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i hope lotr and xlv will end soon  | ||
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On October 12 2011 03:01 Incognito wrote: Signups are full, roles will go out tonight. Also, anyone can pick any role. If somebody higher in the draft order picked your role before you do, you get no role. roles will go out? what about the drafting phase? man this playerlist is making me feel so inferior .. tons of awesome people and mafia forum legends and i just realize i've never ever really played well as neither town nor mafia .. /me is off to read up on ver's town | ||
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you up for some light coaching too? i just noticed that there are no coaches attached to this game at all | ||
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On October 12 2011 14:22 Mig wrote: This idea is very good. It makes the Ace role godly, 2 shot vig that can only hit mafia. At the beginning of the day everyone should be required to claim town so that the person with Ace isn't required to role claim and force people to say it. aren't you thinking of the bloodyc0bbler role? also mafia could be bloodyc0bbler wouldn't be too shabby, especially not if town comes up with plans like these. i don't like that plan, i've never seen mass claim on day1 amount to anything good if you really mean ace role then i have no idea what you're on about. | ||
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i don't think the role works like that, ace has to prove to the host that his target is lying, he can't just claim that he is lying and then the shot will go through if he actually is lying duh | ||
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duh ... if you're right then i think that the role is unbelievably op Will Ace be able to shoot random people who claim town aligned and then only kill if they turn out to be 3rd party/scum, thus acting as a DT who kills his targets if they're scum? | ||
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On October 13 2011 04:18 heist wrote: I support only 3 roles being the top 3 mandatory picks: inventor, thief, role swap. I think it's crucial we have some accountability. With only 3 roles there is also a much lower chance of getting your role stolen if we are just looking at the top 3. The town can control their actions and it forces them to use their powers for town-oriented goals. Although Radfield, how do you envision the relationship between inventor, thief, and role swapper working? Should they confirm each? Leave each other alone? One other thing I want to mention. Rockstar is guarded by vanilla townies OR mafia. Don't go confirming yourself to your bodyguards. i like this these are the most beneficial roles for town and if we can't have them then a red lynch would be nice in compensation having top5 pick leaves too much room for shenanigans also i don't hope that there will be a ton of people with a suppressed batman inside who will get into top3/5 and then pick another role because they "always wanted to be like qatol" or something like that also i'm picking [1][1] so no one else pick that please, i'll invent you many good inventions promiss | ||
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maybe nra shouldn't claim in thread | ||
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also after rednkted's last post i just realized that with town going for prot roles, people will be free to derp it up all they want | ||
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mafia are surely going to try to get one of theirs elected if they can and while pardoner is stronger than mayor, mayor is still storng. if we narrow down the range of people who are candidates mafia can't just suddenly vote in a pardoner in the last second by switching a single vote or something like that. | ||
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also i think we need to narrow down the field of candidates so people should keep pushing for their candidacy or they should drop out. to all of the candidates that aren't mig, (radfield,wiggles,chaoser,kenpachi,meapak,jaccizisplat,sorryifi'mforgettinganybody) who would you like to see as pardoner if you win the election? | ||
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i don't like syllo bargaining with out-of-game-resources like this one-time-no-lie-absolute-truth to a friend. that's not how you play this game. i'm gonna ignore it because it's on the border of what should be allowed by the rules. i don't get why people don't get warnings for stuff like that. also, i promiss a million dollars to everybody if i'm scum. no lie, but if at any point during this game you voice your skepticism at this statement you will not get any money. i think radfield is the best mayor right now based on amount of PMs i've had with him, i don't see him saying weird stuff so i'm inclined to think that he's town and he's the one i trust the most of the candidates right now. i also like wiggles. i think mayor should tell us his lynch way before he is elected and i think that lynch should be cheese right now, but i'm open for other ideas. | ||
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anyway i like rad the most ##Vote Radfield | ||
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On October 17 2011 08:34 Arctocod wrote: Heist First off, let's look at this post by Chaoser. To which heist replies: This post is written in direct response to chaoser's point that it's very dangerous to put radfield in office. I don't think anyone can interpret this post as anything other than heist implying he thinks chaoser wants to kill radfield if he gets in office, as he seems to be pointing out the ridiculousness of chaoser being so afraid of putting an unreadable player in office. But later heist really backtracks on this one: Which is an outright lie. I think heist doesn't want to stick his neck out too much, I think he's basically scum who doesn't actually care too much about pushing his reads, he just wants to contribute without actually ever being in danger of being scrutinized. I think heist would be an excellent lynch target tomorrow. are you trying to direct ace's target for tonight? | ||
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why is it that first you liked foolishness so much that you wanted him to run for office and you were so sure that he was town through your pms ... and then when someone said your name and his in the same post suddenly he's a null tell to you? | ||
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i don't think you can safely conclude anything about foolishness' pm activity you seem more like you're bitter that suddenly he doesn't want to talk to you anymore and then you're letting your feelings get in the way of the game | ||
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i don't get this kenpachi being swapper now, also i don't get how he could think that NKVD worked as he thought it did. it would be very powerful so why wouldn't town talk a lot about how we can secure it etc? he thought everybody else missed what he was sure about? how is he swapper when swapper already flipped? in relation to kenpachi there is deconduo, but scamp is clearly copy cat -> america and we'll know much more about that when nuke lands so lets just wait it out. arctocod came with a huge big list of people who are scum, and then he went for meapak. but i thought i'd seen that analysis before, mostly based on meta and on people not being as active as he'd like to. and looking a bit back i actually had seen it before. in a game where arctocod was scum and jack was town. a lot of people made insincere bids to the mayor position, kenpachi, greymist, chaoser just because he ran for mayor doesn't make him scum. and in the end he supported the same townie train that everybody voted for, i'm like 95% sure that both radfield and mig are townies at this point (not that i'm not watching them anyway). what's in the meapak analysis is no where near damning, and just throwing accusations about isn't really very townie play to me. did you even PM meapak about any of this? a lot of people have been complaining about meapak lately so maybe there's something to it but i really need to see someone make a decent case before i'll consider voting for him. and palmar is not nearly good enough a mafia player to use meta, mostly i'd say he just uses it to make his analysis seem better while in reality, it isn't. i don't like that at all. foolishness this is my foolishness irc log, for time reference, 5:00 was day2 deadline + Show Spoiler [my foolishness log] + --- Log opened Sun Oct 16 23:07:07 2011 23:07 -!- Irssi: Starting query in QuakeNet with Foolishness 23:07 <Foolishness> yo 23:07 <Foolishness> you around? --- Log closed Sun Oct 16 23:13:03 2011 --- Log opened Sun Oct 16 23:55:54 2011 23:55 <derpladee> yea kinda 23:56 <Foolishness> what numbers did you pick for the draft? 23:56 <Foolishness> I'm going through the numbers and something isn't quite making sense so I want to be sure 23:57 <derpladee> yea 23:57 <derpladee> i picked the ones i put in threa 23:57 <derpladee> d 23:57 <derpladee> 2/1 23:57 <Foolishness> oh? 23:57 <derpladee> oh. 23:57 <Foolishness> I didn't even realize you posted them in the thread 23:57 <Foolishness> lol 23:57 <Foolishness> must have missed your post 23:57 <derpladee> apprently 23:58 <Foolishness> haha okay good 23:58 <derpladee> what's not making sense 23:59 <derpladee> everybody gave numbers except arctocod 23:59 <derpladee> and they all look good 23:59 <Foolishness> yeah I just realized I made a mistake withthat 23:59 <Foolishness> I think it looks fine 23:59 <derpladee> cool --- Day changed Mon Oct 17 2011 00:02 <derpladee> it's funny how noone picked 3/3 00:02 <derpladee> the winning numbers from last pyp game 00:02 <Foolishness> haha perhaps it was a "I bet multiple people are picking those numbers so I won't" 00:03 <derpladee> well what about 1/1 00:03 <derpladee> 5 people went for that 00:03 <derpladee> a case of "i bet noone are picking those so i will" ? 00:03 <Foolishness> well in the first pyp game I was 3rd on the draft with 1,1 00:03 <Foolishness> and in the last PYP I played I got 7 or 8 with 1,1 00:03 <Foolishness> haha 00:03 <derpladee> this time you're like third last 00:03 <Foolishness> so my track record was good with those numbers 00:03 <Foolishness> yesss 00:03 <Foolishness> :  --- Log closed Mon Oct 17 00:09:03 2011 --- Log opened Mon Oct 17 03:41:18 2011 03:41 -!- Irssi: Starting query in QuakeNet with Foolishness 03:41 <derpladee> hey how do you feel about wbg? 03:41 <derpladee> i'm going for cutest player award 03:41 <Foolishness> he's so freakin annoying 03:41 <Foolishness> gosh 03:42 <derpladee> for real? 03:42 <Foolishness> yes 03:42 <Foolishness> like 03:42 <Foolishness> day 1 03:42 <Foolishness> we talked quite a bit 03:42 <Foolishness> and I thought we were on the same page 03:42 <Foolishness> BUT APPARENTLY NOT 03:42 <derpladee> what made you change your mind so much 03:42 <Foolishness> that guy is so spontaneous 03:42 <Foolishness> never thinks things through 03:42 <derpladee> well spontaneous is good isn't it 03:42 <derpladee> gives people a clear read 03:42 <derpladee> when it's overly thought through 03:42 <Foolishness> I guess so 03:42 <derpladee> like when you talk on forums sometimes scum have enough time to think of a nice answer 03:43 <Foolishness> he's town 03:43 <Foolishness> but just impossible to work with 03:43 <derpladee> but on irc it's different 03:43 <derpladee> i see 03:43 <derpladee> is that why you didn't talk to him lately? 03:44 <Foolishness> yes 03:45 <derpladee> what were you working on? 03:45 <derpladee> was it just you two or did you have like a group of people 03:45 <Foolishness> just us two 03:45 <Foolishness> we thought that chaoser might be linked to radfield 03:45 <derpladee> 'cause you seem to agree a lot in the thread 03:46 <Foolishness> yeah as I said we talked a lot day 1 03:46 <derpladee> like, your filter is mostly something related to him 03:46 <derpladee> and it's a bit weird i think, for a guy like you to talk extensively and work so closely together with a guy like him 03:46 <Foolishness> well he has an open mind 03:46 <derpladee> i think mostly what he's got going is enthusiasm and fervor (sp?) 03:47 <Foolishness> lol yeah that's a good way to put it 03:47 <derpladee> why did you decide to work with him 03:47 <derpladee> and not like maybe kenpachi 03:47 <Foolishness> lol kenpachi! 03:47 <derpladee> what's lol about him? 03:47 <Foolishness> it's kenpachi! 03:48 <Foolishness> looool 03:48 <derpladee> but he's pretty good! 03:48 <Foolishness> yeah he's quite the interesting character 03:48 <derpladee> and then he's got your style 03:48 <derpladee> don't say anything ever and then have all the answers 03:48 <Foolishness> but to answer your question we talked a lot day 1 03:48 <Foolishness> I guess we just agreed on a lot of things? 03:48 <Foolishness> dunno it was so long ago haha 03:48 <derpladee> i just think it's weird that you two would talk a lot when you are foolishness and he's wbg 03:49 <derpladee> but you're foolishness! you're a tlmafia forum legend 03:49 <derpladee> surely you can remember stuff that happened not more than a couple days ago 03:49 <Foolishness> well who am I supposed to talk to then? lol 03:49 <derpladee> there are a lot of players in this game i just think it's a bit weird that you decided mostly just to talk to wbg 03:49 <Foolishness> well I remember us debating peoples' innocence, trying to get the right person elected/lynched, then looking for connections between chaoser and radfield 03:50 <Foolishness> haha don't worry I'm in contact with a number of people 03:50 <derpladee> okay cool 03:50 <derpladee> like chaoser and kita? 03:50 <Foolishness> it's been slow so I haven't really talked to anyone today though 03:50 <derpladee> slow thread usually means busy pm 03:50 <Foolishness> yes chaoser 03:51 <Foolishness> kita spend an entire day bothering me 03:51 <Foolishness> about a 5th party 03:51 <derpladee> didn't prot say that there aren't any 5th party members 03:51 <Foolishness> did he? I wasn't paying attention really 03:52 <Foolishness> I was really busy the first day 03:52 <Foolishness> in the game busy I mean 03:52 <Foolishness> and also 03:52 <Foolishness> the Radfield group don't like to talk to me, so I generally avoid them as much as I can 03:52 <derpladee> i think people were talking about it in relation to dropbear's idea to frame as 5th party so people could see who he framed 03:53 <derpladee> but that's no way to play mafia is it 03:53 <Foolishness> and since they're the most vocal of the groups so far, it might sound like I'm not active cause none of them are talking to me 03:53 <derpladee> just don't talk to people 03:53 <derpladee> but wbg is the one saying you're not active 03:54 <derpladee> he's hardly in the radfield group, he's more in the ... i don't know whatever group you're in 03:54 <derpladee> grouping is silly anyway 03:54 <Foolishness> I think so too but that's the easiest way to describe it 03:54 <Foolishness> I don't know what wbg is up to 03:54 <Foolishness> but I'm kinda in a rut here 03:55 <Foolishness> I need the day post to really do anything 03:55 <derpladee> what do you mean? 03:55 <Foolishness> I need to see who dies before I can make any more progress 03:56 <derpladee> (zoology) Sexual desire or oestrus of cattle, and various other mammals 03:56 <derpladee> ... i just looked up rut 03:56 <derpladee> i'm not sure what to think about this 03:56 <Foolishness> no not that rut 03:56 <Foolishness> loool 03:56 <Foolishness> although that's quite an interesting definition you found 03:59 <Foolishness> man this game has been such a sine wave for me 03:59 <derpladee> what you mean 04:00 <derpladee> sometimes you know who is scum and sometimes you don't? 04:00 <Foolishness> as soon as something really good happens, something really bad comes along 04:00 <derpladee> or sometimes you care about the game and sometimes you don't? 04:00 <derpladee> what really good and really bad has happened lately? 04:01 <Foolishness> well 04:01 <Foolishness> at one point 04:01 <Foolishness> I knew almost all of the night hits 04:01 <Foolishness> but that got comprimised 04:02 <Foolishness> so now I'm just waiting to see what happens 04:02 <derpladee> what do you mean knew all night hits 04:02 <derpladee> from all scum and all vigs? 04:03 <Foolishness> not all of them 04:03 <Foolishness> but quite a few 04:03 <derpladee> how did you get to know that? 04:03 <derpladee> i mean the radfield group has to have a lot of scum/vigs since it's arguably the bigger group (he's mayor after all) 04:04 <Foolishness> lol what do you think I've been doing since the game started? =P 04:04 <derpladee> and you said you don't talk to us folk again 04:04 <derpladee> well 04:04 <derpladee> i honestly haven't a clue  04:04 <derpladee> this is the first time i talk to you 04:04 <Foolishness> haha good 04:05 <derpladee> how can you know who all scum groups are hitting 04:05 <derpladee> i imagine vigs could potentially claim to you if they think you're town 04:05 <derpladee> but no mafia is gonna claim vig and use the mafia's kill to corroborate tha 04:05 <Foolishness> oh of course not 04:05 <Foolishness> mafia will claim mafia, not vigi 04:06 <derpladee> who claimed mafia to you? 04:07 <Foolishness> well nobody outright claimed it 04:07 <derpladee> no i didn't think they would either 04:07 <Foolishness> haha but there's more than one way to claim 04:08 <derpladee> well 04:08 <Foolishness> actions speak louder than words? 04:08 <derpladee> who didn't outright claim to you but claimed nonetheless 04:08 <derpladee> i have a really hard time 04:08 <derpladee> finding scum in this game 04:08 <derpladee> which is weird 'cause there are so many of them 04:08 <Foolishness> mmm well 04:08 <Foolishness> it's probably because you're treating this game like any other game of mafia 04:08 <derpladee> i never played multifactional 04:08 <derpladee> or pyp 04:09 <derpladee> i'm confused as hell 04:09 <Foolishness> haha good learning experience then! 04:09 <derpladee> i had no idea about picking strategies or anything in the beginning 04:09 <derpladee> well yea i'm hoping so 04:11 <derpladee> ... but seriously, who do you think is scum 04:12 <Foolishness> meapak 04:13 <derpladee> the guy is inventor 04:13 <derpladee> isn't that a self-confirming role? 04:13 <derpladee> why do you think he's scum? 04:13 <Foolishness> a lot of his actions don't make sense 04:14 <Foolishness> why would he claim inventor 04:14 <derpladee> he's afraid of hits? 04:14 <Foolishness> why jokingly run for office 04:14 <derpladee> a lot of people jokingly ran for office 04:15 <derpladee> why is this making him scum? 04:15 <derpladee> i think mostly he's been under the radar really 04:16 <Foolishness> yes, I like focusing on the under the radar people 04:16 <Foolishness> wait, who else jokingly ran for office? 04:17 <derpladee> kenpachi? 04:17 <Foolishness> I guess wiggles, but I also think he's mafia lol 04:17 <Foolishness> oohhhhh right 04:17 <derpladee> i don't think so much wiggles 04:17 <Foolishness> hmm 04:17 <derpladee> wiggles defended his position and all 04:17 <Foolishness> I haven't talked to kenpachi, I wonder if anyone else has though 04:19 <derpladee> uh i think someone told me that they had talked to him or something --- Log closed Mon Oct 17 04:24:03 2011 --- Log opened Mon Oct 17 05:17:33 2011 05:17 <derpladee> so how about that flip huh 05:19 <Foolishness> I'm confused lol 05:22 <derpladee> you think swapper was dropped to kita? 05:22 <Foolishness> what do you mean? 05:22 <derpladee> i mean swapper is a cool role 05:22 <derpladee> that #3 pick was supposed to take according to all those lists 05:27 <Foolishness> Mig just answered that in the chat? 05:27 <derpladee> yea he did --- Log closed Mon Oct 17 05:33:03 2011 what i don't like about a guy like foolishness is that he's one of those names you hear a lot on this forum, but he hasn't done anything in this game yet. just about all of his posts so far have been him supporting wbg or otherwise talking about wbg related stuff, but the second decon pointed out that they might be connected, they both start distancing themselves for each other. wbg, who actively pushed for foolishness's election now says that foolishness is a null tell because of a bout of inactiveness. foolishness, as you can see in my log says + Show Spoiler [why foolishness suddenly doesn't…] + 03:41 <derpladee> hey how do you feel about wbg? 03:41 <Foolishness> he's so freakin annoying 03:41 <Foolishness> gosh 03:42 <derpladee> for real? 03:42 <Foolishness> yes 03:42 <Foolishness> like 03:42 <Foolishness> day 1 03:42 <Foolishness> we talked quite a bit 03:42 <Foolishness> and I thought we were on the same page 03:42 <Foolishness> BUT APPARENTLY NOT 03:42 <derpladee> what made you change your mind so much 03:42 <Foolishness> that guy is so spontaneous 03:42 <Foolishness> never thinks things through citing what might be the most obvious flaws in wbg's play, the guy is ALWAYS spontaneous and he NEVER thinks things through and he's ALWAYS so freakin annoying. so why did foolishness even talk to him in the first place? foolishness could have talked to anyone but he mostly decides to just talk to wbg, this seems weird to me unless they are somehow connected. i ask him why he even bothered with wbg in the first place with his obvious character flaws and foolishness says + Show Spoiler [lol i dunno, i guess i forgot] + 03:48 <Foolishness> but to answer your question we talked a lot day 1 03:48 <Foolishness> I guess we just agreed on a lot of things? 03:48 <Foolishness> dunno it was so long ago haha 03:48 <derpladee> i just think it's weird that you two would talk a lot when you are foolishness and he's wbg 03:49 <derpladee> but you're foolishness! you're a tlmafia forum legend 03:49 <derpladee> surely you can remember stuff that happened not more than a couple days ago 03:49 <Foolishness> well who am I supposed to talk to then? lol 03:49 <derpladee> there are a lot of players in this game i just think it's a bit weird that you decided mostly just to talk to wbg at this point foolishness says that wbg isn't the only one he's talked to + Show Spoiler [kita and chaoser] + 03:50 <Foolishness> haha don't worry I'm in contact with a number of people 03:50 <derpladee> okay cool 03:50 <derpladee> like chaoser and kita? 03:50 <Foolishness> it's been slow so I haven't really talked to anyone today though 03:50 <derpladee> slow thread usually means busy pm 03:50 <Foolishness> yes chaoser 03:51 <Foolishness> kita spend an entire day bothering me 03:51 <Foolishness> about a 5th party 03:51 <derpladee> didn't prot say that there aren't any 5th party members 03:51 <Foolishness> did he? I wasn't paying attention really 03:52 <Foolishness> I was really busy the first day 03:52 <Foolishness> in the game busy I mean 03:52 <Foolishness> and also 03:52 <Foolishness> the Radfield group don't like to talk to me, so I generally avoid them as much as I can 03:52 <derpladee> i think people were talking about it in relation to dropbear's idea to frame as 5th party so people could see who he framed 03:53 <derpladee> but that's no way to play mafia is it 03:53 <Foolishness> and since they're the most vocal of the groups so far, it might sound like I'm not active cause none of them are talking to me so foolishness also talked to chaoser and kita in PMs and since he was really busy he must have talked to them quite a bit. they were both scum, but did he talk about that in the thread at all? no. foolishness is supposed to be a guy who picks up on stuff and even though he's actively PMing with two scum he doesn't pick up on ANYTHING. weird. also he says that he was really busy first day but people might not know. well, if town don't know about your activity then what good is it to us? + Show Spoiler [but i'm so good!] + 04:01 <Foolishness> well 04:01 <Foolishness> at one point 04:01 <Foolishness> I knew almost all of the night hits 04:01 <Foolishness> but that got comprimised 04:02 <Foolishness> so now I'm just waiting to see what happens he almost knew everything about everybody in the game, but then not really so now he's just lurking it out. wat?! finally + Show Spoiler [who's scummy] + 04:11 <derpladee> ... but seriously, who do you think is scum 04:12 <Foolishness> meapak 04:13 <derpladee> the guy is inventor 04:13 <derpladee> isn't that a self-confirming role? 04:13 <derpladee> why do you think he's scum? 04:13 <Foolishness> a lot of his actions don't make sense 04:14 <Foolishness> why would he claim inventor 04:14 <derpladee> he's afraid of hits? 04:14 <Foolishness> why jokingly run for office 04:14 <derpladee> a lot of people jokingly ran for office 04:15 <derpladee> why is this making him scum? 04:15 <derpladee> i think mostly he's been under the radar really 04:16 <Foolishness> yes, I like focusing on the under the radar people 04:16 <Foolishness> wait, who else jokingly ran for office? 04:17 <derpladee> kenpachi? 04:17 <Foolishness> I guess wiggles, but I also think he's mafia lol 04:17 <Foolishness> oohhhhh right no pushing his views at all, just saying that meapak is scum. honestly, i've been getting a lot of "meapak is scum" lately so there might be something about it but foolishness' entire argument is 10 words long. sounds like he didn't give it any thoughts at all. finally there's his connection with wbg that i want to talk about. first wbg struck me as being a lot less chaotic than he used to be but when he changed that i thought that maybe he'd just fallen into his lotr ways where he almost got lynched day1 for being insane. but still, "i'm insane" is not a good excuse for being insane. i get a lot more scummyness from foolishness because of my past experiences with wbg, but the two are so interconnected that one's flip will surely affect my read on the other. foolishness needs to step it up ##Vote Foolishness | ||
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why aren't we lynching jimbo? if he's the real inventor then he doesn't have an excuse for not inventing anything. it's more reasonable to think that meapak was framed than it is to think that jimbo FORGOT to invent something. i mean come on if you take a role like inventor and orchestrate something as big as this switcheroo, it's because you are going to invent stuff. also meapak chose rockstar, why wouldn't he choose NRA if he was scum? then he would have taken at least framer and a DT with him to the grave instead of this. also he acted his inventor role out pretty well imo except for outing in thread that he was gonna pick inventor before he did it. jimbo is a lot better target for a lynch today. meapak can be lynched tomorrow but right now we know that he's rockstar and he's not dangerous to town at all. jimbo could be anything, nra, KP, or protective role, and that's infinitely more dangerous than a dude who can just sit there and wait for his execution unless he can prevent it by being town. that said he is doing a terrible job of that so far, he's said a lot but he's still not talking. ##Unvote Meapak_Ziphh ##Vote JimboSilvers @heist sandroba knew because he is meapak's bodyguard | ||
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lol i forgot to vote on foolishness in the first place too .. i forgot the voting thread day1 too dunno what it is. anyway, death to meapak and jimbo. | ||
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i cannot wait another second for the new model op 'cause the current one is ... i need to do some push ups right now | ||
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game behavioral analysis this isn't a game about technical shit like ips. you are not supposed to gain an edge from knowing stuff about ips. likewise, you are not supposed to gain an edge from the ability of breaking into people's houses and hold their pets hostage for their alignment, EVEN THOUGH there's not technically anything in the rules about this. why? because this is a game about behavioral analysis. ip checks? jesus christ i cannot possibly express myself right now. | ||
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btw my ip is 188.176.9.176 and my skype is cptspectacular also, was i the only one who just found the entire house tudor in a matter of 10 mins? | ||
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i realize that all the shenanigans pulled by the rad+mig group yesterday where the lynch was pretty much decided all day long because of a successful dt check (and cemented by a terrible defense), we cannot just sit on our hands today and wait until 12 hours before deadline when rad will finally tell us who we're going to lynch. we need to provide content and provide analysis. it's really a shame that rad+mig felt like outing that they had a bullet bill, they could very likely have gotten meapak lynched anyway and the bullet bill revelation just served to make town more lazy i feel. so everybody needs to get posting. scamp the guy basically spends day0 as most other people, commenting a bit on plans and on the setup. nothing incrimination but nothing that gives a town vibe either. then comes his first post with more than just a few lines On October 16 2011 00:00 Scamp wrote: You probably shouldn't talk about XLV since it's not finished yet. + Show Spoiler + On October 15 2011 16:33 GreYMisT wrote: Basically the mayoral race, current scumreads, the like In fact, your name came up once or twice, namely regarding this post: I refuse to believe i am the only one who receives creeps from this post. instead of talking about what the town needs to do, you basically say "well, I guess we just sit back and pray we don't die boys, oh and this is how scum should play." How can a player who is supposed to play from a pro town perspective post something that is so anti-town in every way imaginable? I have yet to see such a defeatist attitude in any post in the thread to date. In fact all of your posts share a similar feel to them. In light of this do you have any original thoughts regarding the state of the game? Actually, I think you're the only one who got the creeps from my post. Maybe WBG too, I dunno. Why? Because you're quoting it and removing all the context. I was explaining how a lot of the plans about drafting roles were coming from people who had the wrong idea about the game. I find it odd that you ask me for original ideas because you're the one running for mayor and you never have any. But here, I'll throw you a bone. Why don't you look at the people who insisted on having people claim their numbers and then did nothing with the information at all? On October 15 2011 16:33 wherebugsgo wrote: Scamp, let me ask you this: why are you never in IRC? I don't have IRC. greymist has a couple of good points (that are still valid). scamp's defense is that greymist is the only one who "got the creeps", but if he really feels that way why devote his biggest post so far to a defense against it? then he goes on the offensive and claims that greymist have done no good this game so far himself. next post i want to talk about is + Show Spoiler + On October 16 2011 21:59 Scamp wrote: I'm not sure that Node had the role of 'America'. It seems to be flavor. In any event, it is exceptionally unlikely that multiple teams went for an america/politician combo if he was America since he draft so far down the list. right now it's pretty clear that scamp at this point knew 100% that node was america, because scamp copy-catted the role. why did he then show up and feel the need to sow confusion in town by claiming that you couldn't be sure? scamp lied to town here and i have no idea why. then comes kenpachi's claim that he nkvd checked deconduo and found him to be tudor. scamp immediately sees this as a golden opportunity to kill someone for town credit without even stopping to consider that deconduo could have been framed or that kenpachi could be lying. he proceeds to post these two posts: + Show Spoiler + On October 17 2011 14:18 Scamp wrote: I personally can't see any reason not to do this so yeah... ##Nuke: Deconduo + Show Spoiler + On October 17 2011 16:02 Scamp wrote: Clearly I am claiming America. So there. WBG you have it wrong, the nuke falls at the end of the day, not in 12 hours. I have to use it prior 12 hours before the day ends. If Decon doesn't flip Tudor we should kill Kenpachi. first he shoots, and then he says that in case decon isn't scum, he shouldn't take any blame himself but instead kenpachi should get looked at. he is also not resorting to any sort of analysis himself. scum don't like posting analysis because the more content, the more chances there are that they'll say something stupid. scamp is trying to buy free town credit here, he gets rid of a scum, cool, he's not tudor himself. he gets rid of a townie? KILL KENPACHI. there's no reason to think that scamp is town (and i haven't heard from anybody in PM land that he should be town) and he has not even tried to post original content. he has like 10 posts where his primary goal is to get easy town credit and to overly defend himself from what he claims to be bad accusations. ##Vote Scamp i'm also hoping to get answers from the awesome hosts about that house chezinu thing but i can't imagine that it's anything but a funny. i seem to remember that in connection with dropbear's "i'll frame 5th party" host said that there was only the four factions mentioned in topic. also chezinu didn't participate in the war of the roses. | ||
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there was absolutely no hesitation in your nuke to stop up and say "maybe decon was framed" or "are we to trust kenpachi on this?" i can only see scum benefiting from this. you can always just say "oh yea i thought kenpachi was telling the truth lets lynch him!". your rhetoric serves to justify that you are now killing somebody but that's not your fault, which is good for scum. if you are mafia and you kill someone who you know isn't on your team it's good no matter what. if you're town you need to think twice before doing anything crazy. @radfield this is all pretty cool with supersoft and jacuzzi and sinani. i just don't see why you think that these guys are scum. you are not arguing or anything, where does this come from? you can't have dt checked all of them. say you BB'd sinani, he claimed hider and you found a gun on him. shoot him. where do the rest of the guys slip up? i just don't like lynching without getting any information whatsoever. it's pretty cool that you lynched scum before but i really still think that you need to put forward some information. as half assed as palmar's meapak analysis was there was stuff in there to convince people, i think you're missing that here. @supersoft hider can be pro-town but then you need to hide behind people who do less analysis/work than you do, and you need to tell people that you hid behind them. who did you hide behind and why? who did you tell your hide-behind target? start talking @mig how do i fit wiggles medic target night1? after i told you i tried to pick dreamflower and you told me that you also knew that there was a dreamflower in the game i was virtually guaranteed to be town. why would you shoot me and not lynch me? there were tons of people calling out for my lynch but you decided on node instead. also town had like no kp i'm sure wiggles used his medic powers to protect someone who was likely to be shot by scum, which wasn't me. palmar was town and only he and a couple in rad+mig circle knew about my claim so i probably still appeared scummy to scum, but also to town. they'd hope that town would take care of me instead. i think that last lancaster is a player who appeared a lot more townie and a lot less scummy than i did to everybody day1. this fits jacuzzi, sandroba and kenpachi. kenpachi chose nkvd and that would be crazy for scum unless they have assassin and nothing looks like there's an assassin in this game so i doubt that he is scum. i also think that it fits scamp and to a certain extend wbg. sinani could just be afk but i agree that it's better to have him dead than to have a total null read coming with us further into this game. | ||
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hider isn't really a townie role but neither were ackbar or bomber .. regardless, you're dead so too bad if you're a townie. btw, if you think sinani needs to be shot, why are you so sure he's mafia? he never said anything, and if dreamflower kills a townie dreamflower dies .. why are you so sure he's mafia that you'd want dreamflower to hit him? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [POV] + Day0: Confused about all this role picking stuff, people are gonna pick whatever they want anyway. Also in my house, #1 and #4 pick but people pick whatever they want for what I consider silly reasons. In hindsight maybe deconduo could have soaked up some hits but he was unlucky to get checked and nuked. Day1: Confused about all this election stuff. I don't really see any other candidates but Radfield and Mig, and Radfield seems a bit more scummy than Mig but I doubt it matters. JimboSilvers might be another candidate but I don't think it matters still, especially when he's inventor and town, he could be pretty dangerous in office. It was frustrating being confirmed scum because I wasn't smart enough to figure out the rule9 thing myself so I had it from chaoser. Probably wouldn't have mentioned the rule9 thing unless wherebugsgo had poked me so that was pretty cool of him even though they all ended up drawing wrong conclusions. Totally arbitrarily claimed to Arctocod because he asked me, went for VT because that's what I am, and Dreamflower because I thought that was a cool role that somebody else would have taken and it wasn't as scum as Bomber. Apparently that saved me or something so that was cool, but forever I would be branded as untrustworthy which pretty much ended the game for me right here. Night1: Meapak_Ziphh decided that we're hitting kitaman27, I don't really want to argue about this so I'll just go along with that. I think it was Mig who told me I wasn't playing like my past games which was because I was so confused, would have done the same as town I'm sure, but I thought that maybe I should try doing what I did past game. Day2: Try to go for the player with the most reputation on the tlmafia forums like I didn't my last two games (DoctorHelvetica in LotR which made him ragequit and Incognito in XLV which made him ... I have no idea), that player is Foolishness. Arctocod wrote a case on Meapak_Ziphh that I kinda blocked, that was just a boon, but in the end Radfield and Mig had already decided the lynch and Meapak_Ziphh didn't really defend himself that well I think. Still going to vote for JimboSilvers because he's actually the best lynch from my point of view, as I laid out in the thread. Night2: supersoft wants to hit sandroba or syllogism but I don't really think either of those targets are too good. supersoft claimed hider so he's going to die tomorrow I think, so I guess we can shoot syllogism, maybe he's some sort of power role, sandroba isn't so I don't want to hit him, also he's scummy. I wanted to hit wherebugsgo because I thought that maybe he was Dreamflower or at least a power role but then I was like "hopefully he'll miss and kill somebody and then himself" so we went for syllogism. Day3: I'm getting quite sick and tired of this game since apparently everybody knows I'm scum. I guess I'll continue with somewhat dubitable cases, I guess it's townie like for a guy in my position. Also I'll try to talk more in PMs because I got that advice from coach. Worst case situation for townies right now would be that either Radfield or Mig are scum so I guess I'll try to talk to people in PMs about this. Talked to GreYMisT, hiro protagonist and Erandorr about this with no success. Night 3: All alone now, sandroba and wherebugsgo are trying to make me admit to being scum and coach says that maybe I'll have to coordinate with other scum teams but I think this would be playing against my winning condition and against rules so I really don't want to do that. It's kinda tempting though but then I remember that sandroba is claiming tudor in these PMs and that's kinda weird since I'm house tudor. Hopefully he's not scum but acting very scummy and then maybe they'll hit him with Dreamflower tonight. I'm gonna hit Erandorr in my hopes that he's the last bodyguard and I can't really waste hits on a possible Dreamflower or on America since they could maybe misfire and then that would be good for me. Post game thoughts: I was pretty lucky in this game. If I could have done anything differently I would have replaced out after Day1. At this point I'd never get into a town PM circle and there was nothing going on in the thread itself. After playing my first PM game, I don't feel like PM games are for me. Unrelated to this game in particular, I think the rules are very bad and distracts from the game and are not fully thought through and are not at all sufficiently specified. Thanks to hosts for hosting and thanks to everybody for playing. Also, what's breadcrumbing, why is it illegal, and where does it say that it is illegal? | ||
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On October 24 2011 05:24 Qatol wrote: Or you could just use a server other than quakenet..... This one-line doesn't really take up the very valid point that Mr. Wiggles has, that this game shouldn't be about who's more clever technically. Mafia is a game about behavioral analysis, no? Even the players who did it (JimboSilvers in this case) said that he actually thought it wasn't the nicest thing to do and that's why he stopped doing it. All this "allow fake identities on IRC" just adds additional overhead to the game, you either have to have a list of IPs and know how to check the IP of the guy you are chatting with, or you need to tell him to throw you a PM on teamliquid.net and then make sure he is using the right account. The first scenenario, the IP check list, is silly as some people might not know how to actually do that and people probably come here for .... a game about behavioral analysis, not a game about technical prowess. The second scenario, the PMs on teamliquid.net, just adds a lot of overhead to what was supposed to make the game easier, now you have to verify everybody on teamliquid.net which is just a bore and doesn't add anything to the game. If you want to take this technical aspect of the game to its extreme you could even implement PMs in a non-PM game by using public key cryptography. Totally valid within the rules, no data is ever posted outside the thread. But again, this distracts people from what this is ..... a game about behavioral analysis. I didn't like project honeypot either. I think this should be up to the hosts but I think that hosts are doing it wrong if they want to allow this. It adds absolutely nothing to the game, and it will possibly ruin it for people who don't have a skill set that no one ever told you that you needed to have to play ..... a game about behavioral analysis. I don't think anybody should ever have any sort of an edge just by being technically more clever. This is a game about behavioral analysis, no? | ||
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On October 24 2011 06:34 wherebugsgo wrote: I don't see how public key cryptography would change a thread game into a PM game. If it's public key then everyone can crack the crypt. Either you're being overly obstructive, or you do not understand public-key cryptography. On October 24 2011 07:06 Qatol wrote: All I'm trying to point out is that there are ways around the problem you were discussing other than making a lot more work for the hosts. I think the players in this game relied too much upon IRC. Here is the problem: it is extremely hard to moderate how people act on IRC. It is also hard to figure out exactly who is breaking the rules in such a medium if they are more tech savvy than you are. Most hosts are not particularly tech savvy. Thus, hosts generally don't try to police things like IRC. This isn't the first game with IRC infiltrations/impersonations/etc (see Mafia 2, Ace's Mafia World, and Mafia 5 for example). Generally the solution to that is for the players to be more mindful that IRC is a lot less secure than IM/gchat or PM/quicktopic. The last time I was mafia, we used IRC but we used a different gateway, a password protected channel, and everyone used names other than our TL names. The hosts have enough to worry about in the thread. This shouldn't be their problem. You used IRC at your own risk and you got burned because of it. I totally agree, hosts should not moderate IRC or Skype or QuickTopics at all. But there are a lot of the rules that rely on people just abiding by the rules, even if they could break them. An example of this is the "Don't be a dick" rule that I'm pretty sure is in there somewhere, if you're mafia then don't make a smurf on teamliquid.net and send out PMs to everybody with the mafia list just to be a dick. Hosts have absolutely no powers to prevent this, and only very limited ability to find out who did it, yet it never happens. Because people generally will abide by the rules. Make a rule and people will follow it. Also, impersonating a host is illegal but not impersonating another player? How is it harder to keep track of who is impersonating other players than it is keeping track of who is impersonating the host? It isn't, but people still don't do it because it's against the rules. It's cool that people have used IRC infiltration and stuff like that before, but when I hear about it, it's mostly that those people ruined the game. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but that's not why people sign up to play this, to put a lot of effort into playing this game to the best of their ability and then some dude hacks their IRC channel or whatever. The people in that IRC channel didn't really have fun there. Just because it's been done before doesn't mean that it's a great thing and that it's cool and all. I don't like it but like most other people I agree that if hosts think it's alright they should just allow it. I just don't think that it's the best way to play, and I do think that hosts can easily do something about it, just make a rule and people will follow it. No overhead at all in this for you, and a more fun game. @wherebugsgo Like HarbingerOfDoom said, if you don't fully understand public-key cryptography there's a wikipedia page that explains it all. It would allow for private communication over a public channel such as a thread | ||
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