Steamship Liquidia (TL Mafia 46)

On November 08 2011 04:21 xsksc wrote:


I mean I'm currently in a game, but by the time this starts its likely to be over. I meant is it actually against the rules to sign up for one when your current game is still in progress.

On November 08 2011 07:06 redFF wrote:

why not!

On November 09 2011 03:19 risk.nuke wrote:
I am third party "God". I can edit other peoples role in game. All three of you are now adorable kittens.

On November 09 2011 11:09 redFF wrote:
/out

On November 11 2011 07:46 jaybrundage wrote:
Hm i was hoping we would start today. Im really looking foward to my first game :D

On November 11 2011 07:59 wherebugsgo wrote:
Just as a heads up for everyone in the thread, I'm going to be pushing for redFF's lynch regardless of my alignment.

Aww yeah.

On November 11 2011 08:27 Kurumi wrote:
Well, this looks like a really formal game and I am in mood to troll.
Because metashit.

On November 11 2011 11:25 GMarshal wrote:

People say a lot of things in the heat of the moment, but then we never really carry grudges ^_^

On November 11 2011 19:28 Palmar wrote:


I have a personal vendetta against townies who get themselves lynched day 1.

On November 12 2011 14:50 Erandorr wrote:
If she comes back and changes the title to "I <3 Ponies so much, especially Fluttershy Mafia" it would explain a lot though ^.^

On November 13 2011 09:16 GreYMisT wrote:


It would be a lot easier if everyone just would agree to not kill me.

On November 13 2011 09:50 GreYMisT wrote:


I shall never forget this slight against my honor.

On November 13 2011 09:59 GreYMisT wrote:


Inconceivable......

On November 14 2011 23:49 Sabin010 wrote:
When do we get our roles?

On November 15 2011 02:13 GMarshal wrote:

I said nothing of the sort!

:-P

On November 15 2011 02:48 GMarshal wrote:

I was joking, I have no power over the game, and yes, host and GM are interchangeable, but every time someone uses GM instead of Host I assume they are talking about me, because people keep abbreviating my name as GM.

^_^

On November 15 2011 04:50 GreYMisT wrote:


Not a day goes by that I Don't wish people really talked like this.

On November 15 2011 04:53 GMarshal wrote:

A rejuvenating coma during which you may or may not have vivid hallucinations akin to reality during several hours, which, after emerging from the coma you may not have any recollection of. Also you may or may not lose control of your body upon the first few seconds of reemerging.

On November 15 2011 16:12 LSB wrote:

Wtf does this mean? Are you saying you are taking Kenpachi seriously?
Stop talking hypotheticals, iirc you've played with Kenpachi before. Even if you have not you can go through his posts and figure out how he plays. In addition you've played before so you know how TL mafia is in the first few hours. I honestly don't see how

On November 16 2011 00:22 Sabin010 wrote:
I think its too early to start random lynching. I'm sure some of the lurkers are blues and have yet to get a chance to even check their role. We could get lucky and kill scum, but I have seen to many games where we lose our cop or doc first day and end up wasting our time as the mob picks us off.

On November 16 2011 01:15 Nisani201 wrote:


Ummm... what?

I'm sure you know this. Kenpachi's townie claim means nothing. It never means anything. He does it every single game. LSB ignoring it does not imply contradiction; it implies common sense. And your FoS on him is incredibly scummy.

FURTHERMORE, claiming town is not pro-scum, because it is in everyone's best interest to appear as a vanilla towie. Townies want to look green because they are green. Blues want to look green so that they are not a Mafia target. And Mafia wants to look green (most of the time) because they don't want to get lynched.

On November 16 2011 00:53 Zephirdd wrote:


> Games where "we" lose our cop or doc first day and end up wasting our time as the mob picks us off.

I assume "the mob" means "the scum", unless I'm terribly wrong at English. which would end up translating to "as the scum picks us(the town) off".

Nothing wrong here imo.

On November 16 2011 12:04 LSB wrote:
Bandwagoning much?
I have no idea what you're trying to pretend I'm saying but from what it looks like, you didn't read my post and you are just parroting 666.

On November 16 2011 17:07 prplhz wrote:


If we ignore lurkers day1 then we will have 6-7 posts of theirs by day2 lynch. Then they will not be lurkers anymore and we can start discussing what they have posted. Also, arguing about lynch-all-lurkers defeats the purpose of the policy itself as it will allow people to lurk even harder. But not in this game, because by day2 lynch they will have 6-7 posts anyway. Am I getting through to you at all?

On November 16 2011 17:14 Cyber_Cheese wrote:

Coagulation comes to mind
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=22673

On November 16 2011 18:13 wherebugsgo wrote:
My point is that you can't lynch all lurkers, and it's certainly optimal to lynch some over others.

I agree that history of lurking is no excuse for lurking, but then if we're going to actually lynch a lurker today we need to figure out which one that is.

The other thing I want to stress is that focusing on lurkers is going to distract us from the scum who aren't lurking. Hell, if we are fervent enough about punishing lurkers a lot of them will probably just become active and lose a lot of suspicion.

On November 16 2011 21:29 Palmar wrote:
hey guys, I'm in a good mood today, so here's a great offer to you:

I will write an alignment analysis on the first three players people ask me to do. Each player can only select one person for me to analyse, and I will provide a post for each subject on what I currently think of their alignment.

Go!

On November 15 2011 14:13 xsksc wrote:
This is my first proper mafia game, just finished a newbie mini-game the other day.
GLHF Everyone!:D

On November 16 2011 22:09 xsksc wrote:


Sorry, what? I posted this before the game even got going, I was breaking the ice and being friendly, what is scummy about it? It IS my first real mafia game, I'm excited about it. Several others have said it's their first game too. Can you enlighten me, why do you think it's a newbie scumpost?

On November 16 2011 23:50 xsksc wrote:


That's a pretty silly assumption, my post said nothing of the sort. Why does "This is my first big game" become "I'm trying to help but will probably fail"? What makes you think that because I'm new to this sort of thing, I'm just gonna be a hindrance? Sure, I don't have the same experience as some of the veterans here, but I can still be just as useful.

I'm not using being new as an excuse to "lurk", I've actually posted a decent ammount already.

You really seem to be over-analyzing a simple hello post, I don't know what else to say.

On November 17 2011 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:
##Vote Forumite

I'm not okey with you not responding to a direct vote against you.

On November 17 2011 02:21 risk.nuke wrote:

Neither and both. You're FoSing two people on nothing. And then there is a similar thing on Sabini. Add to that letting the vote on you slip by without a hint of defense from your side. I don't know what you are doing but it is not pro-town play and that is why I vote for you.

On November 17 2011 10:00 Cyber_Cheese wrote:

In a game with mutli-lynch, it's harder to define the boundaries of what is muddying the waters and what is legitimate contribution.
He was voting without reasoning, on people he never mentioned. And we know it was on purpose because he did it twice.

On November 17 2011 19:37 Palmar wrote:


Following that latest post of Bumatlarge's, I'd probably lynch him. Wherebugsgo asked me about Bum earlier, to which I responded him being a null read, but that is such a bad post, I see no motivation for town to post in such a manner.

I do not agree with most of your reads at the moment, but you seem genuine enough in your accusations that I also don't think you need to be looked at specifically at the moment.

On November 17 2011 19:45 Cyber_Cheese wrote:

Prplhz is my second strongest scum read, but he manages to do that every game, so lynching right now would be Sinani.

On November 17 2011 22:13 xsksc wrote:
I was asleep while all that shit went down last night
I can't help it man, when I'm on nothing happens. I posted my analysis a couple of hours ago and not much has happened since then. What are your current reads forumite? Still think think I'm newbie scum based on my hello post? Cause honestly, that was a pretty silly case.

On November 18 2011 04:16 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Well thats enough derping around, refreshing the page and wishing someone would post something. Anyone doing the same, who isn't currently voting on Chaoser, what is your stance on him and why?

Similarly, anyone who's played with Prplhz/Sinani before and isn't voting them, what is your take on their current alignments? They both seem to do the same thing every game, and they are doing it

We have currently killed someone for lurking. Personally I don't want a Sinani lynch to happen right now, but it's better than none. I feel like Chaosers flip will provide us with more information and a much higher chance of hitting scum than Prplhz flipping, based off both reputations and actions so far in game.

Those are the three candidates I'm currently willing to consider, outside of making Drazerk prove his claim. As I've said before, more than three lynches is something I don't want to risk.

On November 18 2011 01:34 hyshes wrote:


Than who would you suggest?

On November 18 2011 07:20 Tyrran wrote:
So within four hours, we must focus on getting another lynch. We already have 2 people a 8 votes, i suggest we focus on them. Both look scummy, both are in my likely scum list, yet Drazerk voted for Sinani206 so its unlikely that both are scum.

On November 17 2011 09:11 Drazerk wrote:


Unlike you I will never be lynched though

On November 17 2011 09:59 sinani206 wrote:


umadbro?

On November 17 2011 20:24 Coagulation wrote:
Who the fuck you calling useless as town?

I fucking snipe godfathers constantly.

On November 18 2011 09:34 risk.nuke wrote:
there is so much last minute action going on.

On November 18 2011 10:08 Kibibit wrote:

I only haven't because I don't have any sort of coherent feelings about him. Not like it matters much, I'm generally confused about day 1 due to the lack of hard evidence besides looking at peoples posts and going "Yep, that's scummy"

On November 18 2011 10:28 sinani206 wrote:
theres no such thing as a counter bandwagon in this game.

On November 18 2011 10:33 sinani206 wrote:


he said he was town why would he lie

On November 18 2011 10:47 bumatlarge wrote:
I'll look into sinani, he seems to post unsurprisingly similar to nisani, but I'm not feeling confident about him either. I don't really feel a need to defend the votes on me, everyone who has has given piss-poor reasons. If we only lynch kenpachi tonight, that would be alright, but I'm still sold on prphlz, and would prefer to get rid of him now. I nearly cut my finger in half so I'd rather keep my posts short, but I will try to post more if thats all people want. As if that is magically going to help town.

On November 18 2011 11:33 prplhz wrote:


hahahaha that lynch was totally your fault l2p you can't expect everybody to think that your lurking oneliner style is the greatest thing ever in mafia

so stop being an asshole about it

On November 18 2011 11:50 prplhz wrote:
lol forumite

On November 18 2011 12:39 wherebugsgo wrote:


This was exactly what I was thinking.

Mostly the singular early and late votes.

One of them is you though lolol

On November 18 2011 17:32 LSB wrote:
Any bets on whether or not I survive the night?

On November 18 2011 16:03 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
I still don't like Drazerk, and he seems dead-set on convincing us he will be useless whether he is town or scum. Not sure how much effort should be spent on him, but I'd like him to end up dead sooner rather than later.
I also don't like the looks of LSB too much, but he is currently exceeding 24 hours without posting, so I don't see the point of pursuing something there unless he comes back before getting mod-killed.

On November 18 2011 22:28 risk.nuke wrote:
Then we have the accusers. I know it's easy when you feel like you have a gut feeling on someone, you want them lynched and suddenly you've just copied something just so you type a reason to vote. Enough of that lazy shit, sit down and really think why you feel like you feel. That way when asked about it later you can answer truthfully. or maybe you realised you don't actually want the person dead after all. The next person who quotes someone and votes I am going to slap. Because if townies are throwing around votes without explaining an acceptable thoughtprocess mafia can do the same and nobody can tell the difference.

In short. Defend yourself by explaining your truthfull thoughtprocess.
Accuse someone by explaining your truthfull thoughtprocess. Now read this out loud 3 times.

On November 19 2011 00:24 Palmar wrote:


well, to be fair, maybe it's just best if vigis hold their shots.

I can relate to your list though I don't agree with all the reads (pending re-reading I'd say harbringer could be scum, and prplhz could be town).

On November 19 2011 00:57 Palmar wrote:


pending re-reading, as I already said.

Notice the list-formatted posts I'm doing, I have a couple of 180's on reads in them, those are the result of me re-reading the thread.

I just had a town gut on him early, remember that he was one of the people I did my initial alignment analysis on.

On November 19 2011 12:31 Coagulation wrote:
Well looks like we lost the one voice of reason in a giant screaming derp fest.

wasnt LSB taking bets that he would be killed night 1?
Should probably go back and see who responded to that and how.

On November 19 2011 22:02 prplhz wrote:




I highlighted the important part in bold and removed part of my post since you were apparently too lazy to read the whole thing in the first place. I thought I made my opinion very accessible but apparently not accessible enough.

This was before he got hammered. Do you really think I stand out as a player who wanted sinani206 dead? Did I not make an attempt to call it off? Do I even have the power to call anything off, and in spite of this, did I not do everything I could to prevent sinani206 from being lynched?

sinani206 ALWAYS sucks, I just thought he sucked considerably less in this game. Yes, I actually thought sinani206 was playing very well ... that is, compared to how he usually plays. We'd already lynched one lurker (I wanted him to perform because I know he's great at mafia, he shot two scum in XLV, and then when I came back you morons had actually lynched him on no ground at all, sucks) and as I'd already stated in the thread, lynching lurkers is something scum likes a lot more than town.

I think this is very weird because I really didn't think you were this dumb.

On November 18 2011 10:58 prplhz wrote:
I don't know if Zona isn't just gonna give a warning first. I don't think I've been here for the last 24 hours either but hopefully I'm not getting modkilled. I mean sometimes you don't have all the time in the world and sometimes you forget how long it's been since last time you posted, it's not like either of us have been lurking all game.

I actually think sinani206 has been surprisingly helpful to town this game compared to some of his other games. So please don't lynch him just because he's a lurker, day1 has already killed off one lurker who was most likely town.

On November 19 2011 23:40 Tyrran wrote:
Also Forumite pushed extremely heavily against Sinani206 during the last minutes of Day 1, despite his only case against him beeing :



But then when prplhz called sinani206 bad for acting like that, he immediatly called him scum :




From my point of view, I'd say Forumite stand against Sinani are more suspicious than prplhz.

On November 20 2011 00:49 Drazerk wrote:


He's basically me this game which isn't good for anyone

On November 20 2011 02:19 Kibibit wrote:
My honest, poorly put together opinion on prplhz is that he has said very little of use in getting much of a positive read. I'm fairly suspicious of him at this point. He's aggressive as hell, and the vast majority of his defenses consist of "I'm not mafia becsude you're all terrible" and his reasoning for goin after other players has been fairly empty at best.


I was hesitant on kenpachi mostly because while he was whiny, nothing he did was particularly scumlike. The read I'm getting on prplhz is noticably less pristine. That said, I'll probaly wait a tick before throwing down the vote. I'm Leaning towards yes on prplhz and chaoser at this point

On November 20 2011 02:31 prplhz wrote:
So ... I wasn't around and when I was around I had to go through 20 pages of chaoser and Palmar and wherebugsgo going at it and then finally when I reached the end of that shitstorm, I arrive at people wanting to lynch another known lurker. I didn't have a decidedly town read on him but I didn't think he was scummy enough at all. Look at his posts, all one liners. I just think they looked like he actually tried to contribute with his single lines compared to other games so I wrote in caps lock DO NOT LYNCH. Why the hell aren't you focusing on the moron who actually went ahead and lynched him instead, I believe it was hyshes but don't hold me up on that.

On November 17 2011 11:18 prplhz wrote:
START VOTING DRAZERK HIRORUBY AND CYBER_CHEESE

STOP VOTING LANAIA AND CHAOSER

On November 18 2011 10:53 prplhz wrote:
MORE PEOPLE ON DRAZERK, HIRORUBY, AND CYBER_CHEESE

LESS PEOPLE ON SINANI206

On November 20 2011 02:57 prplhz wrote:
It was kinda to contrast the "MORE PEOPLE ..." thing. What do I mean by I want less people to vote sinani206 when he's on 13 votes and he needs 14 to die? I don't think I am being very unclear. Also, I meant every single thing I wrote in caps. I didn't have time to write 6 pages of huge posts like certain other players have done this game, I just posted what I wanted to happen and then the rest is really up to you guys. I thought maybe people would feel exhausted by all those huge posts and then they'd see my 10 word statements in caps and feel relieved and then they'd read them. I'm pretty sure everybody read my post.

On November 20 2011 02:59 hyshes wrote:


Do you know what masons are?

On November 20 2011 04:23 prplhz wrote:
This is insanity, I wrote before he was hammered that I wanted less people to vote for him. How is this subtly wanting him dead? I never called for a lynch on sinani206 at all, a lot of people voted him for shitty reasons and you should look at them instead. Look at people who voted him even though they know his meta. Look at hyshes who just ignored everything and played the newbie card voting for a guy in spite of all warnings.

On November 20 2011 04:04 DCLXVI wrote:
also forumite, why did you react so harshly to coag's post? While I agree that he should have done what he asked in the post, it just seems to me you over reacted.

On November 20 2011 14:52 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
@Forumite
Given what the daypost contained, I can't help but ask...why did you want me to post my read on him after the daypost rather than before?

On November 20 2011 14:41 prplhz wrote:
guys I don't think prplhz is scum, here is why...

The case against me today is the following: before sinani206 was lynched I wrote in caps that I thought that people should stop voting for him. Since it was in caps, I clearly did not mean what I was saying. This means that I am scum.

I disagree with this.

On November 20 2011 19:52 wherebugsgo wrote:


This should only be followed if you believe you're safe.

If you think you're a scum target and you might die, you should always publish your reads before the night is over.

On November 20 2011 23:32 Forumite wrote:
Has RoL posted anything yet?

On November 21 2011 02:16 DCLXVI wrote:
I don't want to be modkilled.

On November 21 2011 06:05 Palmar wrote:
I had an initial town read on prplhz, I'm sorry but I don't have time to expand upon that, so I'm just gonna go ahead and not support a lynch on him.

I'm really sorry for my performance today, real life is just taking time away from me.

here are my scumreads:

##Vote: DCLXVI
##Vote: chaoser
##Vote: Lemonwalrus
##Vote: RebirthOfLeGenD

On November 21 2011 08:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

You guys needs to calm down with the mass lynching though, how much time is left int he day cycle?

On November 21 2011 08:41 Palmar wrote:


shut up.

On November 21 2011 08:51 Drazerk wrote:


There is no difference between lynching early or later other than the fact the lynch target has more options to cause havoc after the lynch ( See kenpachi who I thought was lying about his role )

On November 21 2011 08:50 Palmar wrote:


yes, i will do.

Unlike some other people in this game, when I do read up on people, I spend time on it to get it right. looking at the votes it's going to be really important for me to get prplhz right. So I'll do it on my own time.

On November 20 2011 04:04 DCLXVI wrote:
@forumite about prplhz
After reading through his filter I noticed a few things. He starts off cool headed and logical, arguing in a way I appreciate. He spends his time arguing about the LAL and lurkers we got bogged down in the first 36 hours. The interesting bit about that is that he says that he wants to lynch a lurker or two per day to prevent lurkers, but to also not slaughter bored townies too quickly. He then jumps on the Kenpachi bandwagon, apparently that was a good lurker to lynch... He also makes a small case on Hiroruby which was forgotten about as louder players took over the thread. While it was on a mildly telling post or two and imo not enough to lynch on, it should be reconsidered today. While RoL is a different player, we should not forget what Hiroruby said. Unfortunately, prplhz does not reinforce his arguments and so later in the day he instead opts to abandon logic in favor of volume in hopes of being heard over the chaoser/wbg/palmar shouting match. Based on his claims today he did this because he did not have time to make long convincing posts, and was too late to provide a reason to not lynch sinani. That last part is scummy, however the rest of it is not enough to warrant a lynch just yet.
I do not agree with him that votes without a stated reason should be considered thought out, and that caps lock equals a convincing statement, but I suppose we all have different views on how much time should be committed to the game. Either I can believe that he did not have time for long posts or he wanted sinani dead, I have not made up my mind.

On November 21 2011 16:36 xsksc wrote:
Just woke up and skimmed the thread, got to run for work now.
Just realised I hadn't voted yet, I'll post explanations for these later, hopefully during lunch.

##Vote: Prphlz
##Vote: Nisani201

On November 21 2011 18:43 prplhz wrote:


If for or against doesn't matter then it seems like you're trying to lynch me for information. I'd very much prefer if you didn't do that.

On November 21 2011 19:07 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I was on the fence about this one. I still don't feel sure about voting him, and I feel like there are better options for today.
##Unvote: Prplhz

I feel like Nisani is much in the same boat as him, with the difference that Prplhz seems to be able to express some form of transparency for things he does.
Nisani has shown he is capable of making good posts
+ Show Spoiler +
And yet most of his posts are one liners, and votes with minimal explaination, he seems to be deliberately holding information back from the town
##Vote: Nisani

On November 21 2011 19:26 Cyber_Cheese wrote:

He's hard to read, he makes some terrible moves as both town and scum. I want to lynch Nisani or Prplhz today, but not both, and I feel like Nisani is the scummier candidate.

On November 21 2011 19:44 Zephirdd wrote:
Alright, hot topics.

prplhz seems to be the hot topic, however while reading his filter I've been getting mixed feelings from him. His initial posts are terrible, however he provides a good point: "if you need a reason, just ask". I don't think people asked him enough earlier on, and yet they all went over him. People gave shit on him because of a Caps post, but he said it as well: town reads, scum just hunts for whatever thing could be used to create a case against him. Which leads me to ...

Forumite, the first to vote on prplhz this day. During day 1, he did not vote Kenpachi despite clearly stating that his play was proscum/antitown. He then proceeded to vote for sinani and basically beg for votes.
Later at night, he goes to direct doctors at risk.nuke, quoting a generic "Guys player better!" post by him.
Forumite has been active on directing the players, directly asking about specific players. He also seems to be blind to prplhz's reasoning and is just following the case with the Caps Lock thing, just like scum would do it(attacking out of the slightest argument)

Forumite also seems to put 110% of his efforts to lynch prplhz and prplhz only, as if he was trying to remove attention from other scummy looking players.

This is my read on him.
##Vote: Forumite

TL;DR: prplhz feels town for me, Forumite feels scum.

On November 21 2011 19:47 Cyber_Cheese wrote:

How many lynches do you want today?

On November 21 2011 19:44 Zephirdd wrote:
He also seems to be blind to prplhz's reasoning and is just following the case with the Caps Lock thing, just like scum would do it(attacking out of the slightest argument)

On November 21 2011 16:36 xsksc wrote:
Just woke up and skimmed the thread, got to run for work now.
Just realised I hadn't voted yet, I'll post explanations for these later, hopefully during lunch.

##Vote: Prphlz
##Vote: Nisani201

On November 21 2011 22:00 prplhz wrote:
Can't you look for an alternative now then, so you will not end up lynching some ill-advised secondary opinion?

On November 21 2011 22:29 Palmar wrote:
So yeah, for transparency and people just looking for the verdict (though I would argue that reading the entire thought process is extremely helpful) I'm going to (despite never having voted him)

##Unvote: prplhz

On November 21 2011 23:25 Palmar wrote:


It isn't a defense. I didn't defend him around the sinani206 case. As I stated, the post was written as I read through prplhz's posts. If I had stopped there I probably would've voted prplhz, because the two things that are really off on him, are what he did around the sinani206 lynch, and what he did to try to discredit me.

I didn't stop reading, I went through, and in the end, despite that I think he's town. I have explained what I think about him, and in great detail how I came to that conclusion. I wasn't straight up defending him, because I only decided my conclusion right at the end of that post.

On November 21 2011 22:29 Palmar wrote:
Another thing that really works in prplhz's favor is the fact that he doesn't lose sight of the end goal while he's being scrutinized. He has all the while through defending himself kept calling people out for bullshit and attempted to create cases.

On November 21 2011 23:59 Palmar wrote:


Yes.

Why do you care? You're probably town too, and no matter how this goes down I'm going to look bad for it. You're not going to be swayed. Do you not want discussion?

You asked for my thoughts, these are my thoughts. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm right.

On November 22 2011 00:15 chaoser wrote:
while I'm still here:

##vote: prplhz
##vote: palmar

On November 22 2011 03:32 Cyber_Cheese wrote:

Unless I'm mistaken, thats makes 12.
Prplhz is effectively dead come night, so there is no point discussing him.
Anyone around that hasn't taken a stance on Chaoser/Palmar, I want to hear your opinion. Lets get discussion going again before it becomes last minute like Sinani.

On November 22 2011 04:22 Coagulation wrote:
##vote: prplhz

I wouldnt mind lynching ROL either after his "LOL LETS LYNCH KENPACHI"
a real credit to town.

On November 22 2011 06:39 prplhz wrote:
Hmm that sucks. Well I have a pretty powerful blue role but I thought I could wait for a few more votes before claiming and then when I came back I was dead.

Well gg and sorry town.

On November 22 2011 07:26 prplhz wrote:
Yea, don't ask me questions about my claim, I could be scum!

On November 22 2011 07:33 MrZentor wrote:
Okay, I saw Prplhz was being attacked, so I filtered his posts. At first, I thought he seemed scummy, but after I saw his reasoning and how he defended sinani, I decided he was clean.

But then I saw that he defended sinani moments after the final vote was counted. He wanted to make it look like he was defending the innocent guy without actually doing it. This seems pretty suspicious.

##Voterplhz

P.S. I hope that vote worked.

On November 22 2011 07:35 MrZentor wrote:
##Vote: Prphlz

Dumb space..

On November 22 2011 07:56 prplhz wrote:
Alright since it's you asking Cyber_Cheese <3

I watched Tyrran last night and Cyber_Cheese and DCLXVI visited him.

On November 22 2011 07:59 prplhz wrote:
If anything is unclear, I suggest you PM Zona yourself.

On November 22 2011 08:17 Cyber_Cheese wrote:

Explain the bolded section. Why does one of us have to be mafia?
Not only that, but you were willing to openly accept that information from somebody you believe to be scum, just because he's about to die?
##Vote: Forumite

On November 22 2011 08:48 Cyber_Cheese wrote:


Confirmed town doesn't mean correct opinion. Yes you know the confirmed townies are town, but don't fall to the temptation to start playing a game of follow the blues. Confirmed townies don't always get it right, especially if people kick their action down a notch.

On November 22 2011 08:48 GreYMisT wrote:
Guys we are running out of time to make intelligent decisions. what are everyone's thoughts, disregarding prplhz (too much WIFOM potential)

On November 22 2011 09:00 DCLXVI wrote:
I can confirm that I did visit tyrran last night, I wish you had roleclaimed that earlier prplhz. For what its worth I did not protect Palmar last night, leading me to doubt his claim
@harbringer
lots of things change when people flip, and i've been sick the past few days, so I have not put nearly as much effort in this game-day.

On November 22 2011 09:37 Lanaia wrote:
How much time do we have left?

On November 22 2011 09:43 Lanaia wrote:
Okay, so I can't actually save him.

Well, do we want to lynch someone else?

On November 22 2011 09:54 MrZentor wrote:


Really? Because I thought I made a terrible first impression.

On November 22 2011 10:01 Nisani201 wrote:
Why are you trusting a case made by obvious scum? Palmar is the enemy here. All of you should be lynching him. If you don't think he's scummy, read my analysis again.

On November 22 2011 10:32 bumatlarge wrote:
The second he stopped posting like sinani I thought he was town. I'll give a verdict before the votes are done. He needs 5 more?

On November 22 2011 10:43 bumatlarge wrote:


You put your vote on DCL or Palmar, and I'll put my vote on nisani, because I'm sure his alignment could help, but as of right now he's one of the few people in the thread who realizes the important vote is DCL vs palmar.

On November 22 2011 11:00 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Can someone explain why the hell we have two medic claims?

On November 22 2011 11:10 wherebugsgo wrote:


What does Forumite voting DCL/Palmar have to do with you voting nisani?

If Forumite voted Palmar would you still have voted Nisani? What's with the conditional voting?

On November 22 2011 11:12 DCLXVI wrote:

then you should know that I did not protect Palmar last night

On November 22 2011 11:16 Forumite wrote:

Okay, you are hinting all the time that you are a medic. Scum have noticed by now, so why won´t you claim? Are you a medic or not? It matters a lot to if we trust Palmar claiming he was hit during N1.

On November 22 2011 20:01 Palmar wrote:
Also, re-reading the last few pages I see some people wondering about whether a medic or his protectee get told if there is a hit, this is from the OP:



I see no indication that the doctor gets told that he successfully protects someone, however, the doctor should be able to deduce that he did seeing as I claimed the hit.

On November 22 2011 20:30 Zephirdd wrote:


The target is told that he was hit and saved, that's exactly what Palmar said.

Also, I'll keep your advice in mind Palmar.

On November 22 2011 20:38 Zephirdd wrote:







The target is told that he was hit and saved, that's exaclty what Palmar said quoted.

On November 22 2011 07:19 Tyrran wrote:
Also, while I'm at it :


##Vote: Coagulation
##Vote: Sabin010
##Vote: xsksc

You lurkers unburrow just to lynch an innocent WITHOUT any justification at all, and completely disregarding the post where I understand that prp is a potential blue ( yes i called him vigi which he denied but still) and Palmar huge post in his defence. You are either scum or really crappy town, i dont want you in the game either way.

On November 21 2011 16:36 xsksc wrote:
Just woke up and skimmed the thread, got to run for work now.
Just realised I hadn't voted yet, I'll post explanations for these later, hopefully during lunch.

##Vote: Prphlz
##Vote: Nisani201

On November 22 2011 04:22 Coagulation wrote:
##vote: prplhz

I wouldnt mind lynching ROL either after his "LOL LETS LYNCH KENPACHI"
a real credit to town.

On November 22 2011 02:28 Sabin010 wrote:
Ok i've read through the thread and this is what I have.

##Vote: prplhz

Risk.Nuke is completely pro-town and I'm keeping this vote on you until you've removed your vote.

On November 23 2011 17:31 Tyrran wrote:
Guys stop voting for now. Blue role analysis incoming. DCLXVI is likely blue. Dont lynch him

On November 23 2011 18:37 Tyrran wrote:
@Palmar
Now that 2 medics have been revealed, and none protected you, your hit claim looks more scummy. Mafia is confirmed to have 2KP ( as i dont think any vigilante would have been stupid enough to shoot drazerk/risk.nuke), but it would be rather easy for mafia to only use one, and for you to claim hit. A third medic is rather unlikely dont you think ?

On November 23 2011 18:47 Palmar wrote:


I have already explained that there is no mechanic in my role that allows me to survive night hits.

On November 23 2011 19:47 wherebugsgo wrote:
also ##vote Forumite

for being repeatedly thick/repeatedly pushing stupid lynches.

Stop it. Really. It's starting to get annoying. If you're actually town, take your head out of your ass and look at what you're doing.

On November 23 2011 22:56 Palmar wrote:
you're lying, you didn't re-read the thread.

On November 24 2011 01:22 hyshes wrote:
@wbg:
explain this.
+ Show Spoiler +

+ Show Spoiler +

Whitin 1 post you change your thought on forumite? Without a post inbetween from forumite? Or any post concerning the matter? Everybody knows you don't post without reading the thread, so this makes no sence.

On November 24 2011 06:34 Nisani201 wrote:

I would not recommend voting Coagulation. I am almost certain he is trying to draw votes to himself for whatever reason.

On November 24 2011 07:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
I disagree 100% with everything Nisani has said this game, what do you say about that?

RoL is not scum. Try coming up with your own ideas for once. The fact that you're actually entertaining Nisani's ideas, of all people, is honestly blowing my mind right now.

On November 24 2011 10:39 bumatlarge wrote:
If you are town and do not vote DCL or palmar, you are bad at mafia. End of story.

On November 24 2011 11:03 bumatlarge wrote:


If he's blue palmar is scum. If you think palmar is town and really was shot, DCL is scum. I've gone over this.

On November 24 2011 13:02 bumatlarge wrote:


Lynching townies is not bad if it in no way inhibits us from winnign the game. The only reason lynching townies is bad is in normal formats, that is one less town KP being used on scum. The only thing that could really hurt us lynching those players is if we are dead wrong and only 0-1 of them are scum, or Zona's warning kills townies, which I think it does not. I think it does not.

I initially thought to myself that perhaps the amount of people we lynch gives mafia that much KP, but three people died yesterday, and unless it's cumulative (which I don't see how that could be fair, unless we actually had about 5 doctors,) so I've ruled it out. I believe it could do anything short of actually killing people.

On November 25 2011 01:20 xsksc wrote:
Doesn't nisani have 10 votes now forumite?

On November 25 2011 01:51 hyshes wrote:
@forumite: care to explain your reasoning behind your statement about the votes on nisani? I can't really follow your logic in that.

On November 25 2011 02:03 GreYMisT wrote:

Unfortunatly this for me as well.

Some breif thoughts about the game state as it curently is though.

I think our main focus for the rest of the day needs to be on if we want mr zentor dead or not. ever since he took over for chaoser I know I have been having a hard time deciding where to go. But recently I have noticed that a number of questions have been asked of him (chaoser's town claim, his thoughts) And he has either ignored them, or givin very vauge answers. His votes have also been very brief, and have the air of someone that wants to lay low. In addition to the case on chaoser, this is enough for me to vote for him

##Vote: MrZentor

again, ill try to keep up with the thread the best that i can today.

On November 25 2011 03:24 hyshes wrote:


just the whole thing. What are you stating actually?

On November 25 2011 03:44 Tyrran wrote:


You need to stop ignoring the fact that scum have targeted people voting for Nisani BOTH NIGTH ( Palmar N1, and Drazerk N2) Your logic doesnt make sense to me.

On November 25 2011 07:51 Cyber_Cheese wrote:

I second that notion, although I don't think it's a valid reason to vote, especially since Nisani might flip scum yet.
I still think MrZentor is the best lynch. Chaoser looked scummy, and instead of alleviating that, MrZentor chooses to lurk and talk more about his own role than the other players.

On November 25 2011 08:00 Tyrran wrote:
##Vote: Cyber_cheeze
##Vote: Forumite

Cyber_cheeze: You visiting me still makes more sense as scum than as blue.
Forumite : Your reasoning for saving Nisani makes no sense. I feel like you're a scum trying to look good. Also, see WBG post

Plus you both voted for palmar who is clearly the best town around here. How more scummy can you be ?

On November 25 2011 08:17 wherebugsgo wrote:
scum never kill me cause people always suspect me regardless of alignment lol.

I was actually surprised I got shot n1 in LoTR, and in SMG when I had a correct scumread it was the serial killer who shot me and not scum.

You can't WIFOM yourself into trying to figure out scum reads, only scum know what scum want. So, the fact that you're trying to reason this out based on what scum to do is very suspicious.

On November 25 2011 08:22 Tyrran wrote:


Because you just voted for palmar.

And as i said before, Scum DID SHOOT FOR THOSE pushing Nisani. EVERY NIGTH some one voting for Nisani got hit. How can you say they did not target those pushing for him. Shooting palmar N2 would be bad as he was obv going to be protected again, so they went for drazerk who voted twice for him.

On November 25 2011 08:28 xsksc wrote:
In a few hours? Isn't there another day and a half until the deadline?

On November 25 2011 08:32 wherebugsgo wrote:


dude, where are you pulling this shit from?

How can you assume Drazerk was a vig hit? Why are you making unnecessary assumptions about the game and trying to use inconclusive evidence to conclude things that are very far from being concrete?

You're being incredibly dumb if you're a townie and you're shedding plenty of doubt if you're scum.

On November 25 2011 08:37 Tyrran wrote:
Why would any vigi hit Drazerk when after he claimed Mason. That doesnt remotely makes sense. Mafia killing two almost confirmed town ( drazerk and risk.nuke) makes a lot of sense on the other hand. Why assume the opposite ?

On November 25 2011 08:56 hyshes wrote:


Expecting scum making the obvious kills is retarded. Maybe scum wants us to have this discussion to distract us from more scumhunting. You might be scum who wants to have this stupid discussion?

On November 25 2011 09:16 xsksc wrote:


BUT WHAT IF THEY KNOW THAT WE KNOW THAT THEY KNOW THAT WE KNOW?!

....You know?

On November 25 2011 09:54 Nisani201 wrote:
OK I'M SORRY!

It just didn't seem like we were talking about much. If you guys want to talk about stuff, go ahead.

On November 25 2011 18:19 Palmar wrote:
Lynch me please

##Vote Palmar

I have no interest in playing with people who don't want to try. I am sorry for signing up for this game.

On November 25 2011 19:04 Tyrran wrote:


You already voted for him. Dont try to start a BandWagon.

On November 25 2011 19:37 wherebugsgo wrote:
Forumite do you even know what a chainsaw defense is?

On November 25 2011 19:48 Palmar wrote:
Forumite, I've proven beyond reasonable doubt that you're bad or scum. You should probably stop talking now.

On November 25 2011 20:01 wherebugsgo wrote:


Tyrran and I are only chainsaw defending Palmar if the following are true:

1. All 3 of us are scum
2. We defend Palmar not by actually defending him but ignoring him and attacking you instead

Neither of those things are true, I know that for a fact.

Please stop spouting garbage.

On November 25 2011 20:04 xsksc wrote:
We're not lynching Palmar if we want to win.

##Vote: Forumite

On November 25 2011 20:12 Tyrran wrote:


Actually, its closer to a Town Chainsaw defense. Palmar is hugely likely to be town ( if you are not convinced, please carefully read his filter until you are), and is by far the best town player. Anyone trying to lynch him or start a bandwagon against him is either scum or really bad, and thus is a good candidate for lynching.

On November 25 2011 20:14 xsksc wrote:
I have a 100% sure reason to believe Palmar is town, it's not just a guess.