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We´ll know soon enough. Without a BLU Sniper, chances are that neither is there a RED Sniper, but who knows?
Food for thought, remember how risk acted after WBG was lynched? His first post after the flip felt like him faking being shocked, the next one felt at the time as if he was trying to end the game then and there, if he was the Sniper at least. However if he isn´t the Sniper, the why would he ask something like that? We´ll know if there is a Sniper in the pair. If there isn´t, then risk´s acting after the lynch look like a Town worrying about having allready lost. Those posts make him scum only if (1) he is the Sniper and waits to shoot when he can win the game with a shot or (2) he is vanilla scum who faked looking like the Sniper in order to absolve himself of suspicion by fakeaiming today. As he aimed (thereby throwing away the last advantage he had if he was a Sniper), that makes risk either Town or really, really sneaky.
If it goes through, then Nisani is most likely a Sniper trying to hide his shot behind a fakeaim, if it doesn´t go though then risk is probably Town, leaving Nisani as the last scum.
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risk is scum because I got shot tonight. two players were claiming Heavies. If Nisani was scum, then he would know I was most likely a Heavy, and would have avoided shooting me. Risk on the other hand thought one of us was fakeclaiming Heavy to hide a Blue role, therefore he shot me, in the hope that I wasn´t a Heavy at all.
Damnit... Two reasonings, either risk is scum, or he isn´t, and both makes sense.
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It´s a matter of if we think risk is a good player. If he is, then he's a RED Scout, and he was tricking us with the Sniper comment during the night, then firing at me in the hope of taking out a powerrole, then fakeaiming to absolve himself from suspicion due to the Sniper comment.
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If the shot goes through, then I´m 95% sure on Nisani, if it doesn´t go through, then risk is likely scum, but only by about 75%.
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OK, it's been an hour. Kurumi or Kita, if you're here, can you say if nothing happens or not (as opposed to the result being delayed due to inactivity).
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risk, to answer your PM, no, of course I can´t prove I took a hit.
The shot hasn´t come through, from that and the nightaction, Nisani looks better, and risk looks much worse.
##Vote risk.nuke
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Okey, so here is my problem. Kenpachi did not die. He was the confirmed townie. Which leads to the following question. Who would benefit from nobody dying.
One of myself, Forumite and Nisani is the mafia, it all comes down to who benefited? It makes absolutely no sense for scum not to kill Kenpachi. No matter which one of us it was. I was under most heat so killing me would increase their chanses of getting lynched. The one of Forumite and Nisani who is innocent is first of all heavy and can't be killed. And then there is Kenpachi who is spy.
The scenario today is 4 People. 3 Suspects. We lynch a townie scum can kill me or Kenpachi tomorrow and win.
The other scenario we would have had was 3 People. 3 Suspects. Same deal, lynch a townie and mafia win.
There is no notably difference. So why not just kill Kenpachi. This is where I got really puzzled and started thinking. What would make sense. A theory I got was this.
Forumite is the scum. He shoots noone and claims he got shot tonight. Since he have claimed heavy it's the perfect excuse to clear him of all suspicions. Town lynch me or Nisanan. He wins.
I wanted to ask him since I'm new and not sure if you can prove that you got shot Can you prove you were shot at tonight? Which would clear him and I would know Nisani is the scum. I find his response very agressive. Instead of replying in a pm he immidiatly counters by accusing me first in the thread so I can't accuse him without looking like I'm accusing him in response to him accusing me.
Was a shot fired tonight or not. Forumite if what you say is true and you were shot tonight. Then Nisani is the scum 100%.
Nisani if you are town. It means that Forumite is lying. No shot went of tonight and this is Forumites scheme.
For points sake I will also say what I think of Nisani. His lurking his arse of now and I can't tell if that is a scumtrait or not. Today is the final day. But Nisani has been keeping quiet mostly for both yesterday (where he knew he was going to die after wbg and didn't do much to argue) and today. He provided the logs so it's not because he doesn't care about the game. After Forumites actions today It's close but I think Nisani is town and I'm leaning on my Forumite scheme theory.
Kenpachi please get more active!
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I didn´t answer in a PM because I´m mute, and my answer was aggressive because I knew this was what you were trying to do.
On October 14 2011 20:16 risk.nuke wrote:
Was a shot fired tonight or not. Forumite if what you say is true and you were shot tonight. Then Nisani is the scum 100%.
Nisani if you are town. It means that Forumite is lying. No shot went of tonight and this is Forumites scheme.
Explain to me, why can´t you be scum despite me getting shot tonight? You were the only one who didn´t know where Veterans hide, you were the only one who could have shot a veteran, thinking he was lying. Two veterans, either both are telling the truth, or Nisani is scum. If Nisani is lying, then he must be fairly sure that I´m a real Veteran, and shooting me doesn´t do anything. I was shot, so I can´t see why Nisani must be the one. From my perspective, a veteran who just got shot, the only one who could have done it is risk.
I´m not buying it risk, you shot me, thinking I was lying about being a veteran, then you try to make a bad case about how the next lynch must be between me and Nisani to cover up your mistake.
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First of all before this I leaned on you beeing town and Nisani beeing the scum.
I am not scum. The mainreason I think it's you over Nisani is because you were fast to accused to me and I know I am town. Follow this I went from beeing most likely town to red sniper to red. When all you had on me was what you thought was a red sniper slip up which turned out to be false, That was evidence that I was red sniper or not red at all. You can't just go from red sniper to red when you don't have anything. You keep overlooking the best evidence of a townplayer we have.
risk is in my eyes confirmed because jcarl accused him
okay i believe you this since i know you are 100% town based on the jcarllogs where he accused you.
i know forumite is vet for like 90%
as for nisani and kenpachi i really don't know. one of them is the vig and one of them might be scum along with wbg (claimed vt) and db.
if i know who the vig is, we have the majority tomorrow for sure. he could also shoot one of the other three guys
thats my plan so far.
Why are you mute?
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I´m Mute because I am, it came with the role. Just like there are Drunk Demomen and Mute Drunk Demomen, there are Mute and normal Heavies.
If we are going by who accused who, then WBG would have been scum, because Dropbear defended him. Jcarl accused risk of being scum, Dropbear tried to get Nisani shot by the Town vigilante, scum tried to get both of you killed. Anyway we can´t believe what they have said, they are lying scum, they lie to get Town lynched, and lie to make it hard to find the other scum. Just because jcarl said you were scummy doesn´t make you Town, especially not since you were never close to getting lynched while jcarl was alive.
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Okey, I gotta leave now for a while. I'll be back. Also I might aswell give you a headsup. I won't be at home tomorrow for a few hour(8-6) before lynch. I don't know about you. When I get back I will look through all the evidence. I suggest you do the same and importantly read the logs before you dismiss them.
Nisani it's very scummy to sit back, say nothing and have no opinion when two people are arguing heavely.
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One thing to consider, DP and Jcarl barely mention risk or Nisani in their posts. WBG talked a lot to both scum, and Nisani had a few logs with both, risk had none. This throw some suspicion on risk, scum don´t need to talk to eachother since they have their own chat. Anytime scum talk to scum openly or in produced logs, it´s only to avoid looking like they avoid someone too much, but the normal scenario is still that scum don´t produce PM conversations with eachother, because they don´t need to PM eachother in the normal course of the game.
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OK ladies and gentlemen, you have come to lylo. We can't afford another mislynch. And while it's curious that no one died last night, it's not of great importance. We're at the same stakes.
And that, is why we have to lynch risk.nuke, the final scum.
It is typical scum behaviour to support easy lynches of townies. This is particularly easy on D1 because scum generally doesn't get lynched then. Later, they will support bad lynches without posting many comments. And when Townies are arguing with each other, they lay back and watch.
risk.nuke is a prime example of these traits.
DAY 1: Palmar is lynched. risk.nuke does not provide opinions. He simply drops in a vote and leaves it at that. It is also the last vote for Palmar. Really, it's typical scum behavior. If he were Town aligned, he would have put something there.
NIGHT 1: So we have a bunch of sniper claims and shit going around. risk.nuke watches as the townies go fight each other. Then he makes a half-ass case against wherebugsgo, which he dismisses during D2.
DAY 2: We have more townies arguing among each other. He half-ass pushes WBG and goes full fledged on the easier lynch: Incognito. He meets some opposition from WBG but does't respond to it because meh it doesn't really matter. Incognito is the "bad lynch" that he is supporting. He dies and flips Townie.
NIGHT 2: Nothing really happens.
DAY 3: A case against risk.nuke forms. He doesn't respond to it, or write analysis. He simply votes Forumite. Once again, supporting a bad lynch, and letting the town argue amonst itself. xtfftc dies.
NIGHT 3: Once again nothing happens
DAY 4+: risk.nuke really starts tunelling WBG. Sev gets lynched, the next day WBG gets lynched, they both flip town.
And here we are. I suggest we lynch risk.nuke, our textbook scum. I am 100% confident that he is scum.
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very well..
##unvote
##vote risk.nuke
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Nisani has felt throughout the game as a lurker and possible scum, just like risk, but the last day risk has been piling on the scumtells. Both the attempted nightkill, which would have been a risky move if risk did it and an obviously bad move if Nisani did it, and risk trying to defend by making the lynch between me and Nisani instead of him and Nisani, make me feel good about this lynch.
I´m not 100% sure on this, but at least I´m confident that we´re lynching the scummiest player. If we´re wrong, that Nisani is the one, then it´s because scum play good, not because Town play bad.
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I wish I had more time, too respond to Nisanis list and some of forumites stuff aswell. Sadly and this is very untimely I just got back and after I cook up dinner I have to leave in a haste again. Forumite you are seeing red, you just ignore evidence. You have decided that I am scum. Anyway the last day got me less suspicious of Forumite and more against Nisani. Coming out of his endless lurking spree and tries to nail my coffin, ha speaking of supporting easy lynches. Well if that works then "gg wp" Victory for the lurkers. I do hope you change your mind.
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