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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
October 17 2011 01:19 GMT
#900
hey wbg

why is it that first you liked foolishness so much that you wanted him to run for office and you were so sure that he was town through your pms ... and then when someone said your name and his in the same post suddenly he's a null tell to you?
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
October 17 2011 01:26 GMT
#902
so you don't want to reveal why you think he is scummier than you thought he was before? how can you withholding this kind of information be beneficial to town? it's not like the thread is full of a lot of other stuff right now, this night has been pretty quiet.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
October 17 2011 01:34 GMT
#904
how do you know how many people he's PMd? has he PMd me? has he PMd you?
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
October 17 2011 01:58 GMT
#908
yea how are node and wbg and fool connected?
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
October 17 2011 01:59 GMT
#909
... that post was in relation to deconduo's post where he called for hit on foolishness
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
October 17 2011 02:02 GMT
#910
@wbg

i don't think you can safely conclude anything about foolishness' pm activity you seem more like you're bitter that suddenly he doesn't want to talk to you anymore and then you're letting your feelings get in the way of the game
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
October 17 2011 03:18 GMT
#924
kita swapper at #23

hmmm
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
October 17 2011 03:48 GMT
#935
who the hell would swap with a #23
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
October 17 2011 13:58 GMT
#985
alright first on what's going on

i don't get this kenpachi being swapper now, also i don't get how he could think that NKVD worked as he thought it did. it would be very powerful so why wouldn't town talk a lot about how we can secure it etc? he thought everybody else missed what he was sure about? how is he swapper when swapper already flipped?

in relation to kenpachi there is deconduo, but scamp is clearly copy cat -> america and we'll know much more about that when nuke lands so lets just wait it out.

arctocod came with a huge big list of people who are scum, and then he went for meapak. but i thought i'd seen that analysis before, mostly based on meta and on people not being as active as he'd like to. and looking a bit back i actually had seen it before. in a game where arctocod was scum and jack was town. a lot of people made insincere bids to the mayor position, kenpachi, greymist, chaoser just because he ran for mayor doesn't make him scum. and in the end he supported the same townie train that everybody voted for, i'm like 95% sure that both radfield and mig are townies at this point (not that i'm not watching them anyway).

what's in the meapak analysis is no where near damning, and just throwing accusations about isn't really very townie play to me. did you even PM meapak about any of this?

a lot of people have been complaining about meapak lately so maybe there's something to it but i really need to see someone make a decent case before i'll consider voting for him. and palmar is not nearly good enough a mafia player to use meta, mostly i'd say he just uses it to make his analysis seem better while in reality, it isn't. i don't like that at all.

foolishness

this is my foolishness irc log, for time reference, 5:00 was day2 deadline
+ Show Spoiler [my foolishness log] +

--- Log opened Sun Oct 16 23:07:07 2011
23:07 -!- Irssi: Starting query in QuakeNet with Foolishness
23:07 <Foolishness> yo
23:07 <Foolishness> you around?
--- Log closed Sun Oct 16 23:13:03 2011
--- Log opened Sun Oct 16 23:55:54 2011
23:55 <derpladee> yea kinda
23:56 <Foolishness> what numbers did you pick for the draft?
23:56 <Foolishness> I'm going through the numbers and something isn't quite making sense so I want to be sure
23:57 <derpladee> yea
23:57 <derpladee> i picked the ones i put in threa
23:57 <derpladee> d
23:57 <derpladee> 2/1
23:57 <Foolishness> oh?
23:57 <derpladee> oh.
23:57 <Foolishness> I didn't even realize you posted them in the thread
23:57 <Foolishness> lol
23:57 <Foolishness> must have missed your post
23:57 <derpladee> apprently
23:58 <Foolishness> haha okay good
23:58 <derpladee> what's not making sense
23:59 <derpladee> everybody gave numbers except arctocod
23:59 <derpladee> and they all look good
23:59 <Foolishness> yeah I just realized I made a mistake withthat
23:59 <Foolishness> I think it looks fine
23:59 <derpladee> cool
--- Day changed Mon Oct 17 2011
00:02 <derpladee> it's funny how noone picked 3/3
00:02 <derpladee> the winning numbers from last pyp game
00:02 <Foolishness> haha perhaps it was a "I bet multiple people are picking those numbers so I won't"
00:03 <derpladee> well what about 1/1
00:03 <derpladee> 5 people went for that
00:03 <derpladee> a case of "i bet noone are picking those so i will" ?
00:03 <Foolishness> well in the first pyp game I was 3rd on the draft with 1,1
00:03 <Foolishness> and in the last PYP I played I got 7 or 8 with 1,1
00:03 <Foolishness> haha
00:03 <derpladee> this time you're like third last
00:03 <Foolishness> so my track record was good with those numbers
00:03 <Foolishness> yesss
00:03 <Foolishness> :
--- Log closed Mon Oct 17 00:09:03 2011
--- Log opened Mon Oct 17 03:41:18 2011
03:41 -!- Irssi: Starting query in QuakeNet with Foolishness
03:41 <derpladee> hey how do you feel about wbg?
03:41 <derpladee> i'm going for cutest player award
03:41 <Foolishness> he's so freakin annoying
03:41 <Foolishness> gosh
03:42 <derpladee> for real?
03:42 <Foolishness> yes
03:42 <Foolishness> like
03:42 <Foolishness> day 1
03:42 <Foolishness> we talked quite a bit
03:42 <Foolishness> and I thought we were on the same page
03:42 <Foolishness> BUT APPARENTLY NOT
03:42 <derpladee> what made you change your mind so much
03:42 <Foolishness> that guy is so spontaneous
03:42 <Foolishness> never thinks things through
03:42 <derpladee> well spontaneous is good isn't it
03:42 <derpladee> gives people a clear read
03:42 <derpladee> when it's overly thought through
03:42 <Foolishness> I guess so
03:42 <derpladee> like when you talk on forums sometimes scum have enough time to think of a nice answer
03:43 <Foolishness> he's town
03:43 <Foolishness> but just impossible to work with
03:43 <derpladee> but on irc it's different
03:43 <derpladee> i see
03:43 <derpladee> is that why you didn't talk to him lately?
03:44 <Foolishness> yes
03:45 <derpladee> what were you working on?
03:45 <derpladee> was it just you two or did you have like a group of people
03:45 <Foolishness> just us two
03:45 <Foolishness> we thought that chaoser might be linked to radfield
03:45 <derpladee> 'cause you seem to agree a lot in the thread
03:46 <Foolishness> yeah as I said we talked a lot day 1
03:46 <derpladee> like, your filter is mostly something related to him
03:46 <derpladee> and it's a bit weird i think, for a guy like you to talk extensively and work so closely together with a guy like him
03:46 <Foolishness> well he has an open mind
03:46 <derpladee> i think mostly what he's got going is enthusiasm and fervor (sp?)
03:47 <Foolishness> lol yeah that's a good way to put it
03:47 <derpladee> why did you decide to work with him
03:47 <derpladee> and not like maybe kenpachi
03:47 <Foolishness> lol kenpachi!
03:47 <derpladee> what's lol about him?
03:47 <Foolishness> it's kenpachi!
03:48 <Foolishness> looool
03:48 <derpladee> but he's pretty good!
03:48 <Foolishness> yeah he's quite the interesting character
03:48 <derpladee> and then he's got your style
03:48 <derpladee> don't say anything ever and then have all the answers
03:48 <Foolishness> but to answer your question we talked a lot day 1
03:48 <Foolishness> I guess we just agreed on a lot of things?
03:48 <Foolishness> dunno it was so long ago haha
03:48 <derpladee> i just think it's weird that you two would talk a lot when you are foolishness and he's wbg
03:49 <derpladee> but you're foolishness! you're a tlmafia forum legend
03:49 <derpladee> surely you can remember stuff that happened not more than a couple days ago
03:49 <Foolishness> well who am I supposed to talk to then? lol
03:49 <derpladee> there are a lot of players in this game i just think it's a bit weird that you decided mostly just to talk to wbg
03:49 <Foolishness> well I remember us debating peoples' innocence, trying to get the right person elected/lynched, then looking for connections between chaoser and radfield
03:50 <Foolishness> haha don't worry I'm in contact with a number of people
03:50 <derpladee> okay cool
03:50 <derpladee> like chaoser and kita?
03:50 <Foolishness> it's been slow so I haven't really talked to anyone today though
03:50 <derpladee> slow thread usually means busy pm
03:50 <Foolishness> yes chaoser
03:51 <Foolishness> kita spend an entire day bothering me
03:51 <Foolishness> about a 5th party
03:51 <derpladee> didn't prot say that there aren't any 5th party members
03:51 <Foolishness> did he? I wasn't paying attention really
03:52 <Foolishness> I was really busy the first day
03:52 <Foolishness> in the game busy I mean
03:52 <Foolishness> and also
03:52 <Foolishness> the Radfield group don't like to talk to me, so I generally avoid them as much as I can
03:52 <derpladee> i think people were talking about it in relation to dropbear's idea to frame as 5th party so people could see who he framed
03:53 <derpladee> but that's no way to play mafia is it
03:53 <Foolishness> and since they're the most vocal of the groups so far, it might sound like I'm not active cause none of them are talking to me
03:53 <derpladee> just don't talk to people
03:53 <derpladee> but wbg is the one saying you're not active
03:54 <derpladee> he's hardly in the radfield group, he's more in the ... i don't know whatever group you're in
03:54 <derpladee> grouping is silly anyway
03:54 <Foolishness> I think so too but that's the easiest way to describe it
03:54 <Foolishness> I don't know what wbg is up to
03:54 <Foolishness> but I'm kinda in a rut here
03:55 <Foolishness> I need the day post to really do anything
03:55 <derpladee> what do you mean?
03:55 <Foolishness> I need to see who dies before I can make any more progress
03:56 <derpladee> (zoology) Sexual desire or oestrus of cattle, and various other mammals
03:56 <derpladee> ... i just looked up rut
03:56 <derpladee> i'm not sure what to think about this
03:56 <Foolishness> no not that rut
03:56 <Foolishness> loool
03:56 <Foolishness> although that's quite an interesting definition you found
03:59 <Foolishness> man this game has been such a sine wave for me
03:59 <derpladee> what you mean
04:00 <derpladee> sometimes you know who is scum and sometimes you don't?
04:00 <Foolishness> as soon as something really good happens, something really bad comes along
04:00 <derpladee> or sometimes you care about the game and sometimes you don't?
04:00 <derpladee> what really good and really bad has happened lately?
04:01 <Foolishness> well
04:01 <Foolishness> at one point
04:01 <Foolishness> I knew almost all of the night hits
04:01 <Foolishness> but that got comprimised
04:02 <Foolishness> so now I'm just waiting to see what happens
04:02 <derpladee> what do you mean knew all night hits
04:02 <derpladee> from all scum and all vigs?
04:03 <Foolishness> not all of them
04:03 <Foolishness> but quite a few
04:03 <derpladee> how did you get to know that?
04:03 <derpladee> i mean the radfield group has to have a lot of scum/vigs since it's arguably the bigger group (he's mayor after all)
04:04 <Foolishness> lol what do you think I've been doing since the game started? =P
04:04 <derpladee> and you said you don't talk to us folk again
04:04 <derpladee> well
04:04 <derpladee> i honestly haven't a clue
04:04 <derpladee> this is the first time i talk to you
04:04 <Foolishness> haha good
04:05 <derpladee> how can you know who all scum groups are hitting
04:05 <derpladee> i imagine vigs could potentially claim to you if they think you're town
04:05 <derpladee> but no mafia is gonna claim vig and use the mafia's kill to corroborate tha
04:05 <Foolishness> oh of course not
04:05 <Foolishness> mafia will claim mafia, not vigi
04:06 <derpladee> who claimed mafia to you?
04:07 <Foolishness> well nobody outright claimed it
04:07 <derpladee> no i didn't think they would either
04:07 <Foolishness> haha but there's more than one way to claim
04:08 <derpladee> well
04:08 <Foolishness> actions speak louder than words?
04:08 <derpladee> who didn't outright claim to you but claimed nonetheless
04:08 <derpladee> i have a really hard time
04:08 <derpladee> finding scum in this game
04:08 <derpladee> which is weird 'cause there are so many of them
04:08 <Foolishness> mmm well
04:08 <Foolishness> it's probably because you're treating this game like any other game of mafia
04:08 <derpladee> i never played multifactional
04:08 <derpladee> or pyp
04:09 <derpladee> i'm confused as hell
04:09 <Foolishness> haha good learning experience then!
04:09 <derpladee> i had no idea about picking strategies or anything in the beginning
04:09 <derpladee> well yea i'm hoping so
04:11 <derpladee> ... but seriously, who do you think is scum
04:12 <Foolishness> meapak
04:13 <derpladee> the guy is inventor
04:13 <derpladee> isn't that a self-confirming role?
04:13 <derpladee> why do you think he's scum?
04:13 <Foolishness> a lot of his actions don't make sense
04:14 <Foolishness> why would he claim inventor
04:14 <derpladee> he's afraid of hits?
04:14 <Foolishness> why jokingly run for office
04:14 <derpladee> a lot of people jokingly ran for office
04:15 <derpladee> why is this making him scum?
04:15 <derpladee> i think mostly he's been under the radar really
04:16 <Foolishness> yes, I like focusing on the under the radar people
04:16 <Foolishness> wait, who else jokingly ran for office?
04:17 <derpladee> kenpachi?
04:17 <Foolishness> I guess wiggles, but I also think he's mafia lol
04:17 <Foolishness> oohhhhh right
04:17 <derpladee> i don't think so much wiggles
04:17 <Foolishness> hmm
04:17 <derpladee> wiggles defended his position and all
04:17 <Foolishness> I haven't talked to kenpachi, I wonder if anyone else has though
04:19 <derpladee> uh i think someone told me that they had talked to him or something
--- Log closed Mon Oct 17 04:24:03 2011
--- Log opened Mon Oct 17 05:17:33 2011
05:17 <derpladee> so how about that flip huh
05:19 <Foolishness> I'm confused lol
05:22 <derpladee> you think swapper was dropped to kita?
05:22 <Foolishness> what do you mean?
05:22 <derpladee> i mean swapper is a cool role
05:22 <derpladee> that #3 pick was supposed to take according to all those lists
05:27 <Foolishness> Mig just answered that in the chat?
05:27 <derpladee> yea he did
--- Log closed Mon Oct 17 05:33:03 2011


what i don't like about a guy like foolishness is that he's one of those names you hear a lot on this forum, but he hasn't done anything in this game yet. just about all of his posts so far have been him supporting wbg or otherwise talking about wbg related stuff, but the second decon pointed out that they might be connected, they both start distancing themselves for each other. wbg, who actively pushed for foolishness's election now says that foolishness is a null tell because of a bout of inactiveness. foolishness, as you can see in my log says

+ Show Spoiler [why foolishness suddenly doesn't…] +

03:41 <derpladee> hey how do you feel about wbg?
03:41 <Foolishness> he's so freakin annoying
03:41 <Foolishness> gosh
03:42 <derpladee> for real?
03:42 <Foolishness> yes
03:42 <Foolishness> like
03:42 <Foolishness> day 1
03:42 <Foolishness> we talked quite a bit
03:42 <Foolishness> and I thought we were on the same page
03:42 <Foolishness> BUT APPARENTLY NOT
03:42 <derpladee> what made you change your mind so much
03:42 <Foolishness> that guy is so spontaneous
03:42 <Foolishness> never thinks things through


citing what might be the most obvious flaws in wbg's play, the guy is ALWAYS spontaneous and he NEVER thinks things through and he's ALWAYS so freakin annoying. so why did foolishness even talk to him in the first place? foolishness could have talked to anyone but he mostly decides to just talk to wbg, this seems weird to me unless they are somehow connected. i ask him why he even bothered with wbg in the first place with his obvious character flaws and foolishness says

+ Show Spoiler [lol i dunno, i guess i forgot] +

03:48 <Foolishness> but to answer your question we talked a lot day 1
03:48 <Foolishness> I guess we just agreed on a lot of things?
03:48 <Foolishness> dunno it was so long ago haha
03:48 <derpladee> i just think it's weird that you two would talk a lot when you are foolishness and he's wbg
03:49 <derpladee> but you're foolishness! you're a tlmafia forum legend
03:49 <derpladee> surely you can remember stuff that happened not more than a couple days ago
03:49 <Foolishness> well who am I supposed to talk to then? lol
03:49 <derpladee> there are a lot of players in this game i just think it's a bit weird that you decided mostly just to talk to wbg


at this point foolishness says that wbg isn't the only one he's talked to

+ Show Spoiler [kita and chaoser] +

03:50 <Foolishness> haha don't worry I'm in contact with a number of people
03:50 <derpladee> okay cool
03:50 <derpladee> like chaoser and kita?
03:50 <Foolishness> it's been slow so I haven't really talked to anyone today though
03:50 <derpladee> slow thread usually means busy pm
03:50 <Foolishness> yes chaoser
03:51 <Foolishness> kita spend an entire day bothering me
03:51 <Foolishness> about a 5th party
03:51 <derpladee> didn't prot say that there aren't any 5th party members
03:51 <Foolishness> did he? I wasn't paying attention really
03:52 <Foolishness> I was really busy the first day
03:52 <Foolishness> in the game busy I mean
03:52 <Foolishness> and also
03:52 <Foolishness> the Radfield group don't like to talk to me, so I generally avoid them as much as I can
03:52 <derpladee> i think people were talking about it in relation to dropbear's idea to frame as 5th party so people could see who he framed
03:53 <derpladee> but that's no way to play mafia is it
03:53 <Foolishness> and since they're the most vocal of the groups so far, it might sound like I'm not active cause none of them are talking to me


so foolishness also talked to chaoser and kita in PMs and since he was really busy he must have talked to them quite a bit. they were both scum, but did he talk about that in the thread at all? no. foolishness is supposed to be a guy who picks up on stuff and even though he's actively PMing with two scum he doesn't pick up on ANYTHING. weird.

also he says that he was really busy first day but people might not know. well, if town don't know about your activity then what good is it to us?

+ Show Spoiler [but i'm so good!] +

04:01 <Foolishness> well
04:01 <Foolishness> at one point
04:01 <Foolishness> I knew almost all of the night hits
04:01 <Foolishness> but that got comprimised
04:02 <Foolishness> so now I'm just waiting to see what happens


he almost knew everything about everybody in the game, but then not really so now he's just lurking it out. wat?!

finally

+ Show Spoiler [who's scummy] +

04:11 <derpladee> ... but seriously, who do you think is scum
04:12 <Foolishness> meapak
04:13 <derpladee> the guy is inventor
04:13 <derpladee> isn't that a self-confirming role?
04:13 <derpladee> why do you think he's scum?
04:13 <Foolishness> a lot of his actions don't make sense
04:14 <Foolishness> why would he claim inventor
04:14 <derpladee> he's afraid of hits?
04:14 <Foolishness> why jokingly run for office
04:14 <derpladee> a lot of people jokingly ran for office
04:15 <derpladee> why is this making him scum?
04:15 <derpladee> i think mostly he's been under the radar really
04:16 <Foolishness> yes, I like focusing on the under the radar people
04:16 <Foolishness> wait, who else jokingly ran for office?
04:17 <derpladee> kenpachi?
04:17 <Foolishness> I guess wiggles, but I also think he's mafia lol
04:17 <Foolishness> oohhhhh right


no pushing his views at all, just saying that meapak is scum. honestly, i've been getting a lot of "meapak is scum" lately so there might be something about it but foolishness' entire argument is 10 words long. sounds like he didn't give it any thoughts at all.

finally there's his connection with wbg that i want to talk about. first wbg struck me as being a lot less chaotic than he used to be but when he changed that i thought that maybe he'd just fallen into his lotr ways where he almost got lynched day1 for being insane. but still, "i'm insane" is not a good excuse for being insane. i get a lot more scummyness from foolishness because of my past experiences with wbg, but the two are so interconnected that one's flip will surely affect my read on the other.

foolishness needs to step it up

##Vote Foolishness
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
October 18 2011 18:58 GMT
#1109
i'm fine with lynching meapak and shed some light on this. while he's just been very open about everything, and that's usually not a sign of scum going down, he didn't actually say too much. i think there's a somewhat decent chance that he's scum and i think that he hasn't been all that useful so far so no biggie. also rad+cod+m/s/s supports this and i've no reason to distrust them for now.

##Vote Meapak_Ziphh
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
October 18 2011 21:18 GMT
#1134
okay this is stupid

why aren't we lynching jimbo? if he's the real inventor then he doesn't have an excuse for not inventing anything. it's more reasonable to think that meapak was framed than it is to think that jimbo FORGOT to invent something. i mean come on if you take a role like inventor and orchestrate something as big as this switcheroo, it's because you are going to invent stuff. also meapak chose rockstar, why wouldn't he choose NRA if he was scum? then he would have taken at least framer and a DT with him to the grave instead of this.

also he acted his inventor role out pretty well imo except for outing in thread that he was gonna pick inventor before he did it. jimbo is a lot better target for a lynch today. meapak can be lynched tomorrow but right now we know that he's rockstar and he's not dangerous to town at all. jimbo could be anything, nra, KP, or protective role, and that's infinitely more dangerous than a dude who can just sit there and wait for his execution unless he can prevent it by being town.

that said he is doing a terrible job of that so far, he's said a lot but he's still not talking.

##Unvote Meapak_Ziphh
##Vote JimboSilvers


@heist sandroba knew because he is meapak's bodyguard
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
October 18 2011 22:49 GMT
#1168
Can mods please clarify, because this is also very unclear from the rules, that it is illegal to impersonate people in PMs.

Jesus christ.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
October 18 2011 22:54 GMT
#1176
@scamp

lol i forgot to vote on foolishness in the first place too .. i forgot the voting thread day1 too dunno what it is. anyway, death to meapak and jimbo.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
October 18 2011 23:03 GMT
#1182
well at least then there's not consensus among hosts about it 'cause i asked kitaman (host) in xlv and he said that it was against the rules but i guess that might not apply to this game ..

i cannot wait another second for the new model op 'cause the current one is ... i need to do some push ups right now
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
October 18 2011 23:18 GMT
#1190
this is a game about behavioral analysis

game

behavioral analysis

this isn't a game about technical shit like ips. you are not supposed to gain an edge from knowing stuff about ips. likewise, you are not supposed to gain an edge from the ability of breaking into people's houses and hold their pets hostage for their alignment, EVEN THOUGH there's not technically anything in the rules about this. why? because this is a game about behavioral analysis. ip checks? jesus christ i cannot possibly express myself right now.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
October 19 2011 00:00 GMT
#1205
paranoia isn't gonna strike, the tiresome process of gathering ips and sending pms confirming stuff over tl.net and comparing to your list every time you talk to people strikes. a lot of fun added to this game right there.

btw my ip is 188.176.9.176 and my skype is cptspectacular

also, was i the only one who just found the entire house tudor in a matter of 10 mins?
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
October 20 2011 11:35 GMT
#1296
okay not a lot of people talked during the night but we absolutely cannot let this continue into the day. last night a bullet bill felled one of the scum but everybody knows that relying on blues is a sure way for town to die out. while rad+mig have done a great job so far, it's still 5 scum out of 14 players, this is still very dangerous. one mislynch, one misfire from our scum shooting vigilante, one misfired nuke from scamp, and one round of successful shots into town by mafia will bring us to 5 scum out of 9 players by day2. this would not be a great position for town, we cannot allow a mislynch today.

i realize that all the shenanigans pulled by the rad+mig group yesterday where the lynch was pretty much decided all day long because of a successful dt check (and cemented by a terrible defense), we cannot just sit on our hands today and wait until 12 hours before deadline when rad will finally tell us who we're going to lynch. we need to provide content and provide analysis. it's really a shame that rad+mig felt like outing that they had a bullet bill, they could very likely have gotten meapak lynched anyway and the bullet bill revelation just served to make town more lazy i feel.

so everybody needs to get posting.

scamp

the guy basically spends day0 as most other people, commenting a bit on plans and on the setup. nothing incrimination but nothing that gives a town vibe either. then comes his first post with more than just a few lines


On October 16 2011 00:00 Scamp wrote:
You probably shouldn't talk about XLV since it's not finished yet.

+ Show Spoiler +

On October 15 2011 16:33 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 16:15 Scamp wrote:
Oh sweet. In PMs he's town. Yes that's convincing.

Greymist what did WBG PM you about?


Basically the mayoral race, current scumreads, the like

In fact, your name came up once or twice, namely regarding this post:


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On October 14 2011 11:49 Scamp wrote:
Jimbo is exactly right. Luckily there's not much time left so everyone's prolly sent in their picks already.

The reality is that there are 12 mafia and 16 townies. That is an absurdly ridiculous ratio. If I were mafia I'd take whatever kills as much as possible and just start massacring everything.

The only way the town can win is if the mafia shoot each other. If the mafia families suck then the town is screwed. (Actually, the last multiple-mafia-family game I was in ended in a tie thanks to late modkills and my medical prowess.)

I really hope the discussion caused mafia members to try to take investigative roles.


I refuse to believe i am the only one who receives creeps from this post. instead of talking about what the town needs to do, you basically say "well, I guess we just sit back and pray we don't die boys, oh and this is how scum should play." How can a player who is supposed to play from a pro town perspective post something that is so anti-town in every way imaginable? I have yet to see such a defeatist attitude in any post in the thread to date.

In fact all of your posts share a similar feel to them.
In light of this do you have any original thoughts regarding the state of the game?


Actually, I think you're the only one who got the creeps from my post. Maybe WBG too, I dunno.

Why? Because you're quoting it and removing all the context. I was explaining how a lot of the plans about drafting roles were coming from people who had the wrong idea about the game.

I find it odd that you ask me for original ideas because you're the one running for mayor and you never have any.

But here, I'll throw you a bone. Why don't you look at the people who insisted on having people claim their numbers and then did nothing with the information at all?



On October 15 2011 16:33 wherebugsgo wrote:
Scamp, let me ask you this:

why are you never in IRC?


I don't have IRC.



greymist has a couple of good points (that are still valid). scamp's defense is that greymist is the only one who "got the creeps", but if he really feels that way why devote his biggest post so far to a defense against it? then he goes on the offensive and claims that greymist have done no good this game so far himself.

next post i want to talk about is

+ Show Spoiler +

On October 16 2011 21:59 Scamp wrote:
I'm not sure that Node had the role of 'America'. It seems to be flavor. In any event, it is exceptionally unlikely that multiple teams went for an america/politician combo if he was America since he draft so far down the list.



right now it's pretty clear that scamp at this point knew 100% that node was america, because scamp copy-catted the role. why did he then show up and feel the need to sow confusion in town by claiming that you couldn't be sure? scamp lied to town here and i have no idea why.

then comes kenpachi's claim that he nkvd checked deconduo and found him to be tudor. scamp immediately sees this as a golden opportunity to kill someone for town credit without even stopping to consider that deconduo could have been framed or that kenpachi could be lying. he proceeds to post these two posts:

+ Show Spoiler +

On October 17 2011 14:18 Scamp wrote:
I personally can't see any reason not to do this so yeah...

##Nuke: Deconduo



+ Show Spoiler +

On October 17 2011 16:02 Scamp wrote:
Clearly I am claiming America. So there.

WBG you have it wrong, the nuke falls at the end of the day, not in 12 hours. I have to use it prior 12 hours before the day ends.

If Decon doesn't flip Tudor we should kill Kenpachi.



first he shoots, and then he says that in case decon isn't scum, he shouldn't take any blame himself but instead kenpachi should get looked at. he is also not resorting to any sort of analysis himself. scum don't like posting analysis because the more content, the more chances there are that they'll say something stupid. scamp is trying to buy free town credit here, he gets rid of a scum, cool, he's not tudor himself. he gets rid of a townie? KILL KENPACHI.

there's no reason to think that scamp is town (and i haven't heard from anybody in PM land that he should be town) and he has not even tried to post original content. he has like 10 posts where his primary goal is to get easy town credit and to overly defend himself from what he claims to be bad accusations.

##Vote Scamp

i'm also hoping to get answers from the awesome hosts about that house chezinu thing but i can't imagine that it's anything but a funny. i seem to remember that in connection with dropbear's "i'll frame 5th party" host said that there was only the four factions mentioned in topic. also chezinu didn't participate in the war of the roses.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
October 20 2011 19:51 GMT
#1307
@scamp

there was absolutely no hesitation in your nuke to stop up and say "maybe decon was framed" or "are we to trust kenpachi on this?" i can only see scum benefiting from this. you can always just say "oh yea i thought kenpachi was telling the truth lets lynch him!". your rhetoric serves to justify that you are now killing somebody but that's not your fault, which is good for scum. if you are mafia and you kill someone who you know isn't on your team it's good no matter what. if you're town you need to think twice before doing anything crazy.

@radfield

this is all pretty cool with supersoft and jacuzzi and sinani. i just don't see why you think that these guys are scum. you are not arguing or anything, where does this come from? you can't have dt checked all of them. say you BB'd sinani, he claimed hider and you found a gun on him. shoot him. where do the rest of the guys slip up?

i just don't like lynching without getting any information whatsoever. it's pretty cool that you lynched scum before but i really still think that you need to put forward some information. as half assed as palmar's meapak analysis was there was stuff in there to convince people, i think you're missing that here.

@supersoft

hider can be pro-town but then you need to hide behind people who do less analysis/work than you do, and you need to tell people that you hid behind them. who did you hide behind and why? who did you tell your hide-behind target? start talking

@mig

how do i fit wiggles medic target night1? after i told you i tried to pick dreamflower and you told me that you also knew that there was a dreamflower in the game i was virtually guaranteed to be town. why would you shoot me and not lynch me? there were tons of people calling out for my lynch but you decided on node instead. also town had like no kp i'm sure wiggles used his medic powers to protect someone who was likely to be shot by scum, which wasn't me. palmar was town and only he and a couple in rad+mig circle knew about my claim so i probably still appeared scummy to scum, but also to town. they'd hope that town would take care of me instead.

i think that last lancaster is a player who appeared a lot more townie and a lot less scummy than i did to everybody day1. this fits jacuzzi, sandroba and kenpachi. kenpachi chose nkvd and that would be crazy for scum unless they have assassin and nothing looks like there's an assassin in this game so i doubt that he is scum. i also think that it fits scamp and to a certain extend wbg.

sinani could just be afk but i agree that it's better to have him dead than to have a total null read coming with us further into this game.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
October 20 2011 20:46 GMT
#1321
still waiting for the list of people you hid behind and who you told and logs with palmar ...
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
October 20 2011 22:05 GMT
#1340
##Vote sinani206

don't really want a dude around who doesn't say a single word
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