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On November 02 2011 08:08 GMarshal wrote: then the "good" players would be mobbed and all the players with less reputation would feel bad. This method is best. Fun fact, my first mafia game was a team melee hosted by RoL I ended up partnered with theMango and rolling scum. We won day 3 against a claimed cop ^_^ Dibs on Gmarshal then | ||
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I'd say its at least 20% funner | ||
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If I'm scum you're getting bused day1 | ||
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On November 02 2011 12:39 wherebugsgo wrote: you mean if we're scum together rofl if we end up being partners hahahaha My god the WIFOM if this discussion were going on during the game | ||
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I agree, team derp it is | ||
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One thing that will be interesting this game will be analyzing the behavior of teams. do we judge the 2 players as a unit, looking for scum behavior in both? Or is one player acting scummy enough to vote. | ||
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On November 03 2011 09:04 hyshes wrote: This actually does not hinder town in any way. Since only the not-knowing person is actually posting and the other one paraphrasing, town does not lose a townie. You still have to do analysis with your teammate about all the other teams (without talking about own team), so you got all the pieces. If townie: your team actually plays as regular townie, so no harm If blue: your team plays as regular townie, so no extra eyes on you If scum: you play as town the first 2 days, you lose a lot of suspicion because of this. At the beginning of the game town is at a disadvantage because we have less information than the scum have initially. Therefore it is in our best interest to play in a way that brings clarity rather than deceit. Think about this, if you do not know the role of your team, you basically have 2 choices. There is a higher probability you are a member of the town, so you can simply play like a VT until you learn otherwise, or you can lurk and play like a 3rd party. with this in mind, Lets look again how people would behave if they took your advice. VT team: Probally no difference in behavior Blue team: one person might be slightly lurkish, other guy like a VT. Nothing really to gain from this except maybe mafia will find the blue easeir Mafia team: they arnt going to follow your plan anyway, as the other mafia team member will just contact his teammate and let him know he is mafia with him So congrats, by following your plan we have created a world in which mafia gain an advantage. Yay! Oh wait.... | ||
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On November 03 2011 09:19 kitaman27 wrote: Also, we've all read our role pms. New discussion topic please. Do you have any thoughts? | ||
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On November 03 2011 10:13 Katzeleute wrote: so I'm late to this party (and I didn't bring snacks), but I just want to say I think Hyshes is pretty lucky that discussion turned from his OP to how silly the execution of his tactic sounds. I don't see why someone who's trying to give an impression of modest townishness would even bring up such a ~secretive concept in the first place, whether or not it actually works. While it was a twuely fascinating discussion I'd rather see more defense of character. other than that I want to say that Crofty is a suave, smoothtalking mf lol. It is best to arrive fashionably late after all. What are your thoughts on the setup? in particular the way the team dynamic works with the low team number? | ||
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Dispite my earlier reservations towards Hyshes, i doubt a newer player as scum would come right out of the gate and try to post a "mafia plan." especially with chaoser on his team. I for one would like to see some more out of iGrok, if I am caught up properly the only thing he said was that he always lurks day1 and will post more later. | ||
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How in the hell is he getting away with that? | ||
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On November 04 2011 07:33 iGrok wrote: I'm not. Katz will. Why am I not? Because I had 2 exams today that I was studying for all of yesterday, which I knew about going in, which is why I said I'd lurk the first half of D1. I planned on being active today, but that went to shit when I locked myself out of my room after my shower and had to search the dorm, borrow phones and call the administration, and wait in the main hall wearing nothing but a towel so that I could get inside and get my paper turned in by the deadline before racing off to probably fail my exams because I was stressed the fuck out. Then I had to bike back to the dorm during a thunderstorm to get here now. I know I sound pissy, but like I said, I'm really tense and this day has been hell so far. I've read through the thread now, and there are several POIs I'm looking at. Lay off chaoser/hyshes for being defensive, even if they are scum, defending yourself is not a scumslip and people who look for that piss me off. All things as they are, ##Vote Team SS. I'm not happy with Severyn's complete lack of content combined with sandroba's actions and reactions. Likely story Balrog. Good to have you back though, Do you have some examples you can provide us with about the reasons why we should vote SS? | ||
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Team S&G consulting agrees ##Vote: Team SS | ||
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On November 04 2011 08:23 hyshes wrote: L-2 = 2 votes needed for lynch? this is not in LSB's Newbie Guide.. Yea, It means we only need 2 more votes to lynch them. Although I dont think mafia would make a hammer so early in a game, it could still conceptually happen, so we have to be careful. | ||
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I no longer fell this to be the best lynch. After I get home me and super will evaluate your post GMarsh. | ||
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On November 05 2011 01:31 kitaman27 wrote: You're suspicious of prp's team, supersoft and myself? The three people I'm willing to trust. Either your reads are really off or you're intentially trying to break up any measure of trust that has been established on day one. Kita, who is your lynch alternative for today? you have posted a list of people you think might be scum. Who among those is the scummiest in your eyes, and why? | ||
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On November 05 2011 07:00 kitaman27 wrote: Are we sure it just hit 5? ##Unvote Team SS ##Vote Team viking We did now | ||
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On November 07 2011 07:00 supersoft wrote: ah well. I love to commentate on everyone in such a little game. 1. TEAM SS - (sandroba & I read the current discussion and sandroba doesn't look too bad in the dialogue with wbg. Mainly because wbg mixes in some things that really aren't reasons to vote anyone. Seriously bugs, this team switzerland thing. It was a typo. I won't vote any team for confusing the teamnames. However team SS is #2 at my scumlist. They look really bad if you see the whole picture. I mean it's 5v2 now. I know I am town, red21 is blue, wbg is very likely town and i have a strong townfeeling towards chaoser. By the process of elimination and the day1 passive behavior of sandro, i think team SS is scum. 2. TEAM CHEZINU - (Radfield & wherebugsgo) as I said before. It's not useful to accuse people simply because they are "still" alive at day2. probably green 3. TEAM NIPPLE - (Kurumi & RebirthOfLeGenD) oh well. Kurumis filter looks quite bad. I reread the post where he proposed the nolynchplan and was curious what he did in addition to that. Besides like 3 apologyposts for inactivity, he says he's "rereading" the thread and "taking notes" and he came to the conclusion that team Viking is the best lynch. lol. #1 scum. 4. TEAM LIQUID - (Crofty & Gmarshal) Crofty is unseen ever since. GM is busy now. He pushed 2 cases so far, both on townies. Grey thinks i am too focussed on him but if Sandro is scum and Kuru isn't i am going to push his lynch for sure. I mean if team SS is scum, GM peeled the public attention away from them perfectly by posting his red21 case. 5. TEAM S&G CONSULTING - (supersoft & GreYMisT) ... 6. TEAM EDWARD - (chaoser & hyshes) difficult. I don't think they are scum. I hope chaoser comes back in here fast and continues to share his thoughts. I'd like to see some more out of him. 7. TEAM RED21 - (redFF & kitaman27) these guys are blue. I have no doubt about that. I wait for Greys opinion on that and if he agrees i am going to vote Kurumi/RoL Just did a breif re-read and I agree with you supersoft. Its not the fact that they havnt been posting as much (because I myself am guilty of that) but the fact that the posts they make contribute nothing to real scumhunting, or serve to sidetrack disscussion/focus on small details. I think i covered all the basics, but if I missed anything be sure to elaborate on my reasoning. ##Vote Team Nipple | ||
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I for one find it odd that after a 2 page dialogue between yourslef and chasor, plus a massive post detailing his teams scumminess, that you would vote team SS on what was initially very little analysis. | ||
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On November 07 2011 12:58 wherebugsgo wrote: I think they're both good lynches, I just think sandro is better. I don't know how much you've played with sandro, but he's one of those players where, if he starts saying stuff that sounds wrong or is not well reasoned, he's scum. Indeed, his activity this game is atrocious, his logic is terrible, his plan was really bad, he has taken a very passive attitude when it comes to finding scum, and he hasn't been reading the thread to boot. In addition, his team is rather connected to chaoser's, if you haven't noticed. Also it's really odd that he keeps saying "I don't like your case on chaoser's team" without actually detailing what parts of my analysis are bad. He says there's a bunch of stuff that makes chaoser look town but doesn't explain that, and says that a lot of my points don't contribute to chaoser being scummy. Then at the same time, he says he's still suspicious of chaoser+hyshes. He seems to be straddling both sides of the issue without actually taking a stance. A town sandro would take one stance and push it, not flip flop like this. In addition, I know I'm prone to getting heated and very aggressive, so after the dialogue I had with chaoser I think it's best that the two of them (hyshes and chaoser) are left alone for a bit to see how they will act until lynch tomorrow. Not so impressed with hyshes's comeback to the thread. I think I only have played with him in LoTR and in pypi. Maybe werewolves but i dont remember if he was in that one or not. But because he was blue i think in lotr and operated mostly in PMs in pypi, i dont really have any reads on the way he normally plays. Taking meta out of the question because of those reasons, I think my feelings that me and super outlined on day1 are still valid. I am up for a Team SS or a nipple lynch. I might have missed it in your many recent posts, but do you have any thoughts regarding team nipple? Not taking into account the fact that they have been absent, their posting when they are here is very shady. | ||
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As I stated a bit ago, i'm willing to vote for SS or Nipple. Nipple might not be the best idea anymore, so when supersoft arrives, We might switch over to SS. Gm, you said you dont think a good reason to call wbg and radfield scum is that they are still alive. Do you have any thoughts regarding them? | ||
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On November 08 2011 06:25 sandroba wrote: 1. I posted a controvesial plan that could be argued both ways to get reactions from people. The fact that I think no lynch was indeed optimal day 1 doesn't change the fact that people would most certainly have a strong response to this in one way or another. You ask me then who is mafia from those reactions? I ask you the same. The reactions are there for anyone to see and draw conclusions. As for who I think is mafia you already know that. 2. I acused wbg of being mafia after he dropped his case on chaoser and switched his vote to me due to a typo. Previously I said the fact that rad/wbg were not shot was suspcious, but not enough to assure they are mafia. Now I'm not really sure anymore on wbg anymore, because he could very well believe so much he is right and be completely wrong as proven by XLV, which I read to refresh my memory. 3. I layed a trap for kurumi when saying he was not trolling and thus mafia and he responded in a way that makes me feel very confident he is mafia, as pointed out in my post about his behaviour. 4. The other contributing factor that leads me to believe wbg may indeed be town and misguided is the fact that chaoser is looking worse and worse, sheeping wbg who he previously believed was mafia and voting me. I went against his lynch when wbg was pushing it as loudly as he is pushing mine right now. If he was town he would know that I had to be really stupid as mafia to do that in that spot. Chaoser doesn't share this mentality (which a townie would for sure consider), so I believe he is more likely to be mafia than wbg right now. The fact that he dissapeared the moment the focus shifted away from him and now he is back supporting someone he previously called scum to make sure a townie gets lynched is enough to tip the scale heavily towards chaoser being scum as opposed to wbg. So you said you posted a controversial plan to get reactions out of people, but you dont commentate on those reactions? | ||
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How many votes do we have on SS and how much time is left? | ||
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For the reasons I stated earlier on Day 1, and those that others and supersoft had stated: AMERICA ##Vote Team SS | ||
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. This game follows majority lynch rules, if there is no majority on the deadline there will be no lynch. The day will end as soon as a lynch is achieved, so be aware that a day can be hammered early. If you are hammered, please be respectful and don't post anything game-related until the hosts get here to confirm the death. | ||
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On November 08 2011 07:14 sandroba wrote: Yeah especially now that they have taken away our ability to do so. That actually gets you points. | ||
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On November 08 2011 07:31 chaoser wrote: What about you? Any gorgeous clues? What are your mafia reads? They are indeed gorgeous. In all seriousness the more i look into WBG the more torn I get on his play this game. He has certainly been active and agressive, but he does that when he is scum as well as when he is town. All i know is that a town WBG makes damn certain that he has 1 target he is going for and he wants everyone to vote for that one person. In this game he seems to have done that. But if you look deeper he has kinda been pushing a lot of little different things, much like his play in MLP mafia. Those are my WBG thoughts, I'll have to look over the thread yet again to develope them and more. | ||
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Amazing, you have found a way, as parity cop, to obtain my role before the nightpost. seriously though, care to expound upon those 3 words? | ||
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The reason i have not been around was the second the game started school decided it didnt want me playing, so it slammed me with a shitton of work all at once. the only reason i did not replace out was i knew it would be over very soon, and it is now over after my test tomorrow. Those are my reasons you either buy them or not. I assume if you really are the parity cop you are probably going to check me tonight. So i guess we'll see if you change your mind come day-time. and now i have to study for aforementioned test. | ||
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On November 08 2011 05:39 Kurumi wrote: That's the worst argument I've ever heard. First, I am not trolling because I am trying to treat this game seriously, I haven't played in a while. Second, I wasn't trolling in LSB's game - Merc Mini 2. I was town. I died N1. Fucking tripmines. Third, RoL told me he would beat me up if I would troll. Also, both Your cases are fucking bad as hell. "Radfield alive, Radfield scum!" "Kurumi not troll, Kurumi scum!" @Chaoser,If I had to choose right now who dies, I would choose nipple. The Bolded part of the above quote characterizes one of the main reasons that me and super want this team lynched. he defends his lack of trolling by saying he wants to take the game seriously. What does he do? not take the game seriously. | ||
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In what world does that make logical sense? | ||
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I'm headed to school, I'll be back in a few hours. Super soft! Tag out! | ||
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Red21, check me and super, any and all medics protect them. What does this do? Kita/red will now have 3 checks, potentially allowing them to confirm our aliengment. One of GM or Chaoser will probaly be dead, giving us one scum right off the bat. This will secure our next day lynch. The next night Kita will probally die as there is no more medic protection. This gives us one extra day to catch the final scum team. | ||
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On November 09 2011 01:37 chaoser wrote: Why would they have three checks? It's only night 2? And there's only 1 doctor. And I've been protecting since night 1. Yea you are right, only 2 checks, my mistake. I meant to whoever might be the real medic, continue to protect kita. What do you think about the plan overall though? I think it makes the most logical sense at the moment. | ||
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lets outline some scenarios. 1. all three of me,chaoser, and GM survive the night You are going to push for my lynch, chaoser and GM will go at each others throats. Chaos and madness ensues 2. Me alive, one of chaoser and GM dead We probally kill whichever is still alive between the two of them, next night you concievably die, a check on us never happens, town is left with WIFOM. 3. I die, chaoser and GM alive I dont understand a world in which this occurs now, in the above 2 realistic scenarios, wouldnt checking me and supersoft be pretty damn helpful? | ||
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On November 09 2011 02:01 redFF wrote: one of gm/chaoser is confirmed scum. why would he die tonight? because one of gm/chaoser is the medic. GM's main argument is that scum will kill whichever one of them is the true medic tonight so that you guys stop getting off checks. | ||
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WBG and team nipple are tied for my second place. | ||
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On November 09 2011 07:14 wherebugsgo wrote: For once I actually agree with red. GM is forsure scum, the last is either nipple or S&G. Kita we can lynch based on your checks. Lynch GM today and then we lynch whoever you haven't checked tomorrow and the last person alive on the last day. Then we win. Problem here is that tomorrow Kita is probally going to die because we no longer have a medic | ||
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On November 09 2011 07:17 redFF wrote: THANKYOU how hard was that How about yourself? is team S&G still #2 on your list? | ||
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On November 09 2011 07:20 redFF wrote: WBG IF WE LYNCH SCUM TODAY TOMMOROW IS STILL LYLO THERE WONT BE ANOTHER DAY UNLESS SCUM NOKILLS In that case don't you agree that now would be a good time to reveal your checks? With the medic gone the chances of you surviving another night and getting off more are very low, so I don't see the sense in waiting. especially considering you want to take this day for some more analysis. | ||
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On November 09 2011 07:29 wherebugsgo wrote: greymist what do you think about this? Kita are you waiting for GM, or is there something else? I'd perfer them not wait too long, because the more time we have to discuss these checks the better. We are lynching GM today, no question. kita might be happy that he gets to kill the pony cult leader for real this time, but idk. As far as the next lynch goes, it is between you and team nipple. I have been more suspicious of team nipple all game long, and that really hasn't changed. Hopefully Red21 can get us some more info with which to work. | ||
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On November 09 2011 08:26 kitaman27 wrote: Waiting on posts from Radfield, kurumi, RoL and GM. Why wait? Radfield is sick and hasnt been posting too much anyway, GM has no real motivation to post atm because we are all going to kill him anyway, and Kurumi and RoL havnt really been playing. I just dont see the reason why you would delay giving out your checks. | ||
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On November 09 2011 08:32 redFF wrote: honestly since you guys are retards and its likely that me and kita are going to solely win this game with a little help from chaoser i dont see where calling me stupid is going to get you <3 you too Still waiting on those checks | ||
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On November 09 2011 08:40 redFF wrote: hey my town play is well known to be a wild fos frenzy. but hey im also known to catch scum. Honestly wbg i think you need to rethink your style since half the forum thinks your an arrogant douchebag. please just stop with the random fucking insults and play the game. If you can't do that then just go fuck yourself. its called mafia not the be a dick game Lets play find the irony! ive underlined it for you. In all seriousness though kita there is 0 reason we should not know your checks right now. | ||
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On November 09 2011 08:45 kitaman27 wrote: FOS Team SWITZERLAND I to FOS dead players as much as the next guy, but comon. | ||
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Just saying that you were saying stop being a jerk, as you proceeded to tell him to go fuck himself. | ||
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I've been thinking long and hard about reasons for you guys to hold your checks like this, I really have. I have only come up with 2 reasons why this might be the case. 1. You're trolling -Stop. Please. 2.You have no checks to give Here is the more unlikely senario. but its oh so fun. -You saw there wagon and pressure forming day1. you knew you had to be bold. You fake claimed PC. figuring that at least you had a 50% not to get counterclaimed. within that chance, there was either only another PC, a jailkeeper, or a medic. that leaves at least a 2/3 chance the PC will be dissabled due to you claiming, either through kp, or jailkeeper protection. You are not posting your checks now because you have non to give, and you are working frantically to come up with them. Don't quote this and say "lol" dont shrug this off. Post your checks so we can get moving. Because every second you don't you stop looking like town, and more like the kitaman that fakeclaimed watcher in LoTR. | ||
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On November 09 2011 09:10 kitaman27 wrote: -_- If we didn't have a check, we could just make up a check, force a mislynch and win the game. We are withholding information because we want statements from GM, kurumi, RoL, and Radfield first. Knowing the results of our checks may influence who they go after. Thus, we keep them in the dark until they comment. k thx And if they don't shoot you tonight, that allows you to get another check off, making it all the harder for scum. So its concievable that they will just shoot you regardless of anything that actually occurs today. | ||
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On November 09 2011 09:27 redFF wrote: we might even wait until tonight who knows! ... | ||
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On November 09 2011 09:30 wherebugsgo wrote: Can someone explain to me why GM is not dead yet? Because team red21 wants more time to not give us any info. | ||
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On November 09 2011 09:38 GMarshal wrote: Yeah, right, keep twisting things. Lets see how this helps town, shall we? Assume a doctor exists. He does not counterclaim at night, I get shot you have 1 dt check that went off 1 dt = 2 confirmed townies if the medic claims and can prove it through crumbs you either have 3 confirmed townies or 2 confirmed townies and a red check. Next night mafia has to shoot doc + 1 dt check into a pool of 2 player, its gg even if a medic *doesn't* exist as long as the other blue doesn't conterclaim/exist I'm still buying a dt check into a pool of 4 players with my life. 50% chance of hitting scum. Basically as long as the blue waited to counterclaim (which any sensible blue would do) I was buying us *at least* a free dt check, an instant victory if a medic existed and did not counterclaim. The problem is that nothing apparently went according to plan. Instead of talking about what should have been, let's talk about what is happening now. You should understand the depth of a hole you are in. You think WBG is scum. Who is the other? Kita? Me? Kurumi? | ||
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GMarshal is saying he fake claimed medic as town to help the medic, and presented the ultimatum "lynch whichever one of us is alive" You are accusing everyone and withholding info Kurumi and RoL still aren't here Sure WBG is aggressive, but he is the only one at least consistant at this point. | ||
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On November 09 2011 10:22 redFF wrote: greymist stop talking about that and tell me what you think of gm right now No, I will not stop until i get the information you are withholding, or until you can give me a valid reason why you aren't giving them out. None of this "I want to see interactions" crap. You can observe interactions after you have given out the checks just as well as before. You see I learned from LotR. To me you are only confirmed when you are dead. just because you said you were the pairty cop, does not mean you get to play like you control us all. It means you have to make the same analysis that you expect from us. GM has failed to convince me thus far of his innocence. | ||
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On November 09 2011 10:28 GMarshal wrote: Because I would totally do that as scum and then shoot chaoser. Totally. I also enjoy claiming godfather day 1. Anyway, I'm done explaining myself unless people have specific questions, it should be pretty clear how my actions could pretty much only come from a town viewpoint, unless you are accusing me of playing scum as well as I play a banjo with my feet. On November 09 2011 10:21 GreYMisT wrote: GM, I know you have been busy with the whole "trying not to get killed" thing, but what do you think about red21 withholding info? you have yet to mention it at all. Could you answer this please? it got lost in the potatoes post. | ||
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On November 09 2011 10:30 redFF wrote: you don't need to know the content of my checks yet. shut up about it we will reveal it when ready. also if you think we're scum then lol! Once again, I ask you why. | ||
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On November 09 2011 10:32 GMarshal wrote: I think they are plotting something with the info they have. Letting it play out. Its not a bad way to use it, I can't wait to see what trap they spring, because at this point its pretty much the only chance we have to pull out of this mess which I have managed to make Who do you think the second scum is btw? I assume you think the first is WBG. | ||
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On November 09 2011 12:15 redFF wrote: ok here is where we are at. There is one scum between bugs/rad and super/grey. Both have advocated a GM and nipple lynch, which would have lost the game for us. I don't care how certain you are one way or another. Do not vote until we do. For all you guys know, this may be a fake check. We are lynching one of these two tonight. Anyone that tries to continue to push a GM lynch will be considered a hindrance to town discussion. I suggest everyone reread this thread keeping in mind that Team Chez and Team S&G are of opposite alignments and that Team Liquid and Team Nipples are of opposite alignments. We have about 40 hours to decide. Lets keep this civil. Insulting others intelligence isn't going to convince me or red. what lol? (with refrence to bolded) well if WBG is scum, GM might be telling the truth. I'm going to reread the thread as you said. | ||
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On November 09 2011 23:38 kitaman27 wrote: You're presented with a check that indicates that Team Chezinu must be scum in 100% of circumstances based on your own alignment and you want to lynch Team Liquid? I'm operating under the assumption that lynching GM will be easier today as I have not heard your opinion in all of this. | ||
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What throws me off about this is I have considered chezinu town for most of the game, which is why it worried me that red said your info might be false. Again, you might have missed my earlier post, but just because you said you were blue, doesn't mean you get out of the responsibilities of the rest of us. What follows is analysis based on the assumption chezinu is scum. This will mostly be on WBG, because unfortunately rad has been sick. WBG is known for his aggressiveness. However when he was scum in MLP, he showed that he can play aggressive scum as well. What he does in that instance is just shift between targets gradually. You can see that here a bit. Especially the argument with chaoser switching into team SS. That argument is an interesting point now that we know he was arguing with the medic. It is possible the role cop checked chaoser and found him to be doctor. Therefore WBG was trying to get him lynched, or at least set it up so a counterclaim would work better. During most of today he has been agreeing with what I say most of the time, and if he is scum that would be an optimal play. That's all I have for now, when I get done with school maybe something new would have come up. | ||
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On November 09 2011 23:43 kitaman27 wrote: I'd prefer the correct lynch over the easy lynch. You really aren't going to tell any of us what you actually think of this situation, are you? | ||
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On November 10 2011 00:43 Kurumi wrote: Just comparing the effort teams put into the game I think team S&G is scum. So by the same token, You must be scum over GMarshal? I'd like to see a better argument if you please. | ||
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This whole situation sucks, Kitared are not giving their opinions on the situation, and seem content to watch us fight it out ourselves with the knowledge that the checks might not be real. So that leaves me with the thought that the checks are real, and they are just withholding their opinions causing chaos, or they are scum laughing at us. But at this point I'm pretty willing to take that risk as its the only way we can really win this thing. So let's of an experiment shall we? Assuming the checks are real and kitaman is town, i should be able to vote WBG without scum hammering it, because WBG or I must be scum. So in 2 hours I will be voting for Team chezinu, if you know that this will lose us the game because you lied about your checks, now would be the time to let us know. | ||
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##unvote team nipples What we don't need right now is emotions. | ||
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On November 10 2011 06:06 redFF wrote: the lynch is between chezinu and s&g. so now i ask 2 questions Chezinu, why is s&g scum? S&G, why is chezinu scum? I already said earlier why I thought they were scum. On November 09 2011 23:54 GreYMisT wrote: What follows is analysis based on the assumption chezinu is scum. This will mostly be on WBG, because unfortunately rad has been sick. WBG is known for his aggressiveness. However when he was scum in MLP, he showed that he can play aggressive scum as well. What he does in that instance is just shift between targets gradually. You can see that here a bit. Especially the argument with chaoser switching into team SS. That argument is an interesting point now that we know he was arguing with the medic. It is possible the role cop checked chaoser and found him to be doctor. Therefore WBG was trying to get him lynched, or at least set it up so a counterclaim would work better. During most of today he has been agreeing with what I say most of the time, and if he is scum that would be an optimal play. That's all I have for now, when I get done with school maybe something new would have come up. | ||
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On November 10 2011 06:11 redFF wrote: great since everyone is here. gm, chez or s&g? The Vote is going to ultimately come down to you team red21 Barring any sudden changes in opinion this is what we have thus far: me and WBG are going to vote against each other, Kurumi has already said he thinks I'm scum, and GM said that he thinks WBG is scum. Thats 2v2, leaving you as the tiebreaker. | ||
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On November 10 2011 06:12 wherebugsgo wrote: Case in point: as soon as you said your check made one of us scum, super said that GM is not scum. The check says nothing about GM's status as scum or not. He doesn't instantly become town. That connects them together. I also noticed just now that super claimed I said meta is useless (that's not true). I never said meta is useless, I just said people need to learn how to use it. Meta from PM games doesn't carry one to one to regular games and vice versa. You have to be careful how you use it. S&G have been trying to get on the "right side" all of today. Now they're trying to bait a mistake from town. Finally, look at the night kills. It perfectly conforms to a GM+S&G scumteam. I've already explained why, if I were scum, it would make no sense for me to shoot chaoser. I would've either shot GM if he was scum, (who claimed first) or I would've shot the other townie, (which would be S&G I guess according to team S&G) That would allow us to hammer a GM lynch within like 10 seconds. Why does GM have to be on the scumteam? Because he outed the medic. Any scumteam that doesn't have GM on it would need to get a baller night 1 rolecheck. GM and S&G both being scum is the most likely scenario right now. "Pour the wine!" | ||
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On November 10 2011 06:14 GMarshal wrote: I'm going to vote for the opposite of whatever kurumi's team votes, because I know them to be scum. I'm town, there is one scum between chez/S&g last scum has to be nipple. Right, and because he just said he wants to vote us, that leaves us with the above scenario. | ||
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Regardless, you must realize kita that this comes down to your team. All I can really do to sway you at the moment is say that I am town. at the start of the day WBG jumped onto my push for you to reveal your checks, but faded off while I stayed fanatical about it. Kurumi's argument about my increase in activity around LYLO is null, because he has done the same, just with overall less prior activity. When a town WBG exists in a game, he makes damn sure everyone is voting for his "target" of the day, or goes on a flipping rampage to make sure that happens. He has not done that this game, but rather has made sure to appear aggressive, while going after a wide range of targets. No where early on does he really try to push people to join his lynch. Hopefully you come to the right choice, and lynch team chezinu. | ||
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On November 10 2011 06:21 redFF wrote: we know, but there's still the question of tommorow. we're scumhunting. Gm an answer if you please. If kurumi is scum he could just not vote and by your logic we would nolynch and lose. He actually answered this on the previous page | ||
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On November 10 2011 06:22 wherebugsgo wrote: That's real convenient when you SHOT my target of the day, right? There are huge gaping holes in your arguments and you can't even see them because you're blind lying scum. and more WIFOM, damn we are getting tipsey aren't we. Your assault does not phase me, I know I am town and therefore have nothing to prove to you, only to kita/red. | ||
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On November 10 2011 06:25 redFF wrote: ##Vote Team Chezinu olawd does this have clearance from your team? | ||
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On November 10 2011 06:28 wherebugsgo wrote: I cannot believe this. I'm glad you guys think I'm so good, that I would be capable of leading town astray for 3 days straight by myself, with 3 afk scumbuddies. Good god. So i take it you think kurumi is scum then? | ||
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On November 10 2011 06:29 GreYMisT wrote: ##Unvote team chezinu EBWOP forgot to bold | ||
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On November 10 2011 06:30 redFF wrote: from what i know of supersoft he's an idiot so this makes perfect sense. ##Vote Chezinu nipple is tommorow's lynch once we die. are you for real this time? or just testing the waters again? | ||
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Well I'm town so ##Vote Team Chezinu | ||
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On November 10 2011 06:34 Kurumi wrote: hammered? Nailed | ||
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are you going to take everything I say as a scum celebration? | ||
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On November 10 2011 06:40 redFF wrote: well when you post like that... Comon, he said "hammered?" How could I refuse to make a witty pun? | ||
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On November 10 2011 06:46 Curu wrote: Man, I would play HoN again if the new heroes didn't look so damn ridiculously strong. I want my DotA 2 T_T I applied for a key... | ||
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I actually was beginning to doubt GM as scum, because I see no reason why scum would ever do what happened that night, unless it was for pure troll purpose. Kitared, i hope you understand my skeptisism of your claim throughout the entire game. I was running through the scenario in my head that t you/GM were scum near the end, and you withholding your info didnt help me dissuade that I see now why you were holding it back though. | ||
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On November 10 2011 07:32 supersoft wrote: btw.: GG Grey! Was a lot of fun to play with you :D Thanks same here, And because i have to rub it in... GreY 11-07-2011 05:36 PM ET (US) EDIT DELETE What sets me off a bit about WBG is the fact that he seems to be his normal aggressive self, but beneath that he is jumping from person to person a lot. the town WBG that i know makes damn sure everyone votes for who he thinks is scum. This is more like his play in MLP mafia where he jumped around a lot. 35 GreY 11-07-2011 01:31 AM ET (US) I think due to timezones you are going to be more active than i will around lynch time. Know that at the present moment Im fine with nipple or SS, probally more SS atm. Its up to your discretion ultimatly though. Also be wary of WBG, I not sure if i trust him to be town. I dont have much more than a feeling atm, but dont take everything he says at face value. From our QT. Who was right?! ^^ | ||
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On November 10 2011 07:34 wherebugsgo wrote: Right, but one check is all the PC needed in a day 3 situation when there are four other players left. Think about it. If the PC gets one confirmed townie, then the PC just needs to muddy the check and then figure out which one is the last townie. If the PC gets two people as the same parity in the endgame situation, game just proceeds with preceding analysis. The only situation in which the PC has less than a 50% chance to score scum on day 3 is if both the checks died. No matter how we could've played it, town would've had at least a 50% chance to score scum on day 3. All you need is one shred of analysis and a bunch of dumb luck and you win the game right there. EDIT: Plus yeah, one of us getting lynched normally wouldn't end the game but with 3 afk partners=lol But on day3 with 3 town 2 scum you have bassically a 50% chance to hit scum anyway, regardless of the settup | ||
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On November 10 2011 07:46 wherebugsgo wrote: 50/50 is incredibly good chances for town when they've mislynched for two days straight. EDIT: I mean really, put it in perspective. They mislynch twice and then suddenly they're actually FAVORED to kill scum. Without the check it's still 50/50, but that's the cap. With the check it's higher than that because the check inherently gives way more information. thats something you really can't fix though. if we assume a settup with 8 town and 2 scum, the town has a 20% chance to random a scum. As they fail, the scum and town numbers reach an equillibrium, bringing it close to 50%. Town doesnt truely have a favored odds to lynch scum, because if it ever reaches exactly 50% the game is over because scum can control and neutralize the lynch. | ||
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On November 10 2011 09:07 wherebugsgo wrote: It wouldn't have been a policy lynch. Also in the end you guys disregarded your own thoughts prior to the night that team S&G was scummy. When both team S&G and I said the same thing, and I pointed out how I would "never" shoot chaoser in such a situation, you should've realized that the only chance I would've shot chaoser is if we had a proper role check on night 1 on either chaoser or GM that confirmed one/the other as lying. That's a 1/3 chance we role checked one of them, way too low to be dealing with in a LYLO situation. So, since you got opposite parity checks, you should've insta-lynched GM. That didn't happen for whatever reason (I'm still not sure why I got lynched, actually) but whatever. I think the problem arose when most of us listed team nipple and team we are marshal as our 2 scum. being forced to choose between the two really threw us off. | ||
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On November 10 2011 09:09 Ace wrote: This isn't a policy lynch. It is a LYLO and someone has been found to be lying about a Role claim. You can't tell if he is Town or Scum because his alibi is acceptable for both alignments so you can't take it at face value. What you do know is that he claimed a role, and the actual REAL role died. What happened in the other 70 pages that can overturn this scenario? Regardless, its a good thing we didnt kill him, lol | ||
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On November 10 2011 10:59 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: This statement means you completely missed the point of everything Ace said. No i understand, He is saying that a smart town would have killed GMarshal because his plan was chaotic and very indicative of scum play, and we didnt do it because we were dumb. I'm saying its a good thing we were dumb, or we would have lost | ||
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On November 10 2011 11:03 wherebugsgo wrote: This is gold LOL It should go in the postgame analysis eh, play to win. whatever works. | ||
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On November 10 2011 11:05 wherebugsgo wrote: That's not a very good example to set for newbies lol. Next thing you know you'll have 3 new players fake claiming medic before LYLO every game you know what I mean. this situation is comprable to starcraft or any game really. you could say "well i lost because any good player would have expanded to the 12:00, but you expanded to the 6 like a noob" Hope that metaphor makes sense, it does in my head. Do i agree that if this situation was played 100 times, and in each of those 100 times someone fakeclaimed medic right before LYLO, that person probally shoudl be lynched? Yea, that would probally be optimal. However each game is a different situation, thats what makes the game playable. Some situations you can't approach like a computer, because humanity and emotion is invovled. Thats why this situation worked out for us, we took a calculated risk, at least i did, and it payed off. | ||
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On November 10 2011 11:14 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: It's lucky, not good. That's the mistake you are making. It's like saying if Option A is correct 90% of the time, but you guys chose option B, which is only right 10% of the time and somehow B ends up being right it doesn't mean that B is a good decision just because is somehow worked out. That's basically the idea behind LAL and why dumb luck =/= good play. But does good play matter if everytime you have a choice between A and B and B is right, you lose? and then in the post game here we are going "well shucks, I guess i hope next time A is right" | ||
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Am i correct in thinking that you are saying that when GM made that claim and the medic flipped, we should have instant lynched him and lost the game? I understand that scum can claim just as well as town can, thats why I didnt believe kitaman's claim the entire game. I just refuse to believe the "correct" play for town is to lose the game. | ||
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Feels like im playing DotA in here or something | ||
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On November 10 2011 13:20 prplhz wrote: But it's that only when people behave logically? I mean sometimes stuff is logical, but then if like people count on me to act logically you'll be very disappointed and maybe you have to account for that or something? Like if I suck and then you're like "of course he's a genius like everybody else because why wouldn't everybody be a genius" and then I totally fooled you because I suck and stuff like that. Or what ... ? And thus WIFOM was born | ||
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On November 10 2011 13:41 chaoser wrote: SC analogy? You're D- rank and you just won by going deep six off no scouting. Ace is Bisu. what map? | ||
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On November 11 2011 03:59 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Just for the record, this was your thousandth post. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKK Actually, if it was in service to professor badass, I'll accept it as worth it. | ||
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