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On September 24 2011 08:43 iGrok wrote: I didn't kill last night, I used my check
If you really want us to keep you alive, who is Saruman. I'm not willing to let you live so you can tell us later. You can tell us now and then we can decide what we think about it.
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On September 25 2011 21:01 prplhz wrote: jcarl has been tunneling palmar on and off all game and one liners on everybody else been of no use. the secret message about him being ugluk was placed there by mafia so it's a null tell.
I've been on Palmar because I still think that he could be scum. Players who run around saying "i'm town confirmed" raise a flag for me. Now, it seems rayn is raising some of the same concerns that I did in this post: + Show Spoiler +On September 23 2011 11:12 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 10:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: btw, jcar, what do you think of Palmar?? I don't like the way he's playing. This is partly because of his intentionally abrasive attitude, but also because of his lack of trying to help. Looking through his filter: -Intentionally lurking Day 1. -Calls Radfield a cool guy, votes for Erandorr (but before Radfield does) -Says DrH is giving him bad vibes -Wants the Ring to be passed to a strong town read, i.e. Radfield, Sandroba, himself, or Pyo. At the time, He was one of my weakest town reads, and I was weary of Radfield because of the Erandorr lynch, so this raised a flag for me. - Says Sandroba is likely town, but only if Sandroba stops voting for him. Claims he's basically town confirmed because of his exchanges with DrH. Literally the only time he mentioned DrH before his death is: + Show Spoiler +On September 19 2011 08:32 Palmar wrote: DrH is giving me really bad vibes. -Says chaoser is more than likely town. -Accuses iGrok, but is also ok with lynching syllogism-I vote Palmar, he clearly didn't give a fuck. -More pushing on iGrok, gives fairly good reasoning. -Continuing to be malicious, especially against syllogism and Cyber. -Now claims chaoser is scum (wait what?) -Believes Drazerk is scum -Starts to think syllogism is town, and Sandroba is looking worse. -More accusing of chaoser and plenty of BM I think Palmar could very possibly be scum. There were quite a few red flags that were raised reading through his filter.
The ONLY reason I could see Palmar as being town is because he pushed the iGrok lynch for a long time. But this could be scum bussing iGrok. It would make sense because there was no huge reason for iGrok to claim, and it made him an easy lynch (granted, an easy lynch that we derped on).
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On September 26 2011 04:01 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 23:50 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 25 2011 21:01 prplhz wrote: jcarl has been tunneling palmar on and off all game and one liners on everybody else been of no use. the secret message about him being ugluk was placed there by mafia so it's a null tell.
I've been on Palmar because I still think that he could be scum. Players who run around saying "i'm town confirmed" raise a flag for me. Now, it seems rayn is raising some of the same concerns that I did in this post: + Show Spoiler +On September 23 2011 11:12 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 10:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: btw, jcar, what do you think of Palmar?? I don't like the way he's playing. This is partly because of his intentionally abrasive attitude, but also because of his lack of trying to help. Looking through his filter: -Intentionally lurking Day 1. -Calls Radfield a cool guy, votes for Erandorr (but before Radfield does) -Says DrH is giving him bad vibes -Wants the Ring to be passed to a strong town read, i.e. Radfield, Sandroba, himself, or Pyo. At the time, He was one of my weakest town reads, and I was weary of Radfield because of the Erandorr lynch, so this raised a flag for me. - Says Sandroba is likely town, but only if Sandroba stops voting for him. Claims he's basically town confirmed because of his exchanges with DrH. Literally the only time he mentioned DrH before his death is: + Show Spoiler +On September 19 2011 08:32 Palmar wrote: DrH is giving me really bad vibes. -Says chaoser is more than likely town. -Accuses iGrok, but is also ok with lynching syllogism-I vote Palmar, he clearly didn't give a fuck. -More pushing on iGrok, gives fairly good reasoning. -Continuing to be malicious, especially against syllogism and Cyber. -Now claims chaoser is scum (wait what?) -Believes Drazerk is scum -Starts to think syllogism is town, and Sandroba is looking worse. -More accusing of chaoser and plenty of BM I think Palmar could very possibly be scum. There were quite a few red flags that were raised reading through his filter. The ONLY reason I could see Palmar as being town is because he pushed the iGrok lynch for a long time. But this could be scum bussing iGrok. It would make sense because there was no huge reason for iGrok to claim, and it made him an easy lynch (granted, an easy lynch that we derped on). Palmar's reason to start the votes on iGrok yesterday was meta from a game that iGrok was a blue role in, and now he's calling himself confirmed town for the second time this game, the first being after claiming a conversation with DocH was the evidence no less.
Exactly, which is why I still think Palmar could be scum. He has done very little alleviate that feeling.
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On September 26 2011 08:08 Drazerk wrote: prplhz was double stacked.
Also suck it scum I survived!
You get a name on the roleblocker?
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On September 26 2011 08:15 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2011 08:12 Drazerk wrote:On September 26 2011 08:09 chaoser wrote:On September 26 2011 08:08 Drazerk wrote: prplhz was double stacked.
Also suck it scum I survived! Who's the roleblocker? Yeah I was lying to get scum to shoot at me rather than role block me, I got Syllo's motivation and protected both prplhz and yourself and felt me dying would be better than missing out on both protections. I still survived though and I have no idea how. Mafia fucked up, they shouldn't have roleblocked me. Debts will be paid. Who did you target?
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On September 26 2011 08:29 Curu wrote: A message has been delivered to all within the realm!
The message reads:
There is a third party scum team who have yet to lose a member.
Why should we believe this message when the last one was a lie?
Would like a scum member to help me answer that one plz
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On September 26 2011 08:22 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2011 08:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: chaoser, who did you shoot?? It didn't go through
But who did you target
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On September 26 2011 08:36 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2011 08:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 26 2011 08:22 chaoser wrote:On September 26 2011 08:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: chaoser, who did you shoot?? It didn't go through But who did you target I was roleblocked, that's all you need to know.
=/ What is your condition for you to be able to shoot? You've been able to shoot every night (right?). Seems like a kind of strange conditional if it has happened every day so far. Just feels like you're hiding a lot from the town right now.
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On September 26 2011 20:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think it was already asked and answered, that medic and his target get notified if the target was hit.
What I'm curious about the way Drazerk said it: "Curu just confirmed that prp was hit twice". Why wouldn't he say "I blocked a hit on prp, though he still died, that must've been a double hit".
I think you've been over reacting. It makes sense that Curu telling him which target got hit would confirm his suspicions that prpl was double hit. And I believe your speculation is correct: that gollum killed prpl. Makes sense cuz prpl said he had the Ring, and gollum definitely wants the Ring.
So that means: supersoft killed by scum (1), scum hit blocked by Drazerk (benefit of the doubt for now) (2), gollum strangles prpl (assumed 3rd party hit) (3), and then did someone else claim to be hit? I'm on my phone so it's not easy to check. If so, that's 4 kp when I would only expect 2 scum kp. There are definitely some beefy powers in this game though, so maybe it was a special scum power?
Also, I agree with Palmar that kita should be looked at. I said something about him day2, but I didn't pursue it. He laid out ground rules for iGrok, but then when iGrok followed 0 of the rules, kita didn't say anything about it.
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On September 26 2011 22:31 Palmar wrote: pyo ♥
Is this for his ON or GGQ anaylsis?
Also, can you do anything special now that you've got your precious, you silly bipolar man?
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On September 27 2011 00:00 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2011 23:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'd vote GGQ for gollum, just becouse of his "i'm not saying anything useful this game besides i want to lynch iGrok". Palmar just reinacted an entire scene as Gollum and you think GGQ is more likely? Show nested quote +On September 26 2011 23:53 Palmar wrote: Actually fuck it
Kita needs to claim all his tracking targets and what actions they performed.
##Vote Kitaman27 Oh look, he's going fishing for blues! I've already confirmed that I'm a tracker by claiming that chaoser killed someone. I see little reason to essentially role claim for a player who didn't kill anyone, unless they are about to be lynched.
Right now, you're intentionally holding information from town. Town is not in a very good position right now. Not terrible, but not great. We got screwed over first two days by radfield on last minute lynches that shouldn't have happened (hindsight 20/20 and all that).
We need information. Who did you track night 1?
I also want to know more about chaoser's target last night. But I can somewhat understand why he wouldn't reveal that. If you are town, you need to help town, Kita.
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On September 27 2011 06:11 Pyo wrote: jcarlsoniv, kitaman27, GGQ, heist, TranceStorm... where have they disappeared to?
I had 5 classes straight today, and then straight to practice. I've been following along, but haven't been able to post anything too much =)
+ Show Spoiler +On September 26 2011 22:12 Pyo wrote:All this nonsense about whether Drazerk really protected someone or not feels like a distraction. Same with lending any weight to the cryptic messages. "JCARL IS UGLUK" was a lie, so trusting this new message seems silly, not to mention, how would scum know that there's another scum team, in fact, how would anyone know? So let's get back on track of finding someone to actually lynch: Show nested quote +On September 26 2011 18:59 Archon_Toilet wrote: OriginalName was pretty clearly the mafia's alternative bandwagon to iGrok. I'm pretty comfortable with him being a townie. Meh, this is WIFOM at best. The way I saw it, ON being named by iGrok meant that he likely really is scum, probably even Saruman. At the time he made the claim, out of 17 total votes there were: iGrok - 9 Palmar - 2 OriginalName - 2 If I were mafia, I would totally name Saruman in that situation. If the accusation got ignored and iGrok was lynched anyway, Saruman would gain a shit ton of town cred for being accused by scum, while if the bandwagon really did form, then iGrok's nonsense would have been "confirmed." Either way, scum gain a "confirmed not mafia" status for one of them. Throw on top of there, the fact that scum were trying to bus/cast doubt on iGrok from the get-go: radfield challenging iGrok - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11428489and again - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11446904and again - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11457496This was part of the reason why I was so inclined to believe iGrok in the first place. I mean it was radfield who was the first to really cast doubt on iGrok in the first place. To me this screams that iGrok was meant to flip, so as far as I'm concerned anything that we'd normally interpret from iGrok's lynch is probably the opposite of what we'd normally learn. In this case, it means that OriginalName really is scum. Also for what it's worth, supersoft voted for iGrok and flipped town, and I can assure you that I'm town. Dunno about heist or cheese, but just because we didn't bandwagon on iGrok doesn't mean we're scum. ---------------------------------------------- Now I don't know if I'm gonna be able to convince anyone of OriginalName being scum at this point, so I'll try to make a case for one of the other likely scum: GGQ If we look at DrH, radfield, and even iGrok, one thing that you'll notice is their exceptionally high level of activity and thread presence (in the case of iGrok, I'm referring to how he stood out with regard to his claim rather than his actual thread activity). This strikes me as somewhat odd for a scum team, which leads me to believe that the remaining scum have been and are actively lurking in the thread. The first name that comes to mind in this regard is GGQ. So what has GGQ done this game? 1. said iGrok was scum (but given radfield was also doing the same, it's a null read) 2. then responds when radfield asks iGrok to kill GGQ in the thread (the scum conversations in this game so far are really weird, yall should check them out, lol) 3. calls out chaosers weird claim 4. questions why heist started accusing ON 5. says that everyone who tried to save iGrok yesterday is scum So what's so weird about that? Well aside from it not being a whole lot, there's the fact that aside from iGrok, he's never really taken a stand against anyone else at all in the game. He's barely given any analysis either. That in and of itself should scream that he could be scum, but let's throw on some meta as well... The last time I played a game with GGQ (mafia XL), first of all he was infinitely more helpful to town, and second, he was double hit night 1 by an iGrok(GF)-led scum team. GGQ's town meta was so strong that iGrok made sure he died night 1 - pretty ridiculous eh? Well in this game, despite GGQ's correct identification of iGrok as scum on day 1, he's still alive and kicking. Kind of weird, right? A lot of that is WIFOM and/or meta, which isn't the most reliable, but the fact that there really isn't anything else to go on in terms of deciding whether he's town or not is a pretty significant concern in and of itself. GGQ is really strong player, why isn't he contributing more? TLDNR: I still think ON is scum, but I'm highly suspicious of GGQ as well.
I really like this post. I hadn't remembered that Radfield was accusing iGrok. I think you're right, iGrok was meant to be bussed. Now, I'm sure this was meant to give Radfield town cred if we killed iGrok, but after Radfield died, iGrok naming ON would fit nicely with trying to give a scum member some towniness. I'd like to hear what he has to say since he hasn't responded to this post yet.
On September 27 2011 08:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 05:47 Pyo wrote: Palmar, raynpelikoneet, you both said you agreed with my analysis on ON, yet your votes don't seem to agree with it. What's up with that? You guys just want to say that agreed with it in case he's vigi'd, but don't want to lend weight to the lynch? And specially for this question. I think ON might very well be scum, but i'm even more sure about Drazerk, at least as long as he doens't care to explain.
I'm gonna say it again. I think you might be overreacting. It seemed to me that Drazerk would be able to deduce that prplhz was double hit. Curu said that if drazerk was medic, he would tell him who was hit. So Curu tells Drazerk that he protected prplhz, but prplhz still died. It's easy to figure out that prplhz was hit twice. If a medic's target is killed by an unblockable hit, will the medic be informed at all?
What I still don't understand, though, is why Drazerk protected iGrok the night before syllo tried to hit iGrok. All he says is:
On September 22 2011 03:28 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 03:27 kitaman27 wrote:On September 22 2011 03:25 Drazerk wrote: Right lets kill two birds with one stone shall we?
I am a medic
I protected iGrok and that's how he survived Syllo's cleave.
I got a notification about iGrok getting hit so we can confirm Syllo is a day vigi with some extra powers on top.
Now can we vote for someone more productive? You're a day medic? Or are you a night medic whose protection followed over to day 2? Also, could you explain your reasoning for protecting iGrok over anyone else? Protection follows over as far as I can tell. Day 1 I wasn't getting a scummy vibe from iGrok and was uncertain about a lot of players.
But...iGrok wasn't contributing Day 1. I really would like him to explain further.
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On September 27 2011 12:49 kitaman27 wrote: @jcarl, who would be your top two lynch candidates today?
Right now, I'm suspicious of Drazerk, and slightly on ON. I can't shake the feeling that Palmar is scum, something just doesn't feel right with it. But that may just be because of his dumb play days 1 and 2, so I'm trying to ignore it for now in case I'm just holding onto something meaningless.
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Kita - how bout this. If we don't find any scum before the end of the day, we can look at chaoser. You have wasted a lot of time pushing hard for someone who is pretty convincingly 3rd party, but would t you rather lynch scum if we can?
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Palmar, do you think it's likely that a town aligned medic would be left alive 2 days after he claimed? (Drazerk)
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Kita, who did you track night 1
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On September 28 2011 01:47 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 01:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 28 2011 01:43 Drazerk wrote:On September 28 2011 01:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 28 2011 01:38 Drazerk wrote:On September 28 2011 01:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 28 2011 01:28 Palmar wrote: it makes no sense for mafia to claim what drazerk has claimed. If he was actually mafia he could've just said he protected me (I got iGrok lyncheD), chaoser (could be a vigi, although he's an SK), or Kita (claimed tracker).
Drazerkery is not scum, he's bad, but not scum.
Mafia claiming has been senseless througout the game already. How would you explain the fact that Drazerk protected prplhz, was not RB, and still there was a mafia hit on prp? I wasn't role blocked because they tried to kill me ( They failed thanks to the second medic ) and they role blocked chaoser who was going to kill one of them last night and possibly reduce them a KP. To be more clear, why would mafia hit prplhz when they clearly know you are going to protect him, and they clearly know you are not going to be roleblocked?Could you answer to the actual question please? They didn't know I was going to protect him... lol Of course they did, as you told them before nightkills. this may be a new concept to you. Telling people your going to do stuff and actually doing stuff are totally different things. For all Mafia knew I was trying to throw them off hitting prp by saying I was going to protect him but actually protect someone else.
wut...what would this achieve? We knew prpl was Frodo. So you could claim to protect Frodo, who is a good target for scum, but actually protect someone entirely different, when it was pretty clear scum wants Frodo dead. How does that make any sense at all?
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On September 28 2011 02:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 02:21 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 28 2011 01:47 Drazerk wrote:On September 28 2011 01:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 28 2011 01:43 Drazerk wrote:On September 28 2011 01:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 28 2011 01:38 Drazerk wrote:On September 28 2011 01:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 28 2011 01:28 Palmar wrote: it makes no sense for mafia to claim what drazerk has claimed. If he was actually mafia he could've just said he protected me (I got iGrok lyncheD), chaoser (could be a vigi, although he's an SK), or Kita (claimed tracker).
Drazerkery is not scum, he's bad, but not scum.
Mafia claiming has been senseless througout the game already. How would you explain the fact that Drazerk protected prplhz, was not RB, and still there was a mafia hit on prp? I wasn't role blocked because they tried to kill me ( They failed thanks to the second medic ) and they role blocked chaoser who was going to kill one of them last night and possibly reduce them a KP. To be more clear, why would mafia hit prplhz when they clearly know you are going to protect him, and they clearly know you are not going to be roleblocked?Could you answer to the actual question please? They didn't know I was going to protect him... lol Of course they did, as you told them before nightkills. this may be a new concept to you. Telling people your going to do stuff and actually doing stuff are totally different things. For all Mafia knew I was trying to throw them off hitting prp by saying I was going to protect him but actually protect someone else. wut...what would this achieve? We knew prpl was Frodo. So you could claim to protect Frodo, who is a good target for scum, but actually protect someone entirely different, when it was pretty clear scum wants Frodo dead. How does that make any sense at all? Also i'd like to add mafia still hit prp. Isn't it weird?
Indubitably
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[QUOTE]On September 28 2011 02:31 kitaman27 wrote: [QUOTE]On September 28 2011 02:26 chaoser wrote: Mafia doesn't like to kill 3rd parties...QUOTE]
[QUOTE]On September 28 2011 02:26 chaoser wrote: Mafia doesn't like to kill 3rd parties...QUOTE]
[QUOTE]On September 28 2011 02:26 chaoser wrote: Mafia doesn't like to kill 3rd parties...QUOTE]
I'm trying to get you killed, you're 3rd party. I'm not mafia! Yay chaoser![/QUOTE]
I assume he meant mafia doesn't want to waste KP on 3rd part, but they're more than happy to push a lynch on 3rd party cuz, yah know, it's not one of their own.
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