Team Melee Mini Mafia - Couples Therapy

On November 02 2011 08:08 GMarshal wrote:

then the "good" players would be mobbed and all the players with less reputation would feel bad. This method is best.

Fun fact, my first mafia game was a team melee hosted by RoL I ended up partnered with theMango and rolling scum. We won day 3 against a claimed cop ^_^

On November 02 2011 08:32 prplhz wrote:
if i get paired with forumite i'm gonna ninja vote for him if i get the chance to have him lynched

On November 02 2011 09:56 prplhz wrote:
im gonna disgrace who i want and vote who i want and im not gonna stop for anything

On November 02 2011 12:43 GreYMisT wrote:


My god the WIFOM if this discussion were going on during the game

On November 03 2011 02:06 GMarshal wrote:

Mein Deutsch ist nicht sehr gut, aber ich verstehe viel und kann genug Deutsch sprehen zu mich verstandlich machen.

So yeah, I speak enough German to get along ^_^

Still IIRC one of the commandments requires us to speak in english, so lets avoid going on tangents! :-P

On November 03 2011 02:30 chaoser wrote:
http://reasoningwithvampires.tumblr.com/tagged/dialogue_tags

Not mine but still awesome

On November 03 2011 03:42 Kurumi wrote:

I have bad feelings about this name..

On November 03 2011 05:59 Radfield wrote:
Some kind of bug has hit me hard and knocked me on my ass. Hopefully I will feel better tomorrow. Bugs you can pick our name.

On November 03 2011 08:12 redFF wrote:

for the first part, i totally disagree. it's not like a pressure vote will turn into a 6 hour quicklynch, and if it does, then that's not always a bad thing. I prefer this method of voting tbh, don't look at it as a negative, but as a positive! Change is fun and exciting!

for the second part yes and yes.

On November 03 2011 07:47 GMarshal wrote:
oh, wait, this is majority lynch. I knew I forgot to talk about something important.

For fucks sake, if you get someone to L-2 stop voting for him until the last 12 hours of the day, and give warning before hammering. Remember, more time is always good for town, and giving the lynchee time to dump information can only be good. Leaving the player at L-2 ensures we avoid any "accidental" lynches.

On November 03 2011 08:26 prplhz wrote:
wbg we cant just let scum go just because one of them is trying to look town of course we need to think about both players but if one is scum then they should answer for it

On November 03 2011 08:29 GMarshal wrote:

I meant two votes to lynch, so if a player needs 7 to lynch, stop at 5. This policy would only be in effect for the first 36 or so hours of each day, but from personal experience, nothing sucks more than lighting bandwagons ending the day 3 hours in because everyone agrees someone is "scummy" and then seeing them flip green.

On November 03 2011 08:41 GMarshal wrote:

Oh, frag, I forgot its a 9 team game. Oops. In my mind the smallest game that exists has 11 players :-P

In that case I suppose I can live with leaving a player at L-1, but if anyone quickhammers I will rip them a new one.

On November 03 2011 08:42 hyshes wrote:


Actually the best way of playing this kind of mafia is splitting up your team. If only one of you knows your role, then only one can make mistakes. The only thing you need to do together is analysis of the other teams. To prevent any possible mistakes, must the one who knows the role only paraphrase what his teammate says. Ofcourse by the second night the one who knows should tell the one who don't (a few nights later depending on the size of the game). There is an obvious easy mistake to make here: the role should always be hidden, even it's town.

On November 03 2011 09:08 redFF wrote:

whatever bro, i was really busy in pypi and barely ever posted. you don't have to be a dick especially when you agree with me. of course we consider the behavior of both players but if one guy is obv scum you dont just go other guy looks town derp.

On November 03 2011 09:18 kitaman27 wrote:


*wink wink*
*nudge nudge*

On November 03 2011 09:19 kitaman27 wrote:
Also, we've all read our role pms. New discussion topic please.

On November 03 2011 09:56 GMarshal wrote:

Filter him. His grammar and spelling is annoying and he's pushing nonesense that doesn't further finding scum.

On November 03 2011 10:39 Forumite wrote:

If you don´t think what prplhz does is helping us find scum, then I guess you think hyshes is Town, right? Why didn´t you defend him instead?

On November 03 2011 10:51 GMarshal wrote:

I have no idea of hyshes alignment, his NotChezinu plan is derp, but hey, its a plan.

You on the other hand seem to be immensely annoyed at being called scum. Why this reaction to being called out? It looks like someone might have something to hide...

Answering WBG's question about spelling and grammar, since when does a townie have a motive to make reading his posts harder and making him less likely to properly convey a point, making people more likely to disregard his posts?

On November 03 2011 11:04 GMarshal wrote:

And why do you think hyshes is scum? His plan?

I'm not disagreeing, mind you, I just can't think of a reason why scum would post such an insane plan in the thread, rather than in the scum QT, unless he really *didn't* read his role PM, which would be patently ridiculous. We've seen many townies produce super anti-town plans in the past, which is why I'm hesitant to judge him just on that. I'm actually decent at reading chaoser, which is why I'm reserving judgement, I should be able to figure chaoser out a lot faster than hyshes, whom I have no experience with. So yeah, I'm jotting him down as a null read till I see more.

But by all means, pile on the votes, I'm intrigued to see how that whole team reacts.

On November 04 2011 03:55 sandroba wrote:
You are wrong GM, sorry. Lynching is only good for town when it hits scum. The process is good for town regardless, but going ahead with it is only favorable depending on results.
From an optimization stand point regarding the setup I guarantee you town's chances are higher if we prolong the game by one night.

On November 04 2011 03:59 kitaman27 wrote:
7v2
Mislynch
5v2
Mislynch
3v2
LYLO

7v2
No lynch
6v2
No lynch
5v2
Mislynch
3v2
LYLO

Essentially we are trading 1 mislynch for 48 hours of disccusion, during which nobody is threatened because they know there won't be a lynch. The odds of hitting scum statistically are unfavorable every day. That doesn't mean you don't try.



Or you could try to come up with a more convincing case yourself. We agree the prpl one is bad, how about the other 6 teams?

On November 04 2011 03:55 sandroba wrote:
I will do my part to ensure we no lynch today, unless someone comes up if a more convincing case

On November 04 2011 03:10 chaoser wrote:
Thanks for summarizing my stance and posting nothing here. Also, are you trying to say that you know what hyshes' motive are in posting that? I didn't realize you were psychic. How do you know for a fact that hyshe wasn't trying to draw mafia out? How do you know he's NOT bad at making plans? How do you know what he was thinking when he posted that plan? Have you played with him before? Are you talking to him in PMs? Oh right, you're not and you've never played a game with him. What shitty logic.

On November 03 2011 18:02 supersoft wrote:


yes okay i agree. my "plan" is a bit lame. it's a process that uses the game mechanics in an unfair way. but i guess, posting the logs to avoid a lynch will happen anyway, unless it's forbidden. no further discussion needed.
(do the extra work, scummers!)

okay next point is GM accusing team Viking. Prplhz is from denmark and hes no anglistic expert. i dont mind some minor mistakes and i do them, too. i know you say he's doing that interpunctuation mistakes on purpose, and you say that a townie has no reason to be hard to understand.
i think however, that scum has no reason to be hard to understand, too. therefor...

@wbg: who is the scummiest team in your eyes right now?

On November 04 2011 05:36 chaoser wrote:


In Death Factory Mafia when people falsely accused me of being mafia for shitty reasons (He's defending himself! He's mafia! Only mafia do that!) I got pissed and I pushed everyone to the edge, then mafia flipped the flames, and everyone died. And I laughed. I laughed for a good three hours. I still laugh when I go back to read that game. So your meta reads on me are completely wrong.





Says my team is scummy, doesn't vote for us.

???

On November 04 2011 03:10 chaoser wrote:


First of all, that game was only a mafia win because Aidnai decided to WIFOM himself into voting with someone THAT WASN'T EVEN THERE TO DEFEND HIMSELF.



Secondly how am I trying to shut down discussion? I said the "post your team convo lawl plan" was bullshit and not playing to the spirit of the game and that I wouldn't stand for it. Palmer decided he agreed and added in the new rule, I then said that a mafia mind doesn't generally think up stupid shitty plans. Go read any number of games but especially LoTR's opening days where tons of shitty plans came forward and all of them were by townies. Dumb play/=Mafia. Where in any of the things that I just said does "HE IS SHUTTING DOWN DISCUSSION!" come into play? I'm actually ADDING to discussion by pointing out my opinions.



Thanks for summarizing my stance and posting nothing here. Also, are you trying to say that you know what hyshes' motive are in posting that? I didn't realize you were psychic. How do you know for a fact that hyshe wasn't trying to draw mafia out? How do you know he's NOT bad at making plans? How do you know what he was thinking when he posted that plan? Have you played with him before? Are you talking to him in PMs? Oh right, you're not and you've never played a game with him. What shitty logic.

On November 04 2011 05:57 chaoser wrote:


Not really. Bro. I'm sorry if all caps to you is shouting, it can be used as emphasis to some point as well.

On November 04 2011 06:29 chaoser wrote:


lol, this is death factory mafia all over again. "Why are you defending yourself? That must mean you're panicking! You're MAFIA!" Obviously townies would defend themselves/try to get pressure off of themselves so that there's not a mislynch and the focus can be put to better use. Wtf kind of logic is that...

On November 04 2011 08:01 hyshes wrote:


I don't see how referring to another game says something?

On November 04 2011 07:33 iGrok wrote:
Lay off chaoser/hyshes for being defensive, even if they are scum, defending yourself is not a scumslip and people who look for that piss me off.

On November 04 2011 09:39 deconduo wrote:

Yeah you're scum.



Dumb doesn't mean scum. This is a terrible reason for voting someone. Anyone who comes up with a bad plan is usually town if you look at past games.



This. Its a new player with an ill-thought out plan.

As for Sandroba's No-Lynch day 1 plan, it has merits but as has been pointed out you shouldn't declare a no-lynch at the start of the day as all the extra scumhunting time is just wasted. The only exception to this would be a mylo situation where a mislynch would be a loss and a no-lynch would give an extra round of night actions.

On November 04 2011 09:59 hyshes wrote:
@wbg:
I did not have to feeling i had to add anything on what my teammate said. That's why i lack in posting.

btw, for someone who is calling out that someone else is in panic, you also give kinda a panic reaction.



any chance you explain why you are so afraid that your words are misunderstanded?

On November 04 2011 10:52 kitaman27 wrote:


Oh prime scum team? Funny, you haven't pointed out anything that was actually scummy.

At this point, I believe the scum team is contained in this set of players. Ideally I'd like to be able to narrow it down as more people start to post, but RoL, Kurumi, Crofty, iGrok, and Katzeleute all need to give us more to work with.

1. sandroba & Sevryn Deconduo - TEAM SS
3. Radfield & wherebugsgo - TEAM CHEZINU
4. Kurumi & RebirthOfLeGenD - TEAM NIPPLE
5. Crofty & Gmarshal - TEAM LIQUID
7. chaoser & hyshes - TEAM EDWARD
8. iGrok & Katzeleute - TEAM SWITZERLAND

On November 04 2011 11:23 redFF wrote:

hes just giving his reads. its funny that this is the first time you've attacked us and its just after decon fos'd us. scum.

##unvote
##Vote wherebugsgo

On November 04 2011 11:25 kitaman27 wrote:


They weren't convenient exclusions...I'm telling you guys which teams I wouldn't consider voting for at this point. We're trying to move towards a team we can agree to reach majority on, no?



supersoft because he shows he cares who is lynched on day one. He is sharing his opinion and playing transparently.

prpl because between all the one liners, he has a similar thought process as myself. The things he is questioning are things I also feel relevant.



I'm providing my opinion. Use it however you wish.

On November 04 2011 11:33 kitaman27 wrote:


Have those "good points" swayed your opinions to not aim for a mislynch? What conclusions have you come to based upon the responses?

On November 05 2011 02:16 kitaman27 wrote:


lol? None of your business.

On November 05 2011 02:19 redFF wrote:
we claimed because if we didn't claim now we would have had to wait until l-1, and then we would have had a nolynch, because there wouldnt have been enough time to lynch anyone else. this gives town enough time to actually lynch someone.

i can't believe anyone is actually thinking about still lynching us after the claim lol.

On November 05 2011 02:19 supersoft wrote:
okay i thought about the possibility that they're scum.
they would have planned this very likely right from the beginning as a last hope plan.
there would be a 33% chance that there is a real pc. seems to be an okay plan.
the only piece that doesnt fit in the puzzle really is the timing.
its too early for scum to claim. obviously they could have drawn this out until one hour before the lynch.
therefor i tend to believe them.

On November 05 2011 02:20 kitaman27 wrote:
Are you playing the same game as us bugs? This is day 1....how exactly are we going to breadcrumb our night 1 check?

Revealing our checks gives the mafia an indication of who to shoot. How is it relavent to town who we will check?That's not happening.

On November 05 2011 02:21 chaoser wrote:
WBG, he claimed PC, that means there's a 50% 50% chance he's taking with counterclaims. It'd be very easy to check his claim as the game goes on, why would you be ok with voting for someone that just claimed PC?

On November 05 2011 02:32 chaoser wrote:


Goes from being "lawl what a shitty claim, still mafia" to "All I'm saying is we shouldn't let them off the hook." Funny move Mr. tunnel.

On November 05 2011 02:15 wherebugsgo wrote:
Now, we have a PC claim and an interesting situation here. I don't like claims. However, I'll hold off for a bit until I can get some basic information from kita and red on this.

On November 05 2011 02:29 wherebugsgo wrote:
All I'm saying is that we shouldn't let kita and red off the hook just because they claimed PC. Kita didn't react in a very townie manner to the way I asked about potential checks. That's suspicious to me.

On November 05 2011 02:36 redFF wrote:

do you know what a parity cop does?

On November 05 2011 02:41 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Alright, well I just got back from school and haven't read shit all so it might take me a little while to catch up. Until then if there is anything important I should know, feel free to reply. It shouldn't take me more than an hour or two to catch up depending on the spam content.

On November 05 2011 02:39 chaoser wrote:


Ah my bad, I misread the beginning of that post as more aggressive than it actually was since you first say

"I'm willing to vote for these two teams"=I think they are scum
and then at the end it ended up being
"However, I'll hold off for a bit until I can get some basic information from kita and red on this."=I am not sure of it

Carry on

On November 05 2011 03:09 kitaman27 wrote:
TEAM SWITZERLAND, TEAM EDWARD, TEAM LIQUID, TEAM SS does anyone strongly oppose lynching one of these four teams?

On November 05 2011 04:14 redFF wrote:
##Vote Team Viking

i looked over the case and i agree with it, ima keep being useless now.

On November 05 2011 04:14 redFF wrote:
##Vote Team Viking

i looked over the case and i agree with it, ima keep being useless now.

On November 05 2011 07:29 Palmar wrote:
The teams voting for Viking at the deadline:

SS
Liquid
Nipple
Edward
Switzerland

On November 05 2011 11:05 supersoft wrote:
i knew it! sandroba and GM are scum together!
Team SS leaded the lynch backed up with an okayish case on sandro.
suddenly GM appeared with a huge analysis of our PC. he doesnt mention the SS case at all!!!
after kitared convincingly claimed, GM switched on viking.

correct me if i'm missing something!

On November 05 2011 11:22 supersoft wrote:
okay good point.
but remember that kuru brought us this idea. so they could easily argue against each other about general strategies and noone of them is responsible for the initiation of that. the discussion brought us nowhere and its not their fault.

one thing i wanna have a look on, is their behaviour towards chaoser.
i didnt implement that in my theory yet.

On November 05 2011 11:34 bumatlarge wrote:
And shame on everyone who discouraged poor hyshes with his train of thought. While a completely obsurd plan that would be impossible, and then really awful play on top of it, it does hint at the glaring weakness a frisky mafia team will get gutted for.



It was heading in the right direction, but you would have overshot your destination by a few hundred miles at the rate you were running. "This kind of mafia" is the key phrase that we should consider in our analyses.

---

That said, orthodox scumhunting is at it's finest here. I had certain suspicions rummaging through the thread, so I was very happy to have GM a step ahead of me. I was fairly certain redff was scum (not so much kitaman). I'm very curious about how their claim would have fleshed out, but with no counter-claim, and the 50/50 risk of being dead wrong as scum, I can't really reach any gamestate where mafia would do that. And that early. Holy shit, you guys had like 2 votes on you. Split milk I guess.

Forumite and prphlz was a poor lynch choice, I think there were better options available. The second player I was suspicious of behind red was WBG, mainly from this post.



I felt like that was a backwards conclusion to make. I know bugs is a universally aggressive player, so seeing him draw out this line, from what I can tell, a newer player, seems like play focused in the wrong direction.

And then this drops of the map. Incredibly odd. I concluded that radfield convinced him it was a bad idea to pursue this, but radfield's posts have not impressed me. I'm mostly suggesting that people take the "Interactions" philosophy to heart when they analyze. There is no direction to point blues in with the known info, so please don't try.

On November 05 2011 02:28 Radfield wrote:
sorry bugs, not on my comp.

and yes, lol at asking who the cop is checking

Unless there is a counter claim, we're not lynching kita/red. With a 50% chance of the cop being in the game, it's a ballsy claim, and done earlier in the day than a desperate scum move typically would(unless you're iGrok).

If you are the Parity Cop, and kita/red are lying, you absolutely need to claim. It is by far the most info a parity cop will net us.

That leaves us a whole slew of teams on the table. I think Team Edward is still by far our best bet. Team Switzerland is a good bet at this point as well(Bum&iGrok), but I don't think adding another team to the mix is the best play right now. Likewise Team Nipple.

Team SS is best left for another day in my eyes.

On November 04 2011 22:42 Radfield wrote:
Well, a lurker lynch at this point means You Kurumi...

At some point presumably you will have time today, yes? Who do you think is the best target for the lynch? Do you still think no-lynch is the best option? If you think we should no-lynch, which teams do you think are likely town.

We need to consolidate our votes at this point.

Sandro + Decon: Anyone voting for Sandro+Sevyrn needs to reaffirm that they still think this is the best lynch. I don't think it' a terrible lynch, as Sandro is rubbing me the wrong way. However, he is a solid player and I'm confident he will either start to make sense or start to look very red.

Kurumi + RoL: Lurker Lynch. Kurumi has used a lot of words and very little content, while RoL has used no words at all.. I'm not sure why you are playing the upset card here though Kurumi. What you posted was fairly generic, despite whether you are trying to be helpful or not. Also, RoL's actions DO reflect on you, whether you like it or not, just like Bugs reflects on me, and so on. It's not your fault, but it's something you have to accept.



iGrok, it's now the second have of day 2, so it's time for you to break things out. I'll admit that I'm mildly skeptical of you actually discussing much with your partner considering the circumstances, but that's neither here nor there. I assume you have plenty to contribute to the lynch discussion at this point.

Chaoser and Hyshes: A good lynch target at this point, though I'm willing to be swayed.

Hyshes: I do not think Hyshes is scummy because he came into the thread and proposed a bad plan. In fact, that is NOT what happened. Hyshes did not propose any plan at all, because his 'plan' was obviously impossible long before he brought it up. Yet this did not stop him from speaking at length about it.

Does this make him scum? Of course not, but certain people here feel that proposing bad plans is a townie trait(certainly not always true) but that is most emphatically NOT what happened.

Since then he has contributed nothing to the lynch discussion, and has played the newbie card several times.

Chaoser: I fully agree with his views regarding posting logs. The game of Mafia should be played as Mafia. That being said I also recognize how supersofts plan was abusive to town. Town players generally do not react angrily to abusive pro-town plans(see PYPI where everyone who was really upset about Jimbo smurfing IRC was scum). However, I'm willing to write that off as a null-tell at best.

What I am NOT willing to write off as a null tell is the fact that Chaoser has almost no contribution outside of his own defense. In PYPI Chaoser came alive with posts to defend himself and very little else(as scum). He is doing a similar thing here, as well as giving himself excuses for future inactivity(advisory capacity). To be perfectly clear Chaoser, I do not think you are scum because you are defending yourself, simply because you are only defending yourself.

What are your reads Chaoser, who is scum, who is town, who should we lynch today. Show me that I'm wrong.... dazzle me...

On November 05 2011 13:08 bumatlarge wrote:

Ah I see that chaoser is that team. Chaoser is a different story, I haven't read his posts too closely. I am referring to you pushing hyshes without more then what radfield surmised in that last post of his. Those posts by radfield are exactly what I'm talking about when I'm saying "unimpressed". I'm used to radfield being more helpful and conclusive, and I'm not seeing that here. He hasn't given me much reason to put him red, but it's odd play and it should be noted.

On November 04 2011 08:01 hyshes wrote:


I don't see how referring to another game says something?

On November 05 2011 02:23 hyshes wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

+ Show Spoiler +

+ Show Spoiler +

First TEAM VIKING is trying to get all kinds of votes going on different teams. And then, out of

the blue, without metioning team red21 before, they directly go along with GM's post.

+ Show Spoiler +

Also: FoS Nipple, post moar!

On November 05 2011 13:08 bumatlarge wrote:
I never said radfield wasn't pushing it publicly, but I feel like there was a missing conversation where you pushed a team who you thought was scum, and where nobody really "convinced" radfield it was a bad lynch, yet Forumite/prphlz took priority for you guys. Making a case that people agree with then giving way to another lynch that wasn't on your radar from what I can tell by both your posts, leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

On November 05 2011 13:08 bumatlarge wrote:
You seem to want to fight about saying something I didn't say, so commence getting over that. Team Edward won't be our lynch tomorrow, but I will read chaoser's posts again. The only thing radfield and you seem to be harping on about is lack of content, which is usually not a strong case.

On November 05 2011 11:34 bumatlarge wrote:
Forumite and prphlz was a poor lynch choice, I think there were better options available. The second player I was suspicious of behind red was WBG, mainly from this post.

On November 05 2011 14:14 chaoser wrote:
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I actually want to clarify what he meant with this statement cause I was confused by it as well. Apparently he plays mafia at his university and they don't use meta...crazy, I know.

On November 05 2011 14:53 chaoser wrote:


Also I know you've been following the newbie game and hyshes play in this game pretty much matches up with his play in that game. And that is, he's playing in a way that's totally foreign to us, specifically because he's use to playing a different form of the mafia game where the meta is so different as to be alien.

On November 05 2011 23:32 chaoser wrote:


How can you even compare numbers when this game is a team game when that one isn't? Just by the pure fact that I am able to fill in for him when he is unable/uncomfortable/don't know what to do when posting makes it a moot point to compare post numbers. Not to mention you're not looking at the actual situation of how he posts and instead looking at generalization of "relevant posts" which is still bullshit.

In this game, he posts a bad plan, and starts getting pressured, he shuts down and stops posting, not even defending himself. I had to come in to defend.

In that game, he gets a case put together and then voted on by Harbringer at a time when Drem had 3 votes on him, including a vote by the main other influential player. He immediately shuts down and posts "Yeah sure, lynch me." For the rest of the game he posts that this martyr is a smart plan/move that will help town. Pretty much all of it is one-liner or useless



When he's finally pushed to actually post something on Toad, he posts mostly one liners while quoting him. All of them were simple statements saying the same thing which is the general sentiment of "Toad doesn't care about which townie dies"



Can't tell if you're being obtuse or scum >_>

On November 06 2011 10:55 kitaman27 wrote:
Radfield and bugs, you both indicated that you were against the idea of no lynch, but your absence from the thread would have lead to a no lynch had it not been for the last minute lynch of team viking. You casually mention team edward is the best lynch, but put in no effort pushing it. Why is that?

Sandroba, you haven't done anything to make me think you are town. You mentioned that your no lynch plan was an attempt to get reactions from people and that people made some very good points that you agreed with, yet at the end still advocates a no lynch. You said it was because we claimed as PC. Could you explain how that makes any sense at all? The only reason for a no lynch was to hide the identify of the PC.

RoL, are you aware the game started?

On November 06 2011 10:55 kitaman27 wrote:
Radfield and bugs, you both indicated that you were against the idea of no lynch, but ]b]your absence from the thread would have lead to a no lynch had it not been for the last minute lynch of team viking. You casually mention team edward is the best lynch, but put in no effort pushing it. Why is that?

On November 06 2011 12:42 GMarshal wrote:
suggests to me that you aren't even reading the thread.

On November 06 2011 12:47 chaoser wrote:
You pushed red21 which became a pc claim, that I will admit. But then you left when the end of day came, the most important time. Your teammate came but didn't do much. I'm more pissed off at the shitty logic that people are using to try to lynch my team. You've played with me enough to know that's exactly how I respond. Still didn't address why I would be so active to push for a lynch btw me and Viking at the end of day to avoid a no lynch

On November 06 2011 12:51 chaoser wrote:
If I was mafia I could have sat back and waited for a no lynch

On November 06 2011 12:56 chaoser wrote:
People trying to say how I don't get emotional if im townie are fucking ridiculous...I didn't realize my meta game boiled down to "if mafia and pressured, will get emotional, lynch asap." I must be the shittest mafia player in the world.

On November 06 2011 12:59 chaoser wrote:
So your saying a townie wanting to not get lynched is a scum tell meta? How is that a scum tell?

##Vote: team chenizu

Shitty logic? Radfield being not active? Still alive past day one?

A check. Mafia

On November 06 2011 12:59 chaoser wrote:
So your saying a townie wanting to not get lynched is a scum tell meta? How is that a scum tell?

On November 06 2011 13:04 chaoser wrote:
How was I not being logical again? Viking was pretty scummy. My case was way better than your case on me which is solely based on this conception that I'm some sort of mafia god and if I'm under performing that I'm mafia. And tgat defending myself is a scum tell...What a shit case. Hope everyone can see this

On November 06 2011 13:07 chaoser wrote:
Shitty logic, radfield being very inactive and being alive are all part of it. If I was mafia why would I kill igrok/bum? I would kill you and radfield.

On November 06 2011 13:17 chaoser wrote:


You think THIS logic flies? Give a derp town easy reason to mislynch you...right...cause obviously there's tons of pressure on you from town to lynch you right?

On November 06 2011 13:27 chaoser wrote:


How is that admitting I'm not town? I said that you have no pressure from town to lynch you...which is a fact. And yet you post

On November 06 2011 13:27 chaoser wrote:


Why would that happen at all in a situation where you have NO PRESSURE ON YOU?

On November 06 2011 13:29 chaoser wrote:
Using shitty logic isn't going to protect you from getting lynched, if anything it's going to GET you lynched

On November 06 2011 13:37 chaoser wrote:


No pressure from town=fact? One guy voting for you ain't pressure. No one thought you were mafia yesterday at all, you were off the grid in terms of suspicion. So why would town derp along into voting for you again? Cause most of them seem to be pretty trusting of you. Though now your shitty logic for trying to get me lynched is starting to show. There's no reason whatsoever for if I was mafia to NOT kill your team seeing as how you would probably be the most prominent at getting MY team lynched today.

The suspicion on you is mainly from using SHITTY LOGIC and Radfield being inactive. Having the not die part is just icing on top.

On November 05 2011 02:58 chaoser wrote:


To expand on this point, in a small game like this, especially since it's so active, I very much doubt that mafia will be lurking or even inactive. Those are tactics that mafia teams of 6 use for late game survival when it's Day 8 and there's a sea of lurking/inactive players for town to work through.

On November 05 2011 14:53 chaoser wrote:


Also I know you've been following the newbie game and hyshes play in this game pretty much matches up with his play in that game. And that is, he's playing in a way that's totally foreign to us, specifically because he's use to playing a different form of the mafia game where the meta is so different as to be alien.

On November 06 2011 12:35 chaoser wrote:
Also, if I was mafia, why would I try to make sure there wasn't a no lunch, offering my team and Viking as valid lynches.

On November 06 2011 12:51 chaoser wrote:
If I was mafia I could have sat back and waited for a no lynch

On November 06 2011 12:52 chaoser wrote:
Lol, go read any of my old games. I get pissed easily

On November 06 2011 12:59 chaoser wrote:
##Vote: team chenizu

Shitty logic? Radfield being not active? Still alive past day one?

On November 06 2011 13:04 chaoser wrote:
How was I not being logical again? Viking was pretty scummy. My case was way better than your case on me which is solely based on this conception that I'm some sort of mafia god and if I'm under performing that I'm mafia. And tgat defending myself is a scum tell...What a shit case. Hope everyone can see this

On November 06 2011 13:07 chaoser wrote:
If I was mafia why would I kill igrok/bum? I would kill you and radfield.

On November 06 2011 13:16 chaoser wrote:


??? Everyone agreed that it WASN'T equivalent?

irrelevant and go "would scum do this? would scum do that?"

How is that irrelevant? I'm trying to prevent what I see as a bad lynch while giving reasons for WHY I think it was a bad lynch.

Still never responded to this point I see.

How was a no lynch and a lynch equivalent? We get info from a lynch, we get almost none from a no lynch.

On November 06 2011 13:43 chaoser wrote:


Still never responded to this point I see.

How was a no lynch and a lynch equivalent? We get info from a lynch, we get almost none from a no lynch.

Oops, I pressed edit on the previous post when I meant to press Quote. My bad

On November 06 2011 13:59 chaoser wrote:
And finally, you're saying

1) I'm mafia

2) I shot Bum/iGrok, one of the few people who didn't think I was mafia cause, fuck it, I like a challenge. And one of the few people that were suspicious of you and radfield.





3) And didn't shoot you so that I, the one that was the second most voted player would be able to get enough townies to "Derp along with me" to lynch you

On November 06 2011 14:07 chaoser wrote:


lol...I see you're going to take this one to the end I see. Good =]. All the more easy to get you lynched. So you're saying that if I was mafia the most logical kill for me to make was iGrok/Bum? Someone who didn't want me lynched today and someone who suspected you?

Or would it make more sense for you to be mafia and to kill him cause he was against lynching the person you have been going after the most and also cause he was suspicious of you?

On November 05 2011 02:49 chaoser wrote:


I've played in multiple games where mafia, especially newer players, have done that on the misconception that they will "blend in" with the rest of the players if they're part of a majority vote. The logic of using "I was wrong in the lynch but so was everyone else that voted for them" as an argument when a player flips town is something that DOES happen.

On November 06 2011 14:09 chaoser wrote:


Not all WIFOM is made the same. In this case, it certainly isn't lol. At the very least if I was mafia I would have killed one of the teams that was voting against me, not the team that was supporting me. Keep digging that hole though.

On November 06 2011 14:09 redFF wrote:
this back and forth is giving me scumvibes from wbg.

On November 06 2011 14:23 chaoser wrote:


Uh, cause foolishness/you contacted me during the night and said you were mafia that wanted to make an alliance? Did you forget that? Or was that a fact that you wanted to not bring up?

I actually even leaked that you were mafia to Radfield in the hopes that he would get some town KP to kill you to be gone with.

Kill two birds with one shot (Not waste our KP on you/Make town kill the most annoying person against my team)

Sadly Cyber leaked we were mafia. So that didn't work out so well.

On November 06 2011 14:25 chaoser wrote:


The fact that you're still pushing for my lynch and voting for me says you think it makes sense that I shot iGrok/Bum.

The fact of the matter is that it makes NO SENSE and that if you were actually townie you'd have noticed that and you would be reconsidering right now.

On November 06 2011 14:28 chaoser wrote:


I doubt Palmer will allow me to bring in the PMs from a previous game but you can rest assured that our logic in not killing you that night was perfect and the plan would have worked had cyber not leaked I was mafia. The fact that you're now reaching for events that happened in other games instead of this game is proof enough that you're messing up

On November 06 2011 14:28 chaoser wrote:


I doubt Palmer will allow me to bring in the PMs from a previous game

On November 06 2011 14:38 chaoser wrote:


lol, once again, bringing up something that happened in the previous game in a situation that was completely different from this game and in a setup that was completely different as well.

I can paraphrase the plan for you if you want though.

You claimed mafia and wanted alliance, we didn't know if you were actually mafia or not. You were being extremely suspicious and we weren't sure if you were townie trying to trick us, mafia trying to actually alliance, or mafia trying to trick us to gain town cred. So I decided to leak to Radfield that you were mafia with our conversation. During the end of our conversation I tried to make you change your kill target to prphlz, the person I told Radfield I was going to protect. This was to make it look like I was actually medic trying to prevent a death and also outting a mafia to Radfield, gaining me town cred. I told him to lynch you but I was hoping he would have dreamflower shoot you. You dying my town hands would have been best for us. If you were methman anything, townie gets killed shooting you. If you were townie, hurrah, we made a townie shoot a townie. If you were mafia, hurrah, we confirmed foolishness was actually a mafia and we would have started negotiations. There was no way your death would have been traced back to us since Radfield would claim his townie circle shot you.

On November 06 2011 14:54 sandroba wrote:
Ok I gather you guys think each other is mafia but I'd like to see a well constructed argument from both of you. It's indeed suspicious that wbg/rad didn't get shot tonight, but honestly they have not been on my radar before the day shift. I want to hear more from hyshes/radfield aswell as rol. Previous game are irrelevant, but of course meta plays a role. The main thing making me lean towards chaoser scum right now is the fact that hyshes is totally gone and that is unexpected considering what chaoser said previously. Also RoL needs to post. I'm not afraid of lynching someone that doesn't give a fuck about this game, and you can bear the blame of the loss if you are town.

On November 06 2011 15:08 sandroba wrote:
I'd lynch kurumi and rol.

On November 03 2011 08:42 hyshes wrote:


Actually the best way of playing this kind of mafia is splitting up your team. If only one of you knows your role, then only one can make mistakes. The only thing you need to do together is analysis of the other teams. To prevent any possible mistakes, must the one who knows the role only paraphrase what his teammate says. Ofcourse by the second night the one who knows should tell the one who don't (a few nights later depending on the size of the game). There is an obvious easy mistake to make here: the role should always be hidden, even it's town.

On November 05 2011 02:23 hyshes wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

+ Show Spoiler +

+ Show Spoiler +

First TEAM VIKING is trying to get all kinds of votes going on different teams. And then, out of

the blue, without metioning team red21 before, they directly go along with GM's post.

+ Show Spoiler +

Also: FoS Nipple, post moar!

On November 04 2011 03:10 chaoser wrote:


First of all, that game was only a mafia win because Aidnai decided to WIFOM himself into voting with someone THAT WASN'T EVEN THERE TO DEFEND HIMSELF.



Secondly how am I trying to shut down discussion? I said the "post your team convo lawl plan" was bullshit and not playing to the spirit of the game and that I wouldn't stand for it. Palmer decided he agreed and added in the new rule, I then said that a mafia mind doesn't generally think up stupid shitty plans. Go read any number of games but especially LoTR's opening days where tons of shitty plans came forward and all of them were by townies. Dumb play/=Mafia. Where in any of the things that I just said does "HE IS SHUTTING DOWN DISCUSSION!" come into play? I'm actually ADDING to discussion by pointing out my opinions.



Thanks for summarizing my stance and posting nothing here. Also, are you trying to say that you know what hyshes' motive are in posting that? I didn't realize you were psychic. How do you know for a fact that hyshe wasn't trying to draw mafia out? How do you know he's NOT bad at making plans? How do you know what he was thinking when he posted that plan? Have you played with him before? Are you talking to him in PMs? Oh right, you're not and you've never played a game with him. What shitty logic.

Go read any number of games but especially LoTR's opening days where tons of shitty plans came forward and all of them were by townies.

On November 04 2011 05:36 chaoser wrote:




Says my team is scummy, doesn't vote for us.

???

On November 04 2011 06:31 chaoser wrote:
Also, I'm not even panicking. Only 2 votes and 24+ hours left in the day? I didn't even know you voted for me so that'd be 1 vote and 24+ hours left in the day when I posted my previous stuff. Defense does not equal panic.

On November 05 2011 00:44 chaoser wrote:


My teammate should be posting our read sometime soon. Like I said before, I'd rather be on as an advisory role.

On November 05 2011 02:49 chaoser wrote:


While I will concede the point that mafia generally don't like to move their vote around multiple times a day, I don't concede the point that they don't do it. I've played in multiple games where mafia, especially newer players, have done that on the misconception that they will "blend in" with the rest of the players if they're part of a majority vote. The logic of using "I was wrong in the lynch but so was everyone else that voted for them" as an argument when a player flips town is something that DOES happen.

But that's not the main point of the prp/forumite suspicions.



They went after exclusively lurker teams or "easy targets" as I like to call them. They also showed a disregard to what their actual suspicions were, being very cavalier with their vote as well as their own reasoning/cases. Multiple times they posted a case and then were completely fine when their teammate wrote a case about someone else and then voted for that someone else without question. Finally, they decided to rest their vote on a team that they themselves didn't even push for (red21), citing GM's argument as "good" as the only reason for voting for them. It's the "I don't give a damn who gets lynched" attitude that's suspicious to me.

On November 05 2011 02:58 chaoser wrote:


To expand on this point, in a small game like this, especially since it's so active, I very much doubt that mafia will be lurking or even inactive. Those are tactics that mafia teams of 6 use for late game survival when it's Day 8 and there's a sea of lurking/inactive players for town to work through. So for forumite and prp go for those easy lynches of lurkers (their cases against SS and Nipple mainly talk about how they're not contributing much and thus they're scum) and don't actually write any real cases against active people. Notice how prp immediately stopped going after my team.

And when they finally do vote for an active team, they says "we're going to sleep/can't post anymore today, we vote for them cause we agree with GM" which not only is an example of them trying to sheep a vote but it's also an example of them having to no longer defend their vote since they're off "sleeping"/"Not being here"

On November 07 2011 02:14 sandroba wrote:
Also the fact that I'm still not certain who is scum points toward scum doing a good job. Team chezinu (for being skilled) and team switzerland (for being really inactive) would certainly be a mafia team that fit this scenario. It's also weird that suddenly RoL pops in to call the "rad'wbg still alive" crap, while otherwise saying nothing. He is clearly reading the thread as he shows up when called out, but apparently doesn't have time to say anything about anything else.

On November 06 2011 21:13 Radfield wrote:
If you think me and bugs are scum, do the work and build a case against us.

On November 06 2011 21:13 Radfield wrote:

Since Switzerland is dead, and Nipple is useless, does that mean you are willing to lynch Edward today?

Supersoft and Greymist, you guys need to ramp it up.

On November 06 2011 22:23 deconduo wrote:
I said to myself before the day flip that if Chezinu or Liquid weren't killed, then there's a massive chance Chezinu is mafia.

On November 07 2011 01:07 redFF wrote:

what do you think of liquid?

On November 07 2011 02:02 sandroba wrote:
@radfield After a parity cop claim there was no reason not to hit you guys. As decon said both our team and igrok's could be much more easily pushed as a lynch today then yours. It IS suspicious that you are alive, since for me you were the logical hit were you town (based on reputation and the amount of effort wbg is putting on this game as you said).
Also, how much are you following this game or talking to wbg? It's really strange that you are both on the same page on chaoser/hyshes, since the case is not that strong imo. Do you agree completely with everything wbg has been saying? He usually plays this agressive and forces the issue, but that's not your style from what I gather.

On January 10 2011 11:52 Ace wrote:
Sometimes it's just better to think of a simple answer. You have no idea what the Mafia know and don't know their motives. Hence it's just a simple decision on who is more believable here.

On November 07 2011 03:12 sandroba wrote:
Yeah, I'm scum because I confused team switzerland for w/e name rol's team has, clearly.

On November 07 2011 03:41 sandroba wrote:
No, I admit I confused the names. I know igrok+bum are dead but I don't give a fuck about their name of choice. The fact that you are using that as evidence and change your vote to whoever is suspicious of you says a lot about your aligment.

On November 07 2011 03:49 sandroba wrote:
Wbg, have you and rad been discussing the game at all? How much?

On November 07 2011 04:16 sandroba wrote:
You on the other hand completely dismissed the case you build on chaoser despite claiming both you and your teamate being on the same page on it. All of that because I pointed to the fact that were you town your team was the most obvious shot. The bullshit about blue snipe makes no sense. Your team had the same chance of being medic/jailer as igrok's team or any other team. It makes no sense that scum would leave you alive to try to push your team today, as you had no previous suspicion on you before. Scum is not willing to fight this uphill battle and expose themselves in the process. This is a fact: If your team is town your team was the best shot by far based on both skill and activity. That's not equal you are scum by itself, since scum not always play optimaily and can sometimes try to be tricky. But it IS a reason to be suspicious. What really points toward you being scum is you dismissing your case and changing your vote because I called one team another name. That says shit about my aligment and is no reason to vote. You are pushing scum agenda since you are voting whoever is suspicious of you, and not looking at the big picture of who is saying things with scum mentality (which is you).

On November 07 2011 04:26 sandroba wrote:
So tell me which evidence you have that I'm not reading the thread, because I am. Also tell which are the things you dissagree with me and how that makes me scum.

On November 06 2011 06:24 sandroba wrote:
Just throwing this out there: I belive mafia is amongst team nipple/edward/switzerland. All the other teams look town to me.

On November 06 2011 21:13 Radfield wrote:
Since Switzerland is dead, and Nipple is useless, does that mean you are willing to lynch Edward today?

Supersoft and Greymist, you guys need to ramp it up.

On November 06 2011 14:54 sandroba wrote:
Ok I gather you guys think each other is mafia but I'd like to see a well constructed argument from both of you. It's indeed suspicious that wbg/rad didn't get shot tonight, but honestly they have not been on my radar before the day shift. I want to hear more from hyshes/radfield aswell as rol.

On November 06 2011 15:03 GMarshal wrote:

Of all the things that make you suspicious of chaoser the fact that hyshes is MIA, which chaoser has no control over, is what makes you suspicious?

Also if you had to lynch someone right now, in the next 15 minutes, who would you lynch?

On November 07 2011 04:26 deconduo wrote:


So you're saying that Sandro killed Team Switzerland, AND THEN FORGOT ABOUT IT? lol.

On November 04 2011 03:27 sandroba wrote:
Now, for what I said I would post about the setup: Kurumi has said it already. My sugestion is that we no lynch today and save a no lynch for later to prolong this game. This setup has a high chance of benefiting town and generating a lot of info the longer it goes. For people saying "if we don't lynch we have no chance of hitting scum". Sure, but whoever you thought is scummy isn't going to dissapear or if he does that's one saved mislynch. We are basically trading 2 nights of possible info for 1 shot in the dark day1. If someone here can say they are confident someone else is scum and prove it to us, I'm all for lynching. But despite having my suspicions I'm not willing to make this trade based on the odds I think I'm getting. I'd rather wait and no lynch today.

On November 07 2011 04:16 sandroba wrote:
You on the other hand completely dismissed the case you build on chaoser despite claiming both you and your teamate being on the same page on it. All of that because I pointed to the fact that were you town your team was the most obvious shot. The bullshit about blue snipe makes no sense. Your team had the same chance of being medic/jailer as igrok's team or any other team. It makes no sense that scum would leave you alive to try to push your team today, as you had no previous suspicion on you before. Scum is not willing to fight this uphill battle and expose themselves in the process. This is a fact: If your team is town your team was the best shot by far based on both skill and activity. That's not equal you are scum by itself, since scum not always play optimaily and can sometimes try to be tricky. But it IS a reason to be suspicious. What really points toward you being scum is you dismissing your case and changing your vote because I called one team another name. That says shit about my aligment and is no reason to vote. You are pushing scum agenda since you are voting whoever is suspicious of you, and not looking at the big picture of who is saying things with scum mentality (which is you).

On November 07 2011 11:42 kitaman27 wrote:
Crofty is doing a great a RoL impersonation.

Kurumi is completely absent.

Radfield is sick.

GM is too busy with his pony cult.

Sandroba isn't trying.

chaoser is only around to defend himself.

RoL promises will post 2 hours before the deadline on DAY TWO.

Looking good.

On November 07 2011 12:53 GreYMisT wrote:
you forgot to do one for youself WBG.

I for one find it odd that after a 2 page dialogue between yourslef and chasor, plus a massive post detailing his teams scumminess, that you would vote team SS on what was initially very little analysis.

On November 07 2011 13:10 GreYMisT wrote:


I think I only have played with him in LoTR and in pypi. Maybe werewolves but i dont remember if he was in that one or not. But because he was blue i think in lotr and operated mostly in PMs in pypi, i dont really have any reads on the way he normally plays.

Taking meta out of the question because of those reasons, I think my feelings that me and super outlined on day1 are still valid. I am up for a Team SS or a nipple lynch.

I might have missed it in your many recent posts, but do you have any thoughts regarding team nipple? Not taking into account the fact that they have been absent, their posting when they are here is very shady.

On November 07 2011 14:25 sandroba wrote:
wbg if somehow you are town this game you are a retard. A suiting nickname following your own line of thought would be wheredidmybrainsgo. You are sprouting nonsense and most of the stuff you said about me regarding both previous games and the current one are flat out lies, but it really seems that you actually believe them. My meta is actually quite easy to determine, when I'm scum I try to look town and when I'm town I don't care about how suspicious I am when I'm stiring things up.
I'm hoping radfield could post more tomorrow and tell me what he thinks so I can actually get a more acurate read without having to sort through all your nonsense.

On November 07 2011 14:50 sandroba wrote:
First I didn't parrot w/e kurumi said, he beat me to it and I explained how in my opinion a double no lynch was statistically beneficial to the town. That thought was reinforced after kita claimed p-cop, making no lynch an even better option. Second in pyp mig never posted any plan and my plan was not a parrot of what rad was saying, I even had to convince him that not denying those roles was a better move (and would have pretty much proposed the same thing as town / was a mistake doing it as mafia). PYP I posted an extremlly pro town plan that really did go a long way making people believe I was town. This game I posted some controversial shit that could be argued both ways and would certainly not give me any townie points.
You also acuse me of pushing easy lynches when I'm saying you are scum now and previously said I didn't want to lynch anyone day1. Huh?

On October 12 2011 23:44 sandroba wrote:

Okay time for Sandroba's Plan (TM).

I've thought long and hard about this game and the ultimate goal for town is to focus on surviving and let the bad guys hopefully and inevitably kill each other. This game will tend to balance itself since the currently winning team will always be focused by all others. Town has a HUGE advantage over all other teams by outnumbering and "outroling" them. Mafia info advantage is extremelly nerfed since they only know their own teamates. So how to exploit this?
We focus on picking information/protection/survival roles. We are surely going to need a little bit of kp too, but that is secondary. By limiting where on the player pick order kp can be chosen we buff 4 (capitalist/rolecop/bulletbill/tracker) info roles, basically making them aligment checks or close to it. We can hold people that chose kp accountable by knowing where they are. We shall not try to deny any roles to mafia and let them fight for them and get insta-nailed when caught having one of those roles. My list would be the following, really simple (of course inventor is considered prot/info):

On October 14 2011 17:26 Mig wrote:

2) Turtle hardcore. Just like in SC2 or any other last man standing FFA game the correct strategy for us is to turtle and hope our enemies kill each other. Which means a few things A) Green checks are more valuable than red ones early in the game. DTs I don't believe should be checking suspicious people early on. DTs should check people they think are likely town, not likely to be framed/gf and could possibly be protective roles. Then try to organize these protections to protect each other and insure mafia are not. Obviously there is always a risk of your check not being true so use your own discretion before claiming but forming small circles of mostly confirmed townies and trying to survive until the end game is how we will win. Remember we cannot win, even if we lynch correctly everyday, if the mafia do not shoot each other and we get some protections. Our goal should be to keep each other alive and let the mafias do much of our work for us. B) No DT should ever claim, unless we are very far into the game, to get a red lynched. And in fact make sure not to push in a way that could even make people suspect you as a dt. Almost half the people in the game are red, a 1-1 trade dt for red is horrible for us so use caution.

This game I posted some controversial shit that could be argued both ways and would certainly not give me any townie points.
You also acuse me of pushing easy lynches when I'm saying you are scum now and previously said I didn't want to lynch anyone day1. Huh?

On November 08 2011 04:31 deconduo wrote:
The fact that we are getting lynched when the entire case against us is 'Sandroba made a typo' speaks volumes as to how easy it is for mafia this game. You guys are too lazy to give a shit it seems.

TEAM CHEZINU - Scum
TEAM NIPPLE - Afk and don't care about the game
TEAM LIQUID - (Crofty & Gmarshal) - Probably scum
TEAM S&G CONSULTING - (supersoft & GreYMisT) - Afk and don't care about the game
TEAM EDWARD - (chaoser & hyshes) - No idea why they are voting for us instead of Chezinu
TEAM RED21 - (redFF & kitaman27) - Haven't done anything since claiming cop

On November 08 2011 04:31 deconduo wrote:
You guys are too lazy to give a shit it seems.

On November 08 2011 05:08 deconduo wrote:


If I didn't care I would just hammer myself now and town would totally deserve it. At least I'm making an effort.

On November 08 2011 05:08 sandroba wrote:
K I'm back. To be honest I'm not sure on who is scum right now. I really think one of either team chezinu and team edward pretty much has to be scum. The second one I belive is team nipple in both cases so I guess it's best if we lynch them first. Kurumi is not trolling at all this game and that is something he normally does as mafia.
Don't lynch my team, we are not scum.

##Unvote
##Vote: Team nipple

On November 08 2011 05:08 sandroba wrote:
Kurumi is not trolling at all this game and that is something he normally does as mafia.
Don't lynch my team, we are not scum.

##Unvote
##Vote: Team nipple

On November 08 2011 05:20 kitaman27 wrote:
Is there anything besides the lack of trolling that makes you think he is mafia? He brought up the nolynch plan, which you later supported as being pro-town. Is there a reason you're advocating a lynch now, rather than a no lynch? If you are clueless who is scum, how is it any different from the day one situation?

deconduo, could you please respond how team chezinu was tied to team viking's flip? Thanks!

On November 08 2011 05:21 deconduo wrote:


We're the only fucking team that have done any scumhunting. What have you done? Nothing. Just herped and derped and listened to the loudest voice aka WBG.

On November 08 2011 05:25 kitaman27 wrote:

Sounds like red is really convinced about you bugs and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Would team SS and supersoft be willing to switch over to chezinu?

On November 08 2011 05:28 deconduo wrote:


I don't 100% remember my logic, but it summed up as follows:

We are town and votes were neck and neck, no scum in their right mind would be voting for their own team if they could have lynched us instead. That left the people voting for us as possible scum. red21 was pretty much clear, and I was fairly sure super was town as well. That left Chezinu.

This was irrelevant however has viking flipped town which meant mafia were voting between 2 townies and could have done whatever the fuck they wanted.

On November 08 2011 05:30 sandroba wrote:
wbg my god man you nitpick at phrasing errors when you KNOW they are just that: errors. Everyone and their mother knows that kurumi only trolls hard when he is town. I'm saying he is mafia due to LACK of trolling.

On November 08 2011 05:34 sandroba wrote:
Yo wbg stop calling people names man. I know I called you a retard previously and for that I apologize, but I wanted to see how well you take it. You are certainly going overboard and some people may not enjoy it.

On November 08 2011 05:35 sandroba wrote:
He didn't troll that game kita and he pretty much lurked hard just like this game. I played in that game.

On July 07 2011 01:55 Kurumi wrote:

0:23

On July 07 2011 03:21 Kurumi wrote:
Hey guys, I thought Operation Watchtower is the worst fucking thing You could imagine?

On July 08 2011 03:55 Kurumi wrote:
Przepraszam panowie, ale muszę, zawsze to lepsze niż uciszenie! W każdym razie, jest mi smutno, że Watchtower nie przeszedł - spodziewam się kolejnego piekła jutro. W sprawie Zombie powinniśmy być sceptyczni do momentu jakiejkolwiek ich aktywności - o ile nie pierdzą nam w kiblu i to jest ich plan wybicia nas (wiecie, gazy zmarłych ludzi śmierdzą potrójnie)
Spodziewam się, że po tej nocy będę mógł pisać normalnie - sądzę, że ktoś posiada rolę zmuszającą do pisania po polsku, fajnie, że wypadło na mnie - w końcu jestem Polakiem! A, pewnie ten ktoś nie był aktywny gdy nastała noc, informację o potrzebie pisania po polsku dostałem jakiś czas temu. Będę mógł przetłumaczyć wszystkie posty po nocy, obiecuję!

On July 07 2011 04:23 Kurumi wrote:
I am going to play some Stalker now, maybe it will provide me with necessary experience how to survive nuclear cataclysm -_-

On July 10 2011 21:22 Kurumi wrote:

I will never fuck America's President leg T_T

On November 08 2011 05:44 kitaman27 wrote:
If SS is scum, who de we speculate as being the second scum team?

On November 08 2011 05:52 deconduo wrote:


WTF do you want me to do. There is literally no case against us. The only reason we are getting lynched is because WBG whined louder than everyone else, and sheep sheeped him. I've put in the effort but its like shouting into space. No one is listening.

When we flip, you will see his excuse. 'Oh they were really scummy, I swear. Sandroba made a TYPO! Pure scumtell there, its 100% their own fault for getting lynched. They so bad.' Then tomorrow you will sheep WBG again and the game will end.

On November 08 2011 05:57 deconduo wrote:


More insults, thanks for that. Especially after the mod warning.

On November 08 2011 06:05 chaoser wrote:




Day ends in an hour

On November 08 2011 07:47 redFF wrote:

continue to be wishy washy and not take a stance on jack shit.
scum caught

On November 08 2011 08:09 chaoser wrote:


I mislead the viking lynch day one, yes. But you mislead the SS lynch day two. It came at a time where people weren't showing your charge against me with much support. So you went after SS, which I bought into. But now I'm 100% sure you're mafia so we'll have that to go on tomorrow =]

On November 08 2011 08:19 chaoser wrote:
I guess it's time for round 2

WBG v Chaoser =]

DING DING DING!!!

We shall see who gets lynched tomorrow

On November 09 2011 05:17 redFF wrote:
did you really need a long post about why they wouldnt nokill? all i know is its possible lol. That's all that needs to be said.