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Don't worry GM, I'll kill you day one so you can go back to work | ||
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On October 04 2011 04:53 GMarshal wrote: /out FML. YOU PROMISED! | ||
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An important note to everyone, the Pardoner is basically a Prince of Darkness x2 and while there's a lot of KP in this game, there's also a lot of defensive roles in this game as well. A mafia team with medics+Pardoner with Hero as his ability would be horrible for town. As such, they'll probably fake an aim for mayor and actually want pardoner instead. I learned my lesson in XXXIX with GM -_-. We need to get rid of the pardoner outright as early as possible. | ||
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One problem with "accountability" guidelines from previous PYP games has been that a scum will draft a defensive role near the top and then bury the power role near the bottom of the draft, where its identity is hidden. This is made worse by the fact that there are different mafia factions in this game so things get even more confusing with them all going for the same roles and possibly same strats and soon you'll have to deal with the mess that happened in PYP2 where a traitor said someone picked his role in the top 5 and we ended up losing two days to that alone except this time it will probably be worse when we try to control the role list. Sandroba hits the nail on the head. This game is about outlasting, not about trying to win the game as early as possible as town. The longer the game goes on, the more mafia will have to start worrying about each other and the more information and time town has to figure everything out. Let the mafia deal with fighting over roles, we should focus on getting as many protective roles as possible. Look at how LOTR played out: Two medics basically bought town enough time to lynch the last three mafia. I'd say protective roles are #1 picks and then investigative roles and then KP roles. Mafia will probably be going for as many KP as possible to try to overcome our defensive roles if we play like this so we can just lynch anyone suspicious that also has KP. | ||
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On October 13 2011 00:36 GreYMisT wrote: What do you guys think about the power of the rockstar? I dont see much reason for a town member to take it over bulletproof or vet, but if a mafia were to take it, that would mean every time he gets shot by another faction, he essentially kills a VT. Bodyguards do not die when the mayor is shot. Vet hits will not be removed if the mayor is shot. Basically, the mayor is not targetable by any KP actions while the BGs are alive. Rock Star BGs act the same way as Mayor BGs. | ||
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On October 13 2011 00:33 sandroba wrote: Also anyone that wants to talk to me a discuss shit add me on skype sandro.maculan I'm ostrich_be_fun | ||
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On October 13 2011 00:59 Jackal58 wrote: That was me. I wasn't a traitor. I was vanilla townie. We were supposed to follow some daft pick order. I was #6. Somebody else took the power I was supposed to pick. You all lynched me to prove I wasn't lying. So I'm not playing that game again. Lists don't work. Picking in a particular order doesn't work. Assigning values to roles doesn't work. There are 3 different scum factions that are already working on choosing roles that will compliment each other. What makes you guys think there is any thing we can do to ensure roles are denied to the scum teams? Oh I know. Scum teams put out lists of roles and who should take them when. This is madness. Different game dude, talking about PYP2. You weren't in that game | ||
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This I completely agree with. Investigative + Protective, with a dash of KP mixed in. That is towns best set-up. However, we can have that and still assign some slots at the top to keep the most dangerous roles accountable. The two ideas work well together and are not mutually exclusive. Oh ok, I get what you're saying now, yeah, this works out then. Assassin has infinite immediate hidden kills. Assassins can only kill once per cycle. Should you succeed in your hit, you are refunded your kill to use again in the following cycle or later and nobody is the wiser. | ||
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On October 13 2011 03:44 GreYMisT wrote: Radfield the main problem I see with your plan is that we have given scum the perfect place to shoot for the first 2 nights. Mafia would shoot into the top of the list anyway? | ||
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On October 13 2011 03:50 GreYMisT wrote: Fair enough, but I'm uncomfortable with letting them know they have a 1/5 of hitting inventor by doing so. I perfer a plan where we pick following general guidelines. As someone said this gives mafia less of an opportunity to screw up everything, and already sets us up with good roles. Mafia might know where inventor is but so would medics? @sandroba, I understand the hole let mafia fight over roles thing but the fact of the matter is, even if they fight over it, SOMEONE is going to get the inventor. SOMEONE is going to get the assassin. I'd rather know where they are and who has it than not know where it is and not know who has it. Town doesn't necessarily have to get those roles. As long as we know who has it and where it is, we have total control over the role. Ver (I think) talked about this in previous PYP games where he said CPR doc/CV is a horrible pick for mafia since you'll probably be controlled by town as long as they know where you are and who has it. So lets get some accountability up in this mother. | ||
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On October 13 2011 04:18 sandroba wrote: We will have no control no matter what. Mafia gets assigned assassin, they take w/e the fuck they want in their top pick and leave the last guy on the team to pick assassin. Until we lynch/kill the top pick guy assassin lays low and when he finally dies we still have THE SAME PROBLEM which is the hidden assassin. Acomplishes nothing. Just because assassin can do that doesn't when that'll work for the other roles. Inventor is easy enough to see. So if thief and role swapper. And it's not like the top people will be "staying low" the whole point of this is to put inherent pressure on those in the top. Every single thing they say and do will be scrutinized. Also, it's easy enough to confirm top assassin. We'll have a bunch of investigative roles like you said we should get so once we find a mafia we make the assassin kill them then and there. The PM sent is secret but the death is immediate so we can see that they're doing it. Even if they're mafia killing another mafia family, it's still an action that's under our control. We can decrease the top 5 list into a top 3 list if that's better but so far accountability is better than nothing. | ||
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On October 13 2011 04:24 JimboSilvers wrote: As someone (kita I think) so eloquently pointed out, we can assign all we want, but it's not going to help us keep them accountable. Look at it from their point of view: If you get assigned inventor, pick Hero or BP, let a teammate pick inventor. If we find out, we vig/lynch the top player. Sure it's a red, but it doesn't help the fact that we still don't know where the inventor is. Make sense? On October 13 2011 04:26 heist wrote: And as Radfield put it, the alternative is not knowing who the inventor is AND not getting a red kill. | ||
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On October 13 2011 06:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I like this idea, a lot tbh. This brings up the subject of elections. Do we try and elect from people within the top spots to try and give them a little extra protection? Personally I see this as a great way to reduce the strain on our medics and give roles such as the inventor a longer lifespan. If the inventor turns out to be mafia then we'd known pretty quickly because he wouldn't be inventing stuff that helps the town. In that case he's outed himself and we lynch a scum. The only real damage a mafia mayor can do is with his lynch and even then, if he lynches someone who's been helping the town then we can just lynch him the next day. I see no real downside to making the inventor mayor. The upsides of having a near invincible townie far outweigh the downsides of having to burn a lynch on the mayor. Think about it, the mayor's lynch is going to be closely scrutinized and every invention is going to be scrutinized as well. If the mayor/inventor is scum then they HAVE to do what the town wants in order to stay alive. And even if they're scum and they do whatever we want but get caught by a DT, it's not like the mayor is unlynchable :D If we were doing this then if mafia gets spot 1 they'd just get hero instead of inventor and passes it off to someone else. Now you've got a dude who's unkillable and unlynchable for two days and a mafia team with an inventor tucked away somewhere. Bad idea. | ||
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On October 14 2011 00:46 DropBear wrote: I've already sent it in. Claiming Framer :D In the interest of making 100% sure that we keep the framer role out of the mafia's hands I suggest that someone pick Qatol and then ban it once Dropbear has gotten it. It takes the ambiguity of whether Dropbear is actually mafia or not. I can't think of a single situation where a townie framer would be advantageous that would likely come up that wouldn't just cause more confusion and disruption. | ||
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Framer can be used to redirect actions, like a mindcontroller. So it is extremely useful in town hands. I can make mafia kill each other. It's not the framing that makes the role good. And how would you go about doing this? How would you know who is mafia and who is not? How would you know that that particular mafia is going to be shooting? I assume since each mafia group only has 1 KP and 4 members that it will be RNG-ed between the members. Even if they did control who would go out to carry out the hit, they're just pick someone different to do it. How would you know? Do mafia get to pick which one of them goes to carry out the hit? | ||
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Chaoser For Mayor! I will hunt every scum down. My record in XXXVIII, XXXIX and LOTR speaks for itself. I will lead this town to victory. Vote Chaoser. | ||
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On October 14 2011 12:53 hiro protagonist wrote: I would like to nominate the 3 most active and protown people as of right now, and that would be: Sandroba Jumbo Radfield All three put a lot of effort into organizing town so far. By putting them in public office, We pressure them to keep up there performance. Of the three, I like Sand and Rad the most, Jumbo the least. chaoser or wiggles dont have a platform, so i see no reason to elect them. They could change my mind, if they give me a reason to. My platform is to lead you all to victory, what do you mean by no platform? What's sandroba's/Jimbo's/Radfield's platforms? I don't see any. | ||
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On October 14 2011 13:32 Cyber_Cheese wrote: I'm going to prioritize my vote based on who the mayor will lynch day 1, and the candidates position in the draft order (Alongside filtering out people who seem scummy of course). The draft order thing is because if the person is scum, they are less likely to have a top tier role, and therefore can't abuse their power to the same extent. Any candidates seeking my vote should provide this information Obviously you should vote me since I am both in the middle of the order (albeit low middle) and also have a lynch target. Also, I put up a picture of Mike Haggar. And he is awesome. He can beat up any stupid stick figures and numbers mean nothing to him. | ||
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What I can't understand is running with someone else together for election. I can't understand how someone can inherently trust someone else to be so town that they can automatically. I can't understand trying to force other people not to run by force. + Show Spoiler [Convo with Sandroba about election] + [7:32:40 AM] Sandro Maculan: hahaha [7:33:02 AM] Sandro Maculan: man you think you have a shot at mayor? ... [7:35:36 AM] Chaosers: nvm lol, old game [7:35:41 AM] Chaosers: and yes [7:35:46 AM] Chaosers: i think i have a shot at mayor [7:35:52 AM] Chaosers: why would i not have a shot at mayor? [7:36:03 AM] Chaosers: if i didn't think i had a shot at mayor i wouldn't be running [7:36:05 AM] Sandro Maculan: cuz you have no presence in thread =P [7:36:23 AM] Sandro Maculan: as opposed to me/rad/jimbo [7:37:17 AM] Chaosers: so by that logic mig shouldn't have a shot either [7:37:23 AM] Chaosers: syllo either [7:37:25 AM] Sandro Maculan: yes [7:37:31 AM] Sandro Maculan: but I'm supporting him [7:37:36 AM] Sandro Maculan: and I can convince many [7:37:38 AM] Sandro Maculan: =P [7:37:41 AM] Chaosers: go ahead [7:37:53 AM] Chaosers: why are you tryign to scare me off from running? ... [7:41:07 AM] Chaosers: right now you're literally saying, no one should run except syllo and mig [7:41:21 AM] Sandro Maculan: people may say I'm sure XY is mafia I'm not voting him [7:41:22 AM] Chaosers: or implying it [7:41:26 AM] Sandro Maculan: yes [7:41:29 AM] Sandro Maculan: that's what I'm saying I can't understand how this would be one of the main points in convincing someone they are town + Show Spoiler [Syllo/Sandroba convo] + [7:46:58 AM] Sandro Maculan: I know syllo from a long time [7:47:18 AM] Sandro Maculan: let me copy you the thing [7:48:06 AM] Sandro Maculan: [10/13/2011 3:10:55 PM] syllogism: what if i make a 100% guarantee that i'm town, just this once [10/13/2011 3:11:12 PM] Sandro Maculan: huh? [10/13/2011 3:11:14 PM] syllogism: i won't ever use it again in another game because it's kind of destroys my meta [10/13/2011 3:11:38 PM] Sandro Maculan: and you wouldn't do that as mafia [10/13/2011 3:11:47 PM] syllogism: i wouldn't no [10/13/2011 3:11:54 PM] Sandro Maculan: how can I trust that [10/13/2011 3:11:56 PM] Sandro Maculan: ... [10/13/2011 3:12:09 PM] Sandro Maculan: I would lie to you if I was mafia [10/13/2011 3:12:13 PM] syllogism: well the thing is I'm saying I won't do this in the future [10/13/2011 3:12:16 PM] Sandro Maculan: Why would you not? [10/13/2011 3:12:17 PM] syllogism: because it's cheap [10/13/2011 3:12:28 PM] Sandro Maculan: why are you doing it right now [10/13/2011 3:12:34 PM] syllogism: because i feel like it [10/13/2011 3:12:43 PM] Sandro Maculan: okay [10/13/2011 3:12:50 PM] Sandro Maculan: but I will take this personally [10/13/2011 3:12:56 PM] Sandro Maculan: if you are lying like this [10/13/2011 3:13:07 PM] Sandro Maculan: =P [10/13/2011 3:13:31 PM] syllogism: yes exactly, this is why i wouldnt do this as mafia [10/13/2011 3:13:35 PM] syllogism: and which is why i wont do it again [10/13/2011 3:13:40 PM] syllogism: because then i would have to do it as scum too | ||
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I find it really odd that syllo would not be running with Mig's support, rather than the other way around. In fact, I got the impression from both Mig and syllo yesterday that they would BOTH be running, and that syllogism would be the main candidate. That is clearly not the case today. Sorry, I crash the fuck out at like 12PM EST and have been dead/napping on my keyboard/face marked till now. At 12PM EST I was told that Syllo and Mig were running together with Syllo as likely for pardoner and Mig for mayor. Did that change? | ||
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On October 15 2011 06:27 syllogism wrote: Feel free to vote for me, but it doesn't appear likely we've enough votes to elect us both. Obviously if mig can't be elected, I would rather have me as one of the two elected roles. This isn't what Sandroba told me. [5:10:36 PM] Chaosers: is syllo not running anymore? [5:12:40 PM] Sandro Maculan: let me see [5:12:55 PM] Chaosers: and if he isn't [5:12:59 PM] Chaosers: why isn't he running anymore [5:15:05 PM] Sandro Maculan: oh [5:15:11 PM] Sandro Maculan: syllo will only run [5:15:16 PM] Sandro Maculan: if we can get both elected [5:15:23 PM] Chaosers: we both? [5:15:26 PM] Chaosers: you and him? [5:15:28 PM] Chaosers: what happened to mig? [5:15:29 PM] Sandro Maculan: if it looks like we can't only mig will run [5:15:31 PM] Sandro Maculan: no [5:15:36 PM] Sandro Maculan: mig and syllo [5:15:51 PM] Sandro Maculan: if we can get them both elected [5:15:52 PM] Chaosers: why doesn't he run regardless? [5:16:01 PM] Sandro Maculan: I dunno [5:16:04 PM] Chaosers: how can you ensure someone will get elected unless you run? [5:16:05 PM] Sandro Maculan: he doesn't want to spread [5:16:12 PM] Sandro Maculan: and run thin on votes I guess | ||
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On October 15 2011 07:04 hiro protagonist wrote: My logic is that mayor and pardoner will be under alot of scrutiny, and without a solid way of hiding the fact that your mafia, there is not as much incentive for grabbing the big seat. Those thinking that agent of chaos/ackbar or suicide roles for mayor are good for mafia should realize that the game is to be the last one standing, not "kill as many people that visit me/and I die as well" but as bugs pointed out, there are alot of combos. maybe more than he posted or that I thought of. so now Im not so sure. I remember someone said that mayor is DT checkable but when I filter Prot I don't see him say this at all. If the mayor isn't DT checkable then that's a solid way of hiding. | ||
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Ok thanks, I was looking for mayor and not elected officials. | ||
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I'm willing to lynch DropBear off his horrible Framer idea and then his defense for not letting it get banned. His logic is weak as fuck for his defense: [13:23] <DropBear> you guys need to think outside the box [13:23] <DropBear> there are 43% mafia in this game [13:24] <DropBear> i will be negating them [13:24] <DropBear> it is easy [13:24] <DropBear> i simply dont use my role the first couple of days [13:24] <DropBear> and use it later on when there are strong suspects [13:24] <DropBear> and redirect their actions [13:24] <kitaman27_> how do we know you're not using your role? [13:25] <chaoser> what makes you think you'll survive the first couple of days? [13:25] <chaoser> what makes you think you won't be roleblocked? [13:25] <mudkip> nobody sees the third party but you say you are [13:25] <chaoser> and then we're fucked [13:25] <kitaman27_> you could be masking scum as town and we would never know [13:25] <chaoser> cause do we believe you were actually roleblocked [13:25] <chaoser> or that you are lying [13:25] <mudkip> and if you dont get it should we just innately believe you [13:25] <chaoser> if you say you were thief-ed then what? [13:25] <chaoser> what about role swap? [13:25] <mudkip> theres too many things that can go wrong with town choosing framer [13:25] <chaoser> how are you goign to stop those? [13:26] <DropBear> ok [13:26] <DropBear> lets say i pick doctor [13:26] <DropBear> what happens if i get theifed? [13:26] <DropBear> or roleswapped? [13:26] <DropBear> the same fucking thing lol [13:26] <chaoser> if you pick doctor you wouln't be fucking claiming it in thread [13:26] <DropBear> what happens if i choose cupid? [13:32] <DropBear> kita [13:32] <DropBear> where does it say [13:32] <DropBear> that mafia kp is not redirected [13:32] <chaoser> i just posted [13:32] <chaoser> in thread [13:32] <DropBear> oh [13:32] <DropBear> thanks [13:32] <DropBear> well then fuck framer lol [13:33] <DropBear> that was the whole idea i had [13:33] <DropBear> fuck i gotta choose something different now -_- [13:33] <kitaman27_> the purpose of you taking it was for role denail [13:33] <kitaman27_> not because it was good for town Kita first introduced the idea for framer to be picked to deny it to mafia/honesty check. Dropbear quotes it and immediately says he wants to do it. I suggest that if he picks it that we should ban it from him to get it out of the game and immediately he is very much against it when it's a very protown thing to do. He then uses shitty logic and doesn't give up until the final real reason (redirecting KP) is shown to be impossible. | ||
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On October 14 2011 02:16 chaoser wrote: And how would you go about doing this? How would you know who is mafia and who is not? How would you know that that particular mafia is going to be shooting? I assume since each mafia group only has 1 KP and 4 members that it will be RNG-ed between the members. Even if they did control who would go out to carry out the hit, they're just pick someone different to do it. How would you know? Do mafia get to pick which one of them goes to carry out the hit? I posted this as a question to him and he never responds to it, only that he can do it and asking where it says he can't redirect KP | ||
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On October 15 2011 11:19 wherebugsgo wrote: Raise your hand if you believe chaoser is scum and is using bad logic to try and get a possible townie lynched + Show Spoiler + o/ Says the guy who tried to mine me for info and then when I asked him back he declined to reply. So who would you rather lynch? hiro? | ||
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On October 15 2011 11:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: You've been rather defensive in your last several posts wbg. Rather than acting like you're above us all, why don't you tell us who you want to lynch since it seems like you have someone in mind. I think he's trying to say that he wants to lynch me | ||
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First off, sorry for my poor play. I could go on and on about excuses of having had also no time (which I already have with WBG and Mig) and no sleep (even spelling wary as weary -_-) but that doesn't do anything so here I go with putting in some effort. Defense One of the main points that WBG brings up against me is that I am usually a very consistent and forceful player. I attack people I think that are scum vehemetly and don't let up. He states that I am not doing as such. The two main examples he uses to support this is my giving up on the dropbear case and also my apparent change of heart on sandroba for syllo and no longer supporting radfield. In that regard, I'm going to write out my entire logical pathway for this game from the start till now and show that though I haven't been very forceful (A matter of not having enough time and being tired and muddled in the head), I have had a logical train of thought. It'll probably be flow of conciousness though so if you have any questions feel free to PM me as I'll be free till 6-9 PM tonight (last shift for a few weeks! yayyy) One of the main reasons of the supposed discontinuiaty of my stance is due to the fact that not everything is in thread nor am I good at/had the time to express my line of thought to people in PMs. In the very beginning, my thoughts were that Radfield is a vet player and he was contributing in thread. From my exprience in LOTR, it is very easy to see if radfield is mafia or not as the game goes on as long as he contributes (That's why I shot him night two). By putting him into office, it would force him to continue contributing and thus make it easy to find out if he is mafia or not. This was before I went to the hospital on my shift. On the way there I realized that would still mean a scum in office and even if it did lead to me figuring out he was scum, it didn't mean that would be the case for everyone (no one else shot him night two of LOTR even though there was like 3 vigi left in the game). I realized my idea of putting them into office->they have to contribute a lot->it would be easy to control/figure out they were mafia was flawed in that regard. So I stratched him off as a good potential mayor to vote for. At the most, he was a null tell for me. At the same time, I realized out of the two I only really thought Sandro was town due to his post in thread pinpointing the fact that this game was about survival and that it was much more important for town to control the survival roles than to deny the mafia. So much so that initially I had no problems with the syllo/sandro connection. I was willing to go along with it. It was only later (next day) that I was like wait a minute...this is seriously wrong. The combo thing I talk about is wherebugsgo saying: <wherebugsgo> so sandroba and radfield were planning on running together? I was very confused and I was like, didn't you jsut say sandroba and radfield were running? since I had just gotten back from the ER and completely forgot about radfield since I had dismissed him as a decent mafia candidate(if you look at the log there's a 3 hour gap where I'm missing.). Notice how it's not him posting my quote, it's me posting my quote so unless I just decided to prove to WBG that I was contradicting myself, which makes no sense, it more in line with me being out of it. I realized I was confusing the two different ideas and so I tried to clarify myself by writing down what my thoughts were all together: [22:48] <chaoser> i meant to say that if i had to vote otherwise besides myself i would vote sand or rad but that i didn't fully 100% trust either one of them. I believe sandroba to be townish and radfield I'm not sure about, hence why previously I had said a null read on him. At the time, those were the only two people I were thinking and I didn't notice syllo at all. After talkign to sandroba about it, I reread syllo's posts and they seemed decently protownie to me. That is why [00:00] <wherebugsgo> hmm okay [00:01] <wherebugsgo> I guess that makes sense' WBG agrees with me. My conversation with Sandroba later on shows how out of it I really am: I first started with a conversation with Sandroba where he tried to convince me that syllo was the best choice for office and that I should drop out. At this time I still thought Sandro was town but over the night shift was vexed more and more by his immense support of syllo's run for office. I asked him why he trusted syllo and he c/p-ed his reason for trusting syllo (100% town this game only card) of which I thought was borderline cheating. (rule 9). Sandroba even acknowledges this: [7:50:50 AM] Sandro Maculan: but I can't help but accept it [7:51:04 AM] Sandro Maculan: it's cheesy as fuck [7:52:23 AM] Sandro Maculan: it's against the spirit of the game I PMed GM asking if he thought it was a big enough issue to bring to the hosts and he said it wasn't. But I was still conformtable with it and I still didn't trust him (syllo) at this point, especially after he committed what I viewed as something that was almost illegal. I had yet to talk to him yet and he hadn't made a solid impression to me in thread. Add in the fact that other people aside from Sandroba (Arctocod) were pushing people to not run and succeeding made me even more suspicious of syllo. + Show Spoiler + [8:55:04 AM] Sandro Maculan: hmm not much really [8:55:13 AM] Sandro Maculan: I'm just trying to get those guys elected [8:56:48 AM] Chaosers: that's where i have the problem [8:59:47 AM] Sandro Maculan: how so [9:00:02 AM] Sandro Maculan: don't you just agreed with me that syllo is town [9:00:55 AM] Chaosers: two people with 0% thread prescene all of a sudden run TOGETHER with multiple people vouching for their towness and also trying to force other peopel not to run? [10/14/2011 9:01:10 AM] Sandro Maculan: well [10/14/2011 9:01:13 AM] Sandro Maculan: that was mostly me [10/14/2011 9:01:16 AM] Sandro Maculan: lol [10/14/2011 9:01:23 AM] Sandro Maculan: I'm getting them a lot of support [10/14/2011 9:01:33 AM] Chaosers: archod or whatever [10/14/2011 9:01:37 AM] Chaosers: is also trying to make me not run [10/14/2011 9:01:39 AM] Sandro Maculan: yeah [10/14/2011 9:01:43 AM] Sandro Maculan: that was syllo [10/14/2011 9:01:46 AM] Sandro Maculan: wasn't me [10/14/2011 9:01:54 AM] Sandro Maculan: oh is he [10/14/2011 9:02:22 AM] Sandro Maculan: jimbo is considering stepping down aswell Sandro then claims that my logic goes from he is cheating to you are lying: [10/14/2011 9:05:45 AM] Sandro Maculan: well [10/14/2011 9:05:56 AM] Sandro Maculan: it's funny how you went from that is cheating [10/14/2011 9:06:02 AM] Sandro Maculan: to you must be lying when I hadn't at all said anything about lying. I merely stated that I had a problem with the happenings surrounding sandro/syllo/mig at that point. + Show Spoiler + [10/14/2011 9:06:15 AM] Chaosers: well GM cleared up some things for me [10/14/2011 9:06:25 AM] Chaosers: and since he beleives it not to be cheating [10/14/2011 9:06:28 AM] Chaosers: and i trust him [10/14/2011 9:06:46 AM] Sandro Maculan: then how do you not trust the info now [10/14/2011 9:06:50 AM] Chaosers: i believe it to be the next thing which is that i can't trust thigns at face value [10/14/2011 9:07:17 AM] Chaosers: Not really, if he were scum he could do the same thing, "I promisie I'm town guys!!!!" is not exactly convincing, if you are really concerned about it PM Protac/Incognito and get his judgement on it. Like if I were town I would not buy this "guarantee" at all. [10/14/2011 9:07:48 AM] Sandro Maculan: I wouldn't buy it from most people [10/14/2011 9:08:29 AM] Chaosers: ok and you can understand that i'm 1) not you 2) haven't had the same conversations that you did with syllo 3) am trying to paly this game to the best of MY abilities with the information I have before me [10/14/2011 9:09:11 AM] Chaosers: and so i am unable and unwilling to buy into your extreme level of trust for a person I've barely even spoken to based purely on your words [10/14/2011 9:09:14 AM] Sandro Maculan: yes I do [10/14/2011 9:09:24 AM] Sandro Maculan: but what read do you have on me so far [10/14/2011 9:09:42 AM] Chaosers: i read you as town but jsut becaus you are town doesn't mean you are right [10/14/2011 9:10:25 AM] Sandro Maculan: yes but don't you trust my judgment on people I know extremelly well [10/14/2011 9:10:32 AM] Sandro Maculan: and I know wouldn't lie to me in that spot [10/14/2011 9:11:05 AM] Sandro Maculan: if he was mafia he wouldn't do that shit [10/14/2011 9:11:12 AM] Sandro Maculan: syllo wouldn't even say he was town [10/14/2011 9:11:18 AM] Sandro Maculan: in personality mafia [10/14/2011 9:11:26 AM] Sandro Maculan: it is a fact man [10/14/2011 9:11:37 AM] Chaosers: not at all, qatol and dreamflower technically know each other best but they've been wrong in their judgement of each other before. gm and barundar played three games with me and they were extremely comfortable with me having played as mafia with me as well as town in a row, and i got them to trust me when i was mafia [10/14/2011 9:11:38 AM] Sandro Maculan: he was so disturbed talking to me and having to lie [10/14/2011 9:11:47 AM] Sandro Maculan: he considered suiciding me night one [10/14/2011 9:11:58 AM] Sandro Maculan: so he didn't have to deal with it [10/14/2011 9:12:20 AM] Chaosers: i didn't know being a shitty mafia and then changing one's play was a town-tell now [10/14/2011 9:12:28 AM] Chaosers: so basically in any PM game [10/14/2011 9:12:31 AM] Chaosers: syllo can jsut talk to people [10/14/2011 9:12:39 AM] Chaosers: and gt an auto town confirm? [10/14/2011 9:13:44 AM] Sandro Maculan: well he can't do it anymore [10/14/2011 9:13:49 AM] Sandro Maculan: since he would be auto mafia [10/14/2011 9:14:00 AM] Sandro Maculan: any other time he didn't do this [10/14/2011 9:14:33 AM] Chaosers: why would he be auto mafia? [10/14/2011 9:14:45 AM] Chaosers: if he's mafia in this game [10/14/2011 9:14:49 AM] Sandro Maculan: because if he does that evey game he is town [10/14/2011 9:14:52 AM] Chaosers: why would he be auto mafia in another game [10/14/2011 9:14:52 AM] Chaosers: for lying [10/14/2011 9:14:55 AM] Chaosers: about a promise [10/14/2011 9:14:56 AM] Chaosers: in this game? [10/14/2011 9:14:58 AM] Sandro Maculan: well he is not [10/14/2011 9:15:04 AM] Sandro Maculan: he wouldn't lie like that [10/14/2011 9:15:15 AM] Sandro Maculan: I know him well man [10/14/2011 9:15:27 AM] Sandro Maculan: he would just never mention it [10/14/2011 9:18:22 AM] Chaosers: ... At this point you can start to see that my logic is starting to get muddled as I don't call him out on any of his loggical infallacies in thread nor do I make a big deal out of it as I normally do, in particular, this one where he tries to convince me that because I thought he was town I should trust him that syllo is town: [10/14/2011 9:09:14 AM] Sandro Maculan: yes I do [10/14/2011 9:09:24 AM] Sandro Maculan: but what read do you have on me so far [10/14/2011 9:09:42 AM] Chaosers: i read you as town but jsut becaus you are town doesn't mean you are right [10/14/2011 9:10:25 AM] Sandro Maculan: yes but don't you trust my judgment on people I know extremelly well [10/14/2011 9:10:32 AM] Sandro Maculan: and I know wouldn't lie to me in that spot [10/14/2011 9:11:05 AM] Sandro Maculan: if he was mafia he wouldn't do that shit This isn't me being a scum protecting another scum by not bringing this fact up in thread, this is me being a shitty player. If I was in any sort of sound mental state I would have immediately posted this in thread and been like WTF? and get me some towncred. Anyway, so we keep talking and after a while I start buying into the whole syllo is town thing for god knows what reason. Part of it was because I somehow still thought sandro was town at this point and also because I was still stuck up/mentally jarred by the 100%-town card thing as can be seen in my end convo with him: + Show Spoiler + [10/14/2011 10:36:10 AM] Chaosers: wouldn't it be easier to run yourself? [10/14/2011 10:36:55 AM] Sandro Maculan: I have my reasons for not running [10/14/2011 10:37:05 AM] Sandro Maculan: I followed my own plan [10/14/2011 10:38:14 AM] Chaosers: ah [10/14/2011 10:38:15 AM] Chaosers: got it [10/14/2011 10:39:41 AM] Chaosers: ok i can get why you trust syllo now but why did he trust you enoguh to use his "100% town card"? [10/14/2011 10:41:23 AM] Sandro Maculan: that I don't know [10/14/2011 10:41:38 AM] Sandro Maculan: maybe by thread? [10/14/2011 10:41:52 AM] Sandro Maculan: I don't think I'm good scum [10/14/2011 10:41:55 AM] Sandro Maculan: I'm obvious as fuck as town [10/14/2011 12:44:15 PM] Chaosers: do you acknowledge [10/14/2011 12:44:20 PM] Chaosers: what syllo did [10/14/2011 12:44:29 PM] Chaosers: was borderline unacceptable? [10/14/2011 12:45:09 PM] Sandro Maculan: hmm [10/14/2011 12:45:16 PM] Sandro Maculan: I aknowledge it's cheap [10/14/2011 12:49:16 PM] Chaosers: acknowledge that it is unacceptable and i'll agree to your plan [10/14/2011 12:49:52 PM] Sandro Maculan: lol [10/14/2011 12:50:07 PM] Sandro Maculan: I wouldn't do it [10/14/2011 12:50:26 PM] Sandro Maculan: but I don't think it's "unacceptable" [10/14/2011 12:50:44 PM] Sandro Maculan: it's botherline cheating I'll give you that [10/14/2011 12:50:51 PM] Sandro Maculan: borderlie* [10/14/2011 12:50:52 PM] Sandro Maculan: wow [10/14/2011 12:50:53 PM] Chaosers: ok [10/14/2011 12:50:58 PM] Sandro Maculan: borderline [10/14/2011 12:51:18 PM] Chaosers: i'm willing to withdraw I am so muddled and not thinking straight that I completely buy into the sandroba/syllo are probably town since syllo "cheated" and during the time I first saw it I bought into the "he cheated, he's probably town" argument which is why I pmed GM about it. So much so that even though previously I was really suspicious of the trust level, I was willing to go along with it. Even if you did say I was merely pushing an agenda, what agenda was I pushing? I'd understand if you think sandroba and I were on the same team and thus I would lie about my opinions on him to others by saying I support him and ignore radfield but clearly in this case I'm not connected to sandroba at all given how our conversation went down. Seriously look at my play and ask yourself is this chaoser trying to be scummy or is this chaoser being tired as fuck and not being able to fully place his time into the game. If you want an example of me being busy as fuck and not being fully into the game go look at PYP Insane. I was Townie DT in that setup and everyone thought I was scummy. I gave shitty cases and my opinions on people looked like they wavered back in forth in thread because I had neither the time nor mental capacity at the time to post all my thought as they were coming up to paint a coherent and consistent picture. some cases against me in that thread: Also because I'm in the mood, I'll answer your questions. 1.) Chaoser- this might seem OMGUS, but his vote on me is entirely out of character, chaoser never just goes for an "easy" vote, yet he jumped on me for what I see as poor reasoning, something is off Time constraints aside (and he hypothetically made time to 'catch up' on the thread after he announced the completion of his interview), this isn't the Chaoser from XXXVIII. He's not being inactive; he's lurking. And all good marines kill lurkers on sight. I'm sorry if I'm bringing up past games again but I feel like this is a justifiable case of showing that I act exactly the same way when I'm preoccupied by life/medical school + not getting enough sleep. Looking back on it all now with +9 hours of sleep in my body, I should have seen that sandroba was being extremely scummy from the get go. I'll post up my DB case in the next post. Oh and the whole "running a mayor campaign based on past games is hardly an arguement since the campaign was barely run cause I had no time to run one and I withdraw really early on (Friday afternoon). That frst post was clearly a post written lightheartedly. I thought I would have had more time when I first started to flesh out my platform but that ended up not being the case. | ||
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When he had first started talking about framer it was in response to kita's posst about denying it/honesty checking it. After he found out he couldn't redirect KPs he states: + Show Spoiler + [14:58] <chaoser> [13:30] <kitaman27_> I told him he wouldn't be allowed to use his framer and he replied: [14:58] <chaoser> [13:30] <kitaman27_> [11:20] <DropBear> for redirection [11:21] <DropBear> and for teh lulz [14:58] <chaoser> [13:32] <DropBear> kita [14:58] <chaoser> [13:32] <DropBear> where does it say [14:58] <chaoser> [13:32] <DropBear> that mafia kp is not redirected [14:58] <chaoser> [13:32] <chaoser> i just posted [14:58] <chaoser> [13:32] <chaoser> in thread [14:58] <chaoser> [13:32] <DropBear> oh [14:58] <chaoser> [13:32] <DropBear> thanks [14:58] <chaoser> [13:32] <DropBear> well then fuck framer lol [14:58] <chaoser> [13:33] <DropBear> that was the whole idea i had [14:58] <chaoser> [13:33] <DropBear> fuck i gotta choose something different now -_- [14:58] <chaoser> [13:33] <kitaman27_> the purpose of you taking it was for role denail [14:58] <chaoser> [13:33] <kitaman27_> not because it was good for town Kita calls him out on it. I posted the case on him in a hurry becauase I had a lot of thoughts at the time already on the game and wanted to put my thoughts out in the thread for people to see because I was already worried I wasn't doing that very well due to being busy (Notice how instead of making actual arguments against people I had previously just posted a whole bunch of PMs? Even dropbear's case was basically me going here, read this, it is scummy) Immediately afterwards I talked to Mig and Jackal about it and through the thinking it out process I realized that not only was it weak but that it was potentially tied to something foolishness had said earlier. So I dropped it: + Show Spoiler + [22:15] <chaosers> what about dropbear? [22:15] <Jackal58> I didn't say he was smart [22:15] <chaosers> well like [22:15] <chaosers> it was REALLY ba logic [22:15] <chaosers> bad [22:15] <Jackal58> I think DB is prob town [22:15] <chaosers> seriously/?? [22:15] <Jackal58> He tried a really stupid gambit [22:16] <chaosers> if DB is town then foolishness is probably town then since i tihnk they were trying to work together on the gambit [22:16] <chaosers> which is why foolishness was all like there's a 5th party! in IRC [22:16] <Jackal58> I missed that [22:17] <chaosers> [23:04] <Foolishness> I heard talk about a 5th faction [22:17] <chaosers> [23:04] <chaoser> that was dropbear [22:17] <chaosers> [23:04] <chaoser> saying he'd frame someone [22:17] <chaosers> [23:04] <chaoser> as the third party [22:17] <chaosers> [23:04] <@kitaman27> he was talking nonsense [22:17] <chaosers> [23:04] <chaoser> when ther is none [22:17] <chaosers> [23:04] <Foolishness> no no [22:17] <chaosers> [23:04] <Foolishness> it wasn't from him [22:17] <chaosers> [23:04] <chaoser> there's a hidden 5th faction? [22:17] <chaosers> [23:04] <chaoser> wtf [22:17] <chaosers> [23:04] <@kitaman27> who was it from? [22:17] <chaosers> [23:05] <Meapak> foolishness... [22:17] <chaosers> [23:05] <Foolishness> hmm I really don't want to say, but it sounded legit [22:17] <chaosers> [23:05] <Meapak> ARE YOU THE FACTION? [22:17] <chaosers> [23:05] <Foolishness> like I thought it was someone being like [22:17] <chaosers> [23:05] <Meapak> lol [22:17] <chaosers> [23:05] <Foolishness> LOL IM THE NEW BROWN PARTY KEKEKE [22:19] <Jackal58> lmao [22:20] <Jackal58> That changes DBs post in the thread a little bit. [22:22] <chaosers> what do you mean?/ [22:22] <Jackal58> lemme find it. [22:22] <chaosers> kk [22:24] <Jackal58> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11818175 [22:25] <Jackal58> That's the post I was talking about. [22:25] <chaosers> yaeh i know lol I can't find the Mig log for some reason but I'm sure he can corroborate that we did talk about dropbear and I did mention the foolishness thing | ||
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From: Arctocod [ 14 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Hello Chaoser Date: 10/15/11 22:26 You seem to be in a bit of a pickle. Half of town wants to lynch you. I am inclined to agree. I think now would be the time to prove to me that you have a town-oriented role. Why not just ask in thread for me to reveal my role for all of town to see instead? | ||
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On October 16 2011 03:52 heist wrote: I'll be keeping my vote on Radfield. None of this, I PMed him. He comes across as town. If you are running for mayor I want you posting in the thread itself. The mayors at least should be leaving a mark on the thread, being active, contributing. Mig and Greymist, I feel like you two are feeling secure that you have a couple people believing you're town and doing pretty minimal stuff in the actual forum. I can't tell what you guys really are because you aren't active enough in-thread. Do I know you guys are town? No. I can't just trust others telling me Greymist is town based on their conversations. And you guys expect me to have PM conversations in order judge for myself. Rather I expect you guys to start posting more in thread to more accurately gauge your alignments. Radfield, at least, has been doing just that and even though he is better than most at hiding his mafia alignment, he's one of the most active players in thread right now and a really good scum-hunter. if he's better at hiding his mafia alignment why would you vote for him even if he is active??? How do the two cancel each other out??? | ||
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On October 16 2011 04:05 heist wrote: and the other candidates? they aren't exactly exuding townie to me. And that implies that no matter what Radfield does, he needs to be killed off immediately since he's so unreadable. ??? So why would you vote him into a office that basically prevents him from getting killed on night cycles if he needs to be killed off immediately and he's unreadable? How would you read someone to decide if he's mafia or not if he's unreadable? | ||
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No, it hasn't. My play in this game most closely resembles my play in PYP Insane in which Ver says: 11. Chaoser [2][2] Modern DT 2/10 A far cry from your impeccable performance in the previous game, I was left scratching my head wondering if you were even the same person even taking into account busyness etc. Not sending in a check night 2 also hurt considerably, and poo-pooing the voterigger/mafia 2 dt plan is definitely not good. In addition, you downplayed dreamflower's case vs Ace and were part of the group sided with Ace over Incognito which severely crippled the town days 1 and 2. Revealing your role and being completely transparent later on in the game when you were under a lot of fire was definitely the right move and helped the town avoid a disastrous mislynch. On the whole I felt you lacked the time to properly analyze and think things through because you had a lot of evidence right in front of you that you even acknowledged in your posts but reached the wrong conclusions with it. I was Townie DT in that game. | ||
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The first post of his that stood out to me was: also after rednkted's last post i just realized that with town going for prot roles, people will be free to derp it up all they want What??? But from playing with him in LOTR I understand that he has word vomit so I understand if he's just being stupid but... not only does he ask for a coach before the game started: On October 12 2011 04:07 prplhz wrote: @GMarshal you up for some light coaching too? i just noticed that there are no coaches attached to this game at all but he also jsut agrees with everyone and says nothing original: On October 14 2011 06:43 prplhz wrote: i like the idea of narrowing down the candidates and then threatening them with having them dt checked. mafia are surely going to try to get one of theirs elected if they can and while pardoner is stronger than mayor, mayor is still storng. if we narrow down the range of people who are candidates mafia can't just suddenly vote in a pardoner in the last second by switching a single vote or something like that. On October 13 2011 06:46 prplhz wrote: i like this these are the most beneficial roles for town and if we can't have them then a red lynch would be nice in compensation having top5 pick leaves too much room for shenanigans also i don't hope that there will be a ton of people with a suppressed batman inside who will get into top3/5 and then pick another role because they "always wanted to be like qatol" or something like that also i'm picking [1][1] so no one else pick that please, i'll invent you many good inventions promiss On October 14 2011 22:20 prplhz wrote: you know while the mayor needs to be someone town, the pardoner is going to be held very accountable. we should lynch the pardoner the second he doesn't do exactly what we tell him to so i think pardoner needs to be expendable. When it was said wayyy earlier On October 12 2011 19:42 Radfield wrote: Pardoner is a threat, but if they ever use their power inappropriately they get lynched. Scary in the endgame, and needs to be eliminated before we get down to 6-8 players, but for now it is an excellent insurance policy against the Vote Rigger and Showtime!. All of these have been said by many many other people. Finally, prphlz was townie in LOTR which was last game. If you read over his posts you'll notice that he tunnels everyone he feels like mafia, being very active about expressing his opinions on who he thinks is mafia. In this game? On October 15 2011 09:14 prplhz wrote: can we do some scum hunting? this is all getting lost in electing people and that's very important, but usually we'd use 48 hours to talk about who is scum and who isn't. right now there's not enough of that from the candidates for election. Never does any scum hunting. | ||
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On October 16 2011 04:49 GreYMisT wrote: Even though chaoser is still a highly suspicious player at this moment, his points here are actually something I agree on. I have been talking with a number of people about prplhz's behavior this game, but was holding off on any analysis until he spoke up a bit more or gave any sort of opinion. So prplhz, what are your thoughts on the game thus far? a lot has come up since the last time you gave your opinion. When I have time I have good posts, who knew? | ||
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On October 16 2011 04:48 heist wrote: chaoser somehow took my statement as me wanting to kill radfield if he's better at hiding his mafia alignment why would you vote for him even if he is active??? How do the two cancel each other out??? How does that imply that I want radfield killed off? You said, Radfield is really good at hiding his mafia alignment. But he is active and he can scum hunt. So you want to vote for him. But the two things don't cancel each other out. Being active and being good at scum hunting doesn't balance out the fact that he is good at hiding that he's mafia. In fact, in this set up it's even worse since those two things help him hide that he is mafia. The only real reason you would want to vote for someone is because you think they are town. | ||
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On October 16 2011 05:04 heist wrote: no you imply that I want radfield to be killed off Where do I imply that you want radfield to be killed off? You first imply that I imply that radfield should be killed off when I said no such thing. I merely said that the two points you try to put forward as reasons why you are voting for radfield are extremely flawed, don't hold up to examination, and says nothing about why you actually want to vote for radfield. | ||
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On October 16 2011 05:06 heist wrote: I would agree with not electing Radfield if I thought with a much greater certainty Mig or Greymist was town. You didn't say this though. You didn't say, i think radfield is more likely town than mig or greymist. you tried to say that you want to vote him cause he is a good scum hunter and that he is active. An you try to excuse his "being good at hiding his mafia alignment" with a non-reason. | ||
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On October 16 2011 04:05 heist wrote: and the other candidates? they aren't exactly exuding townie to me. And that implies that no matter what Radfield does, he needs to be killed off immediately since he's so unreadable. What are you saying in this statement? | ||
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My previous post? or your post? What sounds ridiculous, you're making less and less sense btw. | ||
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On October 16 2011 05:18 heist wrote: Who is the player that is contributing, staying active, logical and generally acting as a townie should? IMO it's Radfield. Perhaps other people disagree, but what is almost everyone's reason from going against him? He's really good at seeming townie as mafia. With this attitude, might as well kill him now [sarcasm]. You didn't answer my question...Which post implied that he should be killed? my previous post or one of your posts? | ||
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On October 16 2011 05:18 heist wrote: left out the word best in there somewhere oh and that "implying" is from my post Can you quote the post that is implying that he should be killed? | ||
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On October 16 2011 05:22 heist wrote: I guess it was your post if he's better at hiding his mafia alignment why would you vote for him even if he is active??? I'm not implying you want him dead. I'm saying if you follow this train of thought, you might as well just go the extreme and kill him off. So do you go to the extreme with every single statement like that? I didn't see you ever do a logical jump like this in LOTR and there was a lot of things that happened in that game that had a train of thought that could have been followed to the extremes. | ||
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On October 16 2011 07:03 wherebugsgo wrote: It's clear that we can't get Radfield off the platform. (or, rather, I can't) So, instead, I'd prefer Mig to 100% get the mayor role. So, I've switched my vote to Mig. I'd rather have Mig as Mayor and be assured that we know who the bodyguards are than have Radfield as mayor and be unsure. Wait...so you're more sure Mig is town...but want to give radfield the stronger role for mafia if he's mafia? | ||
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I felt thats what basically happened between us after I pretty much gave you my gameplan What happened between us when did you give me your gameplan? Our PM conversation is: + Show Spoiler + [17:03] <chaoser> hi [17:03] <chaoser> what up batman [17:08] <bumatlarge> hey chaoser [17:08] <chaoser> are you going to rule for election? [17:09] <chaoser> and what do you think about dropbear? [17:10] <bumatlarge> i am not running for election [17:10] <bumatlarge> i think he is dumb [17:11] <chaoser> lol [17:11] <chaoser> any scum reads? [17:11] <bumatlarge> do i think mafia would publicly claim framer then realize whatever plan he had in mind was going to fail utterly? [17:11] <bumatlarge> probably not [17:11] <bumatlarge> uhhhhh no [17:11] <bumatlarge> none [17:11] <bumatlarge> i dont do scumread in the beginning of PYP games [17:11] <chaoser> =[ [17:11] <chaoser> why are you useless!!!!!!!! [17:12] <chaoser> exclamation point! [17:12] <bumatlarge> ill be useful later [17:12] <bumatlarge> when i fakeclaim [17:12] <bumatlarge> :D [17:13] <bumatlarge> oh ace is smurfing right? [17:13] <bumatlarge> as jimbo? [17:13] <bumatlarge> or is that not confirmed? [17:14] <chaoser> unconfirmed [17:14] <chaoser> i dunno, jimbo hasn't been calling peopel stupid enough [17:15] <chaoser> i feel like any smurf ace plays [17:15] <bumatlarge> maybe [17:15] <chaoser> sooner or later the urge to call people stupid [17:15] <bumatlarge> ace plans on grabbing the role ace as jimbo [17:15] <chaoser> would overpower his will to stay smurfinh [17:15] <bumatlarge> so that he has two explanations [17:15] <bumatlarge> to his behavior :d [17:15] <chaoser> lololol [17:15] <chaoser> did he say that? [17:15] <bumatlarge> nah but [17:15] <bumatlarge> it would be funny [17:15] <chaoser> that woul be hilarious [17:19] <bumatlarge> what role should I pick [17:19] <bumatlarge> I'm gonna do one in the list I made [17:19] <bumatlarge> but im torn [17:20] <chaoser> what number are you? [17:20] <bumatlarge> 15 [17:21] <chaoser> oh [17:21] <chaoser> damn =/ [17:21] <chaoser> lol [17:21] <chaoser> i'd suggest a defensive role [17:21] <chaoser> so you can scum hunt [17:22] <chaoser> or [17:22] <chaoser> ace [17:22] <chaoser> lol [17:23] <bumatlarge> pick ace [17:23] <bumatlarge> invent lies [17:23] <chaoser> i don't get his lies part [17:23] <bumatlarge> im sure they would give a lot of breathing room [17:23] <bumatlarge> like sarcasm could be a loophole [17:24] <bumatlarge> DONT BE SARCASTIC CHAOSER [17:24] <chaoser> OK [17:24] <chaoser> I WONT [17:26] <chaoser> who ya gonna vot for? [17:45] <bumatlarge> no clue [17:45] <chaoser> you're just a box of mysteries aren't you [17:46] <bumatlarge> the night does not reveal his secrets Session Close: Thu Oct 13 18:36:10 2011 You never contact me ever again. What about my recent posts after the fact? I'm not busy anymore and I clearly explain that I was busy and show that I had acted in a similar way in a previous game where I was super busy. | ||
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[15:34] <chaoser> hi mig [15:34] <Mig__> hey hey [15:34] <Mig__> I just woke up reading the last few pages of the thread [15:34] <chaoser> are you still going [15:34] <chaoser> ok [15:37] <Mig__> who do you want lynched if not you? [15:37] <chaoser> prplhz [15:37] <chaoser> or sandroba [15:37] <chaoser> i'm writing up [15:37] <chaoser> a case on prplhz [15:37] <chaoser> right now [15:37] <Mig__> prplz is my #2 choice He then asks me to roleclaim to him, implying that if I do I will not be lynched + Show Spoiler + [15:41] <chaoser> did you a my post? [15:41] <Mig__> not yet what did it say? [15:41] <Mig__> still on page 36 [15:41] <chaoser> it's the last post on there [15:41] <chaoser> it's kinda long... [15:47] <Mig__> yea also having 5 people message me slowing it down [15:47] <Mig__> and jimbo/rad write books for every post [15:48] <chaoser> yeah, sure take your time, it's jsut that my posts lead to me being lynched or not by probably you while theirs is trying to get elected [15:50] <Mig__> ok I am reading that post now [15:50] <chaoser> lol [15:50] <chaoser> np [16:03] <chaoser> feel free [16:03] <chaoser> to ask me any questions [16:08] <Mig__> would you be willing to roleclaim? [16:09] <Mig__> you told wbg you have a pro town role [16:09] <chaoser> i'd be willin to role claim to you an you only ... [16:16] <Mig__> yea I am still reading thread [16:16] <chaoser> ok [16:16] <chaoser> so am i stil lbeing lynched? [16:17] <Mig__> I am much less certain Which I do. He is asked on IRC if he was still going to lynch me while I was at work and he responded with a quick yes. [21:04] <chaoser> thanks for lynching me regardless [21:04] <mig___> lol I have to do what I think is best [21:05] <chaoser> how is that the best? [21:05] <chaoser> prphlz is clearly scum [21:05] <mig___> but rad is leading for mayor anyway [21:05] <chaoser> he didn't even post in thread [21:05] <chaoser> and voted [21:05] <mig___> hm I am not sure now [21:05] <chaoser> didn't even mention my case on him [21:05] <chaoser> even though he's clearly active [21:05] <mig___> that is really scummy yea bleh [21:06] <chaoser> whatever, don't say things you don't mean [21:06] <mig___> lol if you had the information I had you would understand [21:06] <mig___> and dont act mad at me lol [21:06] <chaoser> i am mad at you [21:06] <chaoser> cause i didn't have time [21:06] <mig___> why would I intentionally lynch you over prplz if I thought he was scum? [21:06] <chaoser> and then i put in the effort [21:07] <chaoser> i don't know [21:07] <chaoser> why? [21:07] <chaoser> is that a trick question? [21:07] <mig___> well thats what I am asking you I am trying to make what I think is the best decision [21:08] <chaoser> ok so you don't tihnk prp is a good lynch basically [21:08] <mig___> if I am wrong then my bad but its not like I havent talked to you and listened to everything you said [21:08] <chaoser> and that i'm better [21:08] <chaoser> off of what? [21:08] <chaoser> false meta? [21:08] <mig___> yes most likely [21:08] <mig___> no [21:08] <chaoser> then what [21:09] <mig___> basically has to do with his role claim which can most likely be confirmed [21:09] <mig___> but he could be lying it is possible [21:09] <chaoser> i'm a friggin REDACTED [21:09] <mig___> and I agree him not responding to you is super scummy [21:09] <chaoser> you're goign to lynch a damn REDACTED? [21:10] <chaoser> over someone else jsut because "his role can be easily confirmed"? [21:10] <mig___> no its not that [21:10] <mig___> its that his role would potentially be more pro town [21:10] <mig___> like REDACTED great for town I agree [21:10] <mig___> but also great for scum yes? [21:11] <mig___> I mean look I have spent a lot of time looking over everything and talking to 500 people about this shit if I make the incorrect decision then I am sorry [21:14] <mig___> but listen radfield should be back before lynch I will talk to him about everything [21:14] <mig___> to see if prpl would be a better choice [21:28] <chaoser> so you're goign to lynch me, who would be at least helpful in hunting scum, over prp who has been sheeping, says he will hunt but doesn't and has shit play as is present in LOTR [21:33] <mig___> well I am not even mayor atm rad is [21:34] <mig___> but yes I have to consider everyone elses opinion as well [21:34] <mig___> bum/kita/foolish all want to lynch you That last statement's truth I am sure he is 100% lying about seeing as how: [21:00] <chaoser> hey foolish [21:00] <Foolishness> hi [21:00] <chaoser> what do you think about the current election? [21:00] <Foolishness> just added you on skype [21:00] <Foolishness> I think Radfield and Mig need to both stay out of office [21:01] <Foolishness> but unfortunately I don't think that's going to happen [21:01] <chaoser> who are your scum reads? [21:02] <chaoser> well mig isn't bunging on lynching me [21:03] <Foolishness> who does he want to lynch? [21:03] <chaoser> me [21:03] <Foolishness> I think erandorr, heist, and prplhz are all scum ... [21:10] <Foolishness> I'd be fine lynching sandroba though if it's worth anything [21:11] <chaoser> thanks foolish lol [21:11] <chaoser> doubt it'll help now ... [21:27] <chaoser> they're backing bullshit reasons for not lynching prp and lynching me over him [21:28] <Foolishness> really? [21:28] <Foolishness> I'm pretty sure people would be fine lynching prplhz [21:28] <Foolishness> he's not exactly doing very much haha [21:30] <chaoser> he also made me roleclaim to him btw [21:30] <chaoser> implying that if i do i will not be lynched [21:31] <Foolishness> wait [21:31] <Foolishness> who made you roleclaim? [21:31] <chaoser> mig [21:31] <Foolishness> wtf [21:31] <Foolishness> did you tell him? [21:31] <chaoser> well yeah, i didn't want to be lynched [21:31] <Foolishness> and isn't Radfield going to be the one deciding? [21:32] <chaoser> before i was votin for mig [21:32] <chaoser> but he sid he's goign to lynch me [21:32] <chaoser> regardless [21:32] <Foolishness> so I guess you took some mafia-esque role then? [21:32] <chaoser> no [21:32] <Foolishness> or is he just an idiot? [21:32] <chaoser> i took a very protown role [21:33] <Foolishness> does anyone else know about this? [21:33] <chaoser> no [21:33] <chaoser> should i post all of this in thread? [21:33] <Foolishness> well if you don't do it now I'll do it as soon as you die [21:33] <Foolishness> but [21:33] <Foolishness> if you post it in the thread, you'll probably have to claim publicly [21:33] <Foolishness> which I don't know how you feel about doing [21:34] <chaoser> if it can get people to not vote mig into office [21:34] <chaoser> i'd rather die to a scum kp [21:34] <chaoser> than get bulslhit lynched [21:34] <chaoser> [21:34] <mig___> bum/kita/foolish all want to lynch you [21:34] <chaoser> he jsut said that [21:37] <Foolishness> then yes you should post this information in the thread [21:37] <Foolishness> obviously don't claim until you're forced to You need to answer for that inconsistency Mig. | ||
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[21:34] <chaoser> [21:34] <mig___> bum/kita/foolish all want to lynch you Post the logs where all of bum, kita, and foolish think I'm the best lynch for today. | ||
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I have my doubts about the chaoser lynch which I have said multiple times and I have said it to a lot of people, kita, wbg etc. I have been talking to everyone possible about what is the best lynch. So trying to portray this as mig is trying to kill me after I tell him my role is retarded. Really? can you post the logs where everyone possible says I'm the best lynch? Who's said I'm the best lynch? | ||
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On October 16 2011 10:52 Mig wrote: Ok so if someone takes rockstar/bulletproof etc they must also be town? Wtf clearly mafia and town would want his role. As low as I am on the draft list? I'm number 19 btw. | ||
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On October 16 2011 10:53 chaoser wrote: As low as I am on the draft list? I'm number 19 btw. Clearly if I was mafia I'd try for that role and risk being vanilla even though it's was said to be one of the higher roles that should be picked up by town right? | ||
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Here I will just say someone has told me that prplhz claimed vanilla and said he took dreamflower. So not only do you immediately trust this other person but you trust a claim from someone that didn't even give it to you? | ||
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On October 16 2011 11:01 Mig wrote: I don't see why the person would have lied to me about something as random as that. And yes prphz could be lying but then couldn't you also be lying? Why would prplhz lie about taking df that high up? He would be found out ridiculously easily. And my role at my draft order wouldn't be easy to figure out? You said that he could easily prove his role. [21:09] <mig___> basically has to do with his role claim which can most likely be confirmed How can he confirm his vanilla status? | ||
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On October 16 2011 11:06 Mig wrote: It can't be guaranteed but if he became a bg for mayor it at least would be very likely he is telling the truth. Also since DF is a cvig they will have to shoot tonight so if they hit a townie and die and flip and their draft spot is higher than prplz then virtually guaranteed he is telling the truth. Ok so apparently your scum list, which you have talked to multiple people about, has only me and prphlz on it? | ||
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On October 16 2011 01:25 Erandorr wrote: Sorry that I have not been active in the thread as of yet. I want Mig as Mayor for several reasons. For one I know how good of a scumhunter he is. Having someone as strong as him in that position can only benefit us if Mig is town. And I am convinced of that based on all our conversations. He is also not known for being a good scumplayer and for one I just do not think he would put himself in the spotlight as scum. The only real issue I can see there is that Scum in this game can actually legitimatly Scumhunt, and thus make it easier for Mig to fit if he where Mafia. That being said, for me there is no way that he would do something that agressive, especially since he is very open on Skype. He really would be transparent, in my opinion and from a personal point of view, I am jus far better at judgin him than Radfield, for example, who I think would be able to pull this of as Scum. I also like the point Arcto made. Syllo/Mig/Sandro would never play like this if they where on a Scumteam and I too have talked to all of them so much that I am very certain that Mig/Syllo are town and pretty certain that Sandro is, too. Sooo Mig for mayor , yay! As for a Day1 Lynch I really do like Chaoser. I pretty much just agree with Mig on that one and just would like to add that after playing XLIV with him(on a mafia team), it seems very likely to me that he is scum. I also really dislike his pulling out of the mayoral campaign so early. So Chaoser for Day1 lynch, also yay! This post is full of shit. He's posted 4 times in thread. Two of them are of him going LOL | ||
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[10:35:48 PM] Mike Hadfield: and got vanilla Apparently everyone wants dreamflower | ||
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[10:36:05 PM] Mike Hadfield: agreed [10:36:09 PM] Mike Hadfield: you will be shot [10:36:14 PM] Mike Hadfield: so we don't need to lynch you You agreed so you better not lynch me | ||
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[14:00] <DropBear> still no speakee [14:00] <DropBear> you scummy bugger [14:00] <hiro> hey dropbear [14:00] <DropBear> hi hiro [14:00] <hiro> you never said if you got the framer role [14:00] <DropBear> well i didnt [14:00] <DropBear> i didnt choose it [14:00] <DropBear> but chaoser [14:00] <DropBear> claims to know who the framer is [14:00] <hiro> oh, [14:00] <DropBear> i ask him how he knows [14:01] <DropBear> and he goes [14:01] <DropBear> brb [14:01] <DropBear> half an hour later [14:01] <DropBear> he "has to leave" [14:01] <hiro> odd [14:02] <DropBear> and now hes back in here [14:02] <DropBear> and he not speaking [14:02] <DropBear> and his case on me is hilrious [14:02] <DropBear> so wats the go chaoser ??? Session Start: Fri Oct 14 15:39:28 2011 Session Ident: DropBear [15:39] Session Ident: DropBear (QuakeNet, chaoser) (webchat@CPE-124-178-52-119.lns2.pie.bigpond.net.au) [15:39] <DropBear> hi [15:39] <DropBear> what do you think of meapak? [16:41] <chaoser> yo [16:41] <DropBear> bad timeing [16:43] <chaoser> ok [16:43] <chaoser> lol [16:44] <DropBear> im just going to bed [16:44] <DropBear> its 440am [16:44] <DropBear> long story short i want to kill meapak [16:44] <DropBear> pm me what you think of him if you could please Session Close: Fri Oct 14 18:11:42 2011 Session Start: Fri Oct 14 18:11:42 2011 Session Ident: DropBear Session Close: Fri Oct 14 18:23:33 2011 Session Start: Sun Oct 16 11:43:44 2011 Session Ident: DropBear [11:43] Session Ident: DropBear (QuakeNet, chaoser) (webchat@CPE-124-178-158-22.lns4.pie.bigpond.net.au) [11:43] <DropBear> so how do you know who the framer is? Where do I say that?? | ||
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Relevant from dead people QT: Public IRC is just a horrible idea. If you're going to do PMs, you have to use them right. Using IRC just encourages people to go with the flow rather than play deliberately and strategically. The only reasons IRC should be used is to have a private group chat with people you trust, i.e. your mafia team, if you are working in a small town circle, etc. Having a public IRC is just the worst idea ever. Since its public, it might as well be the thread. You can't expect to put any meaningful pressure on anyone in a public IRC any more than you can in the thread. Sure, people have to respond quickly, but if they're logged in to IRC, that means they're prepared to do that. Alternatively they could feign afk, so even that isnt reliable. Since people type line by line instead of in chunks, it is so difficult to keep track of who is saying what, even if everyone is logged in using their true identities. Trying to have a coherent conversation in IRC is just insanity. Now compound that with unverifiable identities in IRC and now there is almost no excuse to justify using it. Unless you have a small group circle that needs to discuss things together, use PMs/IMs/private chats instead. As to impersonation being illegal, well it isn't, and I don't see any reason why it should be. IRC is a public space, you can't just assume its safe to spill your knowledge. Its the players' responsibility to make sure they're talking to who they think they are talking to. The only exception to this would be impersonating someone who isn't playing the game. That is illegal. After the game I will request bans for everyone who was breadcrumbing. Seriously it just happened last game and it wasn't ok. Mig was playing in that game too so there is no excuse. | ||
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On October 23 2011 13:35 kitaman27 wrote: Electing a bullet bill and DT into office really put us in an awful position from the start. I think we would have felt a lot more comfortable able running if the elected roles were immune to checks. Really would have been nice to have a godfather, NRA. or framer. Even if it was pretty unlikely that I could have beaten out Mig or Radfield, I regret giving it a shot. Also, Tudors suck for shooting me night one. Did I do something to tip you guys off? They thought you were town for some reason -_-. I think I could have run a good campaign had I not been busy lol | ||
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On October 23 2011 13:37 sandroba wrote: hahaha sorry chaoser for pressuring you out of office =P Don't worry about it, that whole day I was talking to you on Skype I literally could not hold a coherent train of thought. I was so out of it I ended up giving up just so I could stop thinking about it and go take a nap lol | ||
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Where in that was I complacent? | ||
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You were complacent for a while, then when the pressure built up you freaked out and leaked scumtells everywhere. Your defense was really bad. Your case against me was literally "Chaoser is not active enough, chaoser isn't being very strong in pushing his stances, he made a bad case against Dropbear, he contradicted himself with the supporting radfield/not supporting radfield" which is 100% NOT my scum play at all and 100% my I'm busy play. If you're going to lynch me off that then I might as well never play mafia during the school year as I WILL be busy at times. How the fuck do I defend against that besides pointing out the shitty logic there? I even ended up hunting out three scum that everyone in the town circle at the time didn't even suspect. Prp, Sandroba, dec EDIT: sorry, being hungry makes me emotional | ||
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My team was cyber wiggles and kenpachi prplhz, the Tudor Vanilla is dead. | ||
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it was completely based on your meta (you don't push bad townies for lynch when you are a townie) I've pushed PLENTY of bad townies for lynch day one. Go look at PYP Insane. Go look at any of my older games. If you really think my scum play is actually that bad as it was in this game without some outside forces preventing me from playing my best then I guess I'll just have to take the insult and live with it. | ||
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On October 23 2011 14:14 Ace wrote: appeal to emotion isn't a scum tell though. Thank you Ace -_- My my play subpar this game? Yes Was your logic for trying to get me lynched correct? No Did I end up avoiding the lynch? Yes I would have probably drawn a DT check instead of a KP had the Jimbo thing not happened. Better to be safe than to potentially waste a KP at someone that might be mafia and bulletproof/hider/etc. right? Pretty sure I could have argued my way out of a lynch day two if there was a DT check. | ||
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Lancaster Kenpachi - NKVD Cyber - Godfather Wiggles - Medic Chaoser - Pupeteer Good roles if they hadn't been decimated. I think Kenpachi should have used NKVD to connect with other teams though. Not to buy town cred, especially since two of his team were dead. We had checked Dec on Night one too so had me and cyber not died, we would have been in business, though I wish the rest of the mafia teams had more KP... | ||
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On October 24 2011 07:51 Ace wrote: Awesome. So this is no longer a game of Mafia but a game of seeing who can get closest to breaking the rules or taking advantage of silly players. Pathetic. +1 cause I CAN in this subforum MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA | ||
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On October 24 2011 18:36 Cyber_Cheese wrote: With two other mafia teams to compete with, grabbing kp was furthering their goals more than your own, because they could defence up and be at an advantage because your defenceless while you slaughter the town. | ||
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