EPTIt's you who is dodging. Explain how a townie gets elected without other townies voting for him and thus at least to a degree trusting him.
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
It's you who is dodging. Explain how a townie gets elected without other townies voting for him and thus at least to a degree trusting him. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
While I did say that I thought Mig was townie earlier yesterday, after talking to him more and from thinking about the plans that have been brought up I'm currently unsure. I'm not willing to simply take your word that Mig is town, and no one else should be dumb enough to do that either. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On October 15 2011 04:59 syllogism wrote: I never said I didn't talk to him about the game, you are imagining things. Mig said we talked a lot non-game related things, but that's about it. It's you who is dodging. Explain how a townie gets elected without other townies voting for him and thus at least to a degree trusting him. Where does that come in? Of course, you need other people to vote for you, but mig wasn't even running at that point. You claim that there wouldn't be votes for you, without even trying to secure votes. You said that the only real criteria for voting someone in is that they are town. So, you and mig were on an equal playing field as far as elections go, but instead of nominating yourself, a known quantity, you nominate mig, who you do not know the alignment of. That doesn't make sense. Maybe if he started a campaign, and already had momentum, I could understand you supporting him and not running if you got a town-vibe, but coming from someone who only wants the elected officials to be town, it seems incredibly odd that they would nominate someone else and not run themselves at that point, especially when a bs reason is given later as well. Then add onto that you pressured mig into running, and that you refuse to share the skype convos that convinced you so much of his towniness, and I get a rather bad feeling. I'm pretty convinced you have ulterior motives behind setting up mig as mayor. | ||
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Erandorr
2283 Posts
On October 15 2011 05:11 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Where does that come in? Of course, you need other people to vote for you, but mig wasn't even running at that point. You claim that there wouldn't be votes for you, without even trying to secure votes. You said that the only real criteria for voting someone in is that they are town. So, you and mig were on an equal playing field as far as elections go, but instead of nominating yourself, a known quantity, you nominate mig, who you do not know the alignment of. That doesn't make sense. Maybe if he started a campaign, and already had momentum, I could understand you supporting him and not running if you got a town-vibe, but coming from someone who only wants the elected officials to be town, it seems incredibly odd that they would nominate someone else and not run themselves at that point, especially when a bs reason is given later as well. Then add onto that you pressured mig into running, and that you refuse to share the skype convos that convinced you so much of his towniness, and I get a rather bad feeling. I'm pretty convinced you have ulterior motives behind setting up mig as mayor. Hey Wiggles, I have a question. What do you think about Mig as candidate, ignoring what you think about syllo? | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On October 15 2011 05:14 Erandorr wrote: Hey Wiggles, I have a question. What do you think about Mig as candidate, ignoring what you think about syllo? He hasn't given me a reason to vote for him. He didn't do anything Day 0 (Not that it counts for much anyways), and then made a mayoral campaign only after being pressured to do so, where he re-hashes a lot of ideas that have already been expressed with little new content, and explains how he's townie because syllo says so, and that he's bad scum so we shouldn't worry anyways. His next post is defending drop_bear who made a null-tell. Could be a townie trap, could actually be mafia fishing for people. That's why I don't like when people do that. He hasn't contributed enough, or talked about the game in a substantial enough way yet for me to want to vote for him. Also, it's a bad idea to look at him in a vacuum anyways, because the game doesn't happen in a vacuum. Especially when he was pressured to run. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On October 15 2011 05:16 syllogism wrote: You are back to saying that every single townie should run for mayor I'm saying that from the reasons you gave and the situation at the time, there's no reason you should have pressured mig to run for mayor instead of running yourself. You're either not telling us everything, lying, or you have different motivations for your actions than you claim. You still haven't defended your reasons for putting mig up instead of yourself. I said I'd discuss with town, what do they think of syllo being a lynch candidate? | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
If you were on that list, please publicly state two things for me. The first being who you would lynch right now and why, and the second is if you could choose mayor and pardoner now, excluding yourself, who would they be and why? | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
1. In my eyes, there are literally no good reasons to be voting any of the current candidates. 2. The Mig election seems to be the one with the most support, but, again, no one seems to be providing good reasons as to why Mig should be elected. Notably, Mig himself is absent on this. Mig as town normally is not this apathetic toward scumhunting and toward the game in general. I have doubts when his plan is to "turtle" with no real intention of looking for scum at all. 3. Yesterday I was under the impression that syllo and Mig would run together. I supported voting syllogism based on the fact that, at the time, I thought syllo was town. At this point I'm unsure on both his alignment and that of Mig's. I find it really odd that syllo would not be running with Mig's support, rather than the other way around. In fact, I got the impression from both Mig and syllo yesterday that they would BOTH be running, and that syllogism would be the main candidate. That is clearly not the case today. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
I find it really odd that syllo would not be running with Mig's support, rather than the other way around. In fact, I got the impression from both Mig and syllo yesterday that they would BOTH be running, and that syllogism would be the main candidate. That is clearly not the case today. Sorry, I crash the fuck out at like 12PM EST and have been dead/napping on my keyboard/face marked till now. At 12PM EST I was told that Syllo and Mig were running together with Syllo as likely for pardoner and Mig for mayor. Did that change? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
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hiro protagonist
1294 Posts
also, a lot of folks have yet to way there opinions on the election. Sooner rather than later would be good people  I am leaning towards Rad for mayor as of now, no idea for pardoner. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Are you seriously that naive/bad? | ||
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hiro protagonist
1294 Posts
On October 15 2011 06:20 wherebugsgo wrote: Wtf why on earth would the scumteams NOT run for mayor? Are you seriously that naive/bad? I'll let you think about it for awhile... | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On October 15 2011 06:17 wherebugsgo wrote: It's clear that syllogism is not a candidate. He has no votes. Feel free to vote for me, but it doesn't appear likely we've enough votes to elect us both. Obviously if mig can't be elected, I would rather have me as one of the two elected roles. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On October 15 2011 06:27 syllogism wrote: Feel free to vote for me, but it doesn't appear likely we've enough votes to elect us both. Obviously if mig can't be elected, I would rather have me as one of the two elected roles. This isn't what Sandroba told me. [5:10:36 PM] Chaosers: is syllo not running anymore? [5:12:40 PM] Sandro Maculan: let me see [5:12:55 PM] Chaosers: and if he isn't [5:12:59 PM] Chaosers: why isn't he running anymore [5:15:05 PM] Sandro Maculan: oh [5:15:11 PM] Sandro Maculan: syllo will only run [5:15:16 PM] Sandro Maculan: if we can get both elected [5:15:23 PM] Chaosers: we both? [5:15:26 PM] Chaosers: you and him? [5:15:28 PM] Chaosers: what happened to mig? [5:15:29 PM] Sandro Maculan: if it looks like we can't only mig will run [5:15:31 PM] Sandro Maculan: no [5:15:36 PM] Sandro Maculan: mig and syllo [5:15:51 PM] Sandro Maculan: if we can get them both elected [5:15:52 PM] Chaosers: why doesn't he run regardless? [5:16:01 PM] Sandro Maculan: I dunno [5:16:04 PM] Chaosers: how can you ensure someone will get elected unless you run? [5:16:05 PM] Sandro Maculan: he doesn't want to spread [5:16:12 PM] Sandro Maculan: and run thin on votes I guess | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On October 15 2011 06:22 hiro protagonist wrote: I'll let you think about it for awhile... If you're implying that this is because the elected officials are likely to get alignment checked by DTs, it's a pretty weak argument. Whichever scumteam has a GF will forsure try to get him elected as mayor. Whichever scumteam has a framer will try to get a member elected. Whichever scumteam has agent of chaos will also try to get him elected. Admiral Ackbar as mayor would be good for scum as well. Methman as mayor would be good for scum. Vote rigger would be good for scum. Goldman Sachs would be good for scum. Floridian would be good for scum. Inventor (!!) would be good for scum. Role thief/Role swapper would be good for scum (just steal the #1 spot) That's 11 roles that could be potentially be very dangerous for town (and not at all bad for the scumteam) if elected to mayor. All of these roles are very likely to be picked up by scum, seeing as the focus of the plans was on detective/protection roles for town. Thus, I would argue that very few of these roles are in town hands and thus we are open to political manipulation. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
A scum vote rigger who is in office is basically unkillable for two days. An inventor could easily screw around with town as well, since that role almost has no limit and is entirely limited by creativity alone (plus with four scum scheming they could definitely do a lot more creative things with it than a single townie) teams with GF or framer are no brainers, that basically means the mayor is uncheckable for at least the first night (for the framer) Role thief and role swapper can be pretty bad too seeing as they can steal the #1 and then likely land the inventor role by day 2 | ||
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