EPTOn November 09 2011 10:09 wherebugsgo wrote:
Stop derping and start reading.
GM insists that if I were scum and he and chaoser were both town then it would've made sense for me to shoot GM or chaoser, except in the case of a role check.
I tell him that's not true since chaoser vowed to insta-vote him today.
Insta-vote from chaoser, a townie, and me being scum=I just tell my scumbuddy to vote with me and I win within five minutes.
Tell me, how does any of what GM is saying make sense?
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On November 09 2011 10:05 redFF wrote:
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as scum the optimal move was to shoot the medic lol
On November 09 2011 09:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
You act as if you have no concept of a scum gamble.
Scum gambles, kills the medic, your scumbuddy busses you, and then town is in a tough spot when the DT dies and they have 0 information to go on the last day. It's basically a coinflip for both the townies in that situation.
Once again, why would I shoot you or chaoser when I could shoot nipple/S&G?
Scum only need one mislynch today. If you and chaoser were both town, I could shoot that other townie and then sheep chaoser to victory. He even repeatedly said that he would insta-vote you.
Your logic is terrible and you know it. You need to die.
On November 09 2011 09:49 GMarshal wrote:
I did not expect the medic to go full retard. Sorry, but any sane medic would have waited till morning, you know so he could get the protect off?
Also parity cop gives you parity! Yes, very good! Which means that once you have a dead check you are as good as a regular cop!
Explain to me how my actions make more sense as scum than as town? You can't because my move makes NO sense as scum. With a solid counterclaim come day I'm dead because I didn't get shot! Why would I ever run that risk, when there is a 2/3 chance of another blue and if I *don't* die theres a pretty large chance I'll get lynched for it.
You are stretching trying to get the mislynch off, because you expected a quick hammer.
On November 09 2011 09:43 wherebugsgo wrote:
Everything after this line:
Matters for shit because
1. Chaoser counterclaimed
and
2. You're still alive.
The rest of your post is basically a jab at chaoser for counterclaiming you because it outed you as scum, and then total ignorance as to how a parity cop would work. A parity cop doesn't give you scum or town unless you get very specific checks off. It just gives you parity, and quite frankly we don't know what kind of information the PC has.
Nice WIFOM, GM, nice WIFOM.
On November 09 2011 09:38 GMarshal wrote:
Yeah, right, keep twisting things.
Lets see how this helps town, shall we?
Assume a doctor exists. He does not counterclaim at night, I get shot
you have
1 dt check that went off
1 dt
= 2 confirmed townies
if the medic claims and can prove it through crumbs you either have 3 confirmed townies or 2 confirmed townies and a red check.
Next night mafia has to shoot doc + 1 dt check into a pool of 2 player, its gg
even if a medic *doesn't* exist as long as the other blue doesn't conterclaim/exist I'm still buying a dt check into a pool of 4 players with my life. 50% chance of hitting scum.
Basically as long as the blue waited to counterclaim (which any sensible blue would do) I was buying us *at least* a free dt check, an instant victory if a medic existed and did not counterclaim.
On November 09 2011 09:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
Didn't take a clairvoyant to see this load of shit coming.
Tell me, if you're town fake claiming, why did scum shoot chaoser and not you? You claimed first, if you're both town then you are the one who should've died.
Then tell us in what situation a town fake claim helps town? One mislynch and the game is over. Your fakeclaim has created so much WIFOM it's still unknown who the last scumteam is. In other words, it's an excellent gamble to out the medic (if there is one) and ensure the PC dies before the last crucial day when your scumbuddy can simply ride the bus to victory.
On November 09 2011 09:31 GMarshal wrote:
Well it should be obvious I fakeclaimed as town to try to save the medic.
IN no scenario does it make sense for me to claim medic, at night, as scum, because in the best case scenario something like this happens. However as town it means I get to
1.) Save the real medic if he exists
2.) Give the DT a check, either by having him check me and dying or by letting him live and check someone else.
In the scenario in which no other blue exist, I gave the dt basically a free check into a pool of 3 players. In a scenario in which a medic exists, the game becomes unwinnable for mafia, unless the medic counterclaims at night. Which chaoser did.
If you examine the motivation behind the claim, there is no logic to it as scum, none. There is no reason I would risk a counterclaim like that or you know, a blue dying at night or CALLING FOR THE DT TO CHECK ME, if I were scum and not in a mental asylum.
Well it should be obvious I fakeclaimed as town to try to save the medic.
IN no scenario does it make sense for me to claim medic, at night, as scum, because in the best case scenario something like this happens. However as town it means I get to
1.) Save the real medic if he exists
2.) Give the DT a check, either by having him check me and dying or by letting him live and check someone else.
In the scenario in which no other blue exist, I gave the dt basically a free check into a pool of 3 players. In a scenario in which a medic exists, the game becomes unwinnable for mafia, unless the medic counterclaims at night. Which chaoser did.
If you examine the motivation behind the claim, there is no logic to it as scum, none. There is no reason I would risk a counterclaim like that or you know, a blue dying at night or CALLING FOR THE DT TO CHECK ME, if I were scum and not in a mental asylum.
Didn't take a clairvoyant to see this load of shit coming.
Tell me, if you're town fake claiming, why did scum shoot chaoser and not you? You claimed first, if you're both town then you are the one who should've died.
Then tell us in what situation a town fake claim helps town? One mislynch and the game is over. Your fakeclaim has created so much WIFOM it's still unknown who the last scumteam is. In other words, it's an excellent gamble to out the medic (if there is one) and ensure the PC dies before the last crucial day when your scumbuddy can simply ride the bus to victory.
Yeah, right, keep twisting things.
Lets see how this helps town, shall we?
Assume a doctor exists. He does not counterclaim at night, I get shot
you have
1 dt check that went off
1 dt
= 2 confirmed townies
if the medic claims and can prove it through crumbs you either have 3 confirmed townies or 2 confirmed townies and a red check.
Next night mafia has to shoot doc + 1 dt check into a pool of 2 player, its gg
even if a medic *doesn't* exist as long as the other blue doesn't conterclaim/exist I'm still buying a dt check into a pool of 4 players with my life. 50% chance of hitting scum.
Basically as long as the blue waited to counterclaim (which any sensible blue would do) I was buying us *at least* a free dt check, an instant victory if a medic existed and did not counterclaim.
Everything after this line:
Assume a doctor exists. He does not counterclaim at night, I get shot
Matters for shit because
1. Chaoser counterclaimed
and
2. You're still alive.
The rest of your post is basically a jab at chaoser for counterclaiming you because it outed you as scum, and then total ignorance as to how a parity cop would work. A parity cop doesn't give you scum or town unless you get very specific checks off. It just gives you parity, and quite frankly we don't know what kind of information the PC has.
Nice WIFOM, GM, nice WIFOM.
I did not expect the medic to go full retard. Sorry, but any sane medic would have waited till morning, you know so he could get the protect off?
Also parity cop gives you parity! Yes, very good! Which means that once you have a dead check you are as good as a regular cop!
Explain to me how my actions make more sense as scum than as town? You can't because my move makes NO sense as scum. With a solid counterclaim come day I'm dead because I didn't get shot! Why would I ever run that risk, when there is a 2/3 chance of another blue and if I *don't* die theres a pretty large chance I'll get lynched for it.
You are stretching trying to get the mislynch off, because you expected a quick hammer.
You act as if you have no concept of a scum gamble.
Scum gambles, kills the medic, your scumbuddy busses you, and then town is in a tough spot when the DT dies and they have 0 information to go on the last day. It's basically a coinflip for both the townies in that situation.
On November 09 2011 09:54 GMarshal wrote:
you had to shoot him or me.
If you shot me and I flipped green then gg, you lose, because chaoser would be confirmed, and kita would have gotten off a check, and you had no way of preventing a check the following night. So you either made the correct guess or more likely your rolecop had checked one of me or chaoser, and you seized the chance.
On November 09 2011 09:51 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also if I was scum I wouldn't shoot chaoser. That's incredibly dumb when I wanted to lynch him all game long.
GM you fucking hosted the only game in which I was scum. You remember Nisani? We kept pushing each other all game long and we left him alive, choosing to shoot others instead. Why on earth would I shoot someone I think I can lynch?
If I were scum and you and chaoser were both town I would've shot the third townie (nipple or S&G, whichever one of them is town) and then let the lynch fall between you and chaoser. Chaoser would've pushed you and all I would've needed is my scumbuddy to bandwagon with me, game over. Why as scum would I put myself in this position, where I have to fight with you about all of this WIFOM?
God your argument is terrible.
Also if I was scum I wouldn't shoot chaoser. That's incredibly dumb when I wanted to lynch him all game long.
GM you fucking hosted the only game in which I was scum. You remember Nisani? We kept pushing each other all game long and we left him alive, choosing to shoot others instead. Why on earth would I shoot someone I think I can lynch?
If I were scum and you and chaoser were both town I would've shot the third townie (nipple or S&G, whichever one of them is town) and then let the lynch fall between you and chaoser. Chaoser would've pushed you and all I would've needed is my scumbuddy to bandwagon with me, game over. Why as scum would I put myself in this position, where I have to fight with you about all of this WIFOM?
God your argument is terrible.
you had to shoot him or me.
If you shot me and I flipped green then gg, you lose, because chaoser would be confirmed, and kita would have gotten off a check, and you had no way of preventing a check the following night. So you either made the correct guess or more likely your rolecop had checked one of me or chaoser, and you seized the chance.
Once again, why would I shoot you or chaoser when I could shoot nipple/S&G?
Scum only need one mislynch today. If you and chaoser were both town, I could shoot that other townie and then sheep chaoser to victory. He even repeatedly said that he would insta-vote you.
Your logic is terrible and you know it. You need to die.
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as scum the optimal move was to shoot the medic lol
Stop derping and start reading.
GM insists that if I were scum and he and chaoser were both town then it would've made sense for me to shoot GM or chaoser, except in the case of a role check.
I tell him that's not true since chaoser vowed to insta-vote him today.
Insta-vote from chaoser, a townie, and me being scum=I just tell my scumbuddy to vote with me and I win within five minutes.
Tell me, how does any of what GM is saying make sense?
me and kita could've convinced chaoser not instavote. maybe your scumbuddy isnt around?
i never said that gm is making sense. now your putting words into my mouth.
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