrow. @WBG Yeah, I don´t trust my scumsenses right now. I saw yours and Tyrrans reaction to my fakevote on Palmar and immediately thought chainsaw defence. That´s should tell you a bit about how confident I am of finding scum right now. | ||
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On November 25 2011 18:19 Palmar wrote: Lynch me please ##Vote Palmar I have no interest in playing with people who don't want to try. I am sorry for signing up for this game. Fine. If you want to do a weird stunt then I´ll oblige. If Palmar is calling people bad for doubting him, and now wants to fake giving up, then I´ll help, because acting like that warrants a lynch. ##Vote: Palmar | ||
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On November 25 2011 19:04 Tyrran wrote: You already voted for him. Dont try to start a BandWagon. It was a fake vote earlier to make Palmar shape up, this time it´s for real. Don´t lie, I´m not starting a bandwagon, Palmar does it himself by apparently giving up. Either he is really giving up, in which case there´s no reason to keep him around, or it´s a weird stunt. If you can come up with a Town-motivated reason to give up then tell me, but otherwise this is probably a scum-motivated attempt to disrupt us now that more people have started doubting Palmar. | ||
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On November 25 2011 19:37 wherebugsgo wrote: Forumite do you even know what a chainsaw defense is? He´s attacking those voting him, so close enough. The chainsaw defence is you and Tyrran going to Palmars defence whenever anyone doubts him. Look back to my fakevote, minutes after both of you jumped forward and questioned my alignment. Anyway this is not about what you and Tyrran did, I´m voting Palmar because he´s attacking anyone doubting him and threatening to give up if we don´t follow his lead. It´s an underhanded tactic, and I don´t like it. It definetly doesn´t help Town right now. | ||
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This makes 9 votes from Palmar, including Nisani. | ||
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On November 25 2011 19:48 Palmar wrote: Forumite, I've proven beyond reasonable doubt that you're bad or scum. You should probably stop talking now. Town is loosing, so we´re all playing bad. This whole thing you do now is either a scumstunt to get people off your back, or you are really giving up. Which doesn´t really matter, I don´t want you alive if you do things like that. | ||
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On November 25 2011 20:01 wherebugsgo wrote: Tyrran and I are only chainsaw defending Palmar if the following are true: 1. All 3 of us are scum 2. We defend Palmar not by actually defending him but ignoring him and attacking you instead Neither of those things are true, I know that for a fact. Please stop spouting garbage. I can´t know if 1 is true, and 2 isn´t required, it´s just a general sense of the defence. You can´t honestly say that the last turn, Palmar calling everyone bad, isn´t more focused on the voter rather than defending Palmar. This isn´t an exact science, scum know what Chainsaw Defence is and will try to avoid it, but this affair with Palmar giving up, and you and Tyrran defending him unquestioningly, reminds me of a Scum Chainsaw Defence, because of the coordination and focus on throwing doubt on the attacker. | ||
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On November 25 2011 20:04 xsksc wrote: We're not lynching Palmar if we want to win. ##Vote: Forumite Have you read the thread? Palmar has given up, he wants us to lynch him if we don´t follow him blindly. Is that what you want to do? Are you so sure that Palmar has got this game that you would follow him even if he wants to give up the game, because it certainly looks that way. Anyway if you are voting me, at least explain your stance better. I hate one-liners followed by a vote. | ||
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On November 25 2011 20:12 Tyrran wrote: Actually, its closer to a Town Chainsaw defense. Palmar is hugely likely to be town ( if you are not convinced, please carefully read his filter until you are), and is by far the best town player. Anyone trying to lynch him or start a bandwagon against him is either scum or really bad, and thus is a good candidate for lynching. Read his filter until I´m convinced? Really? Is "Palmar is Town" a big truth that can not be contradicted? You know he´s been doing a few weird things in the thread, this latest with giving up obviously the biggest one, and I´m not comfortable with letting it go. Palmar has acted Town, but he´s also been leading Town to absolutely nothing, we´re still no closer to finding Scum. I want to make sure that Palmar isn´t deceiving us, instead of just hope for the best and follow him blindly. | ||
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On November 25 2011 20:14 xsksc wrote: I have a 100% sure reason to believe Palmar is town, it's not just a guess. Could you elaborate? You´ve basically softclaimed detective, so you might as well hardclaim too. | ||
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On November 25 2011 20:22 Palmar wrote: Maybe the reason we're not closer to finding scum is people listening to you instead of me? You don´t have much hope of Nisani flipping Scum, do you? | ||
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On November 25 2011 20:26 xsksc wrote: It's to do with my role. I don't want to claim yet unless I have to. What's so funny about that? Palmar thinks it´s funny that a blue claimed to save him. I don´t trust a claim until it´s a real claim. I don´t care about your role and full powers, but I want to know what night action make you 100% sure that Palmar is Town? | ||
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On November 25 2011 20:25 Palmar wrote: Depends how you define scum. If we use the definition "A player who increases the mafia's chance of winning" then, he's 100% scum. Fair enough, I can´t really argue with that, even though I doubt he´s flipping as the mafia variant. | ||
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On November 25 2011 20:29 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Short of knowing the scum teams powers, I don't think that's possible... I don´t think it´s possible to know 100% either, but xsksc says he´s 100% sure. | ||
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##Unvote: Palmar Of WBGs suggestions, I will agree to lynch those that are not me. I´ve allready voted Zeph, and MrZentor is still an indecisive lurker that we don´t have any way of reading. The scumminess is not accompanied with Chaosers skill either, which was the reason I didn´t feel like lynching Chaoser Day 1. I thought Chaoser was just fooling around, until he was ready to reveal his reads, that isn´t likely to happen with MrZentor. ##Vote: MrZentor | ||
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On November 25 2011 21:11 Palmar wrote: I'm claiming right after xsksc, that should get the ball rolling. Sounds good. We´re just waiting for xsksc to get back then. | ||
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More claims, we´re not nearly there yet. | ||
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On November 26 2011 00:26 hyshes wrote: So everyone is blue? Anyway, none of you is confirmed and some of you are smart enough to setup things. But as the only confirmed townie i'm going to vote forumite. I've no hidden agenda whatsoever. ##Vote: Forumite Confirmed Townie or not, I´d still appreciate if you provide your reasoning. | ||
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On November 26 2011 00:48 hyshes wrote: I just read the thread. I've looked at your filter and voting paterns. Can't exactly say "its this post..." or "it that vote...", Its just a conclusion after putting all the information on a line. Right. I still think my one mistake was missing the breadcrumbs. What finally changed my mind was xsksc's claim, after he said he was 100% sure, which couldn´t have made him cop but would work with doctor. | ||
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On November 26 2011 01:10 xsksc wrote: Sorry I'm missing something here, what did that change your mind about? I understood that the only way you could have been 100% sure is if you were the Medic that protected Palmar day 1 (or both of you are scum but I´m not going there). That claim of having been shot at was doubted by many, but now there is actually a Doctor that claims he was the one protecting, giving strength to the claim, and putting Palmar in a better light. Furthermore WBG and Tyrran found the breadcrumbs, which explains their somewhat odd behavior. | ||
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On November 26 2011 09:56 wherebugsgo wrote: yo RoL let's wait till the flip. What do you think of Zephirdd? I don´t know about Zeph. I´ve gotten a scumread on him, and his power is the perfect disguise for a Scum Roleblocker. He says he´s protecting someone, they don´t get killed because scum don´t shoot them, but they get roleblocked, just as expected. Just a thought, it doesn´t make him scum, but if he was then his role is a good excuse. Either way it´s probably a bad idea to lynch a 4th target before Nisani and MrZentor flip. With Palmars breadcrumbs I expect at least Nisani to flip Scum, he found the breadcrumbs, which is why he´s pushing Palmar. | ||
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##Unvote: Sabin010 ##Unvote: Coagulation | ||
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They had 8 after RoL, the Bum voted them both up to 9, then I unvoted them down to 8 again. | ||
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On November 26 2011 10:49 GreYMisT wrote: oh wow thats even closer than i expected. What about you forumite, do you want to lynch them both tonight? I´m gone after this, so I don´t want to make the decision for others | ||
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On November 26 2011 10:54 xsksc wrote: I've got a bad feeling about you right now forumite, we're not lynching anyway else now. Let's wait and see the flips. You don´t have to wonder very long. Good luck guys. Go Town! | ||
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Scum, what was the reason you did the nightkills that you did? Why kill X and not Y? Were I anywhere near on the night 2 kills, that you wanted Nisani to die day 3 and avoided killing those against the lynch? | ||
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On December 01 2011 00:18 GreYMisT wrote: I can comment more but im about to go to class. I think i wanted to kill you the night we killed bugs, but we decided on him instead. Who protected lanaia night 1, haha. Damn, I got lynched right before that night. At least I´m making progress. I looked Town the first few days, until I got super paranoid from lack of dead scum and pressured Palmar. | ||
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