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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
October 13 2011 03:12 GMT
#385
[9][1] for me
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
October 13 2011 05:00 GMT
#402
After we all recieve our roles, should those who became vanilla townies reveal themselves and their picks? we would know for sure some roles would be in the game, but we once again would get the problem that everyone would know the general area that that role exists. I personally feel that it is worth the risk. We get to know for certain what roles are in the game, and can plan accordingly.
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United States6736 Posts
October 13 2011 05:33 GMT
#406
Alright thanks, I did not consider that reasoning
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United States6736 Posts
October 13 2011 17:51 GMT
#449
Its like saying "guys i have a super secrete plan to screw over mafia, here it is!"
I mean yea we will know if there is a framer in the game if you do this, but i think it was already safe to assume there was going to be one with its power for the mafia.
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United States6736 Posts
October 13 2011 22:39 GMT
#473
I think we should maybe prioritize the KP roles listed in radfield's list a little bit higher. as a lot of you have said scum will want them too, so if we save them for the end of the line they most likely will all be gone. whereas scum dont want investigative/protective roles as much as we do, so we can afford to have them near the bottom of the list.
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United States6736 Posts
October 13 2011 22:42 GMT
#474
On October 14 2011 07:38 Radfield wrote:
Here's the thing with the mayor. In a normal set-up. one scum HAS to run for mayor, as not competing for the elected roles leaves you at a serious disadvantage. However, running for mayor also comes at a cost to mafia, as they have to spotlight themselves. Increased scrutiny goes hand in hand with running for mayor.

It is very viable for any single mafia team to simply not run, and hope that some other scum team competes and spotlights themselves. Discussion will center around every candidate running, so the ability to stay out of the spotlight while still splitting up the elected roles between multiple teams is a tempting prospect.

A couple guidelines for running for mayor as i see them:

* Do not run for mayor if you are dreamflower or Doctor
* Do not run for mayor if you are vanilla townie, unless you are a solid scumhunter(or have zero faith in any of the other options)


_______________

Framer+ NRA member poses an interesting problem. If a town player takes NRA member, the optimal play is to claim, but only if the framer has also claimed. An NRA member can absolutely NOT CLAIM if the framer is hidden. As pointed out by others, the framer could simply direct any claimed blues into the NRA member.

For this reason, I think it makes sense for Dropbear to go for Framer. I haven't fully thought of all the possibilities, but in my current wine-addled state this makes a lot of sense. There exists the possibility for Dropbear to be mafia, but I don't think there is very much mischief he can cause to us by lying, especially compared with the amount of attention he would draw on himself. Cost benefit analysis says he should draft Framer.

However, the thief/roleswapper is a problem as they could swipe the power. Dropbear can't simply come out into the thread and claim he got it. This is where Chaosers Qatol plan comes in. If a player lower down takes Qatol, they can PM Dropbear and ask him if he got framer, then ban him if he did. This nullifies the power, and leaves us in good shape.

This is a bit convoluted I admit, but I do like the idea of Dropbear going for Framer. Not much risk vs moderate reward.

________________________



Kenpachi, you have the second overall pick. I'd love to hear your overall thoughts on the game so far.

Mig, I'd like to hear your thoughts too. Is our current townie picking plan a good one? What are potential downfalls? Are there any roles that should be on the tier list? Etc.



Protact, I think you missed this question when i asked it earlier:

If cupid tries to tie the NRA member to another player, will cupid be killed?

also

What order are actions performed in. If a role swapper and thief both target the same player, which person gets the role? First player to send in their action I presume?




But what if dropbear is scum, gets framer, and replies that he failed to get it? Qatol then fails to ban the framer, and the shitstorm ensues.
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GreYMisT
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United States6736 Posts
October 13 2011 23:13 GMT
#477
On October 14 2011 08:12 Jackal58 wrote:
Qatol can ban daily. It's not a one off power.


yea just figured that out....
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GreYMisT
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United States6736 Posts
October 14 2011 00:52 GMT
#486
Radfield why put copy cat so low on the list? seems to me that that role should be prioritized very early on. iirc its what saved the town in pyp insane.
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GreYMisT
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United States6736 Posts
October 14 2011 04:52 GMT
#505
On October 14 2011 13:49 chaoser wrote:
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On October 14 2011 13:32 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I'm going to prioritize my vote based on who the mayor will lynch day 1, and the candidates position in the draft order (Alongside filtering out people who seem scummy of course).
The draft order thing is because if the person is scum, they are less likely to have a top tier role, and therefore can't abuse their power to the same extent. Any candidates seeking my vote should provide this information


Obviously you should vote me since I am both in the middle of the order (albeit low middle) and also have a lynch target. Also, I put up a picture of Mike Haggar. And he is awesome. He can beat up any stupid stick figures and numbers mean nothing to him.


So who is your lynch target?
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GreYMisT
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United States6736 Posts
October 14 2011 21:43 GMT
#601
On October 15 2011 06:22 hiro protagonist wrote:
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On October 15 2011 06:20 wherebugsgo wrote:
Wtf why on earth would the scumteams NOT run for mayor?

Are you seriously that naive/bad?


I'll let you think about it for awhile...


I for one would be interested to hear you expound upon this, why would scum see it as a bad idea to have someone in a mayor office, who cant die until the bodygaurd does, and who can choose the lynch day1?
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GreYMisT
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United States6736 Posts
October 14 2011 22:01 GMT
#605
On October 15 2011 06:54 hiro protagonist wrote:
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On October 15 2011 06:43 GreYMisT wrote:
On October 15 2011 06:22 hiro protagonist wrote:
On October 15 2011 06:20 wherebugsgo wrote:
Wtf why on earth would the scumteams NOT run for mayor?

Are you seriously that naive/bad?


I'll let you think about it for awhile...


I for one would be interested to hear you expound upon this, why would scum see it as a bad idea to have someone in a mayor office, who cant die until the bodygaurd does, and who can choose the lynch day1?


they can both die by lynch.


well yea but so can scum that arnt in office.
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
October 15 2011 04:21 GMT
#661
I have tried to talk to a lot of you guys who are running through IRC, please let me know if I have missed anyone.

I agree with a number of people in the thread that have said we need to elect a mayor who we feel most comfortable being not mafia, that for me is Jimbo. I talked with him on IRC a bit and while I am not 100% convinced obviously, I feel more comfortable with him as mayor than the other candidates at the moment. Even before the elections began he was posting with a very clear headed no fluff style, and when he announced his candidacy he said exactly what he wanted to do and why. As far as the pardoner role is concerned I defiantly think he should completely refrain from using his power unless role mechanics alter the lynch. Again, I will be hanging out on IRC if you have any questions.

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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
October 15 2011 05:39 GMT
#664
[image loading]

HOLD IT

After talking a lot privately with multitudes of players I have learned there is a lot of dissatisfaction with those running at the moment. Although I still feel like jimbo is the best option out of the current canidates I thought I would give everyone another option.

I do not have past games to reference, nor do I have vast connections built up after many games played here. i also dont have a gamebreaking plan, or 100% town reads.

But what I do have is the ability to be a clear minded, transparent mayor. while i dont post as much as others, and my posts are always doomed to fall on the beginning and ends of pages, I try to be active as much as possible in IRC, and the posts that I do make have only one agenda, achieve the victory condition of the town.

So vote GreYMisT, I will do my absolute best to win with a town united, and the scum fallen.

If you have any questions for me at all, please feel free to ask me in thread, IRC, or through PMs.
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
October 15 2011 07:11 GMT
#673
On October 15 2011 15:50 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I'm up for putting Greymist in office, If his answer these is satisfactory I think he'd be best as pardoner, because that's the more powerful role of the two.

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On October 14 2011 13:32 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I'm going to prioritize my vote based on who the mayor will lynch day 1, and the candidates position in the draft order (Alongside filtering out people who seem scummy of course).
The draft order thing is because if the person is scum, they are less likely to have a top tier role, and therefore can't abuse their power to the same extent. Any candidates seeking my vote should provide this information


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On October 15 2011 05:47 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
At this point in time, my top three likely votes are for wiggles/radfield/jimbo.
If you were on that list, please publicly state two things for me.
The first being who you would lynch right now and why, and the second is if you could choose mayor and pardoner now, excluding yourself, who would they be and why?


As for mayor. It's still between wiggles/radfield/jimbo, leaning on wiggles because he's the only one to have answered to both of these posts in the thread, and against jimbo because of his high spot in the drafting.


The day is only halfway done, but if it were to stop right now and I was elected I would lynch Chaoser. a number of things about his play have set me off. Most of my reasoning comes from the early stages of the game, where we were discussing plans. If you notice he tries to find holes in almost every plan, rather than providing solutions or a plan of his own. In fact he presents very few original ideas or concepts at all. overall, this is not the chaoser i knew in LOTR and WW. I also agree with other points brought up about him, and would love to see him respond to these.

As for your second question, out of the current canidates I would put jimbo as mayor and Mig as pardoner if i had to choose right now. My reasoning for Jimbo i have already expressed earlier in the thread, and while admittadly the whole mig/sandro/syllo connection does make me a bit uneasy, Mig and the rest of the town i think agrees that the pardoner should only use his power to change the vote if it is being rigged/bought. If he is scum we just end him if he misuses this. his post about what he would do as pardoner I agree with as well.

I hope this answered your questions.
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
October 15 2011 07:33 GMT
#675
On October 15 2011 16:15 Scamp wrote:
Oh sweet. In PMs he's town. Yes that's convincing.

Greymist what did WBG PM you about?


Basically the mayoral race, current scumreads, the like

In fact, your name came up once or twice, namely regarding this post:


On October 14 2011 11:49 Scamp wrote:
Jimbo is exactly right. Luckily there's not much time left so everyone's prolly sent in their picks already.

The reality is that there are 12 mafia and 16 townies. That is an absurdly ridiculous ratio. If I were mafia I'd take whatever kills as much as possible and just start massacring everything.

The only way the town can win is if the mafia shoot each other. If the mafia families suck then the town is screwed. (Actually, the last multiple-mafia-family game I was in ended in a tie thanks to late modkills and my medical prowess.)

I really hope the discussion caused mafia members to try to take investigative roles.


I refuse to believe i am the only one who receives creeps from this post. instead of talking about what the town needs to do, you basically say "well, I guess we just sit back and pray we don't die boys, oh and this is how scum should play." How can a player who is supposed to play from a pro town perspective post something that is so anti-town in every way imaginable? I have yet to see such a defeatist attitude in any post in the thread to date.

In fact all of your posts share a similar feel to them.
In light of this do you have any original thoughts regarding the state of the game?
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
October 15 2011 19:18 GMT
#736
On October 16 2011 04:06 kitaman27 wrote:
By the way, I tracked chaoser to a kill tonight.


Have any QT logs with radfield you can post? i think we need to confirm you as a tracker.
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GreYMisT
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United States6736 Posts
October 15 2011 19:49 GMT
#745
On October 16 2011 04:41 chaoser wrote:
Aside from sandroba I'd like to make a case against Prphlz:

The first post of his that stood out to me was:

Show nested quote +
also after rednkted's last post i just realized that with town going for prot roles, people will be free to derp it up all they want


What??? But from playing with him in LOTR I understand that he has word vomit so I understand if he's just being stupid but...

not only does he ask for a coach before the game started:

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On October 12 2011 04:07 prplhz wrote:
@GMarshal

you up for some light coaching too? i just noticed that there are no coaches attached to this game at all


but he also jsut agrees with everyone and says nothing original:


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On October 14 2011 06:43 prplhz wrote:
i like the idea of narrowing down the candidates and then threatening them with having them dt checked.

mafia are surely going to try to get one of theirs elected if they can and while pardoner is stronger than mayor, mayor is still storng. if we narrow down the range of people who are candidates mafia can't just suddenly vote in a pardoner in the last second by switching a single vote or something like that.

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On October 13 2011 06:46 prplhz wrote:
i like this these are the most beneficial roles for town and if we can't have them then a red lynch would be nice in compensation having top5 pick leaves too much room for shenanigans also i don't hope that there will be a ton of people with a suppressed batman inside who will get into top3/5 and then pick another role because they "always wanted to be like qatol" or something like that

also i'm picking [1][1] so no one else pick that please, i'll invent you many good inventions promiss


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On October 14 2011 22:20 prplhz wrote:
you know while the mayor needs to be someone town, the pardoner is going to be held very accountable. we should lynch the pardoner the second he doesn't do exactly what we tell him to so i think pardoner needs to be expendable.


When it was said wayyy earlier

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On October 12 2011 19:42 Radfield wrote:
On October 12 2011 11:54 chaoser wrote:
Woot woot, let's get this started!

An important note to everyone, the Pardoner is basically a Prince of Darkness x2 and while there's a lot of KP in this game, there's also a lot of defensive roles in this game as well. A mafia team with medics+Pardoner with Hero as his ability would be horrible for town. As such, they'll probably fake an aim for mayor and actually want pardoner instead. I learned my lesson in XXXIX with GM -_-. We need to get rid of the pardoner outright as early as possible.


Pardoner is a threat, but if they ever use their power inappropriately they get lynched. Scary in the endgame, and needs to be eliminated before we get down to 6-8 players, but for now it is an excellent insurance policy against the Vote Rigger and Showtime!.


All of these have been said by many many other people.

Finally, prphlz was townie in LOTR which was last game. If you read over his posts you'll notice that he tunnels everyone he feels like mafia, being very active about expressing his opinions on who he thinks is mafia.

In this game?

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On October 15 2011 09:14 prplhz wrote:
can we do some scum hunting? this is all getting lost in electing people and that's very important, but usually we'd use 48 hours to talk about who is scum and who isn't. right now there's not enough of that from the candidates for election.


Never does any scum hunting.


Even though chaoser is still a highly suspicious player at this moment, his points here are actually something I agree on. I have been talking with a number of people about prplhz's behavior this game, but was holding off on any analysis until he spoke up a bit more or gave any sort of opinion.

So prplhz, what are your thoughts on the game thus far? a lot has come up since the last time you gave your opinion.
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Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
October 15 2011 19:52 GMT
#748
On October 16 2011 04:50 hiro protagonist wrote:
lol, Im always suspicious day 1 when Im town. I think I am the opposite of Mig in that regard, because I am great at being scum, but Im terrible at playing townie

Scum hiro would have never said the things that I have said so far this game. PM me if anyone wants to chat.



did you really just say "don't worry guys, im better at scum, and I'm playing terribly this game, therefor I'm town"

That is the weirdest logic stream i have ever heard.
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United States6736 Posts
October 15 2011 23:32 GMT
#792
Mig, would you prefer the mayor position or the pardoner one? If you guys arnt reading the voting thread it was announced that we are not allowed to vote for ourselves, so that means radfield, me, and meapak need to choose someone else.
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United States6736 Posts
October 16 2011 00:25 GMT
#797
Ok, after extensive conversation with most of the candidates, and by reviewing the vote list, I feel it is best to get Mig into the role of the pardoner. Me and him have talked and I agree with his thoughts on how the pardoner role should be used, and our private chats lead me to believe he is right for the job.
That being said i will vote radfield with the aim to get mig pardoner.
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