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On September 29 2011 06:12 Palmar wrote:
I agree with Mig btw.
But I don't think WBG is scum either, just have a quick look at the way he's posting. I don't think he's actually played scum, but this looks much more like his overconfident in your face town play. Both being wrong and being aggressive fit his meta perfectly.
that being said:
##Vote Jackal58
Why Jackal? Something he´s posted/PMed or cause of lurking?
On an unrelated issue, I don´t know if my FoS on sinani206 is stronger or weaker after him just disappearing.
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On September 29 2011 10:06 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2011 10:02 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also Jackal, since you think I'm scum why is your vote still on Palmar?
You know, that shitty start of the game vote that you have yet to change, or, hell, even put in the voting thread? Fakevote much?
Don't have any scumreads? Don't intend to contribute?
If you check the voting thread you'll see I haven't voted for anybody yet. My vote on Palmar in this thread was the same as everybody else. Spam. I've got 1 scum in my sights. Let's lynch you and the move on to number 2.
Jackal, I´m buying that WBG is good at disguising as Town (RAINBOW DASH!), and I´ll lynch him the moment he changes his play, but right now he´s talking sense. If he looks Town, helps Town and calls out scummy behavior, then he´s probably Town.
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On September 29 2011 15:55 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2011 12:01 wherebugsgo wrote:There's nothing really left to say on Jackal (I am gonna be ignoring him for real now since he isn't doing anything productive but you all can ask me questions if you so desire) Moving on to some people I think deserve attention, probably since they don't want it: Curuhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=266305&user=62066Curu has disappeared since earlier and his vote is useless. He hasn't contributed anything yet to the discussion yet, despite being around for LoTR and there being plenty to talk about. This doesn't sit well with me knowing how he played scum in both XLIV and MLP, and as town in Ace's SMG. In SMG he was pretty open about thinking I was scum and he was very bold and productive as town. In both XLIV and MLP he was semi active with a lot of one liners and fluff posts, not really contributing but feigning so. I'll give him some time to come back and clarify things (perhaps he's busy? who knows) but I think it's odd he's gone here but he's around to post the day post in LoTR. Sevryn:On September 29 2011 11:16 Sevryn wrote:
okay so NotChezinu pretty much troll all day er'day and to be honest if he doesnt know what his role is thats not the kind of person I would like to have around the town so i say we get rid of this problem now and lynch him. Sure posting in lyrics and poems is cool as a joke and sure it can be fun, but its not very pro town and makes it hard to get a read on someone. infact joking and trolling is a great way to be active without contributing at all. sooooooooooooo
##vote NotChezinu The problem with Sevryn is that IMO he appears scummy despite alignment. However, this post is completely in line with how he posted in MLP as scum before he went inactive and was replaced. We need to keep an eye on him as well. I dunno where Incog is but I imagine as a vet he needs to get in and stop lurking. risk.nuke and supersoft haven't done anything either, granted supersoft rarely does anything and I have no idea who risk.nuke is. None of these players warrant a vote yet but IMO all of them need to be prodded into providing their opinions and becoming active. If this town dies because of inactivity I'll be pissed. Oh, wait. Curu's in this game? He'll ruin it. ##Vote: Curu
Sinani, quickly, what´s the most important reason that we should lynch Curu?
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Putting it out there, I´d rather see the lynch being between Palmar and Curu than us lynching one either Jackal or WBG.
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On September 29 2011 20:40 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2011 20:17 Forumite wrote:
Putting it out there, I´d rather see the lynch being between Palmar and Curu than us lynching one either Jackal or WBG. so you don't care much who gets lynched, you just want to voice your support of a scenario with two bandwagons that you and your scum buddies can hop on to at leisure?
Not at all, I very much care about who is going to be lynched, I don´t want Jackal or WBG to be the one. Who between Curu and Palmar is scummiest is yet to be decided, waiting to see how the talk between them goes.
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On September 29 2011 21:49 prplhz wrote:
i mean scum would love to see the lynch be decided by who is the scummier of two townies, and not who is actually scum. you're just sitting there saying "oh yea bitches, duke it out and we'll lynch one of you!" and i kinda find that very scummy. very scum.
Good point. I think, that if we must focus on a pair of players and lynch the scummiest, then it´s better to lynch either of Palmar or Curu than Jackal and WBG, but if there is a fifth candidate that appears, then sure, please make that case, just as long as we do two things, stay away from Jackal and WBG for now, and FOCUS the lynch on few and likely candidates, I don´t want to see 20 players voting on 20 candidates, because that´s a game with 19 scum in it.
On the Curu and Palmar, I am leaning toward Curu being the scum. I don´t have a good tell on Palmar (I haven´t analysed Mig´s case yet), while I have a very unhelpfull read on Curu. He´s not playing quite as aggressive as in the last 2 games where I played with him, where he was scum both times, but he´s admitted that he´s aware of how his metagame looked in those games, and how he´s changed it this game. If a metagame analysis doesn´t much help, then the seemingly baseless case on Palmar and his empty posts is what I have to go on. He´s not revealing any proof on why Palmar is scum but still want to lynch him, so either he´s scum or the case was based on only PM-info. I´m leaning towards Scum.
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Okay, Mig has a few good points on Palmar too. And a fun one, he´s admitting he doesn´t read the thread as scum, that´s good to know.
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Wow, that was some reaction from Curu, based on a misreading nonetheless.
What I´m saying, Curu, is that I can´t trust your metagame because you clearly state that you are aware of how you play and what it looks like, therefore I look at how you play now, and it doesn´t strike me as very helpfull to random vote Palmar, then only give the reason much later.
Checking your posts, I do find one good post, with the reasons form pushing Palmar. Is there anything else you want to add to your analysis, or is that post your case on him? Is there anything from PM-land you want to add?
The relevant part is bolded. + Show Spoiler +On September 29 2011 19:37 Curu wrote:
Alright so here's what I think:
Palmar is using meta arguments that are incorrect and weak to paint out Jackal as scum because of one post Jackal made. He's also being purposefully obtuse and calling me scummy because I am not playing like I was in AA (which was my first ever game, duh) which was something people seem to bring up every single game (Palmar's been a part of all of them and everyone's been wrong in every one of them). I don't think he actually believes what he is saying. I think Palmar is one of the best on TL in being able to differentiate stupidly posting Townies from scum but I'm not seeing any of it here.
risk.nuke and Sevyrn have even shittier posts than me.
Kenpachi is possibly a scum day Vig, I see no other reason for him to paint his name blue this time instead of green like all his other games.
WBG's attack on tnkted was pretty derp.
PS. sinani saying I ruin games is pretty fucking funny. This guy has goldfish memory or some shit.
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Both you and Palmar are doing it, making a mockery of your own scumplay, as if that makes it easier to believe you are Town. It doesn´t, it´s a nulltell, because being aware of your metagame allow you to change it.
On September 29 2011 12:12 Curu wrote:
I always mislynch Town day 1. So I'm not leading any lynches today.
If you take a look again at all my scum games I am very rawr rawr day 1 because I know I can get a Townie lynched and get away with it. tbh I haven't even read most of the thread yet, busy busy. On September 29 2011 23:49 Palmar wrote:
it's why my scum play is always glaringly obvious.
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You both look scummy, I´m just focusing on you for now. My first impression was Curu acting odd, and I´ve more or less ignored Palmar until quite recently.
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On September 30 2011 01:34 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Forumite, I don't understand your argument against Curu. Mig outlined a very good argument against Palmar, and yet you think Curu is more scummy?
Does this mean you agree with Curu and Mig that Palmar is scum?
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On September 30 2011 03:35 Curu wrote:
lol DropBear. Palmar's early game is shitty? He correctly identified me, Mig, and BB as scum day 1 in XLIV, made the entire Mafia team forfeit day 2 in Swedish House, and led the lynch on the Godfather day 1 of Haunted House.
I'm going to ignore Forumite until he stops posting blatantly nonsensical bullshit. My play seems odd this game...well derp derp the two games you played with me I was scum. If my play seems different that should tell you I'm Town. Oh wait but WIFOM I did that on purpose ahahahahahaha no.
Do I really have to explain about metagame again? Basically I´m looking at this game only, ignoring your metagame for once, and then your play feels like you are reluctant to give info and like you are mostly in PM-land. If it was just you, then my gut feeling says that I should keep my eyes on you.
However, Curu might give me bad wibes, but he hasn´t posted lies as part of his analysisas far as I´ve seen, while Palmar is picking and choosing to create an analysis in order to take out a good player. I want to lynch Palmar today, especially if he doesn´t get back and explain himself.
##Unvote Sinani206
##Vote Palmar
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I don´t care what they did or did not say about what their PMs said, I couldn´t care less, my reason to vote on Palmar was because of so many saying his analysis was based on false information and cherry-picking metagame.
While him claiming BLU Pyro makes this a bit more confusing, if we can accept that whichever scumslip he posted was a mistake. Is it clear which scumslip he blames the case on him on?
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Okay, to me it looked like WBG was defending Palmar from that lynch. He was accusing people of bandwagoning, which is valid, but why did he go on an on about how he knew who scum was depending on the flip? It looked like a desperate attempt to direct the Day 2 lynch, to cut short the discussion and making Town vote 72 hours of analysing.
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*loose, not vote 72 hours of analysing
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On September 30 2011 07:15 sinani206 wrote:
also incog im not a sniper, im a drunk demo
I´m not sure about this one, but I think millers don´t know they are millers in most Mafia games. If the miller know´s he´s a miller, then claiming is basically saying "Don´t DT-check me, it´s no use."
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On September 30 2011 07:24 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 07:23 Forumite wrote:On September 30 2011 07:15 sinani206 wrote:
also incog im not a sniper, im a drunk demo I´m not sure about this one, but I think millers don´t know they are millers in most Mafia games. If the miller know´s he´s a miller, then claiming is basically saying "Don´t DT-check me, it´s no use." okay clearly you aren't town. Drunk demo is the vanilla townie. Lynch this guy.
My mistake, and that makes much more sense.
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On September 30 2011 08:05 Curu wrote:
See posts like that are why we have to get rid of certain players. It's mind boggling that there is the possibility you might even post something like that as Town.
Not quite following here. He´s obviously referring to his vote on Shroedingers Scum, NotChezinu, who saye he hasn´t checked his role-PM, and is therefore impossible to get an accurate read on, since he´s not working toward his win-condition.
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On September 30 2011 08:11 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 08:09 Forumite wrote:On September 30 2011 08:05 Curu wrote:
See posts like that are why we have to get rid of certain players. It's mind boggling that there is the possibility you might even post something like that as Town. Not quite following here. He´s obviously referring to his vote on Shroedingers Scum, NotChezinu, who saye he hasn´t checked his role-PM, and is therefore impossible to get an accurate read on, since he´s not working toward his win-condition. yeah but his logic for saying that is almost nonexistent. Just like how you're scum and are trying to get NC lynched. It almost seems as if you believe Sevryn.
If you want me lynched, for whatever reason, then at least make a real case.
I don´t think NC should be our primary lynch target, but I understand what Sevryn if going on about, NC trolling is a problem for Town. And what he was talking about is not why NC should get lynched, he´s just nudging Curu.
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