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On October 04 2011 06:43 Mig wrote: Here are my reads for everyone People I am very sure are town kenpachi Likely town supersoft wbg Unsure Forumite nisani risk.nuke Scamp Scummy DropBear Sevryn The top 3 I am very sure of 90%+ that they are town. WBG and supersoft I am probably like 75% town on. Any of the rest of them could potentially be scum. For today's lynch I would probably focus on NC and Jcarl. But it would be fine to pressure any of the people I have on the uncertain and lower list. Alright, so let me put this out there before I go to sleep: I doubted Mig's reads earlier in the game because I felt like he didn't consider the merits of Incog/NC being town more. He doubted mine because I pushed Forumite as scum, threw doubts on the lynch of Palmar and took part in the Curu case. Mig is a better player than I am. If you look at this list, it's clear he knew what he was talking about. After yesterday the only thing on this list that has been established as wrong is NC being town. I admit that I didn't take his efforts seriously enough until today, when jcarl flipped scum. I was wrong about jcarl and that's my own fault. We should consider the information he provided us (and also go through Erandorr's posts to see if he'd breadcrumbed anything). The bottom four on that list should be our focus. Those four are basically nisani, risk.nuke, DropBear, and sevryn. ATM I'm unsure on DropBear because he appeared townie to me yesterday (and keeps saying he's looking for a replacement) but he's done nothing but tunnel Sevryn all game. It's kinda unsettling. Risk.nuke I feel could swing either way as well. Nisani is the most likely to be town out of these four. Sevryn I'm sure is scum. Finally, on the log situation: I did not fake those logs, and by all means I genuinely believed jcarl was town. He played very similarly (IMO) to how he played in resurrection. I wasn't really around for much of LoTR so I couldn't comment on his play there, but it's clear now that Erandorr probably checked jcarl and that's why he was so adamant about pushing his lynch. I've never seen jcarl play scum and by all means he was never on my radar. My fault for not considering all the possibilities. These are the logs I have of my conversations with jcarl. I am missing the first log I had with jcarl because my browser crashed. I had 3 conversations total with him, all yesterday. These are the last two. I'll recheck my inbox to see if I have anything else that would be useful. + Show Spoiler [jcarllog1] + Original Message From wherebugsgo: [16:39] <wherebugsgo> aight [16:39] <wherebugsgo> you were gonna send me logs right? [16:39] <jcarlsoniv_> of? [16:39] <wherebugsgo> your convos with Mig/Curu I believe [16:39] <jcarlsoniv_> i hadn't spoken with curu [16:40] <wherebugsgo> just Mig? [16:40] <jcarlsoniv_> but yeah, i can send you what i spoke to mig about [16:40] <wherebugsgo> k sounds good [16:40] <wherebugsgo> it's always almost impossible to tell whether players had spoken to Curu or not lol [16:40] <jcarlsoniv_> haha [16:40] <wherebugsgo> Curu would always talk to me about things that made it sound like he'd talked to the players [16:40] <wherebugsgo> rather than hearing through Mig [16:41] <wherebugsgo> anyway he mentioned he thought you were town based on an argument you had with Mig over whether Incog is town [16:41] <jcarlsoniv_> i didn't have an argument with mig [16:41] <jcarlsoniv_> more like [16:41] <jcarlsoniv_> a very civil discussion [16:41] <jcarlsoniv_> lol [16:41] <wherebugsgo> lol [16:43] <jcarlsoniv_> k, i sent what i spoke to mig about [16:44] <jcarlsoniv_> learn anything from risk.nuke? [16:45] <wherebugsgo> to be honest no [16:45] <wherebugsgo> I can send you the log of our convo if you want [16:45] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah, plz [16:48] <wherebugsgo> also [16:48] <wherebugsgo> I've been talking to sevryn [16:48] <wherebugsgo> really can't tell if he's town or mafia either [16:50] <jcarlsoniv_> it's risk's first game? O_o [16:50] <wherebugsgo> yes [16:50] <wherebugsgo> apparently [16:51] <wherebugsgo> now keeping that in mind [16:51] <wherebugsgo> sevryn said, don't look into it too much [16:51] <wherebugsgo> when I told sevryn it is risk's first game [16:51] <jcarlsoniv_> ? [16:51] <jcarlsoniv_> teh fack [16:51] <wherebugsgo> yeah...lol [16:51] <wherebugsgo> IMO [16:51] <wherebugsgo> sevryn is scumbuddies with Forumite [16:51] <wherebugsgo> and probably sinani [16:51] <wherebugsgo> but not 100% on that [16:51] <wherebugsgo> for now [16:51] <wherebugsgo> I'm going to leave my vote on risk [16:52] <wherebugsgo> and see if sinani shows up and votes him [16:52] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah i'd like to see how risk flips [16:52] <wherebugsgo> you want to actually lynch him? [16:52] <jcarlsoniv_> i think it being his first game is definitely something we SHOULD take into consideration [16:52] <wherebugsgo> exactly [16:52] <wherebugsgo> I mean, he's played like it's his first game [16:52] <wherebugsgo> for sure [16:52] <jcarlsoniv_> "is that scummy?" from your logs with him? [16:52] <wherebugsgo> lol [16:52] <jcarlsoniv_> why the hell [16:52] <wherebugsgo> I felt like saying [16:52] <wherebugsgo> why yes [16:52] <wherebugsgo> yes it is [16:52] <wherebugsgo> LOL [16:53] <jcarlsoniv_> hahahaha [16:53] <wherebugsgo> but yeah anyway [16:53] <wherebugsgo> if sevryn is not scum [16:53] <wherebugsgo> that leaves one of forumite/sinani/dropbear/xt to be the last two [16:54] <wherebugsgo> err two of rather [16:54] <jcarlsoniv_> that makes sense [16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> how do you plan on finding out if sev is scum? lol [16:55] <wherebugsgo> I don't believe [16:55] <wherebugsgo> uhh [16:55] <wherebugsgo> yeah good question [16:55] <wherebugsgo> idk [16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> do we have a pyro? [16:55] <wherebugsgo> doubt it [16:55] <wherebugsgo> not that I know of, anyway [16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> ~_~ [16:55] <wherebugsgo> I mean, you're not anything ,are you? [16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> nah [16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> unfortunately [16:55] <wherebugsgo> yeah same here lol [16:55] <wherebugsgo> we lost our medic [16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> i think [16:56] <wherebugsgo> and he was probably the only one [16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> people see how i play in past games [16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> and they're like [16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> WOW FUCK THAT HE'S NOT GETTING SHIT [16:56] <wherebugsgo> loool [16:56] <wherebugsgo> nah man [16:56] <wherebugsgo> you're a pretty good player IMO [16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> i used to be better [16:56] <wherebugsgo> I can tell you're town [16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> got real rusty after my ~6 month hiatus [16:56] <wherebugsgo> and if you're scum you're playing a damn fantastic game [16:57] <wherebugsgo> yeah maybe that's what happened to incog lol [16:57] <wherebugsgo> his mind was just not in it [16:57] <jcarlsoniv_> has it been a while for him? [16:57] <wherebugsgo> idk I know he hasn't played recently [16:57] <jcarlsoniv_> gotcha [16:57] <wherebugsgo> none of the super vets have [16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> i gotta say though [16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> i was pretty disappointed with the play of the "super vets" this game [16:58] <wherebugsgo> rofl [16:58] <wherebugsgo> only incog is a legendary vet I think [16:58] <wherebugsgo> he just died due to inactivity [16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> i was expecting to be carried like you carried me in resurrection xD [16:58] <wherebugsgo> probably RL shit [16:58] <wherebugsgo> oh dude resurrection [16:58] <wherebugsgo> lol I loved that setup [16:58] <wherebugsgo> so baller [16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> it was definitely [16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> NOT [16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> the game [16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> to come back with [16:59] <wherebugsgo> LOL [16:59] <wherebugsgo> no flip hahaha [16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> srsly [16:59] <wherebugsgo> tbh I like that better [16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> first no flip game i ever played [16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> psh i don't [16:59] <wherebugsgo> I think you can make cool things happen with it [16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> i hate not learning things after a lynch [16:59] <wherebugsgo> like all of it [16:59] <wherebugsgo> is on scumhunting lol [16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah [16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> see [16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> i'm bad at that [16:59] <wherebugsgo> meh [16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> lol [16:59] <wherebugsgo> have some confidence lol [16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> yah [16:59] <wherebugsgo> IMO even if you're not on the right track [16:59] <wherebugsgo> I think you can tell when something's wrong [16:59] <wherebugsgo> like honestl [16:59] <wherebugsgo> incog was such an easy lynch [17:00] <wherebugsgo> palmar was too. Who defended him? [17:00] <jcarlsoniv_> did anyone? [17:00] <wherebugsgo> me, forumite, incog [17:00] <wherebugsgo> lol [17:00] <jcarlsoniv_> xD [17:00] <wherebugsgo> forumite never did it directly [17:00] <jcarlsoniv_> i knew palmar was an easy lynch [17:00] <wherebugsgo> he just kept saying "I don't like wbg/jackal lynch I'd prefer Curu/Palmar and I lean Curu" [17:00] <wherebugsgo> over and over [17:00] <wherebugsgo> just never quantified his statements [17:00] <jcarlsoniv_> i may have been a bit bitter with him over LOTR still haha [17:00] <wherebugsgo> just kept saying he liked Curu better [17:01] <wherebugsgo> lawl Palmar [17:01] <wherebugsgo> idk why he hates scum [17:01] <wherebugsgo> he just rolled over and died [17:01] <wherebugsgo> as the fuckin pyro [17:01] <wherebugsgo> anyway [17:01] <wherebugsgo> let's try to determine [17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> [1:37:48 PM] risk.nuke: It just looked so dire with mig getting killed and then curu got himself modkilled [17:01] <wherebugsgo> this shit [17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> oh wow [17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> that didn't work at all [17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> h/o [17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> lol [17:02] <jcarlsoniv_> If you're town I can't let you belive I'm mafia, we can't afford it. [17:02] <jcarlsoniv_> lol [17:02] <jcarlsoniv_> wut is that [17:04] <wherebugsgo> lawl [17:04] <wherebugsgo> alright [17:04] <wherebugsgo> you think he's noob town or noob scum? [17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> he's either scum or REALLY FUCKING NOOB town [17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> like [17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> a lot of what he's saying is noob town [17:05] <wherebugsgo> LOL [17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> but there are little things in there [17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> that are like [17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> "why would he say that if he's town" [17:05] <wherebugsgo> yes, precisely [17:05] <wherebugsgo> now did you notice anything weird about the timestamps? [17:06] <jcarlsoniv_> uh not really? [17:06] <jcarlsoniv_> convo took 2.5 hours? [17:06] <wherebugsgo> not a long convo, is it? [17:06] <wherebugsgo> it's about as long as the one we've had [17:06] <wherebugsgo> in roughly 25 [17:07] <jcarlsoniv_> why was that? [17:07] <jcarlsoniv_> he take a long time to respond to everything? [17:07] <wherebugsgo> indeed [17:07] <wherebugsgo> this was on skype [17:07] <wherebugsgo> I went back and replaced his name and my name with our s/ns [17:07] <wherebugsgo> but otherwise it's unchanged [17:07] <wherebugsgo> the timestamps [17:07] <wherebugsgo> if you notice [17:07] <wherebugsgo> sometimes he takes as long as 6 minutes to respond [17:07] <wherebugsgo> actually I think the longest gap was 10 [17:07] <wherebugsgo> and then at one point I left cause I was impatient lol [17:08] <wherebugsgo> and came back 10 minutes later [17:08] <jcarlsoniv_> glad that's not suspicious or anything [17:08] <wherebugsgo> also since skype allows you to see the person typing [17:08] <wherebugsgo> he would type type type [17:08] <wherebugsgo> then erase it all [17:08] <wherebugsgo> then just sit there [17:08] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah i saw you say something about it [17:08] <jcarlsoniv_> like he was over cautious about what he was saying [17:08] <wherebugsgo> yeah exactly [17:08] <wherebugsgo> I have no idea why [17:08] <wherebugsgo> I talked to kenpachi [17:09] <wherebugsgo> and he was like yeah I do that too, but I don't spend five minutes replying [17:09] <wherebugsgo> and I was in total agreement...everyone erases a bit [17:09] <wherebugsgo> but no one does that [17:09] <jcarlsoniv_> lol [17:09] <jcarlsoniv_> i assume that's why you'd use skype over this though? [17:10] <jcarlsoniv_> at least, that's a strong reason [17:10] <wherebugsgo> nah he preferred skype lol [17:10] <wherebugsgo> tbh with you I never considered that until this guy did it [17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> hah [17:11] <wherebugsgo> but even so he has no opinions [17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah [17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> even new people have opinions [17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> albeit, usually wrong ones [17:11] <wherebugsgo> right [17:11] <wherebugsgo> Sevryn has a few opinions [17:11] <wherebugsgo> but he has no opinion on Forumite [17:11] <wherebugsgo> which is really weird [17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah, i'm about to read that log [17:11] <wherebugsgo> yeah read it and lemme know what you think, I'll brb [17:16] <jcarlsoniv_> kinda weird how he avoided forumite til you pressed it [17:17] <wherebugsgo> yep [17:17] <wherebugsgo> he was fine with sinani [17:17] <wherebugsgo> he was like "oh wat sinani's in the game wtf?" [17:17] <jcarlsoniv_> yah [17:17] <wherebugsgo> problem is he voted for risk lol [17:18] <wherebugsgo> so I guess the solution is to lynch forumite today [17:18] <wherebugsgo> but some people aren't willing to do that today [17:18] <wherebugsgo> and rather would wait to see if he lives till tomorrow [17:18] <jcarlsoniv_> well [17:18] <jcarlsoniv_> hmm [17:18] <jcarlsoniv_> if he is blue and we lynch him [17:18] <jcarlsoniv_> that really really sucks [17:18] <wherebugsgo> yeah that's exactly why people are war [17:18] <wherebugsgo> *wary [17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> if he lives til tomorrow, we get at least one more night with him [17:19] <wherebugsgo> to me he's been scum all game so I don't give a shit [17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> assuming he's blue [17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> but yeah, he's been scummy to me too [17:19] <wherebugsgo> yeah assuming he's blue he'll get shot [17:19] <wherebugsgo> by the mafia [17:19] <wherebugsgo> for being alive 3 nights in a row [17:19] <wherebugsgo> when it was obvious he wasn't VT [17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> maybe they're just derps [17:19] <wherebugsgo> no way [17:19] <wherebugsgo> well [17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> and are happier just killing VTs [17:19] <wherebugsgo> okay yeah I guess that's possible lol [17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> lol [17:19] <wherebugsgo> they shot a bunch of mutes [17:19] <wherebugsgo> and the only remaining players in the game [17:19] <wherebugsgo> are pretty much derps [17:19] <wherebugsgo> so yeah [17:19] <wherebugsgo> wtf [17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> true [17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> also [17:20] <wherebugsgo> wtf lol so we can't even assume that [17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> you told sev i'm only a null??? [17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> *cry* [17:20] <wherebugsgo> LOL [17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> that hurts [17:20] <wherebugsgo> indeed [17:20] <wherebugsgo> don't worry [17:20] <wherebugsgo> not gonna tell sevryn shit [17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> haha [17:20] <wherebugsgo> I don't want my reads leaking to scum [17:20] <wherebugsgo> wink wink [17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> wink wink nudge nudge [17:20] <wherebugsgo> slap [17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> =( [17:20] <wherebugsgo> oh I thought you liked slaps [17:20] <wherebugsgo> dammit [17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> no [17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> that was you [17:21] <wherebugsgo> oh right [17:21] <wherebugsgo> alright so we have sev/risk covered [17:21] <wherebugsgo> as in we don't fucking know what they are [17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> rofl [17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> feels like [17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> that's a common theme [17:21] <wherebugsgo> yeah [17:21] <wherebugsgo> this game is absolute trash [17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> too many nulls [17:21] <wherebugsgo> I got warned for posting too much in the thread [17:21] <wherebugsgo> by kurumi loll [17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> i saw that [17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> kurumi real troll [17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> on scum team [17:22] <wherebugsgo> lawl [17:22] <wherebugsgo> bah [17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> doesn't want you posting, modkills curu lol [17:22] <wherebugsgo> both modkills were bs IMO [17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> what was the other one? [17:22] <wherebugsgo> tnkted [17:22] <wherebugsgo> for not voting in the voting thread [17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> oh [17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> well [17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> tbh [17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> if i were to host a game, i'd be super strict [17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> like, no warnings for edits and shit [17:22] <wherebugsgo> yeah I can see the tnkted one but [17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> cuz people should know by now [17:23] <wherebugsgo> true true [17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> but yeah, the curu one sucks [17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> i mean, i guess it's fair [17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> but really fucks us [17:23] <wherebugsgo> curu actually thought the tnkted modkill was bs lol [17:23] <wherebugsgo> and his was okay [17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> haha [17:23] <wherebugsgo> but w/e [17:23] <wherebugsgo> enough hosting discussion [17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> dude [17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> we're like [17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> super ADD [17:23] <wherebugsgo> loool [17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> now [17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> dropbear [17:24] <wherebugsgo> hey man this has been one of the most productive PMs I've had [17:24] <wherebugsgo> DB needs to show up [17:24] <wherebugsgo> or I want him dead [17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> i agree [17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> but i don't think it should happen now [17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> i think we need to watch him closely [17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> because [17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> sev is right that DB has been tunneling [17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> but [17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> more often than not [17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> a tunnel this hard is town on town [17:24] <wherebugsgo> town on town action [17:25] <wherebugsgo> aight so let's assume they're both town [17:25] <wherebugsgo> that leaves us with four [17:25] <wherebugsgo> sinani risk forumite xt [17:25] <wherebugsgo> sinani/xt scum or not? [17:25] <jcarlsoniv_> god idk [17:25] <wherebugsgo> I mean in this case with this assumption one of them has to be [17:25] <jcarlsoniv_> i'm not sure what to make of NC's display [17:26] <wherebugsgo> yeah so I'ma throw another null wrench into the mix [17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> gun to head [17:26] <wherebugsgo> GM's rage seemed to be genuine [17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> out of those two [17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> i'd say sinani [17:26] <wherebugsgo> okay I agree [17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> but, again, not much to go on [17:26] <wherebugsgo> xt I think is town [17:26] <wherebugsgo> because he responded to me in a townie fashion earlier [17:26] <wherebugsgo> when I asked him for his reads [17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> k [17:26] <wherebugsgo> like [17:26] <wherebugsgo> aggressive townie fashion [17:26] <wherebugsgo> however the fact that he had no reads [17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> you'd know something about that, eh? [17:27] <wherebugsgo> lol [17:27] <wherebugsgo> he had no reads though. and like...he seemed to lack interest [17:27] <wherebugsgo> not sure what to pick up on that but I told him to get me reads within 23 hours [17:27] <wherebugsgo> before lynch basically [17:27] <wherebugsgo> we can't lynch him today anyway [17:27] <wherebugsgo> it'd be dumb [17:27] <jcarlsoniv_> yah [17:27] <jcarlsoniv_> i can imagine being a replacement sucks [17:27] <wherebugsgo> yeah I agree [17:28] <wherebugsgo> reading all the shit me incog and NC wrote lol [17:28] <wherebugsgo> but anyway he seemed to be putting in effort in reading it [17:28] <wherebugsgo> so I've actually been leaning green on him [17:28] <wherebugsgo> sinani is absolutely null again [17:28] <jcarlsoniv_> yeh [17:29] <jcarlsoniv_> le sigh [17:29] <wherebugsgo> I'm curious though [17:29] <wherebugsgo> if we could get [17:29] <wherebugsgo> DB and Sevryn [17:29] <wherebugsgo> in the same IRC chat [17:29] <wherebugsgo> and see what they start saying lol [17:29] <jcarlsoniv_> idk [17:29] <jcarlsoniv_> might be [17:29] <jcarlsoniv_> a really quiet chat room [17:29] <wherebugsgo> lol [17:29] <wherebugsgo> I'm going to post this in the thread [17:29] <wherebugsgo> that they should PM me [17:31] <jcarlsoniv_> now, kenpachi accuses me and supersoft [17:31] <jcarlsoniv_> forumite soft defends [17:31] <jcarlsoniv_> what do you make of that [17:32] <wherebugsgo> kenpachi accusing two townies [17:32] <wherebugsgo> Forumite jumping on the opportunity to mislynch [17:32] <wherebugsgo> kenpachi is just careless [17:32] <jcarlsoniv_> now that you say that [17:32] <jcarlsoniv_> i vaguely remember that from like a year ago [17:33] <wherebugsgo> about kenpachi? [17:33] <jcarlsoniv_> yeh [17:33] <wherebugsgo> oh lol [17:33] <wherebugsgo> well [17:33] <wherebugsgo> I've only played with him twice [17:33] <wherebugsgo> here and resurrection [17:33] <wherebugsgo> not much difference tbh [17:33] <wherebugsgo> I get a townie vibe from him in PMs [17:33] <wherebugsgo> but you should talk to him [17:33] <wherebugsgo> you should talk to all these players actually [17:33] <wherebugsgo> don't mention I sent you [17:33] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah, i'll see what i can find out [17:34] <jcarlsoniv_> although, if kenpachi thinks i'm scum [17:34] <jcarlsoniv_> he may not want to say anything at all [17:34] <wherebugsgo> eh generally [17:34] <wherebugsgo> the way you talk to someone will convince them of you being scum or town [17:34] <wherebugsgo> so I'm sure if you just talk to him like we've talked it'll be fine [17:34] <jcarlsoniv_> nah man [17:34] <jcarlsoniv_> imma be like [17:35] <jcarlsoniv_> YO Y U THINK I SCUM [17:35] <wherebugsgo> LOL [17:35] <wherebugsgo> aight so [17:35] <wherebugsgo> this is what I'm gonna do [17:35] <wherebugsgo> I'm gonna make a spreadsheet [17:35] <wherebugsgo> with numbers and shit [17:35] <wherebugsgo> of who thinks who is scum [17:35] <jcarlsoniv_> numbers??? no wai [17:35] <wherebugsgo> then maybe we can identify our mafia that way [17:35] <wherebugsgo> yeah man numbers and colors and shit [17:35] <jcarlsoniv_> why don't you make it a google doc [17:35] <wherebugsgo> yeah I will [17:35] <jcarlsoniv_> ok [17:36] <wherebugsgo> oh wtf [17:36] <wherebugsgo> I pressed "create spreedsheet" [17:36] <wherebugsgo> and it did nothing [17:36] <jcarlsoniv_> you fail the internets [17:37] <wherebugsgo> what the fak [17:37] <wherebugsgo> lol wtf [17:37] <wherebugsgo> it's seriously not doing anything [17:37] <wherebugsgo> tried it in chrome and firefox [17:38] <jcarlsoniv_> T_T [17:38] <jcarlsoniv_> lemme try [17:38] <jcarlsoniv_> on fucking IE cuz i'm on a library comp [17:38] <wherebugsgo> lol + Show Spoiler [jcarllog2] + Original Message From wherebugsgo: [17:49] <wherebugsgo___> well that was dumb [17:49] <wherebugsgo___> got booted off chrome somehow [17:49] == jcarlsoniv_ [webchat@198.7.239.20] [17:49] == realname : http://webchat.quakenet.org [17:49] == channels : #loonybin [17:49] == server : *.quakenet.org [QuakeNet IRC Server] [17:49] == End of WHOIS [17:50] <jcarlsoniv_> rofl [17:50] <jcarlsoniv_> you have [17:50] <jcarlsoniv_> so many underscores [17:50] <wherebugsgo___> yeah lol [17:51] <wherebugsgo___> I figured out what was wrong with the thing [17:51] <wherebugsgo___> it's google's "new look" in the doc page [17:51] <wherebugsgo___> switched it to classic and it worked lol [17:51] <jcarlsoniv_> lol k [17:51] <jcarlsoniv_> so you're making it? [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> indeed will start now [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> okay [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> so [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> most likely scum to least likely for you? [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> remaining 12 players: [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> 2. sinani206 3. risk.nuke 4. jcarlsoniv 5. wherebugsgo 7. Nisani201 8. Erandorr 9. NotChezinu/Replaced by xtffc 13. Kenpachi 14. DropBear 15. Forumite 19. supersoft 20. Sevryn [17:53] <jcarlsoniv_> uhhhhh [17:53] <jcarlsoniv_> this is like a fucking IQ test... [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> lawl [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> all of them [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> are below 80 [17:54] <jcarlsoniv_> below 80 what? [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> IQ [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> so basically [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> pick out the dumb townies [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> from the dumb scum game [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> that's what this is hahaha [17:55] <jcarlsoniv_> lovely [17:56] <jcarlsoniv_> gonna take a minute, doing hw at the same time haha [17:57] <wherebugsgo___> k sounds good [17:57] <wherebugsgo___> take your time no rush [18:04] <jcarlsoniv_> forumite/risknuke, sinani, DB, xtffc, supersoft, Sev, Kenpachi, Erandorr, nisani, WBG/jcarl [18:04] <jcarlsoniv_> i guess [18:04] <wherebugsgo___> aight [18:05] <wherebugsgo___> I'll put that in [18:05] <wherebugsgo___> at what point [18:05] <wherebugsgo___> do you cross from unsure [18:05] <wherebugsgo___> to town [18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> at WBG/jcarl [18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> lol [18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> jk [18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> uhhh [18:05] <wherebugsgo___> sev/ken or xt/super [18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> probably somewhere between kenpachi and erandorr [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> ah okay [18:06] <jcarlsoniv_> actually, switch kenpachi and erandorr, i don't really have much on erandorr [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> alright [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> so [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> erandor and below [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> is unsure [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> and risk/forumite is scum [18:07] <jcarlsoniv_> how far is that from your list? [18:07] <wherebugsgo___> mmm [18:07] <wherebugsgo___> not terribly far but I think I have more info than you do [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> basically based on what Curu and Mig told me [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> unfortunately they didn't give me reasons [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> but I'm sure they had them [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> you, me, kenpachi, super, erandor, nisani are all town [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> like above 90% on all of you [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> unfortunately erandor is mute but I have to say his posting in the thread is not scummy at all [18:09] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah that's why i'm unsure on erandorr [18:09] <wherebugsgo___> so basically out of these I'd rank kenpachi as the lowest on being sure because he said you and super are scum for no reason [18:09] <wherebugsgo___> but I'm still like 90 on him [18:10] <wherebugsgo___> then we get into [18:10] <wherebugsgo___> xt/DB/sev/sinani [18:10] <wherebugsgo___> who are all derp and could be either [18:10] <wherebugsgo___> then forumite/risk of whom I think forumite is 95% scum and risk who is like 70% lol [18:11] <wherebugsgo___> but out of these I'd rank xt the highest, closest to town [18:11] <wherebugsgo___> then DB/sev are equal [18:11] <wherebugsgo___> sinani third to last and then risk/forumite [18:11] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah i can jump on board with that [18:13] <wherebugsgo___> yeah [18:13] <wherebugsgo___> it comes down to determining which FoSes match [18:13] <wherebugsgo___> the DB/sev thing is like??? [18:13] <wherebugsgo___> probably both retard town [18:13] <jcarlsoniv_> and we need to see who defends whom [18:13] <wherebugsgo___> yeah exactly [18:13] <jcarlsoniv_> and who condemns whom [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> did you notice [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> sevryn glossed over sinani? [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> AND forumite [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> he asked if sinani was playing [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> but he didn't answer my question [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> he answered it about Forumite when I pressed the issue [18:16] <wherebugsgo___> but he gave me no opinion about sinani [18:16] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah i did [18:16] <jcarlsoniv_> i keep getting mixed up with nisani and sinani personally lol [18:16] <wherebugsgo___> lol [18:16] <wherebugsgo___> nisani is town [18:16] <wherebugsgo___> I can almost guarantee that [18:17] <jcarlsoniv_> lol k [18:17] <wherebugsgo___> as for sinani he could be on the moon and I wouldn't know [18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> yah [18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> we need to pressure the lurkers [18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> weird for me to say cuz i'm kinda one of them [18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> at least [18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> i'm a thread lurker [18:18] <wherebugsgo___> yeah but you're not a PM lurker [18:18] <wherebugsgo___> not like DB [18:18] <wherebugsgo___> who is both [18:19] <wherebugsgo___> or sinani [18:19] <wherebugsgo___> who just sucks [18:19] <jcarlsoniv_> lol [18:19] <jcarlsoniv_> ok, i'm going back to my room [18:19] <jcarlsoniv_> save these logs [18:19] <jcarlsoniv_> cuz i can't, lol [18:20] <jcarlsoniv_> i'll be back on in like [18:20] <jcarlsoniv_> 5 - 10 minutes [18:20] <wherebugsgo___> alight sounds good Keep in mind these were all before I talked to DB in PMs. After I talked to DB in PMs I had a strong feeling he was town. At this point to be honest with all of you the only player I can say I really think is scum is sevryn. After that we've got one scum among 6 players so I imagine it shouldn't be too hard to find the last one if we just pressure everybody. ##vote Sevryn | ||
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Jcarl deciding Sevryn is not scum (I did not mention to him that I still thought sevryn was scum). He also never provided reasoning as to why he said this. + Show Spoiler [jcarl] + + Show Spoiler [day2PMs] + Original Message From jcarlsoniv: I'm not sure what to think about NC. It's possible that he's scum, but what you just posted I agree with: it's an easy lynch. He says he's disappearing for 24 hours though, so I guess we won't get any more reads on him. risk.nuke is suspect. Also suspicious of Forumite and Sevyrn. I'm in IRC right now, btw Jcarl asked me a question following my case post. This was the exchange: + Show Spoiler + Original Message From jcarlsoniv: Hah alright. I think supersoft is onto something here. I don't see a reason forumite wouldn't want to shoot sev unless they were both scum. He's hesitating too much to look town right now. I'm gonna chime in the thread once I'm done with class. Following is the first PM exchange I had with jcarl all game. + Show Spoiler [firstPMto/fromjcarl] + Original Message From jcarlsoniv: As much as everyone thinks Incog is scum, there's still a tiny doubt in my mind. I posted it in the thread and I'll say it again: If he's as good as everyone says he is, wouldn't he know what ordering a kill on prpl would imply? I easily could be wrong (you know my scum hunting capabilities =P), but that doesn't change the little doubt that's sitting in my mind. I'm fairly confident that you are town. You are playing just as you have the last two games I played with you. Although you were wrong about Jackal, I think that's just because there's something between you two that keeps creating a screaming match haha. Forumite seems extremely scummy to me. The whole "fake claiming sniper" thing doesn't sit right. He's being very meh, town-wise. Your reads? (aside from incog) | ||
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On October 08 2011 14:10 Sevryn wrote: I dont understand the case on me. I know I have been unactive and I apologize for that.but you say your sure im scum in the middle and then you really think i am scum. which is it? are you sure or do you just really think im scum? You vote for me and only have two lines in your entire post? a vote post thats 99% defensive seems kinda odd. also your whole defense here + Show Spoiler + On October 08 2011 12:52 wherebugsgo wrote: I had a feeling you thought I was scum. That's why I PMed you. I can't really say anything other than the fact that my play is not consistent with being scum. Yes, I know I haven't had the best reads this game, and for whatever reason people are expecting me to play better (and yes, I admit, I have played badly.) I've gone on tilt several times this game already and I think that was part of my mistake. Every time I did it I destroyed whatever remained of my ability to reason. Anyway, tomorrow you guys can decide whether you'd like to win or not. I realize I haven't been much use to you all (and I'll take the responsibility for xt's mislynch) but if you lynch me you'll be down another townie and it's not like that'll help you at all. is basically you saying dont lynch me guiz im town sorry about my bad play ##vote wherebugsgo I'm defending myself therefore I'm scum lol. Dude Sevryn if any other player were to play like you, they'd get insta lynched. But because you've made a name for yourself for being scummy as town, I have uncertainty about you. That's why it sucks. I can't say I'm for certain you're mafia, since you always play like this. But, the problem is that there are two scum and you've been scummy to everyone all game. | ||
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On October 08 2011 15:01 Sevryn wrote: its not that your defending yourself that makes you scum its that if you take out all of your defenses your entire post is I'm sure sevryn is scum I really think sevryn is scum then you vote for me thats your entire vote post regarding me what kind of vote post is that Are you fucking kidding? You do nothing all game and then call me out on this rofl | ||
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I can provide those logs if necessary, I'll add them when I'm on a computer. | ||
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The fact that I thought he was playing similar to how he played in resurrection. His exchange he had with Mig about Incog, particularly as Curu had pointed this out to me when I thought jcarl was scummy on day 3 (the day after Mig died and the day Curu was modkilled) and Curu had suggested to me that this made him less scummy (I agreed) The way he talked to me in PMs and was willing to discuss possibilities/share information. The one thing that was strange to me was why jcarl suddenly had a change of heart about Sevryn. He said he thought Sevryn was townie when Sevryn had done nothing between when jcarl talked tome and when he changed his opinion. That makes me wary of Sevryn even more. | ||
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On October 09 2011 04:55 Forumite wrote: Apart from Sevryn, what are your reads? DB? Supers? At this point I just want Sevryn to flip. I'll try to PM people and see who might be scum. Kenpachi and super are probably town, and I'm going to work on the assumption that you are as well.. Nisani/DB/risk could be either IMO but I'm leaning town on DB. | ||
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On October 09 2011 09:41 Sevryn wrote: really poor vote for me aswell. whats the case against me? that ive been inactive? that ive acted scummy? tell me why you think im scummy. if its based purely because of inactivity there are people who have been more inactive than me namely dropbear. and I think WBG has been scummier what with his misread after misread. I am a drunk demoman why would i be worried about dieing? only scum and blues are worried about dieing because when scum die town gains more information about their team thats why when scum know they are dieing they stop talking. If i get lynched who else do you think is scummy? You're not worried about dying because you've served no purpose this game. You literally offer nothing to town. | ||
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You, on the other hand, don't scumhunt, therefore you have no misreads. Pretty convenient to be scum in your position, eh? | ||
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@risk, I did post plenty of evidence as to why Sevryn is scum. I did it yesterday, no real need to repost it all. If you want a TL;DR it's basically: Sevryn has no fear of dying He has contributed 0. Literally nothing. He seems to have no intention of contributing anything, other than accusing me obviously He is never around at critical times. Lastly, for the second scum it's possibly Nisani. I'm fairly certain Sevryn will flip scum but even in the chance that he doesn't, town still has a good chance. In fact, it might evenbe easier because there'd be 6 players and 2 scum. DB IMO is town. Kenpachi is town. Forumite is town. Super is probable town. Risk I can't get a real read because he's new but he could very well be scum. Nisani could be scum. That's all I have. I realize I could be wrong again but we'll see how it goes. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [nisanilog] + [18:31] <Nisani201> what do you want [18:31] <wherebugsgo___> okay so [18:31] <wherebugsgo___> there's 12 players left [18:31] <wherebugsgo___> I'm making a spreadsheet [18:31] <wherebugsgo___> I need your opinion on every player left alive [18:31] <wherebugsgo___> I talked with risk.nuke earlier btw I can send you logs if you want [18:31] <Nisani201> wat? [18:31] <Nisani201> uhhhok [18:32] <wherebugsgo___> sinani206 risk.nuke jcarlsoniv wherebugsgo Nisani201 Erandorr NotChezinu/xtfftc Kenpachi DropBear Forumite supersoft Sevryn [18:33] <wherebugsgo___> those are the players [18:33] <Nisani201> hmmm [18:33] <Nisani201> so [18:33] <Nisani201> sinani206, kenpachi, dropbear, supersoft, are all pretty much the same [18:33] <Nisani201> just label them "lurkers" [18:33] <Nisani201> or something [18:34] <Nisani201> i like the case against risk.nuke [18:34] <Nisani201> so he is possibly scum [18:34] <Nisani201> jcarl is also possibly scum [18:34] <Nisani201> WHEREBUGSGO is probably town [18:34] <Nisani201> nisani201 is obvious townie [18:34] <wherebugsgo___> lol [18:34] <wherebugsgo___> oh btw why is jcarl scum [18:35] <Nisani201> jcarl seems to be hooking on the "easy lynches" [18:35] <wherebugsgo___> k [18:35] <Nisani201> and not really posting much [18:35] <wherebugsgo___> ok [18:35] <wherebugsgo___> well [18:35] <wherebugsgo___> what if I told you [18:35] <Nisani201> i explained it in other pms [18:35] <wherebugsgo___> he had a big discussion with Mig [18:35] <wherebugsgo___> over why Incog is not scum? [18:36] <wherebugsgo___> I saw the logs between them [18:36] <wherebugsgo___> and I've been talking to jcarl [18:36] <wherebugsgo___> I really doubt he's scum [18:36] <wherebugsgo___> and if he is he's playing a baller scum game (something Curu said to me as well) [18:36] <Nisani201> didn't he defend incog in-thread as well? [18:36] <wherebugsgo___> he defended incog in thread [18:36] <wherebugsgo___> but after Mig convinced him really late in the day [18:36] <wherebugsgo___> he voted incog [18:36] <Nisani201> ok, maybe not "probable scum," but still possible [18:36] <wherebugsgo___> k [18:36] <Nisani201> you make a good point [18:36] <wherebugsgo___> you should talk to him [18:36] <wherebugsgo___> because atm [18:37] <wherebugsgo___> the confirmed townies [18:37] <wherebugsgo___> or at least [18:37] <wherebugsgo___> the very likely townies [18:37] <Nisani201> are dead? [18:37] <wherebugsgo___> yeah I was just gonna say [18:37] <wherebugsgo___> the very likely townies atm [18:37] <wherebugsgo___> aren't aware of each other [18:37] <wherebugsgo___> kenpachi just FoSed two of my strongest townreads [18:37] <wherebugsgo___> super and jcarl [18:37] <wherebugsgo___> and the problem is I think kenpachi is sure town too [18:37] <wherebugsgo___> we have 6 guys who are absolutely useless [18:38] <Nisani201> i still don't understand why kenpachi is so confirmed townish [18:38] <Nisani201> why is super a townread? he barely posts [18:39] <wherebugsgo___> yeah I don't know the reason for kenpachi being town [18:39] <wherebugsgo___> because Mig and Curu did not tell me [18:39] <wherebugsgo___> but they both told me their conclusions [18:39] <wherebugsgo___> that kenpachi is 90+ town [18:39] <wherebugsgo___> also [18:39] <wherebugsgo___> sinani and sevryn are linked [18:39] <wherebugsgo___> look in the thread [18:39] <wherebugsgo___> I believe scumteam is sinani/sev/Forumite [18:41] <Nisani201> interesting [18:42] <wherebugsgo___> anywya [18:43] <wherebugsgo___> you know that sev/DB have been trading tunneling right? [18:43] <wherebugsgo___> it either means they're both town or one is scum [18:43] <wherebugsgo___> no way they both are [18:43] <wherebugsgo___> now sinani posts a vote on DB [18:43] <wherebugsgo___> without doing anything all day [18:43] <wherebugsgo___> ties himself to sev basically [18:43] <wherebugsgo___> I talked to sevryn earlier [18:43] <wherebugsgo___> and he completely glossed over both forumite and sinani [18:43] <wherebugsgo___> I asked him straight up, what do you think of sinani and Forumite? [18:44] <wherebugsgo___> he said, "sinani is playing? wtf?" and no opinion [18:44] <wherebugsgo___> and later when I pushed it he said he has a null read on Forumite [18:44] <Nisani201> you had to push the questions? was he dodging you? [18:44] <wherebugsgo___> yes [18:45] <wherebugsgo___> I'll send you the log [18:45] <Nisani201> can you put it in a pastebin or something [18:45] <Nisani201> and not copypaste the whole thing into irc [18:45] <wherebugsgo___> it's in PM [18:45] <wherebugsgo___> look in your inbox [18:47] <Nisani201> ok [18:48] <Nisani201> ok i jsut posted in the thread, gonna do some homework now [18:48] <Nisani201> anything else? [18:49] <wherebugsgo___> okay so you think jcarl is scum and risk.nuke [18:49] <wherebugsgo___> #3? [18:49] <wherebugsgo___> forumite/sev/sinani? [18:49] <Nisani201> hmmmmmm [18:49] <wherebugsgo___> and then who all is town [18:49] <Nisani201> i would say sinani is most scummy out of those [18:49] <wherebugsgo___> who all are null [18:49] <wherebugsgo___> okay [18:50] <Nisani201> forumite and sevyrn are null [18:50] <wherebugsgo___> k [18:50] <wherebugsgo___> DB? [18:51] <Nisani201> dropbear is in the lurker list, so as with all lurkers I'm leaning scum on him [18:51] <wherebugsgo___> ok [18:51] <wherebugsgo___> so your town reads=super me erandorr [18:51] <wherebugsgo___> what is xt [18:51] <wherebugsgo___> scummy? [18:51] <Nisani201> I dunno, i just unvoted him [18:51] <wherebugsgo___> null then [18:52] <Nisani201> yeah [18:52] <wherebugsgo___> kenpachi [18:52] <Nisani201> kenpachi is also lurker list, same as dropbear [18:52] <wherebugsgo___> okay [18:52] <wherebugsgo___> so you have four townies (yourself me errandor super) right? [18:52] <Nisani201> i'll probably look over xfftc [18:52] <Nisani201> to get a real read [18:52] <wherebugsgo___> then four nulls (kenpachi xt sev forumite) [18:52] <Nisani201> yeah [18:53] <wherebugsgo___> then three scummies (DB jcarl sinani) [18:53] <wherebugsgo___> and one scum (risk nuke) [18:53] <Nisani201> risk nuke is more scummy than db imo [18:53] <wherebugsgo___> yeah I listed that [18:53] <wherebugsgo___> you think DB is a null instead? [18:53] <Nisani201> oh i see [18:53] <Nisani201> nvmd [18:54] <wherebugsgo___> kk [18:54] <wherebugsgo___> I got it good? [18:54] <Nisani201> db is null but leaning scum [18:54] <wherebugsgo___> okay [18:54] <wherebugsgo___> but jcarl is worse? [18:54] <wherebugsgo___> or better [18:54] <Nisani201> jcarl is worse [18:54] <wherebugsgo___> k [18:54] <wherebugsgo___> alright [18:54] <wherebugsgo___> cool ty nisani [18:54] <wherebugsgo___> I'll PM you a link to the spreadsheet soon [18:54] <Nisani201> awesome [18:54] <Nisani201> thanks [18:54] <Nisani201> gl hf He's rather slow in providing his opinions. I clarified a lot and I was in a scramble to get information at this time, so I worked on the assumption that Nisani was town and was in a hurry to go somewhere. Looking at it now it's rather strange because Nisani doesn't provide much information to me at all. He says jcarl is probable scum but sevryn is null. He provides no real reasons for the reads he has on players. What struck me particularly odd is that he lumped lurkers into scum, but sevryn (who is /was a lurker) was null. + Show Spoiler [risknukelog] + [12:21:26 PM] wherebugsgo: hey [12:21:30 PM] wherebugsgo: you have time to discuss? [1:03:47 PM] risk.nuke: yeah [1:04:03 PM] wherebugsgo: cool cool [1:04:08 PM] wherebugsgo: what are your scumreads right now? [1:09:23 PM] risk.nuke: Honestly, I feel like I don't have a clue anymore, everyone seems suspicious but none suspicious enough to warrant a lynch [1:10:56 PM] risk.nuke: I have been really swamped and just got back, I'm currently having a look on dropbear [1:11:11 PM] wherebugsgo: okay. [1:11:18 PM] wherebugsgo: have you PMed anyone at all this game so far? [1:12:17 PM] risk.nuke: This is my first game, At first I didn't really get what do do with the pm function what to look for etc, I basicly only trusted Mig [1:13:15 PM] wherebugsgo: okay [1:13:19 PM] wherebugsgo: do you have your logs with Mig? [1:14:03 PM] risk.nuke: There are no logs, I don't think he trusted me [1:15:11 PM] risk.nuke: I haven't discussed the game with anyone privately [1:15:27 PM] wherebugsgo: okay. so you trusted Mig but never PMed him? [1:15:53 PM] risk.nuke: Yeah, is that scummy? [1:16:08 PM] wherebugsgo: I dunno, you tell me [1:16:16 PM] wherebugsgo: so you haven't received nor sent any PMs so far in this game? [1:16:20 PM] wherebugsgo: besides mine obviously [1:17:01 PM] risk.nuke: You and tnktd [1:17:13 PM] wherebugsgo: that's it? Incog never sent you anything? [1:17:24 PM] risk.nuke: Got nothing from incog [1:17:26 PM] wherebugsgo: Curu never sent you anything? [1:17:31 PM] risk.nuke: nope [1:17:33 PM] wherebugsgo: okay. [1:17:34 PM] risk.nuke: only dropbear [1:17:41 PM] wherebugsgo: you just said [1:17:48 PM] wherebugsgo: only me and tnkted messaged you [1:17:54 PM] risk.nuke: no i messeged you [1:18:04 PM] wherebugsgo: okay I'm talking [1:18:08 PM] wherebugsgo: about any sort of PM, received or sent [1:18:17 PM] wherebugsgo: which players does this encompass? [1:18:50 PM] risk.nuke: You tnktd Mig Palmar dropbear [1:19:03 PM] wherebugsgo: okay [1:19:07 PM] wherebugsgo: can you PM all your logs? [1:19:08 PM] wherebugsgo: to me [1:19:27 PM] risk.nuke: sorry? [1:19:33 PM] wherebugsgo: send me all the PMs you've received/sent [1:19:35 PM] wherebugsgo: to all these players [1:19:37 PM] wherebugsgo: to my inbox [1:19:39 PM] wherebugsgo: on TL [1:19:52 PM] risk.nuke: okey [1:19:54 PM] risk.nuke: in order? [1:20:04 PM] wherebugsgo: that'd be nice but it isn't super important [1:23:33 PM] wherebugsgo: did Palmar respond to you? [1:23:39 PM] risk.nuke: nope [1:26:31 PM] risk.nuke: that should be all of them [1:26:56 PM] wherebugsgo: okay, cool, thanks. [1:27:05 PM] wherebugsgo: have you had time to read through the thread [1:27:06 PM] wherebugsgo: ? [1:27:42 PM] risk.nuke: I'll do it noq [1:29:01 PM] risk.nuke: btw, do you get what this means? "Scamp the Mute Awkward Cow died to Liberty Launcher." [1:29:39 PM] wherebugsgo: no, I think it's just a kill flavor [1:29:53 PM] wherebugsgo: mafia killed Scamp last night and I don't think any of the rest of the flavor has any relevance to the game [1:31:22 PM] risk.nuke: Can they kill more then 1 person a night without pyro? And wth is a mute awkward cow, i don't get it, is that a role? [1:31:40 PM] wherebugsgo: yeah so basically mafia has a KP of n/2 [1:31:41 PM] wherebugsgo: rounded up [1:31:49 PM] wherebugsgo: where n=number of mafia left alive [1:32:00 PM] wherebugsgo: so if mafia has 3 members n/2 is 1.5 and round up = 2 [1:32:03 PM] wherebugsgo: so they get two kills [1:32:10 PM] risk.nuke: okey [1:32:14 PM] wherebugsgo: if we kill a mafia today with the lynch that number drops to n=2 and 2/2=1 [1:32:37 PM] wherebugsgo: a mute awkward cow is the flavor for a townie that can't PM in this game [1:32:41 PM] wherebugsgo: but appears red to DT checks [1:33:04 PM] risk.nuke: flavor? [1:33:12 PM] wherebugsgo: flavor is just like [1:33:14 PM] wherebugsgo: description [1:33:22 PM] wherebugsgo: or theme [1:33:27 PM] wherebugsgo: it has nothing to do with the actual game itself [1:33:27 PM] risk.nuke: okey [1:33:31 PM] wherebugsgo: you could call it anything you want [1:33:44 PM] wherebugsgo: in most normal games "mute awkward cow" would be "mute town miller" [1:33:57 PM] wherebugsgo: and "mute drunk demo man" would be "mute vanilla town" [1:34:59 PM] risk.nuke: Okey, [1:35:33 PM] wherebugsgo: anyway [1:36:29 PM] wherebugsgo: do you believe that I am town? [1:36:42 PM] risk.nuke: Taking a leap of faith [1:37:48 PM] risk.nuke: It just looked so dire with mig getting killed and then curu got himself modkilled [1:38:50 PM] risk.nuke: I had to do something, If you're town I can't let you belive I'm mafia, we can't afford it. [1:39:15 PM] wherebugsgo: okay. [1:39:28 PM] wherebugsgo: so I am town, indeed [1:39:36 PM] wherebugsgo: and I've confirmed myself via PM to others in the town atm [1:39:42 PM] wherebugsgo: but currently I'm pushing you in the thread. [1:39:46 PM] wherebugsgo: why should we not lynch you? [1:40:03 PM] risk.nuke: Because I'm town [1:40:27 PM] wherebugsgo: what's your role? [1:40:58 PM] risk.nuke: Drunk demoman [1:44:16 PM] wherebugsgo: okay [1:44:22 PM] wherebugsgo: so why is it [1:44:23 PM] wherebugsgo: that when you've been asked for scum reads [1:44:27 PM] wherebugsgo: you really have never had more than one? [1:44:43 PM] wherebugsgo: and they've all been town [1:47:45 PM] risk.nuke: I'm trusting you because tnktd and Mig both were sure you were town. I suspected you earlier because of your play and if you look back at it, tell me it wasn't suspicious. Tnktd got a suspect from association with you and Incognito's post 10 minutes before the guy he accuses got killed. I still can't belive he wasn't mafia [1:57:27 PM] risk.nuke: I get how I am suspicious [1:57:38 PM] wherebugsgo: right but you still have no reads [1:57:40 PM] wherebugsgo: which is a problem [1:57:47 PM] wherebugsgo: people didn't tell you why they thought I was town [1:57:49 PM] wherebugsgo: because no one believed you were town [2:03:12 PM] risk.nuke: Yes [2:13:49 PM] wherebugsgo: you were writing something? [2:14:33 PM] risk.nuke: Yeah, I've been writing and deleting quite a bit [2:14:42 PM] wherebugsgo: why is that? lol [2:14:55 PM] wherebugsgo: you should speak your mind [2:19:05 PM] risk.nuke: Just don't find the right words [2:19:09 PM] wherebugsgo: lol [2:19:12 PM] wherebugsgo: okay let me say this [2:19:19 PM] wherebugsgo: as a townie you should have no problem simply speaking your mind [2:20:09 PM] risk.nuke: and then that's exacly why I brought town to this mess [2:21:26 PM] risk.nuke: Gah just nvm [2:21:32 PM] risk.nuke: it's just not that simple [2:21:44 PM] wherebugsgo: lol what [2:21:53 PM] wherebugsgo: look town needs information [2:21:54 PM] wherebugsgo: to win this [2:22:00 PM] wherebugsgo: that's why I am talking to you right now [2:22:07 PM] risk.nuke: Yes [2:22:17 PM] wherebugsgo: okay. so what do you think of sevryn? [2:24:17 PM] risk.nuke: lurker in the forum so I got nothing, I am personally more suspicious about Jcarl and DropBear [2:24:32 PM] wherebugsgo: what do you think of Forumite? [2:25:33 PM] risk.nuke: I thought he was mafia before, shit I got scared to death when he sort of defended me in the forum [2:25:48 PM] wherebugsgo: now? [2:26:03 PM] risk.nuke: Give me a few minutes to check his posts [2:26:11 PM] wherebugsgo: sounds good [2:32:54 PM] risk.nuke: I'm neutral about him. he's scummy but then who isn't, I think I've gotten stuck in an overthink-loop (wifom) [2:33:10 PM] wherebugsgo: that's not wifom [2:33:27 PM] risk.nuke: yeah it is [2:33:28 PM] wherebugsgo: but anyway [2:33:43 PM] wherebugsgo: okay yeah I guess it is [2:33:55 PM] wherebugsgo: how did he go [2:33:58 PM] wherebugsgo: from being mafia before [2:34:01 PM] wherebugsgo: to neutral now? [2:37:21 PM] risk.nuke: he's supersuspicious [2:37:35 PM] risk.nuke: everyone I've felt that way about before have turned up blue [2:37:59 PM] risk.nuke: assuming you're blue [2:39:19 PM] wherebugsgo: I am blue [2:39:22 PM] wherebugsgo: however that's not a valid reason [2:39:31 PM] wherebugsgo: to believe that a person who was once scummy [2:39:36 PM] wherebugsgo: is no longer scummy [2:39:44 PM] wherebugsgo: plus, you never mentioned in the thread, ever, that you suspected Forumite [2:39:50 PM] wherebugsgo: why is that? [2:40:00 PM] wherebugsgo: when did you first suspect Forumite? [2:40:30 PM] risk.nuke: When he took my side in the forum [2:42:06 PM] risk.nuke: since he took my side offiicaly and said nothing to me privatly it looked like he was just interested in how it looked for other people [2:42:12 PM] risk.nuke: I was beeing used [2:42:27 PM] wherebugsgo: okay. when was this, which day? [2:42:29 PM] wherebugsgo: which post? [2:42:43 PM] wherebugsgo: and why is it you never posted a suspicion of Forumite? [2:43:34 PM] wherebugsgo: is it this: [2:43:35 PM] wherebugsgo: WBG seems determined to lynch him, which suggests risk-nuke is Town. tnkted and WBG are at the top of my scumlist at the moment for not stepping up and providing the reason why WBG must be Town, so I don´t can´t take their arguments seriously until I get a clear answer from tnkted. [2:43:52 PM] risk.nuke: I think it was before that [2:43:57 PM] risk.nuke: wait I'll try to find it [2:50:54 PM] wherebugsgo: ?? [2:55:14 PM] wherebugsgo: well? [2:55:38 PM] risk.nuke: Yes, I thought it was earlier but that's just because he was a bit anti-you [2:56:24 PM] risk.nuke: Rereading it again though i think it's very odd that he is still alive, since he claimed to be a special town role [2:56:55 PM] risk.nuke: and then asking for medic protection so he wasn't faking that to divert attention (unless he knew the medic) [2:57:37 PM] wherebugsgo: okay [2:57:43 PM] risk.nuke: anyway It's getting late [2:57:49 PM] wherebugsgo: alright [2:57:57 PM] wherebugsgo: let's talk later in this day cycle [2:58:01 PM] risk.nuke: yes [2:58:02 PM] wherebugsgo: about other players, yes? [2:58:14 PM] wherebugsgo: if you have time when you wake that would be good [2:58:22 PM] wherebugsgo: I'll still be on in 8-9 hours [2:59:22 PM] risk.nuke: Yeah timezones are a bitch, I'll see if I can reach you around 8, if i'm not there in 9 feel free to go to sleep cause then I didn't have time [2:59:31 PM] wherebugsgo: sounds good Can't really tell with this one. Risk is a new player so it makes sense for some of these things to be happening. But why would he wait so long inbetween messages? Why would he erase and reerase? Then, in the thread, why is he so bold? In PMs he's timid and careful. In the thread he just goes for it. Not sure what to pick up on, tbh with you all. If Sevryn is not scum then I'd say these two are, but I really can't see Sevryn not being scum. We'll have to pick one of these two to kill tomorrow probably. | ||
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On October 10 2011 06:49 Sevryn wrote: Scum fears dieing vanilla town does not I've contributed my thoughts and reads you seem to be ignoring voting nc day one wasn't filler I wanted him lynched And the whole not being here at vital times I work a lot of evenings That's for night kills... Townies should definitely fear dying by lynch because that is, by definition, a mislynch. How the hell is a mislynch good for town? | ||
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great. Freaking wonderful. Kill two of Dropbear/Nisani/risk.nuke. | ||
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risk if you're the sniper shoot DB. | ||
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Lol | ||
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How is nisani confirmed? If Nisani is confirmed then we need to kill risk.nuke. | ||
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Risk nuke is the last one. You can lynch me if you want, you're just going to delay yourself. Also, if you're wrong about nisani then you're fucking yourself over because if risk is town then nisani has an easy as hell path to victory. You and Forumite really need to think about this. Talk with risk and nisani. One of them is scum. | ||
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If you lynch me and then risk turns out to be town you lose. | ||
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Think about it. What about my play other than my wrong reads are consistent with scum play? I've pushed two mislynches, one of which everyone else was in support of anyway. The day we killed xt (which lots of other people were responsible for as well) and the day we killed sevryn (which everyone can agree was the best lynch that day) I even asked risk to shoot DB last night because I thought the way risk posted was suggesting he was soft claiming vig: On October 10 2011 07:11 risk.nuke wrote: Can I kill wbg now? please? So now if you're the vig kenpachi, what do you make of this statement? Then, finally, think about these things: 1. If I was scum do you think I would spend 24+ hours with NC/Incog and draft up reasons and ideas as to why the day 1 lynch was so easy, and try to figure out what was going on? Then, would I come out of nowhere as scum and take all that attention for a case on CURU that was so easily destroyed by Mig's logs? 2. If I was scum do you think I would put so much effort in to PMing everyone after Curu and Mig died to consolidate all my reads? 3. If I was scum do you think I would have this many fucking logs (with literally every player in the game?) 4. If I was scum would I have gone and given everyone my reads when I thought I was about to get shot by Jackal/Forumite? 5. If I was scum would I really spend so much time faking logs with jcarl? 6. If I was scum would I really tie myself to DB? Come on, think this through. I've done plenty of things this game to show that I'm trying to hunt scum. Yeah, I've been wrong, but being wrong doesn't mean I'm scum. | ||
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