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redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
November 09 2011 21:44 GMT
#1385
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redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
November 09 2011 21:51 GMT
#1393
On November 10 2011 06:46 Curu wrote:
Man, I would play HoN again if the new heroes didn't look so damn ridiculously strong.

I want my DotA 2 T_T

add me on steam TT
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
November 09 2011 21:52 GMT
#1394
On November 10 2011 06:48 Kurumi wrote:
I fold. Who cares about RoL.

yeah wbg lost you guys the game when he said it was impossible he was scum with GM.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
November 09 2011 21:52 GMT
#1395
also supersoft i know you're gonna waltz into the thread and tell us how amazing you are that you found the scum but honestly that was the worst town play i've ever seen and i've seen some pretty bad stuff.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
November 09 2011 21:57 GMT
#1408
On November 10 2011 06:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 06:54 Curu wrote:
Also scum concedes in LYLO wtf?

Why would you do that...


cause Kurumi doesn't like playing to his wincon...

you outed him as scum
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
November 09 2011 21:58 GMT
#1414
I agree that 20f4 is quite possibly slightly town favored but imo its one of the most balanced open setups ever made.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
November 09 2011 22:00 GMT
#1419
you reduced the time me and kita had to scumhunt by 24 hours, and voted a read with no analysis. Not to mention the whole plan banked on a confirmed liar being town. just because it worked out fine doesn't mean it wasn't awful.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
November 09 2011 22:07 GMT
#1426
honestly wbg we weren't even a full cop. the lynch was between you and s&g and you lost.

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redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
November 09 2011 22:13 GMT
#1434
On November 10 2011 07:12 Kurumi wrote:
Well, I think this will be again last game in a while because I am tired of being called useless.

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redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-09 22:20:19
November 09 2011 22:20 GMT
#1446
we didn't flip a fucking coin you were scummier than supersoft.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
November 09 2011 22:47 GMT
#1466
we were never confirmed town btw, it could have been a 1 medic setup.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
November 09 2011 23:19 GMT
#1476
also remember mafiascum town play is bad.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
November 09 2011 23:22 GMT
#1478
On November 10 2011 08:17 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 08:09 Palmar wrote:
btw, just to give insight, what's considered the problem with this setup on mafiascum, is the fact that once only 1 scum is left, he can basically jail the other scum and act as a backup cop, because over there they get told they save a life or something. That's why no one gets notified of anything this game.

Edit: and remember on mafiascum, the cop is normal, so they can easily find a guilty on n1 and n2, thus just ending the game, and even then mafia is winning about half of the time

They actually are not notifed, but that was a potential problem in this game too.

Imagine chaoser as a jailkeeper, and kita surviving to day 3. Jailkeeper claims. We lynch scum of off kitas check

jailkeeper roleblocks one of the remaining players, dt checks the other. if anyone dies the person who was rbed is confirmed town. If no one dies, lynch off of the dt check.

And mafiascum towns suck, terribly. Reading over their games made my eyes almost literally bleed, apparently not answering the question "what is your favorite movie" is grounds for being lynched.

random questions are designed to get discussion going. When games aren't 48/24 its actually fine to do it.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
November 10 2011 00:05 GMT
#1502
On November 10 2011 09:02 Ace wrote:
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On November 10 2011 08:58 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 10 2011 08:23 Ace wrote:
I told WBG I didn't read the game but skimmed the thread and saw when GM said he fake claimed to protect the medic.

There should have been an instant lynch right there with no hesitation. But the Town is ridiculous.


That wasn't the situation. He didn't fake claim to protect the medic. He fake claimed to protect the parity cop.

It was night two after two mislynches and a claimed PC with no knowledge if there is a medic in the setup. Best case scenario, the scum team get spooked and doesn't shoot the PC. Worse case scenario, the scum shoot the PC anyways and you chalk up the GM fake claim to a null tell.


Same basis. Someone lies about a Roleclaim, the real role dies and is revealed - why are you even discussing anything? Lynch.

There is nothing here that separates Town GM from Scum GM. He can play this card from both alignments, hence you can't even take his excuse of doing it to WIFOM the Mafia seriously. The Town would have lost but it was the correct play. Once again, bad Town play leading to a Town win

yeah but it was LYLO and you have to take bad play into account.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
November 10 2011 00:05 GMT
#1504
esp on lylo
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
November 10 2011 00:09 GMT
#1508
you got lynched because supersoft was obviously town after he exploded all over the thread.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
November 10 2011 00:10 GMT
#1510
On November 10 2011 09:09 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 09:05 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 10 2011 09:02 Ace wrote: He can play this card from both alignments, hence you can't even take his excuse of doing it to WIFOM the Mafia seriously. The Town would have lost but it was the correct play.


If it could have come from both alignments, you discard the information and base the lynch on the other 70 pages. Carrying out a policy lynch just for the sake of policy doesn't make sense.




This isn't a policy lynch. It is a LYLO and someone has been found to be lying about a Role claim. You can't tell if he is Town or Scum because his alibi is acceptable for both alignments so you can't take it at face value. What you do know is that he claimed a role, and the actual REAL role died.

What happened in the other 70 pages that can overturn this scenario?

so if you were us you would've lynched gm?
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
November 10 2011 00:51 GMT
#1526
meh i wanted to win and to win you have to take human error into account. Policy lynches are terrible. Yeah we could have policy lynched and taught GM a lesson but we would have lost.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
November 10 2011 00:53 GMT
#1527
On November 10 2011 09:51 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 09:38 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 10 2011 09:14 Ace wrote:
You're in LYLO. Someone claims medic. The real medic dies. He has an alibi that can't help you determine his alignment. Why are you taking anything he says as true at this point for sure?


I disagree. Suppose GM is scum and claims medic. There are two possibilities:
1) There is a real medic, who is not shot night two. We get back our parity result between bugs and super and still lynch bugs. As the real medic is still alive, that allows us to pull of a second parity check, ending the game.
2) There is a real medic, who is shot night two. We get back our parity result between bugs and super and still lynch bugs. The game comes down to a 2v1 and you go from there.


This.

You're claiming the parity check somehow means I become scum. That's not true, the best information you have going into day 3 with any sort of check all leads to a GM lynch.

Every other lynch is non-optimal and if you repeat this scenario again where I am town and the scumteam is GM+S&G, you choose to lynch me and lose.

Literally the only thing that changes between those two situations is the parities. You just admitted to flipping a coin.

you were scummier than s&g, and we weren't sure about GM/nipple, so we lynched you.
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
November 10 2011 00:58 GMT
#1531
On November 10 2011 09:54 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2011 09:50 deconduo wrote:
GM's medic claim might have been a much better idea had mafia not had a rolecop.


Disagree, because chaoser probably would've counterclaimed anyway.

Even without the rolecop we could've shot chaoser.


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On November 10 2011 09:53 redFF wrote:
On November 10 2011 09:51 wherebugsgo wrote:
On November 10 2011 09:38 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 10 2011 09:14 Ace wrote:
You're in LYLO. Someone claims medic. The real medic dies. He has an alibi that can't help you determine his alignment. Why are you taking anything he says as true at this point for sure?


I disagree. Suppose GM is scum and claims medic. There are two possibilities:
1) There is a real medic, who is not shot night two. We get back our parity result between bugs and super and still lynch bugs. As the real medic is still alive, that allows us to pull of a second parity check, ending the game.
2) There is a real medic, who is shot night two. We get back our parity result between bugs and super and still lynch bugs. The game comes down to a 2v1 and you go from there.


This.

You're claiming the parity check somehow means I become scum. That's not true, the best information you have going into day 3 with any sort of check all leads to a GM lynch.

Every other lynch is non-optimal and if you repeat this scenario again where I am town and the scumteam is GM+S&G, you choose to lynch me and lose.

Literally the only thing that changes between those two situations is the parities. You just admitted to flipping a coin.

you were scummier than s&g, and we weren't sure about GM/nipple, so we lynched you.


This doesn't make any sense either, you even said yourself S&G was scum the night before.

I entered the thread at a terrible time too. I had just come back from class and looked at my phone and went wtf super voted Kurumi.

Had I refrained from posting it might have even turned out better.

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