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On November 09 2011 10:32 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 10:29 GreYMisT wrote:On November 09 2011 10:28 GMarshal wrote:On November 09 2011 10:24 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 09 2011 10:19 GreYMisT wrote:
GMarshal is saying he fake claimed medic as town to help the medic, and presented the ultimatum "lynch whichever one of us is alive"
. this times 500 Because I would totally do that as scum and then shoot chaoser. Totally. I also enjoy claiming godfather day 1. Anyway, I'm done explaining myself unless people have specific questions, it should be pretty clear how my actions could pretty much only come from a town viewpoint, unless you are accusing me of playing scum as well as I play a banjo with my feet. On November 09 2011 10:21 GreYMisT wrote:
GM, I know you have been busy with the whole "trying not to get killed" thing, but what do you think about red21 withholding info? you have yet to mention it at all. Could you answer this please? it got lost in the potatoes post. I think they are plotting something with the info they have. Letting it play out. Its not a bad way to use it, I can't wait to see what trap they spring, because at this point its pretty much the only chance we have to pull out of this mess which I have managed to make
Who do you think the second scum is btw? I assume you think the first is WBG.
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On November 09 2011 10:32 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 10:29 GreYMisT wrote:On November 09 2011 10:28 GMarshal wrote:On November 09 2011 10:24 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 09 2011 10:19 GreYMisT wrote:
GMarshal is saying he fake claimed medic as town to help the medic, and presented the ultimatum "lynch whichever one of us is alive"
. this times 500 Because I would totally do that as scum and then shoot chaoser. Totally. I also enjoy claiming godfather day 1. Anyway, I'm done explaining myself unless people have specific questions, it should be pretty clear how my actions could pretty much only come from a town viewpoint, unless you are accusing me of playing scum as well as I play a banjo with my feet. On November 09 2011 10:21 GreYMisT wrote:
GM, I know you have been busy with the whole "trying not to get killed" thing, but what do you think about red21 withholding info? you have yet to mention it at all. Could you answer this please? it got lost in the potatoes post. I think they are plotting something with the info they have. Letting it play out. Its not a bad way to use it, I can't wait to see what trap they spring, because at this point its pretty much the only chance we have to pull out of this mess which I have managed to make
Who's that second scum, GM?
Who is my "scumbuddy"?
lolol
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On November 09 2011 10:34 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 10:32 GMarshal wrote:On November 09 2011 10:29 GreYMisT wrote:On November 09 2011 10:28 GMarshal wrote:On November 09 2011 10:24 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 09 2011 10:19 GreYMisT wrote:
GMarshal is saying he fake claimed medic as town to help the medic, and presented the ultimatum "lynch whichever one of us is alive"
. this times 500 Because I would totally do that as scum and then shoot chaoser. Totally. I also enjoy claiming godfather day 1. Anyway, I'm done explaining myself unless people have specific questions, it should be pretty clear how my actions could pretty much only come from a town viewpoint, unless you are accusing me of playing scum as well as I play a banjo with my feet. On November 09 2011 10:21 GreYMisT wrote:
GM, I know you have been busy with the whole "trying not to get killed" thing, but what do you think about red21 withholding info? you have yet to mention it at all. Could you answer this please? it got lost in the potatoes post. I think they are plotting something with the info they have. Letting it play out. Its not a bad way to use it, I can't wait to see what trap they spring, because at this point its pretty much the only chance we have to pull out of this mess which I have managed to make Who do you think the second scum is btw? I assume you think the first is WBG.
Its a coinflip between you and RoL/Kurmi, thanks to their incredible lurking.
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here were the options for gm scum
Shoot into the townies in wbg/kurumi/super/chaoser (one of them being his scumbuddies)
this would have been bad for a few reasons. First, it limits the number of scummy people at lylo, secondly it leaves the medic(if there is one) and parity cop and gives the parity cop another check(if there is a medic)
try and out the medic/claim medic and not be counterclaimed
if there is a medic, then parity cop had at least 2 more checks and scum was in a spot of bother!
by claiming medic, gm could have
a) outed the medic, letting him shoot a blue, leaving him free to kill the cop tomorrow and hope his buddy wins in 3p lylo
b) not been counterclaimed. If he hadn't been counterclaimed, i bet that GM would have shot me and kita, he then would have made up some shit in the thread about trying to OUTWIFOM scum by protecting a townie. this would have secured an easy win.
had gm not claimed medic as scum, he would have either shot us and missed, or shot a random townie with a small chance of hitting medic/jailkeeper. this would have left both us and the medic alive, given the parity cop a 3rd check. 3 checks in a game this size on a parity cop is really bad for scum.
so yeah i think GM is scum. the optimal move for gm was to shoot chaoser, the optimal move for anyone was to shoot the medic.
that said, why would town gm claim medic. To draw a hit? What reason did gm have to think there wasnt another blue? GM would know that scum would not risk a no kill to kill a parity cop. GM would know that scum knew a parity cop with 2 checks is not that dangerous, not enough to risk a blocked shot.
If gm was town, why would he have argued with the obviously town chaoser instead of just saying he was trying to draw a hit? he would've known it was town vs town and that if he kept this up we would almost certainly lose the game.
tldr gm is scum
dont vote tho please
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On November 09 2011 10:41 redFF wrote:
here were the options for gm scum
Shoot into the townies in wbg/kurumi/super/chaoser (one of them being his scumbuddies)
this would have been bad for a few reasons. First, it limits the number of scummy people at lylo, secondly it leaves the medic(if there is one) and parity cop and gives the parity cop another check(if there is a medic)
try and out the medic/claim medic and not be counterclaimed
if there is a medic, then parity cop had at least 2 more checks and scum was in a spot of bother!
by claiming medic, gm could have
a) outed the medic, letting him shoot a blue, leaving him free to kill the cop tomorrow and hope his buddy wins in 3p lylo
b) not been counterclaimed. If he hadn't been counterclaimed, i bet that GM would have shot me and kita, he then would have made up some shit in the thread about trying to OUTWIFOM scum by protecting a townie. this would have secured an easy win.
had gm not claimed medic as scum, he would have either shot us and missed, or shot a random townie with a small chance of hitting medic/jailkeeper. this would have left both us and the medic alive, given the parity cop a 3rd check. 3 checks in a game this size on a parity cop is really bad for scum.
so yeah i think GM is scum. the optimal move for gm was to shoot chaoser, the optimal move for anyone was to shoot the medic.
that said, why would town gm claim medic. To draw a hit? What reason did gm have to think there wasnt another blue? GM would know that scum would not risk a no kill to kill a parity cop. GM would know that scum knew a parity cop with 2 checks is not that dangerous, not enough to risk a blocked shot.
If gm was town, why would he have argued with the obviously town chaoser instead of just saying he was trying to draw a hit? he would've known it was town vs town and that if he kept this up we would almost certainly lose the game.
tldr gm is scum
dont vote tho please
I've already explained how my actions, if not counterclaimed meant an instant victory for town if a medic existed, and gave at least 50% odds of hitting scum anyway. Cop is the strongest role in small setups, parity cop is just a one day delayed cop, totally worth the life of a townie in exchange for more confirmed town.
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On November 09 2011 10:41 redFF wrote:
tldr gm is scum
dont vote tho please
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GODDAMNIT GM WHY FAKECLAIM AS TOWN THE NIGHT BEFORE LYLO JESUS CHRIST
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On November 09 2011 10:48 redFF wrote:
GODDAMNIT GM WHY FAKECLAIM AS TOWN THE NIGHT BEFORE LYLO JESUS CHRIST
Because I thought it had a decent chance of winning the game for the town.
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On November 09 2011 11:19 redFF wrote:
HOW
HOW
HOW
I already explained this!
Doc exists and doesn't counterclaim till morning, mafia shoots me, they lose, 1/3 possibility of this happening.
Jailkeeper exists and dosn't counterclaim till morning, mafia shoots me. Town is in a decent positon with one dt check (either guaranteed mafia or one free townie), jailkeeper claims, 2 confirmed townies, and either one free scum or a third confirmed townie, gg, town wins.
No other blue exists, I die, flip green, mafia still has to wifom about shooting dt the next night, DT still got a check of in a pool of 4 players, 2 of which are scum, at worst chances of hitting scum are 2/3. if that is the case there will be a confirmed townie going into day 4, making town have a 50% chance of victory with no analysis.
As long as no one counterclaimed me all would be fine, and at worst I made our chances of winning at least 50%, much higher if a second blue did exist.
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lol we're running in circles.
Also Radfield is here! I talked to him a bit on skype and he says he's gonna post something.
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OK, why are we still talking with or about GM.
The reason red and kita are holding back the check is because they probably have a red and a green result on two players alive and want to see how they play it out. Either that or they ACTUALLY have a green check on GM.... -_-
That seems absurdly unlikely though, so lets break it down:
Sure lurky mclurky team Nipple needs to step up their game, but knowing RoL's scum style I'm tempted to believe he is legitimately occupied, rather than deliberately lurking.
Also, I kind of want to kill team nipple so we don't have to deal with them tomorrow, when it might be lylo. I mean I was going to analyze them, but between the both of them they have *maybe* 20 posts, most of which don't accuse anyone or *do* anything. That said, I'm not entirely sure that they are scum, it would be a lot easier to figure out if they posted more!. T.T
I have no fucking idea who to kill right now, as I said I *really* don't want team nipple with me on day 3/lylo, but I'd hate to lynch town again, the thing is, we have no way figuring out their alignment from their actions so far.
These are GM's relevant points concerning team Nipple. All softly attacking or straight up backing off. Continually pointing out they are scummy, but never worth a lynch. Contrast this to his relationship with S&G
I want to hear what other people think of the case, especially supersoft, who I have my eye
Also, has anyone noticed that supersoft and greymist haven't been doing much?
I saw it, what I haven't been seeing you actually pushing your ideas very hard.
Not to mention that GM has been conversing with Supersoft extensively this game, and I doubt it is manufactured. Unlikely in my eyes that GM and S&G are scumbuddies.
Far more likely RoL/Kurumi are the last scum. Has anyone actually re-read Kurumi's filter? I admit that I've done the same thing this game that I did in the first PYPI; skim read Kurumi's posts. The short version looks like this:
* Make an outrageously bad plan
* Call GM a for sure townie
* Call the parity cop claim bullshit, then proceed to talk all about it as if it is true
* Vote Team Viking
* posts like this:+ Show Spoiler +I agree with that post. Everything here seems reasonable.
Anyway, I am quite puzzled right now. I was really thinking that Team Viking was scum
Re-reading thread once again so I might have something good to bring up when the day comes.
Besides that, I am almost sure one of the teams voting on Team Viking was scum.
* Deliberately difficult to read posts
* Votes Team SS
He also defends me and bugs like 5 times, and never mentions GM again. RoL and Kurumi are far far more likely to be the last scum than S&G. Thoughts?
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kitaman27
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Rad, what is your opinion on the GM medic claim? Do you agree that he was trying to trick us into checking him causing a day 3 mislynch?
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On November 09 2011 11:35 kitaman27 wrote:
Rad, what is your opinion on the GM medic claim? Do you agree that he was trying to trick us into checking him causing a day 3 mislynch?
wut
Radfield is no longer replying to me on skype; last thing he said was he's going to sleep. He's still online, though. I'll let him respond to this if he's still here.
I'm peacing now, though. I've been sitting on this thread for over 7 hours and I have a stats midterm in less than 15 hours. I'll pop back in every now and then as I'm studying.
I'll be back for sure after class tomorrow, since I have no school commitments (other than my midterm and classes) until Monday next week.
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Radfield
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On November 09 2011 11:31 redFF wrote:
WHERE YA BEEN RAD
Dead, then alive, then dead again. Working at all times in between.
Thankfully this is a partner game, and I can get away without feeling absurdly guilty 
Now I'm going to bed. On the bright side, I feel like a real person again, so I will actually be around from here on out. On the downside the game is basically over at this point so the likelihood of me garnering an LVP award is fairly high 
On November 09 2011 11:35 kitaman27 wrote:
Rad, what is your opinion on the GM medic claim? Do you agree that he was trying to trick us into checking him causing a day 3 mislynch?
Claiming does 1 of 3 things. Buys unconditional town cred if there is no counter claim. Outs a medic if it exists in a 1 for 1 trade(keeping in mind that a medic + confirmed parity cop is a GG situation for mafia). Worst case is a jailkeeper counterclaims, but this means you claimed first, and simply have to out argue that team at lylo. 2 out of 3 options are good, with one netting you almost an instant win. Even a jailkeeper isn't too bad since if they counter claim before night is up you hit the parity cop(stopping their check) or you hit the jailkeeper and ensure that you keep getting kills.
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rofl you guys are hilarious
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On November 09 2011 12:00 Ace wrote:
rofl you guys are hilarious
what up ace
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ok here is where we are at. There is one scum between bugs/rad and super/grey. Both have advocated a GM and nipple lynch, which would have lost the game for us. I don't care how certain you are one way or another. Do not vote until we do. For all you guys know, this may be a fake check. We are lynching one of these two tonight. Anyone that tries to continue to push a GM lynch will be considered a hindrance to town discussion. I suggest everyone reread this thread keeping in mind that Team Chez and Team S&G are of opposite alignments and that Team Liquid and Team Nipples are of opposite alignments. We have about 40 hours to decide. Lets keep this civil. Insulting others intelligence isn't going to convince me or red.
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On November 09 2011 12:15 redFF wrote:
ok here is where we are at. There is one scum between bugs/rad and super/grey. Both have advocated a GM and nipple lynch, which would have lost the game for us. I don't care how certain you are one way or another. Do not vote until we do. For all you guys know, this may be a fake check. We are lynching one of these two tonight. Anyone that tries to continue to push a GM lynch will be considered a hindrance to town discussion. I suggest everyone reread this thread keeping in mind that Team Chez and Team S&G are of opposite alignments and that Team Liquid and Team Nipples are of opposite alignments. We have about 40 hours to decide. Lets keep this civil. Insulting others intelligence isn't going to convince me or red.
what lol? (with refrence to bolded)
well if WBG is scum, GM might be telling the truth. I'm going to reread the thread as you said.
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