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supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
October 03 2011 14:47 GMT
#101
if this doesnt start before krumis game ends (for me) i'd like to be /in :-]
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
October 07 2011 15:47 GMT
#125
yoep i am ready, too :->
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
October 11 2011 13:58 GMT
#175
townframer to frame GF makes perfect sense to me. i am going to pick him!
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
October 12 2011 12:49 GMT
#261
oh lord. this looks like a lot of work. we have about 15 hours left to pick our roles, is that correct?
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
October 13 2011 05:10 GMT
#403
3/4
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
October 13 2011 13:58 GMT
#428
oh yes i took 4/3
just checked my sent message.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
October 14 2011 20:54 GMT
#589
okay, i vote for Mig as mayor. my reasoning is simple. I know mig from former PM games and he's active all the time. I don't trust anyone because we have like a 40% scumrate. If someone disagrees with that, I am in irc for further discussion.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
October 15 2011 13:07 GMT
#702
in xlv wbg had aweful scumreads everyday :D
sorry but i have to agree with radfield there. you should slow it down a little. noone will listen to you if you spam like that. in this game, this playstyle of massive talking doesnt even confirm you as townie if you're right with your accusations. you could very well be a member of a opponent scumteam.
seriously, noone knows 100% sure that mig or rad are town. its a decision based on meta. i didn't vote mig because i think hes more likely town than rad. i vote him because i know him. at this point of the game given a 43% scumrate noone is confirmed by any mean!
we have no influence. All we can do and in my opinion we have to do is voting a mayor that is active and experienced.
if he's scum, we have to control him and we can control him. worst case is an inactive inexperienced and therefor a useless mayor.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
October 15 2011 18:14 GMT
#728
On October 16 2011 03:09 wherebugsgo wrote:
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On October 15 2011 21:24 Radfield wrote:
On October 15 2011 18:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
After some extended and heated discussion in PMs I think it's best that this go in the thread.

Currently, Radfield leads the mayoral candidacy with 6 votes.

HOWEVER, Radfield is a terrible candidate and should NOT be allowed into office. If you are voting Radfield please strongly reconsider your vote and take your vote off of him. Vote GreyMist or Mig instead.

The optimal situation is if we can get Mig/Greymist to 7/8 votes each. We need both of these guys elected to office. I think both are town, and we need townies in office, not Radfield.

Currently I suspect any voters on Radfield, and I will continue to do so until you have provided adequate reason for me to think you are not suspicious.

I repeat, WE CANNOT ALLOW RADFIELD TO BE ELECTED.


On October 15 2011 19:35 wherebugsgo wrote:
also, you don't find it odd that Radfield said that the scumteams would be running candidates for mayor, then he ran himself?

It seems like a good way to relieve suspicion on himself; as scum that's a great way to get yourself into office.

I also don't doubt that Radfield is good at scum seeing as he completely convinced sandroba he was town in LoTR through PMs.

Electing Radfield into office is basically a gamble. We gamble that he's town and he potentially gets protection, or that he's scum and so we get him off the candidacy list. I don't think we can be sure of Radfield's alignment this early in the game and so we should go with the two candidates we CAN be sure of, GreYMisT and Mig.

Mig is really transparent and obvious town, GreYMisT is a relatively new player so I'd find it extraordinarily unlikely he's scum based on the things he's said and done both in thread and in PM.


Is there an actual argument in here somewhere? Basically what you are saying is that there is a risk I may be scum, and therefore should not be mayor. But what does a scum Radfield as mayor really look like? Fact is, regardless of what you think my alignment is, you should know from my playstyle that I will be hunting scum no matter what. You may think that my role in my hands could be dangerous, but I have a role which can confirm itself(and is shown to NOT be dangerous to town), and works with great synergy as the mayor position.


The point is that I don't know what your alignment is, and I'd rather have someone who is more likely to be town (like Mig, or GreYMisT) than you in office.

The bolded is important; you yourself even imply that it's unknown what a scum mayor Radfield would look like. No one knows. You're pretty good at scum, for all we know you could play massively pro town while pushing your own agenda behind the scenes. No one would notice, especially if you manage to kill off all the more pro-town players by the time it would be relevant.

Lastly I said nothing about your role so I have no idea why you are bringing it up.

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On October 15 2011 21:24 Radfield wrote:
You're also completely ignoring the vast upside of having a pro-town Radfield in an elected slot. If I am allowed to live till late-game, which an elected position will grant me, I will undoubtedly be a game changing presence in favor of town. I am clear thinking, good at scum hunting, and excellent at keeping town discussion moving in productive directions. You may think that I can give these benefits without the protection of an elected position, but I will be dead night 1.


I'm not ignoring it. I'm basing this decision on the fact that your alignment is a complete unknown right now. You could be scum or town and we have no way of telling until a reliable DT checks you.

I like how you say a "pro-town Radfield" and not a "town Radfield." There IS a difference in this game.

Frankly I don't care if you live till lategame. The game doesn't revolve around you living or dying. The game revolves around us finding scum. At the moment, I can't tell what you are, so I don't want you in office. Simple as that.

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On October 15 2011 21:24 Radfield wrote:
There are 12 players actively opposed to seeing me elected. There are 12 players actively trying to cut me down and reduce my effectiveness. There are 12 players who want me dead and out of this game.

Bugs, if you are NOT one of those 12 player, then you need to shape up and stop doing their work for them. Let me do my job.

Your day 1 scum reads are notoriously poor, yet you always push them with reckless abandon. Take off your scum-goggles, and slow down. In LOTR you had awful reads day 1, and solid reads every day after that(in the dead QT).


Do you even know my reads in this game?

In fact, if you did, you would not say something so stupid. + Show Spoiler +
hint: my #1 scumread for day 1 is chaoser.


Not to mention, I don't know why you're saying my day 1 read in LoTR was bad when it ended up being Sauron (lol)


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On October 16 2011 01:58 JACCUZISPLAT wrote:
On October 15 2011 17:18 syllogism wrote:
This greymist wagon is absolutely scum influenced. I can not believe people like Foolishness would push to elect a new player, especially in this setup. Greymist may still be town, but the intend is clearly to prevent the threat of townie mig being elected.

have you ever identified mig as scum? because all that happens every pm game you 2 play is you work together from the very start.

in kurumi's tf2 mafia with like 5 vets, you claimed to mig day 1. for no other reason that you thought he was town.

I assume you've claimed to mig this game as well. All i want to know is why you think he is town. please.


On October 15 2011 10:45 hiro protagonist wrote:
cool, Im voting for Radfield.

My dream picks are Rad/mig for Mayor/pardoner right now. Both have put a good amount of effort into the thread or PMs. Both are good scumhunters (Well I dont know about Rad, Im going of reputation. but Mig is for sure).

My only hang up about Mig is that prior to getting his role, he showed no interest into becoming Mayor. I might be overly paranoid, but I dont think any scum would have been gunning for the Mayor slot until they got there role.

this makes me feel better about Jimbo, but I still dont want someone with a #3 pick in office.

Hiro is our lynch today everybody. He doesn't want a powerful role in office(#3 pick). I'm not sure why, maybe because that person could be scum with a powerful role? But then we could just lynch this person right? I just don't understand where he's coming from with that and it just looks like he doesn't want a powerful pick in office because it will be harder to night kill.

I can't trust mig because i have seen nothing that convinces me he is town. Mig is, as far as i can tell, syllogism's mafia hero, so syllo instantly thinks he is town every game.

this leaves us with radfield, jimbo and greymist as viable candidates.

I've established jimbo isn't on the same scumteam as hiro but i'm not sure how town he is.

Radfield is weird. He is obviously an excellent scumhunter(go read the last day of the last pyp for this.), but his posts have an off feeling to them.

cool, Im voting for Radfield.

this vote by hiro also comes off as odd. He also said he wants radfield in office because he is a good scumhunter, but he only knows this by representation. Hiro has basically given no reasons to be voting radfield over chaoser or jimbo, both of them also good scumhunters.(I think i know who jimbo is, so that's why im including him). Now either Radfield is scumbuddies with hiro or hiro is just scum putting down an easy vote, but it makes me uneasy of radfield.

Greymist is not experienced enough to be mayor in this game.

Foolishness would have had my vote looking at past games and experience but it seems he's barely playing in this game.

so in conclusion you should still vote me.


If this is red talking, then I can understand why this post sounds like this lol.

I'm pretty sure ON wouldn't be acting the way you're acting.

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On October 15 2011 22:07 supersoft wrote:
in xlv wbg had aweful scumreads everyday :D
sorry but i have to agree with radfield there. you should slow it down a little. noone will listen to you if you spam like that. in this game, this playstyle of massive talking doesnt even confirm you as townie if you're right with your accusations. you could very well be a member of a opponent scumteam.
seriously, noone knows 100% sure that mig or rad are town. its a decision based on meta. i didn't vote mig because i think hes more likely town than rad. i vote him because i know him. at this point of the game given a 43% scumrate noone is confirmed by any mean!
we have no influence. All we can do and in my opinion we have to do is voting a mayor that is active and experienced.
if he's scum, we have to control him and we can control him. worst case is an inactive inexperienced and therefor a useless mayor.


So Radfield is saying that I'm spamming?

And I'm scum because I'm talking in the thread too much?

Lol that's funny, like three people approached me yesterday and called me scum for not posting enough in the thread. Ridiculous.



No. You got me wrong. I said it doesn't confirm you as town if you spam and accuse like a madman. I never said that i think you are scum. Nothing ridiculous there.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
October 17 2011 06:40 GMT
#964
i encouraged him to do that :D
i have been a lazy bum so far. wbg told there are 5 confirmed townplayers so far. i bet money on the fact that there is at least 1 redguy among these.
writing a 5 hours law exam now
G_G

i'll be there for you after that, and another 5 hours later i'll be in irc.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
October 17 2011 16:37 GMT
#1004
##Vote Meapak_Ziphh

palmar made a huge post. i agree. reasons and details follow in about 4 hours if i dont change my mind.

@wbg: your case against me is so bad. my exam lasted from 9.00 to 14.00; i left my house at about 8.15 and entered the university at about 8.50
in the meantime from 14.00 to now i was in my repetitorium university course whatever its called in E and only could pm palmar from time to time.
if you want to use a kp on me for being wishy washy with these times i really dont care.

supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
October 18 2011 22:49 GMT
#1169
On October 19 2011 07:44 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
What the fuck?!

Someone's been impersonating me on IRC... -_-

I never had that conversation with you, meapak, lol.

No wonder people think I'm scummy, hahahahahahahaha.


i guess thats against the rules...

@mz: posting huge logs doesnt explain the gunpowder :-[
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
October 19 2011 08:33 GMT
#1254
noooo palmar!!! :-(
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
October 20 2011 17:58 GMT
#1304
i am hider not framer. i picked a defensive investigating role like mig requested us to do.
erandorr is 100% town i hided behind him last night
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
October 20 2011 20:23 GMT
#1310
tbh i lost every interest in this game. i am not scum and hider is a decent defensive role at #18
i can confirm others like eran and i can hide behind guaranteed townies.
mig, if you dont answer my pms, i cant do anything.
i tried to do something together with palmar. but since genius jackal bombed him away I am completely isolated.
+ wbg is so annoying, i wont ever play a game with him again. his selfconfidence is just ridiculous when you see his results.

if i were scum, this idiot would be dead by now. thats for sure.. maybe not to win, but to have fun in this game.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
October 20 2011 20:33 GMT
#1313
and btw. i told several people that i am sure that one of you:
mig rad syllo sandro is scum.

i can even think of mig being scum. why would you ignore me. i also dont know anything about your decisions and thoughts. how can i support you like that. you werent even interested in my nighthidetarget.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
October 20 2011 20:36 GMT
#1317
yea i am not dumb i dont hide behind scum. i wanted to hide behind palmar because i talked to him a lot and was damn sure he was town. after he died i chose erandorr. i talked to him i german and i got a strong towny impression of him, too.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
October 20 2011 20:39 GMT
#1319
i am not talking to wbg even if he talks in 1.person plural.
i never claimed that hiding behind someone makes me town. and you didnt anwer at least one pm.
wait ill look it up.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
October 20 2011 20:42 GMT
#1320
On October 21 2011 05:36 GreYMisT wrote:
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On October 21 2011 05:23 supersoft wrote:
tbh i lost every interest in this game. i am not scum and hider is a decent defensive role at #18
i can confirm others like eran and i can hide behind guaranteed townies.
mig, if you dont answer my pms, i cant do anything.
i tried to do something together with palmar. but since genius jackal bombed him away I am completely isolated.
+ wbg is so annoying, i wont ever play a game with him again. his selfconfidence is just ridiculous when you see his results.

if i were scum, this idiot would be dead by now. thats for sure.. maybe not to win, but to have fun in this game.


##Vote Supersoft
appeal to emotion, not logic
Only defense relys on dead players who can't back up his story
attempting to softly redirect to wbg, instead of answering the questions or trying to actually contribute.

[image loading]


i am not pointing towards wbg. hes just retarded. there is no emotional apeal intended. my logic is simple. hider is a good townrole. i can confirm townies and i can avoid getting shot.
i was #18 and i am not retarded like wbg and see confirmed townies in scum and the other way around.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
October 20 2011 20:46 GMT
#1322
unanswered PM Supersoft ---> Mig


okay. did he give you the PM traffic between him and myself? if not, i'd share them if you want.

basically he wanted me to claim. i did so and told him that i am hider but i forgot to use my ability night1 because i didnt realize that we start with a nightcycle. (true story btw) after that he told me to pressurevote mz and i raged about wbg.
______

he told me that you, syllo and rad are town in his eyes. i am willing to believe that, too. i hope just you guys aren't the 4 remaining tudors lol. i just cant read radfield. hes got a lot of votes from people i am not used to play with in pm games.
______

also i had a lot of stuff to do the past few days and i have to get into this game right now. i have no clue about most of the players right now. i only really talked to wbg and palmar.

Original Message From Mig:
I have it right now that palmar is like 80% town. Syllo thinks he is 95% town. So dunno! I wouldn't trust him completely right now but he isnt real high on my suspicion list.

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