Lord of the Rings Mafia

On September 15 2011 01:41 prplhz wrote:
I might be less active during the weekend because I'm a crime fighting vigilante.

On September 17 2011 08:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
From the looks of the OP there will be more than one faction in this game. I don't know much about LoTR lore actually. Are there any neutral characters/factions that might make sense in the context of the game?

I know Tom Bombadil was kind of a neutral figure right? He was just concerned about his forest or whatever

On September 17 2011 09:04 Drazerk wrote:


I agree with this.

##Vote: Greymist

On September 17 2011 10:33 Navillus wrote:
Also I don't like cluttering the space with too much talk about the ring, I think for the sake of those with no knowledge of the lore I should say (btw I've only seen the movies)

Frodo probably can give the ring
Sam almost definitely can
Aragorn possibly can
And
In LOTR the powerful people, even the goodies made it seem particularly bad if they were to get the ring, specifically Galdrial and Gandalf make sure never to touch it, this won't necessarily factor into the game but I think it's info everyone should have, beyond everyone getting the basics (and do add if I missed something obviously important) I think we should stop talking about this.

On September 17 2011 11:11 OriginalName wrote:


...

DIDNT YOU JUST WANT TO TRADE THE RING TO YOU.

ok i see im not sure if scum or really stupid.

On September 17 2011 14:39 Jackal58 wrote:

And what compelling reason do we have to allow Sauron to survive?

On September 17 2011 15:27 TranceStorm wrote:
@DrH. Fine, those are valid points. I didn't fully flesh out my plan as well as I imagined it would be and underestimated the risks.

But, wouldn't it be a good idea to set the rule that if a player does ever pass on the ring, they reveal its powers? We already know that everyone wants the ring (both town and non-town) so I think it would be beneficial to town discussion to know the ring powers. (if they don't change like you fear they might).

On September 17 2011 19:22 xtfftc wrote:

Nope. Discussions about game mechanics often reveal bits of information about people's alignment. More importantly, the reactions to these discussions provide information as well. Compared to trolling, discussing lore, speculating about game mechanics and jumping on random people, this is by far the best way to start a proper discussion. Something you seem interested in not doing... Would you say that the current theorycrafting exercise is getting us any closer to catching mafia?

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On September 17 2011 19:23 xtfftc wrote:
Also, none of the currently discussed lynch targets are viable. They are all easy ones. I'd rather go for a random lynch out of the remaining players.

On September 18 2011 02:35 heist wrote:






These kind of posts are exactly what we can't allow to just slide by. You are just posting aggressive little one-liners that aren't exactly contributing much to town discussion. If you disagree with someone, I would ask that you flesh out your ideas more and provide your thoughts on specific players.

As a side note, the reason we want at least two majority candidates is it forces everyone to make a choice. If we have just one easy target everyone votes for, we will gain absolutely no information based on the lynch since everyone voted the same. Being forced to choose creates liability and patterns will start to emerge that can be worked with. If the situation is 1 townie and 1 scum on the chopping block, and the mafia try to swing majority votes for the townie, that's a lot of information that we can use.

On September 19 2011 05:48 prplhz wrote:
the case against me is pretty fleeting, from my point of view it's a bandwagon that's slowly been building, there's never been any pbp analysis or anything, just a bunch of people i have never seen or heard about before slowly deciding that they're gonna put their vote on me and go away and this pretty much sucks. i'd rather lynch wbg than me too in case he actually turns out to be 3rd party, it's better than me dying anyway.

i'd also like for as many people to be around until deadline as possible in case something happens.

On September 19 2011 06:58 Radfield wrote:



Lets assume there is very little missing from Erandorr's defense. Why are you giving him a free pass?Do you still think prp is a better target than Erandorr?

On September 20 2011 08:41 prplhz wrote:
my dear sam a bad night for hobbits

i'm frodo and sam/ciryandor didn't get hit last night he valiantly took at hit for his master, me.

i also got roleblocked last night.

i'm vanilla town, except i had mason and bodyguard in sam, and i don't have the ring, i assume it's in possesion of bilbo but this is just speculation, though more qualified since you'd probably assume that the ring was with frodo but i have insider knowledge on just. please don't spam up the thread again with ring-speculation because of this revelation.

people need to get posting, 4 people were hit last night, seems a bit excessive for scum to have 4 KP. who did you hit and why?

On September 19 2011 04:58 Vain wrote:
Yeah, i don't think Prplhz is mafia. Far too easy bandwagon and at least he tries to contribute. Another funny thing is that Mr wiggels first takes the time to call syllogism because he names up a few people and then votes another one but at the same time Wiggles doesn't give a reason to vote for Prplhz either aside from "seeming mafia".

I don't think any of the three leading lynches are good idea's. WBG isn't posting total crap anymore, yes his start was a bit iffy but you can't point to that as scum behaviour. He could be 3rd party but why would we lynch a maybe-3r party at day one when he could also help us get rid of the ring?

Then we have jackal who is voted for because he didn't contribute enough? Really? There are many more players who haven't contributed at all but are not due to be lynched.

I find that the players that voted for Wbg in the first place are much more suspicious than any of those three for now. I had a very uneasy feeling with Dr.H when i started reading all the pages i was behind and i still have it now. I can't really put my finger on it but to me it's the best target we have.
When players say things like "We can't spend this whole game talking about roles. Scumhunting is #1"i always get uneasy. So my vote goes to him for now

On September 20 2011 08:58 Radfield wrote:


The flip:

First and foremost is cirryandor being bodygaurd:


with him flipping town mason, that means prp is most certainly town, and most certainly frodo. With Prp taking the hit and not Sam, I can only assume that prp was vigged. Mafia have zero incentive to kill Prp, unless they somehow knew he was frodo, which would explain both the hit and the Day 1 wagon. We gain oodles of info and clarity from prp dying.

Prplhz is now confirmed town

On September 20 2011 09:42 chaoser wrote:






The Flavor Kill Text for all three.

On September 21 2011 01:47 Cyber_Cheese wrote:


Yeah I've been toying around with it by shifting the alphabet up and down, it doesnt really help much...
between one letter up and one down, you can make out is in the middle and wn on the end of the last word, but the rest is all jargon still so i doubt that's actually the methodology required

if your correct in assuming its regards someones alignment, the first word is 6 letters long so I could see it being these:

jackal
palmar
xtfftc
jeejee
archon
cheese
prphlz
trance

sandro?
ciryan?

I've been thinking it could be in reverse somehow too, ring is secure or something?
It's really confusing though...

On September 21 2011 03:54 syllogism wrote:
Well this is interesting

I just got shot, as in a day vig hit me

On September 17 2011 15:27 TranceStorm wrote:
@DrH. Fine, those are valid points. I didn't fully flesh out my plan as well as I imagined it would be and underestimated the risks.

But, wouldn't it be a good idea to set the rule that if a player does ever pass on the ring, they reveal its powers? We already know that everyone wants the ring (both town and non-town) so I think it would be beneficial to town discussion to know the ring powers. (if they don't change like you fear they might).

On September 21 2011 11:28 iGrok wrote:
Well, if you're a DT I'll give it to you - when you check me you'll get my role PM, If you want to use my power, post the first word in the name of my Checking ability in one of your posts. I'll use it on the next name that appears in your post.

On September 21 2011 20:11 Radfield wrote:


How bout no.

Your claim seems like so much bullshit, yet I see very little motivation for your claim from a mafia perspective. Your claim buys you maximum 1 day if you are scum.

Here's what's going to happen: You're not going to get the ring, and you're not going to wait for a dt check. You are going to shoot a target of our choosing tonight, and that target is going to flip with your fancy flavor text. In the event that doesn't happen you are going to get auto-lynched the next day, end of story.

If you want to contribute or not, I could care less. Frankly at this point you're just a distraction. You are either mafia shitting things up, and will be confirmed scum tomorrow, or your third party shitting things up and will deliver us a kill.

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I'll have more time later on today, but need either Jackal or Pyo to get lynched today.

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I cannot reconcile these two statements with a town player. First statement makes an excuse for inactivity in that you don't want to "create scenarios for the mechanics". The second statement, and your reason for voting are based on creating scenarios for the ring mechanic. Add to this that you have refused to weigh in on the major lynch candidates, and have no real scum reads other than heist(who's obviously not getting lynched anytime soon). You have zero contributions this game other than a poor analysis on heist(who you've been poking since day 1). Are you really trying to claim that your only read this entire game is Heist?



Jackal and Pyo are both very likely scum, iGrok as well but he will confirm his own alignment(via his night kill) for us. We lynch Jackal first as that narrows down our list of vets. Presumably some of me, chaoser, sandro, syllo, palmar, ON will die tonight which will leave several players out in the open.

##Vote Jackal

On September 23 2011 07:21 GMarshal wrote:

time lords on the other hand...

On September 23 2011 08:21 OriginalName wrote:


Ugluk is the orc who capped Merry and Pippen during two towers...

On September 23 2011 08:29 Drazerk wrote:


I came up with three possibilities

1. That is a translated version of the day 1. ( DT scans sends message then someone else translates?)
2. Mafia have left this to try and trick us.
3. Curu likes giving us scum?

On September 23 2011 08:40 kitaman27 wrote:


Yep, I don't see why scum would mason a fellow scum on night one, so they would be practically confirmed town.

On September 12 2011 03:51 GreYMisT wrote:
Are we told what the One ring does when you have it? or are we not supposed to know/ is it role specific?

On September 12 2011 03:53 Curu wrote:
You are told when you have it.

On September 26 2011 08:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why was he double stacked?

On September 26 2011 08:14 Drazerk wrote:


He was frodo - The rings corruption means he has to pass it on after a while.

On September 26 2011 08:22 TranceStorm wrote:

That makes no sense. On night 2 mafia killed syllogism and sandroba (Vain was modkilled). That means a KP of at least 2. Yet somehow, their KP jumped substantially higher despite the fact that they lost 2 mafia members.

On September 18 2011 02:35 heist wrote:
As a side note, the reason we want at least two majority candidates is it forces everyone to make a choice. If we have just one easy target everyone votes for, we will gain absolutely no information based on the lynch since everyone voted the same. Being forced to choose creates liability and patterns will start to emerge that can be worked with. If the situation is 1 townie and 1 scum on the chopping block, and the mafia try to swing majority votes for the townie, that's a lot of information that we can use.

On September 18 2011 19:31 heist wrote:
Gone the entire day and just found out I forgot to place my vote on Navillus. Oh well. I no longer feel like he's scum based on his subsequent responses, just a townie with some bad decisions.

WBG, DrH, and Drazerk are terrible lynches right now. WBG is definitely the easy lynch right now and most likely NOT SCUM. DrH is arguably one of the most active and most town player we have right now. Frankly, the justifications for Drazerk are weak, really really weak.

However without much better alternative, I'm liking Syllogism's plan for now. No more lurking from those that could be such an asset to the town. I will go ahead and double that pressure.

##Vote: Jackal58

On September 22 2011 14:14 heist wrote:
Neutral survivors can be whatever Curu wants esp as it fits with the lore. Honestly, would you make Balrog mafia or neutral? He's not part of the central conflict AT ALL in the story. I'm assuming everyone who has special powers with the ring don't have the ability to obtain it on will. How do you know Sauron has an active ability with the ring? perhaps his main purpose is just to locate it and give to a mafia member who can most use it.

On September 26 2011 10:29 chaoser wrote:


Why do you want to know? What does town gain from knowing my requirements? Nothing. It's not like they can prove what I could say as truth or not. What does mafia gain from knowing my requirements? Nothing, same thing, they can't trust what I say as truth or not. Everyone needs to stop fishing for my abilities and play the game. I killed a ciryandor, I killed Radfield, and now I've been role blocked. That's literally all the real information you need about me.

On September 27 2011 03:16 Cyber_Cheese wrote:


Low activity and atrocious voting? Sounds much like someone I know...
That is the very first time you have mentioned heist all game.

On September 27 2011 04:23 Cyber_Cheese wrote:


He seems town to me, he's asked for people to give well thought out reasons to vote and didn't follow the Radfield wagon.
Scum or not, DocH wasn't the best choice for a day 1 lynch, and that was very evident in that he never became a major candidate. I don't think that should be used against him. I would like to hear some of his current thoughts since the flip.
I'm on the fence about his 2 candidate policy, it's situational whether two candidates is better or worse than one.
Moreover, the voting for people other than iGrok I believe to have been a mafia bus. so he seems to be a townie to me at the moment.

For as long as I'm asking people, what is your opinion on Palmar?

On September 28 2011 01:53 Palmar wrote:


yeah whatever. This is fucking terrible, the entire game has consisted of bad town decisions because they're afraid of being wrong.

Just trust me, I'm awesome at this.

Kitaman is scum. Drazerk isn't.

Whatever, this is stupid. I'm off, enjoy fucking failing again town.

On September 28 2011 02:59 kitaman27 wrote:


...

GGQ, Grey, ON, Archon, Cheese, heist, Tance, Pyro...do any of you guys have an opinion or are you all going to sit back and watch the mislynch?

On September 28 2011 06:38 kitaman27 wrote:
This lynch is nowhere near decided with all the lurkers sitting back and watching.

On September 28 2011 08:15 kitaman27 wrote:
How do you know about his powers?

On September 28 2011 09:01 heist wrote:
Fine don't. But dear god, dont kill me.

On September 28 2011 09:47 GGQ wrote:
I think I'm supposed to be modkilled =/

Have mercy, curu? I can catch up on the thread tonight

If I'm modkilled, chaoser is 99% the sk, cyber, pyo, and heist are probably the mafia

On October 01 2011 04:57 GMarshal wrote:

oops...