Team Melee Mini Mafia - Couples Therapy

On November 02 2011 08:08 GMarshal wrote:

then the "good" players would be mobbed and all the players with less reputation would feel bad. This method is best.

Fun fact, my first mafia game was a team melee hosted by RoL I ended up partnered with theMango and rolling scum. We won day 3 against a claimed cop ^_^

On November 02 2011 08:34 GMarshal wrote:

THE FUN HAS BEEN DOUBLED!

On November 02 2011 12:11 wherebugsgo wrote:


If I'm scum you die n1

On November 02 2011 12:39 wherebugsgo wrote:
you mean if we're scum together

rofl if we end up being partners hahahaha

On November 03 2011 05:43 Palmar wrote:


I'm just gonna call you guys team derp.

On November 03 2011 09:04 hyshes wrote:


This actually does not hinder town in any way. Since only the not-knowing person is actually posting and the other one paraphrasing, town does not lose a townie. You still have to do analysis with your teammate about all the other teams (without talking about own team), so you got all the pieces.
If townie: your team actually plays as regular townie, so no harm
If blue: your team plays as regular townie, so no extra eyes on you
If scum: you play as town the first 2 days, you lose a lot of suspicion because of this.

On November 03 2011 09:19 kitaman27 wrote:
Also, we've all read our role pms. New discussion topic please.

On November 03 2011 10:13 Katzeleute wrote:
so I'm late to this party (and I didn't bring snacks), but I just want to say I think Hyshes is pretty lucky that discussion turned from his OP to how silly the execution of his tactic sounds. I don't see why someone who's trying to give an impression of modest townishness would even bring up such a ~secretive concept in the first place, whether or not it actually works. While it was a twuely fascinating discussion I'd rather see more defense of character.

other than that I want to say that Crofty is a suave, smoothtalking mf lol.

On November 04 2011 07:33 iGrok wrote:
I'm not. Katz will.

Why am I not? Because I had 2 exams today that I was studying for all of yesterday, which I knew about going in, which is why I said I'd lurk the first half of D1.

I planned on being active today, but that went to shit when I locked myself out of my room after my shower and had to search the dorm, borrow phones and call the administration, and wait in the main hall wearing nothing but a towel so that I could get inside and get my paper turned in by the deadline before racing off to probably fail my exams because I was stressed the fuck out. Then I had to bike back to the dorm during a thunderstorm to get here now.

I know I sound pissy, but like I said, I'm really tense and this day has been hell so far. I've read through the thread now, and there are several POIs I'm looking at.

Lay off chaoser/hyshes for being defensive, even if they are scum, defending yourself is not a scumslip and people who look for that piss me off.

All things as they are,
##Vote Team SS.

I'm not happy with Severyn's complete lack of content combined with sandroba's actions and reactions.

On November 04 2011 08:23 hyshes wrote:


L-2 = 2 votes needed for lynch? this is not in LSB's Newbie Guide..

On November 05 2011 01:31 kitaman27 wrote:
You're suspicious of prp's team, supersoft and myself? The three people I'm willing to trust. Either your reads are really off or you're intentially trying to break up any measure of trust that has been established on day one.

On November 05 2011 07:00 kitaman27 wrote:
Are we sure it just hit 5?

On November 07 2011 07:00 supersoft wrote:
ah well. I love to commentate on everyone in such a little game.

1. TEAM SS - (sandroba & Sevryn Deconduo)
I read the current discussion and sandroba doesn't look too bad in the dialogue with wbg.
Mainly because wbg mixes in some things that really aren't reasons to vote anyone.
Seriously bugs, this team switzerland thing. It was a typo. I won't vote any team for confusing the teamnames.
However team SS is #2 at my scumlist. They look really bad if you see the whole picture. I mean it's 5v2 now.
I know I am town, red21 is blue, wbg is very likely town and i have a strong townfeeling towards chaoser. By the process of elimination and the day1 passive behavior of sandro, i think team SS is scum.

2. TEAM CHEZINU - (Radfield & wherebugsgo)
as I said before. It's not useful to accuse people simply because they are "still" alive at day2. probably green

3. TEAM NIPPLE - (Kurumi & RebirthOfLeGenD)
oh well. Kurumis filter looks quite bad.
I reread the post where he proposed the nolynchplan and was curious what he did in addition to that. Besides like 3 apologyposts for inactivity, he says he's "rereading" the thread and "taking notes" and he came to the conclusion that team Viking is the best lynch. lol. #1 scum.

4. TEAM LIQUID - (Crofty & Gmarshal)
Crofty is unseen ever since. GM is busy now. He pushed 2 cases so far, both on townies.
Grey thinks i am too focussed on him but if Sandro is scum and Kuru isn't i am going to push his lynch for sure.
I mean if team SS is scum, GM peeled the public attention away from them perfectly by posting his red21 case.

5. TEAM S&G CONSULTING - (supersoft & GreYMisT)
...

6. TEAM EDWARD - (chaoser & hyshes)
difficult. I don't think they are scum. I hope chaoser comes back in here fast and continues to share his thoughts. I'd like to see some more out of him.

7. TEAM RED21 - (redFF & kitaman27)
these guys are blue. I have no doubt about that.


I wait for Greys opinion on that and if he agrees i am going to vote Kurumi/RoL

On November 07 2011 12:58 wherebugsgo wrote:


I think they're both good lynches, I just think sandro is better.

I don't know how much you've played with sandro, but he's one of those players where, if he starts saying stuff that sounds wrong or is not well reasoned, he's scum. Indeed, his activity this game is atrocious, his logic is terrible, his plan was really bad, he has taken a very passive attitude when it comes to finding scum, and he hasn't been reading the thread to boot.

In addition, his team is rather connected to chaoser's, if you haven't noticed.

Also it's really odd that he keeps saying "I don't like your case on chaoser's team" without actually detailing what parts of my analysis are bad. He says there's a bunch of stuff that makes chaoser look town but doesn't explain that, and says that a lot of my points don't contribute to chaoser being scummy.

Then at the same time, he says he's still suspicious of chaoser+hyshes. He seems to be straddling both sides of the issue without actually taking a stance. A town sandro would take one stance and push it, not flip flop like this.

In addition, I know I'm prone to getting heated and very aggressive, so after the dialogue I had with chaoser I think it's best that the two of them (hyshes and chaoser) are left alone for a bit to see how they will act until lynch tomorrow. Not so impressed with hyshes's comeback to the thread.

On November 08 2011 06:25 sandroba wrote:
1. I posted a controvesial plan that could be argued both ways to get reactions from people. The fact that I think no lynch was indeed optimal day 1 doesn't change the fact that people would most certainly have a strong response to this in one way or another. You ask me then who is mafia from those reactions? I ask you the same. The reactions are there for anyone to see and draw conclusions. As for who I think is mafia you already know that.

2. I acused wbg of being mafia after he dropped his case on chaoser and switched his vote to me due to a typo. Previously I said the fact that rad/wbg were not shot was suspcious, but not enough to assure they are mafia. Now I'm not really sure anymore on wbg anymore, because he could very well believe so much he is right and be completely wrong as proven by XLV, which I read to refresh my memory.

3. I layed a trap for kurumi when saying he was not trolling and thus mafia and he responded in a way that makes me feel very confident he is mafia, as pointed out in my post about his behaviour.

4. The other contributing factor that leads me to believe wbg may indeed be town and misguided is the fact that chaoser is looking worse and worse, sheeping wbg who he previously believed was mafia and voting me. I went against his lynch when wbg was pushing it as loudly as he is pushing mine right now. If he was town he would know that I had to be really stupid as mafia to do that in that spot. Chaoser doesn't share this mentality (which a townie would for sure consider), so I believe he is more likely to be mafia than wbg right now. The fact that he dissapeared the moment the focus shifted away from him and now he is back supporting someone he previously called scum to make sure a townie gets lynched is enough to tip the scale heavily towards chaoser being scum as opposed to wbg.

. This game follows majority lynch rules, if there is no majority on the deadline there will be no lynch. The day will end as soon as a lynch is achieved, so be aware that a day can be hammered early. If you are hammered, please be respectful and don't post anything game-related until the hosts get here to confirm the death.

On November 08 2011 07:14 sandroba wrote:
Yeah especially now that they have taken away our ability to do so.

On November 08 2011 07:31 chaoser wrote:


What about you? Any gorgeous clues? What are your mafia reads?

On November 08 2011 07:37 redFF wrote:

k
you're scum

On November 08 2011 05:39 Kurumi wrote:

That's the worst argument I've ever heard.
First, I am not trolling because I am trying to treat this game seriously, I haven't played in a while.
Second, I wasn't trolling in LSB's game - Merc Mini 2. I was town. I died N1. Fucking tripmines.
Third, RoL told me he would beat me up if I would troll.
Also, both Your cases are fucking bad as hell. "Radfield alive, Radfield scum!" "Kurumi not troll, Kurumi scum!"

On November 09 2011 01:37 chaoser wrote:


Why would they have three checks? It's only night 2?

And there's only 1 doctor. And I've been protecting since night 1.

On November 09 2011 02:01 redFF wrote:

one of gm/chaoser is confirmed scum. why would he die tonight?

On November 09 2011 07:14 wherebugsgo wrote:
For once I actually agree with red.

GM is forsure scum, the last is either nipple or S&G.

Kita we can lynch based on your checks. Lynch GM today and then we lynch whoever you haven't checked tomorrow and the last person alive on the last day. Then we win.

On November 09 2011 07:17 redFF wrote:
THANKYOU

how hard was that

On November 09 2011 07:20 redFF wrote:
WBG IF WE LYNCH SCUM TODAY TOMMOROW IS STILL LYLO

THERE WONT BE ANOTHER DAY UNLESS SCUM NOKILLS

On November 09 2011 07:29 wherebugsgo wrote:
greymist what do you think about this?

Kita are you waiting for GM, or is there something else?

On November 09 2011 08:26 kitaman27 wrote:
Waiting on posts from Radfield, kurumi, RoL and GM.

On November 09 2011 08:32 redFF wrote:
honestly since you guys are retards and its likely that me and kita are going to solely win this game with a little help from chaoser i dont see where calling me stupid is going to get you

On November 09 2011 08:40 redFF wrote:
hey my town play is well known to be a wild fos frenzy. but hey im also known to catch scum.

Honestly wbg i think you need to rethink your style since half the forum thinks your an arrogant douchebag. please just stop with the random fucking insults and play the game. If you can't do that then just go fuck yourself.

its called mafia not the be a dick game

On November 09 2011 08:49 redFF wrote:

...not sure where you're going with this

On November 09 2011 09:10 kitaman27 wrote:
-_-

If we didn't have a check, we could just make up a check, force a mislynch and win the game. We are withholding information because we want statements from GM, kurumi, RoL, and Radfield first. Knowing the results of our checks may influence who they go after. Thus, we keep them in the dark until they comment. k thx

On November 09 2011 09:27 redFF wrote:
we might even wait until tonight who knows!

On November 09 2011 09:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
Can someone explain to me why GM is not dead yet?

On November 09 2011 09:38 GMarshal wrote:


Yeah, right, keep twisting things.

Lets see how this helps town, shall we?

Assume a doctor exists. He does not counterclaim at night, I get shot

you have
1 dt check that went off
1 dt
= 2 confirmed townies
if the medic claims and can prove it through crumbs you either have 3 confirmed townies or 2 confirmed townies and a red check.

Next night mafia has to shoot doc + 1 dt check into a pool of 2 player, its gg

even if a medic *doesn't* exist as long as the other blue doesn't conterclaim/exist I'm still buying a dt check into a pool of 4 players with my life. 50% chance of hitting scum.

Basically as long as the blue waited to counterclaim (which any sensible blue would do) I was buying us *at least* a free dt check, an instant victory if a medic existed and did not counterclaim.

On November 09 2011 10:22 redFF wrote:
greymist stop talking about that and tell me what you think of gm right now

On November 09 2011 10:28 GMarshal wrote:

Because I would totally do that as scum and then shoot chaoser.

Totally.

I also enjoy claiming godfather day 1.

Anyway, I'm done explaining myself unless people have specific questions, it should be pretty clear how my actions could pretty much only come from a town viewpoint, unless you are accusing me of playing scum as well as I play a banjo with my feet.

On November 09 2011 10:21 GreYMisT wrote:
GM, I know you have been busy with the whole "trying not to get killed" thing, but what do you think about red21 withholding info? you have yet to mention it at all.

On November 09 2011 10:30 redFF wrote:

you don't need to know the content of my checks yet. shut up about it we will reveal it when ready.

also if you think we're scum then lol!

On November 09 2011 10:32 GMarshal wrote:

I think they are plotting something with the info they have. Letting it play out. Its not a bad way to use it, I can't wait to see what trap they spring, because at this point its pretty much the only chance we have to pull out of this mess which I have managed to make

On November 09 2011 12:15 redFF wrote:
ok here is where we are at. There is one scum between bugs/rad and super/grey. Both have advocated a GM and nipple lynch, which would have lost the game for us. I don't care how certain you are one way or another. Do not vote until we do. For all you guys know, this may be a fake check. We are lynching one of these two tonight. Anyone that tries to continue to push a GM lynch will be considered a hindrance to town discussion. I suggest everyone reread this thread keeping in mind that Team Chez and Team S&G are of opposite alignments and that Team Liquid and Team Nipples are of opposite alignments. We have about 40 hours to decide. Lets keep this civil. Insulting others intelligence isn't going to convince me or red.

On November 09 2011 23:38 kitaman27 wrote:


You're presented with a check that indicates that Team Chezinu must be scum in 100% of circumstances based on your own alignment and you want to lynch Team Liquid?

On November 09 2011 23:43 kitaman27 wrote:


I'd prefer the correct lynch over the easy lynch.

On November 10 2011 00:43 Kurumi wrote:

Just comparing the effort teams put into the game I think team S&G is scum.

On November 10 2011 06:06 redFF wrote:
the lynch is between chezinu and s&g.


so now i ask 2 questions

Chezinu, why is s&g scum?

S&G, why is chezinu scum?

On November 09 2011 23:54 GreYMisT wrote:

What follows is analysis based on the assumption chezinu is scum.
This will mostly be on WBG, because unfortunately rad has been sick.

WBG is known for his aggressiveness. However when he was scum in MLP, he showed that he can play aggressive scum as well. What he does in that instance is just shift between targets gradually. You can see that here a bit. Especially the argument with chaoser switching into team SS.
That argument is an interesting point now that we know he was arguing with the medic. It is possible the role cop checked chaoser and found him to be doctor. Therefore WBG was trying to get him lynched, or at least set it up so a counterclaim would work better.
During most of today he has been agreeing with what I say most of the time, and if he is scum that would be an optimal play.

That's all I have for now, when I get done with school maybe something new would have come up.

On November 10 2011 06:11 redFF wrote:
great since everyone is here. gm, chez or s&g?

On November 10 2011 06:12 wherebugsgo wrote:
Case in point:

as soon as you said your check made one of us scum, super said that GM is not scum. The check says nothing about GM's status as scum or not. He doesn't instantly become town. That connects them together.

I also noticed just now that super claimed I said meta is useless (that's not true). I never said meta is useless, I just said people need to learn how to use it. Meta from PM games doesn't carry one to one to regular games and vice versa. You have to be careful how you use it.

S&G have been trying to get on the "right side" all of today. Now they're trying to bait a mistake from town.

Finally, look at the night kills. It perfectly conforms to a GM+S&G scumteam. I've already explained why, if I were scum, it would make no sense for me to shoot chaoser. I would've either shot GM if he was scum, (who claimed first) or I would've shot the other townie, (which would be S&G I guess according to team S&G) That would allow us to hammer a GM lynch within like 10 seconds.

Why does GM have to be on the scumteam? Because he outed the medic. Any scumteam that doesn't have GM on it would need to get a baller night 1 rolecheck.

GM and S&G both being scum is the most likely scenario right now.

On November 10 2011 06:14 GMarshal wrote:

I'm going to vote for the opposite of whatever kurumi's team votes, because I know them to be scum.

I'm town, there is one scum between chez/S&g last scum has to be nipple.

On November 10 2011 06:15 kitaman27 wrote:


err, that logic doesn't work.

On November 10 2011 06:21 redFF wrote:

we know, but there's still the question of tommorow. we're scumhunting. Gm an answer if you please. If kurumi is scum he could just not vote and by your logic we would nolynch and lose.

On November 10 2011 06:22 wherebugsgo wrote:


That's real convenient when you SHOT my target of the day, right?

There are huge gaping holes in your arguments and you can't even see them because you're blind lying scum.

On November 10 2011 06:25 redFF wrote:
##Vote Team Chezinu

olawd

On November 10 2011 06:28 wherebugsgo wrote:
I cannot believe this.

I'm glad you guys think I'm so good, that I would be capable of leading town astray for 3 days straight by myself, with 3 afk scumbuddies.

Good god.

On November 10 2011 06:30 redFF wrote:
from what i know of supersoft he's an idiot so this makes perfect sense.

##Vote Chezinu

nipple is tommorow's lynch once we die.

On November 10 2011 06:34 Kurumi wrote:
hammered?

On November 10 2011 06:36 redFF wrote:

wait really?

gg then i guess

On November 10 2011 06:40 redFF wrote:
well when you post like that...

On November 10 2011 06:46 Curu wrote:
Man, I would play HoN again if the new heroes didn't look so damn ridiculously strong.

I want my DotA 2 T_T

On November 10 2011 07:32 supersoft wrote:


btw.: GG Grey! Was a lot of fun to play with you :D

GreY
11-07-2011
05:36 PM ET (US)
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What sets me off a bit about WBG is the fact that he seems to be his normal aggressive self, but beneath that he is jumping from person to person a lot. the town WBG that i know makes damn sure everyone votes for who he thinks is scum. This is more like his play in MLP mafia where he jumped around a lot.
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GreY
11-07-2011
01:31 AM ET (US)
I think due to timezones you are going to be more active than i will around lynch time. Know that at the present moment Im fine with nipple or SS, probally more SS atm. Its up to your discretion ultimatly though.

Also be wary of WBG, I not sure if i trust him to be town. I dont have much more than a feeling atm, but dont take everything he says at face value.

On November 10 2011 07:34 wherebugsgo wrote:


Right, but one check is all the PC needed in a day 3 situation when there are four other players left.

Think about it.

If the PC gets one confirmed townie, then the PC just needs to muddy the check and then figure out which one is the last townie.

If the PC gets two people as the same parity in the endgame situation, game just proceeds with preceding analysis.

The only situation in which the PC has less than a 50% chance to score scum on day 3 is if both the checks died.

No matter how we could've played it, town would've had at least a 50% chance to score scum on day 3. All you need is one shred of analysis and a bunch of dumb luck and you win the game right there.

EDIT: Plus yeah, one of us getting lynched normally wouldn't end the game but with 3 afk partners=lol

On November 10 2011 07:46 wherebugsgo wrote:


50/50 is incredibly good chances for town when they've mislynched for two days straight.

EDIT:

I mean really, put it in perspective. They mislynch twice and then suddenly they're actually FAVORED to kill scum.

Without the check it's still 50/50, but that's the cap. With the check it's higher than that because the check inherently gives way more information.

On November 10 2011 09:07 wherebugsgo wrote:


It wouldn't have been a policy lynch.

Also in the end you guys disregarded your own thoughts prior to the night that team S&G was scummy.

When both team S&G and I said the same thing, and I pointed out how I would "never" shoot chaoser in such a situation, you should've realized that the only chance I would've shot chaoser is if we had a proper role check on night 1 on either chaoser or GM that confirmed one/the other as lying.

That's a 1/3 chance we role checked one of them, way too low to be dealing with in a LYLO situation. So, since you got opposite parity checks, you should've insta-lynched GM.

That didn't happen for whatever reason (I'm still not sure why I got lynched, actually) but whatever.

On November 10 2011 09:09 Ace wrote:


This isn't a policy lynch. It is a LYLO and someone has been found to be lying about a Role claim. You can't tell if he is Town or Scum because his alibi is acceptable for both alignments so you can't take it at face value. What you do know is that he claimed a role, and the actual REAL role died.

What happened in the other 70 pages that can overturn this scenario?

On November 10 2011 10:59 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

This statement means you completely missed the point of everything Ace said.

On November 10 2011 11:03 wherebugsgo wrote:


This is gold LOL

It should go in the postgame analysis

On November 10 2011 11:05 wherebugsgo wrote:
That's not a very good example to set for newbies lol.

Next thing you know you'll have 3 new players fake claiming medic before LYLO every game

On November 10 2011 11:14 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

It's lucky, not good. That's the mistake you are making. It's like saying if Option A is correct 90% of the time, but you guys chose option B, which is only right 10% of the time and somehow B ends up being right it doesn't mean that B is a good decision just because is somehow worked out.

That's basically the idea behind LAL and why dumb luck =/= good play.

On November 10 2011 13:20 prplhz wrote:


But it's that only when people behave logically? I mean sometimes stuff is logical, but then if like people count on me to act logically you'll be very disappointed and maybe you have to account for that or something? Like if I suck and then you're like "of course he's a genius like everybody else because why wouldn't everybody be a genius" and then I totally fooled you because I suck and stuff like that. Or what ... ?

On November 10 2011 13:41 chaoser wrote:


SC analogy? You're D- rank and you just won by going deep six off no scouting. Ace is Bisu.

On November 11 2011 03:59 Cyber_Cheese wrote:

Just for the record, this was your thousandth post.