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Original Message From NotChezinu: sorry, you gave up my smurf. I'm done talking with you. I understand sharing logs, no issue with that, but there was no reason not to go back and blank out all the GMarshal's. I'm honestly peeved about that. yeah GM, great idea on your part to disappear for 8 hours and the entire night phase, then not want to talk in IRC because I didn't blank out the part where you claimed to me and Incog in IRC. Had you actually played properly I would never have seen any reason to disclose those logs to anyone. | ||
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On October 04 2011 09:11 Forumite wrote: Technically, the trolling of lying about reading it is not as bad as the trolling by not reading. I still think what you did was stupid and unhelpfull. why are you stuck on this singular point? Honestly if you didn't believe it was trolling I have to seriously question your intelligence. All that matters right now is whether or not NC is town. He's not doing anything town-worthy, so I'm willing to consider him scum for now. GM if you're actually town and are actually pissed about the smurf thing you should probably play pro-townie instead of pulling an Incog and being absolutely useless for this day. I have no idea why you would play like this as town, so I'm simply going to assume that you are scum until you have adequately displayed that you are not. If anyone is further interested in WHY NC's identity matters, you should check out his meta from these two games: Cosmic Horror, hosted by Hesmyrr, where he played Ferry (and nailed a case on Wiggles day 1, who was scum) Some Mafia Game hosted by Ace, where he played Bayonnet (and shot a scummyish townie iGrok as a scum dayvig and proceeded to do nothing pro-town, similar to how he's playing now) | ||
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On October 04 2011 09:13 NotChezinu wrote: fuck you. So, I have a family emergency AND an issue with my college funding , meaning I had other things to take care of. Sorry that I couldn't be here for you. I remind you though that you fully agreed with my case on curu. What happened to that? Oh right you had a change of heart, how... convenient. I'd request a vigi fucking shoot me now. yes because the case really held up when Mig posted logs of both Curu and Palmar PMing him right? If you're town how can you be this blind? How are you supposed to expect Curu to be scum after what Mig posted in the thread? Yeah, it's understandable if none of that evidence existed, but it's honestly more retarded to ignore it and continue pushing a case that is dead once the relevant evidence has appeared. That's just closed-mindedness. How is Curu scum in this case? Would he and Palmar have faked the logs in advance? I honestly don't see this. It's extremely weird you would show up RIGHT AFTER the night phase is over, too. And finally you don't need to emotionally appeal to get your point across. The game is fucked enough as it is. | ||
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God this game is extremely frustrating atm. | ||
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Also I tend to buy the argument that both Curu and Palmar are really lazy as scum. On top of the unlikelihood of scum bussing someone day 1 AND it being the pyro, AND them going out of their way to convince Mig, AND faking logs between each other, I just don't see Curu being scum anymore. Had I known about Palmar and Curu both messaging Mig, and had I known about the Curu/Palmar logs I would've never gone to the lengths that I did to think Curu could possibly be scum. | ||
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We don't actually gain information today (like yesterday) no matter what NC flips, IMO. If he's scum he's likely to get bussed, if he's town he'll just get bandwagonned. So, although I don't oppose the NC lynch I say we consider the use of what time we have to generate discussion about the players who remain in the game and determine who fits the bill of being scum. Let's start with this guy: On October 02 2011 00:52 risk.nuke wrote: I don't know what is going on in Pm-land That said, here is what I currently think, --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kill Incognito The fact that incogs last post was 15 minutes before prplhz got killed I'm 100% sure he's scum. Suspicious people wherebugsgo I have been suspicious at wbg for a long time. + Show Spoiler + On September 30 2011 20:47 risk.nuke wrote: If I was going to suspect anyone of beeing gf it would be wbg. Going through his posting, He's definitely trying to create chaos amongst town, and he's agressive enough to think that if he got checked he would come up townie. Altough he cleaverly never straight out defended Palmar the more I look through his posts the more I think he's scum. + Show Spoiler + On September 29 2011 10:02 wherebugsgo wrote: Also Jackal, since you think I'm scum why is your vote still on Palmar? You know, that shitty start of the game vote that you have yet to change, or, hell, even put in the voting thread? Fakevote much? Don't have any scumreads? Don't intend to contribute? + Show Spoiler + On September 30 2011 02:05 wherebugsgo wrote: Palmar looks scummy despite alignment so blah. He's made sense this game to me. Thus, I still prefer Jackal. If anyone knows something I don't please let me know. He tries to steal the heat from Palmar thinking that after he got a palmar voter to vote for him instead, he could play the suspicious saint and probably get the town on his side leading to the voters eventually voting for someone else. + Show Spoiler + On September 30 2011 04:34 wherebugsgo wrote: Sounds like you sheeped and didn't look into any of this yourself. You basically just admitted to voting Palmar solely because of other people's reasons. Did you question those reasons? Why are you so quick to believe them? If Palmar is scum you're scum too. He tries to create some other suspicious people based on shit and nothing just to create more chaos and distrust. He's case on Furumite started building when he realised Palmer was going down and he wanted to try and frame someone with it. The only thing wbg has on his plus side is he has been hammering Incognito which he has been doing since the start. If Incognito flips blue wbg is most likely scum. If he flips red This doesn't rule wbg out (see spoiler), might be a longshot but It wouldn't be the first time. *This is HYPOTHETICALLY and IF Incognitos flips red + Show Spoiler + Wbg started of attacking incognito to give the townies the feeling that those two can not possibly be together. Despite actually going on him like a berserker wbg doesn't give any solid arguments for why incognito was mafia. Possibly expecting veterans to ignore it because of the lack of arguments and still giving achieving the goal giving townies the feeeling of distrust between wbg and incognito. He was probably hoping incognitos last plan would save Incognito, when it backfired wbg realise they have to give incognito up tnkted Short time after my post against wbg, he posts this + Show Spoiler + On September 30 2011 23:28 tnkted wrote: WBG is town. I bring this information from PM land. Plz don't shoot him. On September 30 2011 23:34 tnkted wrote: PM me for questions, back to class I'm a bit puzzled to why I should let a suspicous person be, and since he asked me to. I pm tnktd and ask him why I should drop wbg. In his reply I got no answer from tnktd. I don't understand why he would not tell me why wbg is not mafia since he seems to know that for certainty. As said earlier the first priority of all townies should be to establish their innocence so why? (it's before the first night is over so roles should be irrelevant. Instead he attempts to swing the conversation into me giving him my scumreads. I don't answer while thinking about what to read out of it and what to reply. Shortly after I get another pm, this time from wbg asking the same thing. Me and wbg haven't had any prior private contact and I get scumchills all up my spine. Other notes I don't think Curu is scum but the only person I would consider safe is Mig The person to pm me before speaking in irc was dropbear. Every single person he mentions in this post is town. Note how he starts with the thing about prpl dying. First of all, NOTHING was clear about what it meant for prpl to die. Perhaps some mafia wanted to create WIFOM and make Incog look bad by killing prpl (clearly it worked). risk jumps on this and claims Incog 100% mafia solely based on this incident. He also earlier said "I don't buy his bluff" without ever explaining what he meant by that. It was clearly in context of Incog and prpl, but other than putting out there that he had his doubts risk never commented on the lynch of Incog. He then sets me up to be scum if Incog flips blue, without actually providing evidence as to why that is true. So, first, Incog was set up to be scum 100% by the way he posted and how prpl died, according to risk. So then WHY am I considered to be scum if Incog flips blue? What happened to that confidence, and where is this link coming from? I'm a bit puzzled to why I should let a suspicous person be, and since he asked me to. I pm tnktd and ask him why I should drop wbg. In his reply I got no answer from tnktd. I don't understand why he would not tell me why wbg is not mafia since he seems to know that for certainty. As said earlier the first priority of all townies should be to establish their innocence so why? (it's before the first night is over so roles should be irrelevant.Instead he attempts to swing the conversation into me giving him my scumreads. I don't answer while thinking about what to read out of it and what to reply. Shortly after I get another pm, this time from wbg asking the same thing. Me and wbg haven't had any prior private contact and I get scumchills all up my spine. Other notes I don't think Curu is scum but the only person I would consider safe is Mig The person to pm me before speaking in irc was dropbear. I don't understand the bolded part. Please let me know if I'm wrong and it's just risk.nuke who has ignored my PMs, but AFAIK he has not spoken to anyone in this game yet. If he has, then I must simply not know about it for whatever reason. If you have spoken to risk.nuke please PM me or some townie you trust and tell them. However, at the time I thought it was rather suspicious he didn't even bother to reply to me. Since he posted this (and I didn't actually notice he posted this before) it suggests he is not mute. If he were mute, he wouldn't post in the thread that he considered what to reply. The only other post of significance risk.nuke has made all game is this: On September 30 2011 20:47 risk.nuke wrote: If I was going to suspect anyone of beeing gf it would be wbg. Going through his posting, He's definitely trying to create chaos amongst town, and he's agressive enough to think that if he got checked he would come up townie. Altough he cleaverly never straight out defended Palmar the more I look through his posts the more I think he's scum. + Show Spoiler + On September 29 2011 10:02 wherebugsgo wrote: Also Jackal, since you think I'm scum why is your vote still on Palmar? You know, that shitty start of the game vote that you have yet to change, or, hell, even put in the voting thread? Fakevote much? Don't have any scumreads? Don't intend to contribute? + Show Spoiler + On September 30 2011 02:05 wherebugsgo wrote: Palmar looks scummy despite alignment so blah. He's made sense this game to me. Thus, I still prefer Jackal. If anyone knows something I don't please let me know. He tries to steal the heat from Palmar thinking that after he got a palmar voter to vote for him instead, he could play the suspicious saint and probably get the town on his side leading to the voters eventually voting for someone else. + Show Spoiler + On September 30 2011 04:34 wherebugsgo wrote: Sounds like you sheeped and didn't look into any of this yourself. You basically just admitted to voting Palmar solely because of other people's reasons. Did you question those reasons? Why are you so quick to believe them? If Palmar is scum you're scum too. He tries to create some other suspicious people based on shit and nothing just to create more chaos and distrust. He's case on Furumite started building when he realised Palmer was going down and he wanted to try and frame someone with it. Where he, for whatever reason, accuses me of being GF (I called him out on it and I never got a response) This post's logic is so convoluted I really don't know what to say. The last part I've bolded is interesting because it's a soft defend of Forumite. He accuses me of making a case on Forumite based on nothing (false) and that I wanted to frame someone for Palmar going down (wtf does that mean?) when I realized he wasn't saveable (lol) Fact is, I had very good reasons for believing Forumite was scum (he was wishy washy as hell on Palmar) and also, the "framing" part makes no sense whatsoever. I'm rather tired of the multiple players in this game, particularly risk.nuke, sinani, Forumite, and Sevryn getting away with not contributing anything worthwhile and not taking flak for it. We need to step it up and pressure these players, or we'll have some trouble on our hands when we're trying to figure out which one of the lurkers is most likely to be scum. | ||
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Nothing NC said then seems scummy, and nothing he's done since (other than randomly disappearing) is either. However I will say he's worth a check, and if he doesn't contribute his thoughts we should kill him. Since NC has no links to any players other than me, I think we should find the other 2 scum first (since I am definitely not scum) and we can kill NC in the case we don't find scum today. ##unvote NotChezinu ##vote risk.nuke | ||
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Let's get rid of risk.nuke. I don't buy NC being scum, and if he's not scum he'll (hopefully) establish his towniness in the next 43 hours. If he is indeed scum we'll have plenty of time to switch our votes back to him before the end of the day. We only need what, 7 votes? That's not a lot | ||
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Whichever of these lurkers is the scummiest, IMO, should get the axe today. risk.nuke did a nice soft defend of Forumite so I'd expect him to flip scum, and I wouldn't be surprised if Forumite is scum too. Curu have you PMed risk.nuke at all? Has anyone? | ||
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What's up with the really bad activity levels? | ||
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On October 04 2011 20:34 Kurumi wrote: You know what that means? Curu the BLU Drunk Demoman has been modkilled! Are you fucking kidding me? What the fuck kind of modkill is this? | ||
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Anyway, to clarify again, literally no one has had communication with this guy? He's not done anything in the thread either...we need people in IRC and stuff. This is a very important day and we've gone almost 24 hours with almost no activity from anyone. We've got a modkill and a replacement on our hands and we need to do something today or we're going to get screwed by the lurkers. It's extraordinarily frustrating. If we still have mutes you guys need to start stepping it up in the thread. Treat it like a normal game and stop lurking so damn hard. The other thing we need to contend with are time zone issues. Right now there's a handful of Americans, a handful of Europeans, and then Dropbear. Let's begin coordinating times so I don't have to wait for PMs to show up and/or watch TL like a hawk to see when I can speak to someone. People I would like to hear from, either in PMs or in the thread: Forumite, sinani, risk.nuke, Dropbear, xt, sevryn. Oh look that's 6 people out of the remaining 12. -_- | ||
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Please PM me. | ||
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also a reminder to any townies in the game, if I haven't talked to you yet we have a problem. This goes for Dropbear, mostly, but also sinani, who has seemed to disappear. | ||
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You need to make up for all the time you have contributed jack shit. | ||
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wherebugsgo sinani risk.nuke xtfftc sevryn In addition to these thoughts please provide your 3 most likely scum and whoever your town reads happen to be. | ||
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I have a case coming up in an hour or so. We have less than 16 hours left to lynch and we have almost nothing. No one seems to want to do anything. How are we going to find scum if there aren't people pressuring and trying to find/consolidate information? This is pathetic. I will not be around for the majority of tomorrow morning. I'm going to sleep after I post this upcoming case, and then I will expect you all to vote accordingly. I will be here for the penultimate 3 hours (but not the last hour) before lynch. I have class from 8-12 PST tomorrow morning and 14-15 PST basically. | ||
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The day has come. Today, we lynch scum. And no, I do not think it is risk.nuke. Look at how easy this lynch is. No one is defending the poor guy. He's a new player. He's willing to PM. He's scummy as hell, but I don't think he's actually mafia. In my talk with him earlier today he said some weird things but in looking at how other things have played out in this game I don't think he's actually scum. So, then, who is scum? 95%+ scum: sinani206 sevryn Sinani made a fatal mistake today. It was this post: On October 05 2011 10:34 sinani206 wrote: dropbear is scummy ##Vote: DropBear He has literally done nothing all game. He has had no reads, no intentions of providing reads, no use whatsoever. There's the small chance he isn't scum, but that chance is so small and the possibility is so unlikely that I frankly don't give a shit. This single post by sinani linked him to sevryn. So far all game, sinani has not done anything but just slip by undetected. Day 1 he voted Curu, and I don't believe anyone noticed (I didn't notice until I started looking at the top 6 scum targets of today) at all. Now he's voting DB? His vote was #3 on Incog at the time on day 2, perfect time for a mafia to step in and vote a townie. By comparison, other people I find extremely scummy (Forumite, sevryn) also bandwagoned; Forumite joined both the Palmar and Incog lynches really late and sevryn blindly hopped on the Curu wagon AFTER the case was destroyed by Mig. On day 1 sevryn voted NC instead of Palmar. By vote analysis alone all three of these guys fit as a scumteam. There exist two other anomalies in the voting pattern, namely NC (replaced by xtfftc) and risk.nuke, but both of these can potentially be explained in other ways. Besides, we have time to consider them after we lynch sinani. So, let's ignore them for now. (this is, after all, sinani's turn to get attention) Sevryn link to Sinani Incoming is a spoilered IRC log of a conversation I had with Sevryn earlier this afternoon. I had a conversation with him last night as well but unfortunately my browser crashed before I had the foresight to save that one. Not like that really matters though, since I got all I wanted out of Sevryn in this log. + Show Spoiler [sevrynlog] + [16:01] <wherebugsgo> yo [16:01] <wherebugsgo> let's talk a little [16:01] <sevryn> hey [16:01] <sevryn> i concur [16:01] <wherebugsgo> alright [16:01] <wherebugsgo> who would you like to lynch today? [16:02] <sevryn> tbh i havnt been following the thread that closely [16:02] <sevryn> give me a few? [16:02] <sevryn> ive been doing a minecraft thing like all day [16:03] <sevryn> tho [16:03] <sevryn> i dont like dropbear [16:03] <sevryn> hes tunneling me and then going super lurke [16:03] <wherebugsgo> okay [16:03] <sevryn> which is kinda hypocritical of me to call someone a lurker [16:03] <wherebugsgo> will you read the last few pages and stuff you've missed [16:03] <sevryn> because ive been afk alot [16:03] <sevryn> yea i am now [16:03] <wherebugsgo> and then come back to me [16:03] <wherebugsgo> in lik [16:03] <wherebugsgo> 20 minutes? [16:03] <wherebugsgo> is that enough? [16:03] <sevryn> should be [16:04] <sevryn> oh holy shit [16:04] <sevryn> curu was VT ugh that makes xtffc look bad [16:05] <wherebugsgo> mmhmm [16:21] <sevryn> xtff dropbear risknuke [16:21] <sevryn> are my biggest scum reads [16:21] <wherebugsgo> okay, why [16:21] <wherebugsgo> for each [16:22] <sevryn> Risknuke because he hasn't done like anything and everynow and then he will pop up [16:22] <sevryn> have you talked to him at all? [16:22] <wherebugsgo> yeah I have [16:22] <wherebugsgo> I talked to him a few hours ago [16:22] <sevryn> did he contribute anything? [16:23] <wherebugsgo> not much no [16:23] <wherebugsgo> it's his first game though [16:23] <sevryn> you cant read to much into that imo [16:23] <wherebugsgo> as in? [16:24] <sevryn> as in one might use the excuse of inexperiance to explain scummy behaivor [16:24] <sevryn> anyway [16:24] <sevryn> dropbear [16:24] <sevryn> is super duper tunneling but he never really made a case [16:25] <sevryn> like he wants to look like hes scum hunting but he just accuses me of beings scum and goes away [16:25] <sevryn> idk if you were on irc the other night when i talked to him [16:25] <sevryn> someone might have the log [16:25] <sevryn> well overseer should [16:25] <wherebugsgo> okay [16:25] <sevryn> and then xtffc as GM replacement [16:26] <wherebugsgo> okay [16:26] <sevryn> what are you reads? [16:26] <wherebugsgo> what do you think of Forumite and sinani? [16:26] <sevryn> sinani is in this game? [16:26] <wherebugsgo> yes [16:26] <sevryn> lol [16:27] <sevryn> how many posts has he made? [16:27] <wherebugsgo> I dunno, not more than 10 I don't think [16:27] <sevryn> do you know if hes been active in pm land? [16:27] <sevryn> i havnt talked to him [16:27] <wherebugsgo> okay I just counted he's posted 17 posts [16:27] <wherebugsgo> and he's claimed mute [16:27] <wherebugsgo> so no [16:28] <sevryn> but since we have so few people we might want to start lynching lurkers somewhat also have you thought about my scum are the ones that arnt mute theory? [16:28] <wherebugsgo> I've considered it [16:28] <wherebugsgo> but who does that leave? [16:29] <wherebugsgo> why does muteness correlate with alignment? [16:29] <sevryn> because mafia are the only ones that can mute people [16:29] <sevryn> o wait [16:29] <sevryn> nvm [16:29] <sevryn> just remmeber its temporary [16:29] <sevryn> so thats irrelavant [16:29] <sevryn> like i said [16:30] <sevryn> havnt looked at the game in a while [16:30] <wherebugsgo> uhhh [16:30] <wherebugsgo> lol [16:31] <sevryn> you remember when we talked about that? [16:31] <sevryn> anyway what are you reads [16:31] <sevryn> you didnt answer me [16:31] <wherebugsgo> yeah I recall but honestly I don't think it has anything to do with anything [16:31] <wherebugsgo> you didn't say anything about Forumite [16:32] <wherebugsgo> Forumite first [16:32] <wherebugsgo> then we'll get to my reads [16:32] <sevryn> null read on him i havnt filter him or anything [16:32] <sevryn> but nothing really stands out [16:32] <wherebugsgo> really? [16:32] <wherebugsgo> okay [16:33] <wherebugsgo> I think risk is scum [16:33] <wherebugsgo> out of the other five [16:33] <wherebugsgo> who I've listed [16:33] <sevryn> reasons on risk? [16:33] <wherebugsgo> what I've talked to him in PMs [16:33] <wherebugsgo> and what he's said in thread [16:33] <wherebugsgo> in the thread he keeps randomly FoSing people [16:33] <wherebugsgo> who flip town [16:33] <wherebugsgo> only one who hasn't died yet is me [16:33] <wherebugsgo> lol [16:34] <sevryn> what do you think of jcarl? [16:34] <wherebugsgo> kinda null on jcarl, why? [16:34] <wherebugsgo> you think he's scum? [16:35] <sevryn> i dont have a read on him but kenpachi does wondering if you know why [16:35] <wherebugsgo> no, I don't actually [16:49] <sevryn> well im off for the night peace Let's summarize this IRC log with Sevryn, and completely ignore the derp slips that, for any other player, would be serious offenses (such as not reading the thread) 1. Sevryn starts out with saying he doesn't like Dropbear. Dropbear to me at the time was a null read, but with a good sequence of events coupled with the information I have from Mig and Curu I have extremely good reasons to believe DropBear is town. Sinani's derp vote with no reasoning on DB strongly suggests to me that they've been trying to push him as scum and have been taking advantage of his inactivity in order to try for a mislynch. Well, DB is NOT scum and he is one of my strongest town reads in the game currently. I just got done speaking with him on IRC and what he told me matches perfectly with the information I have from Curu and Mig. If you desire to know this information please PM me or let me know in the thread so I can tell you why DB is town. 2. Sevryn lists risk.nuke among the players he finds scummy for reasons that could easily be applied to himself and sinani as well. In fact, sinani is a worse offender IMO than risk.nuke, seeing as sinani is not a new player and sinani also has shown no desire to actually contribute. On the other hand, risk.nuke talked to me a while on skype. Sinani? Ignored literally everything in the thread. Sevryn then keeps pushing risk.nuke when I say he's a new player, saying "well you can't look into that too much." 3. This quote: [16:26] <sevryn> what are you reads? [16:26] <wherebugsgo> what do you think of Forumite and sinani? [16:26] <sevryn> sinani is in this game? [16:26] <wherebugsgo> yes [16:26] <sevryn> lol [16:27] <sevryn> how many posts has he made? [16:27] <wherebugsgo> I dunno, not more than 10 I don't think [16:27] <sevryn> do you know if hes been active in pm land? [16:27] <sevryn> i havnt talked to him [16:27] <wherebugsgo> okay I just counted he's posted 17 posts [16:27] <wherebugsgo> and he's claimed mute [16:27] <wherebugsgo> so no [16:28] <sevryn> but since we have so few people we might want to start lynching lurkers somewhat also have you thought about my scum are the ones that arnt mute theory? [16:28] <wherebugsgo> I've considered it [16:28] <wherebugsgo> but who does that leave? [16:29] <wherebugsgo> why does muteness correlate with alignment? [16:29] <sevryn> because mafia are the only ones that can mute people [16:29] <sevryn> o wait [16:29] <sevryn> nvm [16:29] <sevryn> just remmeber its temporary [16:29] <sevryn> so thats irrelavant [16:29] <sevryn> like i said [16:30] <sevryn> havnt looked at the game in a while As soon as I mention sinani, sevryn goes, "he's in this game?" If sevryn truly cared about lynching lurkers or non contributing townies then I'm sure he would've realized that sinani has been the biggest culprit of this all game long. He then asks me if he's been active in PMs, something that I sworn I could've talked to him about the other day in IRC, but nonetheless a retarded question since it can be answered in the thread. However, that's not the worst part. When I confirm that sinani is mute, sevryn immediately defends all mute players from suspicion (and thus soft defends both sinani and forumite) by saying that mutes cannot be mafia. When I ask how muteness correlates with alignment I get no answer. 4. Finally, I ask him about Forumite as I figure I'm not getting anything new from this guy. What does Sevryn say on Forumite? [16:32] <wherebugsgo> Forumite first [16:32] <wherebugsgo> then we'll get to my reads [16:32] <sevryn> null read on him i havnt filter him or anything [16:32] <sevryn> but nothing really stands out [16:32] <wherebugsgo> really? Yeah, I don't think you get away with soft-defending two of the scummiest people in the game that easily. Now, you all might ask me why it is that I advocate sinani's lynch over sevryn's, when most of the damning evidence actually comes from sevryn and not anything that sinani has done. Well, it's primarily because of two reasons: Why Sinani and not Sevryn? 1. Of all the town reads I have in this game, every single one considers sinani to be scum or very scummy. Most others hold a little more doubt about Sevryn. (and this may be due to DB's inactivity throwing them off, or other reasons as well) 2. I myself hold a tiny bit of doubt about Sevryn because of his scummy town play. Many of the things he said in IRC (such as not reading the thread or Forumite's filters) can be explained by careless town play. However, IMO this doubt will always exist with such a player, so we should not rule out sevryn as scum in the one in a billion chance sinani flips town. Personally I wish we had a double lynch, but we don't, so the best we can do is lynch sinani, IMO. This leaves the question somewhat unanswered of, who is that third scum? IMO it's Forumite, as I explained earlier. Sevryn's behavior regarding the two players would certainly implicate them. On its own, Forumite's play is also incredibly scummy. He's voted supersoft today (wtf?) instead of voting me, his #1 scumread, or any of the other possible lurkers in town. He could've voted sinani (the obvious choice if you're trying to vote a lurker, IMO) or DB, or sevryn, or risk.nuke, or xt. Instead, he voted supersoft, something I really don't understand. So far all of Forumite's reads have been town (he leaned Curu day 1 over Palmar until he got so much attention he flipped) and indeed after Palmar got lynched he tried making me look scummy by saying I defended Palmar when Forumite was doing much more soft defending than me. I had at least made my opinion clear that I found the Palmar lynch weird. Forumite simply kept soft defending Palmar by suspecting Curu more, and just continually dodging Curu's attacks. The hypocrisy in him suspecting me for defending Palmar has not been forgotten. In the wildly unusual (IMO) case that any of these three scum is not, in fact, scum, I would suggest we look at risk.nuke and xt again. I've given xtfftc leeway today, but I expect him to come in before lynch today and establish himself as a townie and give us scum reads. If he can't do that then he should be lynched after sinani and sevryn have been dealt with. I will be back periodically to log dump and whatnot, though I don't think that'll be necessary as I have already dispersed my logs among the townies. I don't believe there is a scum vig so I'm not afraid of dying before the night phase. If there is, though, I assume that you guys will publicize my logs in my stead. You know who you are. without further ado, ##unvote risk.nuke ##vote sinani206 | ||
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