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I think I'm going to pick 7 because many people will pick lower numbers, and then I will pick 12 for my second number. | ||
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So I will not tell you my numbers, for they will only be revealed to those who are worthy! | ||
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I think his heart is pure! In other news, we are surrounded by evil MAFIA! This means we have to be careful and we have to look beyond. | ||
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Now let's sit down and think for a moment. What happens if two people who are always wrong share their wrongness? Are they double wrong? What is the definition of double wrong? Does this mean that they are so wrong that they will implode and suicide? Can I understand this as a soft-claim of you guys having picked Admiral Ackbar? Only time will tell. I have a reason to believe Syllogism is town, and I trust his judgement on Mig therefore. | ||
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You can talk to me and share my wisdom there. | ||
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On October 14 2011 20:46 Scamp wrote: Trusting someone's judgement just because they are town is idiotic. On the contrary, at this point I have very little to go by except the election posts themselves. The only people I have been in contact with outside of this thread are Syllogism, Kitaman27 and DropBear. I have a reason to believe Syllogism is town. I also believe Syllogism has an excellent nose for Mig's alignment in PM games, so by extension Mig must be town. While I would myself rather talk directly to Mig, until I have been in contact with him, I find Syllogism's judgement to be good enough proof, seeing as he is one of the best players in this game. However, what is your purpose, trying to cloud my judgement, why do you step in to cast doubt upon something that I have good reasons to do? | ||
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On October 14 2011 23:47 JACCUZISPLAT wrote: plus its funny because mig and syllo always work together in pm games. this still stands and im waiting I do not have extensive knowledge of past games! But I did simply as Syllogism, and he doesn't recall playing in a PM game where he was town and Mig was scum, so I am unable to provide what you requested! | ||
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Here are my observations. With no disrespect to Greymist, he is not a veteran and has yet to show himself to be excellent at Mafia. I find it extremely weird that anyone is supporting him into office, because there's nothing more dangerous to the mafia than a very good player who cannot be killed. This is something I'd expect experienced players to recognize. The fact that this is being ignored and a newbie is being voted into position is simply based on fear of what if either Radfield or Mig is scum. Here is something interesting. I think we can all agree that the trio of Syllogism, Mig and Sandroba is composed of some of the best players in this game. It is highly unlikely they'd support each other so openly if they were on the same scumteam, not to mention the possibility of those three friends getting mixed up in one team is very slim. So this means that at least 1-2 of them are pushing the Mig candidacy with honest intentions. After having spoken extensively with all of them I am convinced Syllogism is town, and I think Mig is town. Sandroba is a bit more shady, but he is pushing something logical. I do not mind people not agreeing about the conclusion that Mig is the best choice, I do however really not want a new player voted into office, that's directly pushing mafia agenda as the best way for mafia to deal with a strong town double voter is to make sure the position is badly manned. I want to iterate this: The second best choice for any mafia family after putting one of their own into position, is to put a weak player into position. I am especially surprised to see Foolishness cast his vote away like that. Someone who is as capable as he is at this game, someone who can tell scum from town with real ease, should definitely share his reads and explain to us why we should be voting the same way as he does. | ||
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On October 16 2011 01:32 JimboSilvers wrote: Oh, and one more important note: Just because mafia can play seemingly pro-town doesn't mean that they will. The fact that there are three mafia teams doesn't mean that scum tells are no longer scum tells. No, it mostly means that town-tells are no longer town-tells. (this is very generalized approach, but I hope you catch my drift). I think Mig/Radfield combination would be excellent. | ||
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On October 16 2011 06:33 Node wrote: I'm voting Greymist for pretty much the same reason as the other guys. I'm not satisfied with the townie-ness of the other candidates, but in reading Greymist's posts and seeing him talk in IRC I'm pretty confident saying that I've got a stronger town read. He's pretty transparent -- almost too transparent.  I feel that if he were mafia I would've definitely seen something I don't like by now.greymist is town he just has a slightly weaker reason to be the major than the other two. | ||
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I already know like 10 people or something. | ||
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I don't really care what you do anymore. People are apparently more interested in trolling than actually playing the game. Someone can shoot me so I can be confirmed town, and then you can know at least both syllogism and supersoft lied about their roleclaims. | ||
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On October 17 2011 04:24 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Thanks, that completely explains all the issues with what I had to say, I'm glad your trying to encourage me to contribute :/ If all you're going to contribute is trying to point out something that you want to be considered "scumtell" then I'd rather you just shut up. Role-fishing is not a scumtell in itself, it's only if it's done in a scummy way that it isn't. You're trying to paint syllogism scum because you're not thinking. This either makes you dumb or scum, and in both cases I actually don't mind you just shutting up. Are you scum? | ||
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On October 17 2011 04:35 Cyber_Cheese wrote: What exactly is your idea of a difference between scummy and non-scummy rolefishing? If scum tries to rolefish it's scummy But syllo isn't scum, he's just an asshole. There's a difference. | ||
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First off, let's look at this post by Chaoser. On October 16 2011 04:01 chaoser wrote: if he's better at hiding his mafia alignment why would you vote for him even if he is active??? How do the two cancel each other out??? To which heist replies: On October 16 2011 04:05 heist wrote: and the other candidates? they aren't exactly exuding townie to me. And that implies that no matter what Radfield does, he needs to be killed off immediately since he's so unreadable. This post is written in direct response to chaoser's point that it's very dangerous to put radfield in office. I don't think anyone can interpret this post as anything other than heist implying he thinks chaoser wants to kill radfield if he gets in office, as he seems to be pointing out the ridiculousness of chaoser being so afraid of putting an unreadable player in office. But later heist really backtracks on this one: On October 16 2011 05:09 heist wrote: I never implied that you wanted Radfield killed off. This is getting stupid. Which is an outright lie. I think heist doesn't want to stick his neck out too much, I think he's basically scum who doesn't actually care too much about pushing his reads, he just wants to contribute without actually ever being in danger of being scrutinized. I think heist would be an excellent lynch target tomorrow. | ||
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On October 17 2011 08:47 deconduo wrote: Wow I thought I would have a load to read up on when I got back but today has been really quiet. I'm surprised no one has called for a vig shot on Foolishness, he's very obviously scum at this point especially as Node flipped scum. The rest of the people trying to get greymist elected should be checked, especially WBG. greymist is probably town. | ||
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On October 17 2011 16:15 wherebugsgo wrote: I do I do I do also I want super to die, where's Ace when you need him? He's always around when we don't need him and then he's gone when we do you need to stop talking. | ||
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On October 17 2011 18:04 wherebugsgo wrote: You do too. By that I mean you need to die, scum. DIE SCUM DIE Shut up, a day vigilante on you who's been trying to fucking sabotage town since day 1 would be quite useful. | ||
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1. Meapak_Ziphh 2. Kenpachi 3. JimboSilvers 4. deconduo 5. Mig 6. Cyber_Cheese 7. wherebugsgo 8. Scamp 9. sandroba 10. syllogism 11. Radfield 12. hiro protagonist 13. Mr. Wiggles 14. DropBear 15. bumatlarge 16. prplhz 17. Node 18. supersoft 19. Chaoser 20. Arctocod 21. Jackal58 22. GreYMisT 23. kitaman27 24. heist 25. Foolishness 26. Erandorr 27. JACCUZISPLAT 28. sinani206 | ||
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On October 17 2011 18:16 wherebugsgo wrote: Vote me then! Come on, I dare you. Backup your empty threats. Consider yourself permanently ignored. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh Alright town, I think we have our lynch of the day. Summary, for those of you looking for the tl;dr version:
Now here's the story from A-Z, if you wanna get with me you've gotta listen carefully. Opening thoughts First off, Meapak writes two pretty bland posts about how we should be picking roles and what we should be doing with them, it's not to terribly revealing in itself. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11796175 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11800108 Now, you see, this could simply be a townie who's not quite sure how to play the game. What's especially revealing is that meapak feels the need to make sure that this is just his speculations. If we pick him up on the advice and it turns out it sucks, he cannot be held responsible. Why make this post if you're town? On October 13 2011 06:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: /thinking out loud. It only accomplishes two things. First off it reduces the chances people will listen to him, something townies do NOT want, and it throws away responsibility, something mafia really does want. Candidacy Now as for his candidacy, it's basically thrown together, and is solely based on the fact that he's the inventor. There is nothing in it except an attempt at suggesting a ridiculously overpowered invention in the hopes of catching us in his net. But really, that's about it. There is nothing in this that makes me think he's town. He expects to be voted through the power of his role alone. This is something mafia would like, as it's a free ride to the mayor position. He isn't even arguing who should be lynched or trying to paint himself town. Sowing mistrust His next big post is really bad. On October 15 2011 02:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: People should NOT be voting for Mig/Syllo/Sandroba. It's the first day in a game with multiple factions, no one should be trusting anyone at this point. I don't think all of those three are scum, however I'd bet at least one of them is and since I'm not sure who, there's no way I'll vote for any of them. Mig and I had a conversation on IRC where he told me he really didn't want to be mayor but syllo was pushing him hard. When I asked him why syllo was pushing so hard he said because syllo was sure he was town because of skype conversations. Sandroba is probably the one I'm least suspicious of right now so if I had to pick one of these three for scum it'd be syllo. Also Arcotcod, This bolded part is the scummiest thing I've read all game. Just because you think syllo is town does in no way mean mig is also town. Especially considering you've never talked to mig. Apparently I am the scummiest person in the game for supporting townies, and the townie train we have now in the lead of town is something no one should vote for? Meapak is actively trying to throw mistrust into a very successful day one townie circle thing, and thus he's directly pushing mafia objectives. Another damning thing from this is that he actually doesn't follow up at all his poke on me, and in the end he ends up supporting radfield into office, who is clearly part of the townie circle with Mig. Meapak hasn't actually tried to find scum at all this game. For comparison This is meapak's day 1 play as town in experimental haunted mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=250999&user=82024&user=82024 Just notice the actively asking questions, directly pointing out people and making sure they reply to him. This is something meapak is sure as hell not doing this game. Conclusion: Meapak has not pushed his reads, he's chosen to play his hand tight, he has not tried scumhunting and he's not been useful for town. All he has done is try to plant mistrust and passively push mafia agenda. His meta is far removed from his play in EHM where he was town. Meapak is scum ##Vote Meapak_Ziphh | ||
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On October 17 2011 22:58 prplhz wrote: arctocod came with a huge big list of people who are scum, and then he went for meapak. but i thought i'd seen that analysis before, mostly based on meta and on people not being as active as he'd like to. and looking a bit back i actually had seen it before. in a game where arctocod was scum and jack was town. a lot of people made insincere bids to the mayor position, kenpachi, greymist, chaoser just because he ran for mayor doesn't make him scum. and in the end he supported the same townie train that everybody voted for, i'm like 95% sure that both radfield and mig are townies at this point (not that i'm not watching them anyway). what's in the meapak analysis is no where near damning, and just throwing accusations about isn't really very townie play to me. did you even PM meapak about any of this? a lot of people have been complaining about meapak lately so maybe there's something to it but i really need to see someone make a decent case before i'll consider voting for him. and palmar is not nearly good enough a mafia player to use meta, mostly i'd say he just uses it to make his analysis seem better while in reality, it isn't. i don't like that at all. There is a huge difference between those two things, most notably that the analysis on Jackal is mostly complete bullshit (it is actually impossible to write a pbp analysis on jackal on day 1), while this one isn't. Meapak actually has a useful day 1 meta, something jackal lacks. And I'm more than good enough to use meta, stfu. I'm always right, hang meapak. | ||
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On October 18 2011 00:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Arctocod you're cute. You didn't agree to my terms, I think we should kill you. | ||
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On October 18 2011 00:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Don't you have something to tell the thread Arcto? I don't care if I die, I think you're scum and I will not give away the best thing I've done for the town. you're so cute when you do that meapak! ♥ | ||
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On October 18 2011 00:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: What's wrong, lose your nerve at the last moment? I have to go soon so hurry up. nah, I don't actually wanna follow through with my threats right now, I'll save it for later. | ||
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On October 18 2011 00:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm waiting to see if Arcto goes through with an incredibly short-sighted and foolish plan. If he does then we're going to have a lot to talk about. I'm going to be gone in about 9 minutes though so he needs to hurry up. don't hold your breath. | ||
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♥ I think I'll be fine. | ||
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On October 17 2011 19:38 Arctocod wrote: so is this what we've got? 1. Meapak_Ziphh 2. Kenpachi 3. JimboSilvers 4. deconduo 5. Mig 6. Cyber_Cheese 7. wherebugsgo 8. Scamp 9. sandroba 10. syllogism 11. Radfield 12. hiro protagonist 13. Mr. Wiggles 14. DropBear 15. bumatlarge 16. prplhz 17. Node 18. supersoft 19. Chaoser 20. Arctocod 21. Jackal58 22. GreYMisT 23. kitaman27 24. heist 25. Foolishness 26. Erandorr 27. JACCUZISPLAT 28. sinani206 Updated | ||
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heist jimbo wherebugsgo mr. wiggles everyone else has claimed, feel free to do so in pms | ||
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On October 18 2011 10:05 Jackal58 wrote: Meapak isn't inventor. He's NRA. Somebody else on his team is inventor. you're so out of the loop lol | ||
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Give me a hug bro, I know you want it, I'm ready, let's do this man. Come on. | ||
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And everytime we kiss I swear I could fly. Can't you feel my heart beat fast, I want this to last. Need you by my side. 'Cause everytime we touch, I feel the static. And everytime we kiss, I reach for the sky. Can't you hear my heart beat so... I can't let you go. Want you in my life. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XiA5pncT1OQ/TSYPIhA0c7I/AAAAAAAAAaM/4-FpGb_ZkqQ/s320/HeartExplosion.jpg) | ||
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 Hey Jimbo, can you repeat after me "I am not the inventor". | ||
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On October 18 2011 14:22 Foolishness wrote: To anything that Palmar has ever said: ![[image loading]](http://www.gapingvoid.com/11444661477.jpg) Original Message From Foolishness: I believe he is town, he has proven to me that he is competent and is working for the town. Other candidates haven't done both: Radfield and Jimbo are working for the town but they're not competent, Mig and Wiggles are competent but they aren't working for the town. If you haven't already talk to him in PMs, you'll see he has no ill intentions. And then continued Original Message From Foolishness: I don't believe I've argued with Mig, so if you can specify what exactly you're referring to I'd be happy to explain. I realize I'm in a weird position, but I took this risk at the start of the game. All will be explained soon I promise. I'm in the middle of something really good right now, something only I have the power to do (and I'm not talking about role power, I'm vanilla) | ||
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I pmd protact about a question about the game about 30 hours ago, and I still need to get an answer on that. If any of the hosts see this I really need to get that answered. | ||
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Part 1 Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: LOOOOL Before you do lemme ask you one thing, do you trust rad? Part 2 Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh: You honestly expect me to believe you when you waltz in and say "inventor is scum.". Proof pretty please? I don't trust him 100% atm but like I said, I'll give him one more day. In the meantime I must complement you on an incredible display of successful role fishing. | ||
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I know the shot fired as I have only 1 bullet now left, but I do not know if the shot was correctly fired, or if my proof that heist lied about his implications was not considered strong enough. | ||
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b) My role is useless, because even directly saying something that is false doesn't count as a proof if there can be any ambiguity applied, even the mindset of the player. c) I did shoot, and it misfired, I probably killed one of the townies. d) I lied about my sources, big deal. I didn't want to tell someone I KNOW is scum (meapak) anything that he didn't have to know. Including with whom I'm talking. e) Jimbo and Meapak are a scumteam. Meapak admits in pms to have dropped the role to someone he trusts, yet refuses to say who it is. When meapak flips Jimbo needs to die too. f) Wanna talk about lying? I claimed day vig and threatened to kill at least 2 people if they didn't roelclaim. I claimed mafia to wiggles, but he refused to "co-operate" with me because I couldn't give an excerpt from my QT or IRC conversations with scumbuddies, I couldn't be arsed manufacturing that. g) And yeah, I don't actually care. With the information town has if we can't win this then we're dumbasses. | ||
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On October 19 2011 04:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Oh and if Jimbo and I were scum do you honestly think I'd have outed him like that? You should die for blatant mafia behavior. Now. You should die for being mafia, that's even more scummy than behaving like mafia. | ||
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On October 19 2011 06:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Holy shit please read this everyone, he just admitted there's no dt. Rofl, in what universe did I admit there is no dt? Here's a picture of your performance at the moment: ![[image loading]](http://mail.is/palmar/straws.png) | ||
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On October 19 2011 07:02 hiro protagonist wrote: answer me this: how the fuck does he have a gun if graymist just said he is a bodyguard? what does that have to do with it? | ||
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GG everyone, sorry I can be a bit of a dick in pms. Good luck town! | ||
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