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On September 15 2011 01:41 prplhz wrote: I might be less active during the weekend because I'm a crime fighting vigilante. Claiming vig this early? Oh my. | ||
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That is all. | ||
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On September 17 2011 08:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: From the looks of the OP there will be more than one faction in this game. I don't know much about LoTR lore actually. Are there any neutral characters/factions that might make sense in the context of the game? I know Tom Bombadil was kind of a neutral figure right? He was just concerned about his forest or whatever The only neutral figures I can think of (I havnt watched/read LoTR in a long time) are possibly Golom/Smeagal or the Ents. I feel our best course of action day one has got to be to have whoever is in possession of the One Ring to come out of hiding and give it to me. I'll take good care of it. | ||
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Well looks like I succeeded in getting discussion going. Out of the three people who voted for me immediately, only Dr. H and chaises gave a good reason. Daz, any other reason rather than "I agree," or is your vote a sheep vote? | ||
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On September 17 2011 10:33 Navillus wrote: Also I don't like cluttering the space with too much talk about the ring, I think for the sake of those with no knowledge of the lore I should say (btw I've only seen the movies) Frodo probably can give the ring Sam almost definitely can Aragorn possibly can And In LOTR the powerful people, even the goodies made it seem particularly bad if they were to get the ring, specifically Galdrial and Gandalf make sure never to touch it, this won't necessarily factor into the game but I think it's info everyone should have, beyond everyone getting the basics (and do add if I missed something obviously important) I think we should stop talking about this. Navillus I think the following list is correct in terms of most resistant to the ring's corruption to the least resistant. Hobbits Wizards Elves Dwarves Men I think a townie should never give the ring away unless specific mechanics of the ring make it detrimental to hold on to (corruption possibly). Anyways to get more discussion going what do you guys think about lynching a lurker day 1 in the absence of a better target? Maybe its just me but whenever this happens it always ends badly for the town. Don't seem to get much info from them because they were lurking from the get go anyways. Thoughts on the lynch lurkers policy guys? | ||
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On September 17 2011 11:11 OriginalName wrote: ... DIDNT YOU JUST WANT TO TRADE THE RING TO YOU. ok i see im not sure if scum or really stupid. sigh. As supersoft mentioned on page 8 of this thread, the "guys give the ring to me" bit was a joke post. No one can possibly believe that a real scum player would step into the spotlight, on the first page of day one, and with no reasoning demand what might be a very powerful ability just be handed over to him. The post you quoted is my actual opinion on the subject of the ring or any other items that might be present in this game. | ||
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On September 17 2011 14:39 Jackal58 wrote: And what compelling reason do we have to allow Sauron to survive? Promises of power and land I would imagine. | ||
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On September 17 2011 15:27 TranceStorm wrote: @DrH. Fine, those are valid points. I didn't fully flesh out my plan as well as I imagined it would be and underestimated the risks. But, wouldn't it be a good idea to set the rule that if a player does ever pass on the ring, they reveal its powers? We already know that everyone wants the ring (both town and non-town) so I think it would be beneficial to town discussion to know the ring powers. (if they don't change like you fear they might). I think that the powers of the ring should be treated sort of like a DTs checklist from what I understand. Keep your checks hidden until you fill its nessesary to come out to the town as a DT and provide nessesary information. Likewise with the ring. keep the fact that you have/had it hidden, but If the town enters a situation where that knowledge would be helpful, reveal it with the knowledge that you now have a giant target painted on your head. | ||
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on the matter of xt though, he makes a rather interesting contradiction On September 17 2011 19:22 xtfftc wrote: Nope. Discussions about game mechanics often reveal bits of information about people's alignment. More importantly, the reactions to these discussions provide information as well. Compared to trolling, discussing lore, speculating about game mechanics and jumping on random people, this is by far the best way to start a proper discussion. Something you seem interested in not doing... Would you say that the current theorycrafting exercise is getting us any closer to catching mafia? + Show Spoiler [Pointless theorycrafting] + As a side note, it would be rather fun if WBG is indeed Gollum and part of his role is asking for the ring in every single post he makes. And I know I just said that theorycrafting gets us nowhere near to catching mafia but I can't help myself. Assuming that Gollum is capable of stealing the ring, we can not afford to kill him, no matter how annoying he becomes. If mafia get the ring, Gollum would likely be our best chance of retrieving it back from them - and we all agree that Sauron or Saruman being in possession of the ring is a really bad situation for town. Actually, WBG already has two posts that don't mention the ring but perhaps it doesn't have to be every post but he has a quota instead? Note in the bold he is for disscusion day 1, and against jumping on random people. So what brings someone of that mindset to this? On September 17 2011 19:23 xtfftc wrote: Also, none of the currently discussed lynch targets are viable. They are all easy ones. I'd rather go for a random lynch out of the remaining players. first he doesnt want to do anything random and continue to discuss, but now he is for a random lynch of the remaining players? interesting... | ||
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On September 18 2011 02:35 heist wrote: These kind of posts are exactly what we can't allow to just slide by. You are just posting aggressive little one-liners that aren't exactly contributing much to town discussion. If you disagree with someone, I would ask that you flesh out your ideas more and provide your thoughts on specific players. As a side note, the reason we want at least two majority candidates is it forces everyone to make a choice. If we have just one easy target everyone votes for, we will gain absolutely no information based on the lynch since everyone voted the same. Being forced to choose creates liability and patterns will start to emerge that can be worked with. If the situation is 1 townie and 1 scum on the chopping block, and the mafia try to swing majority votes for the townie, that's a lot of information that we can use. While having 2 lynch candidates as opposed to one is obviously a good thing, the bolded portion is almost the definition of WIFOM. Analysis on that level requires to many assumptions and "what ifs" to be effective. I took chaoser's advice and looked at prplhz's posts this game. Unfortunatly i couldnt come up with much more than chaoser already mentioned. Take a look at his filter though. Notice how all his posts are typically very neutral/don't contribute much. Especially note how, around the time i was accumulating votes, he gently nudges people's attention towards me, and yet doesn't vote, even when others have. after his very brief post regarding me, he goes back to talking about other things. It seems to me that he was setting himself up to join my bandwagon should it continue to form as the day progressed. All of his posts definatly give off the feel of a mafia player trying to appear usefull, yet flying under the radar. and for that: ##Vote prplhz prplhz, Do you have any suspicions/thoughts you would like to share? | ||
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Is everyone ignoring this because this is standard Jee-Jee? or did people honestly miss it? | ||
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On September 19 2011 05:48 prplhz wrote: the case against me is pretty fleeting, from my point of view it's a bandwagon that's slowly been building, there's never been any pbp analysis or anything, just a bunch of people i have never seen or heard about before slowly deciding that they're gonna put their vote on me and go away and this pretty much sucks. i'd rather lynch wbg than me too in case he actually turns out to be 3rd party, it's better than me dying anyway. i'd also like for as many people to be around until deadline as possible in case something happens. Take a look at this post. This post sounds like scum tried to convince himself and everyone else that the votes piling up on him will just go away. Look at his defeatist attitude as well. Townies dont/shouldnt just "give up" when they have a wagon piling up on them. they begin scumhunting as best as they can to find a better target. Scum, on the other hand, do give up because they know there isnt going to be a better target. Also, at the very end he feebly deflects attention to WBG because he might be a 3rd party, instead of looking for scum targets. | ||
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On September 19 2011 06:58 Radfield wrote: Lets assume there is very little missing from Erandorr's defense. Why are you giving him a free pass?Do you still think prp is a better target than Erandorr? Assuming very little was left out of his defense, the reason I am voting prplhz over errandor is as follows: Errandor was inactive for the majority of the first day, following his return from the thread he was suspicious of WBG and called him out, as many of us did. however, other than the fact that he has few posts, I dont have a scum read on him for wanting more out of WBG. I shall reread when his votes picked up to obtain more info. prplhz, on the other hand, has posted quite a bit, therefore I have more information on him. This information is largely what chaoser has pointed out (contradictions) as well as what i feel is defending himself in a scummy manner. | ||
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On September 20 2011 08:41 prplhz wrote: my dear sam  a bad night for hobbitsi'm frodo and sam/ciryandor didn't get hit last night he valiantly took at hit for his master, me. i also got roleblocked last night. i'm vanilla town, except i had mason and bodyguard in sam, and i don't have the ring, i assume it's in possesion of bilbo but this is just speculation, though more qualified since you'd probably assume that the ring was with frodo but i have insider knowledge on just. please don't spam up the thread again with ring-speculation because of this revelation. people need to get posting, 4 people were hit last night, seems a bit excessive for scum to have 4 KP. who did you hit and why? Can anyone counter claim frodo? because if this is true we lose another major lynch target from yesterday. I agree that we should look into the errandor lynch closely. Vain seems to me a very suspicious character. On September 19 2011 04:58 Vain wrote: Yeah, i don't think Prplhz is mafia. Far too easy bandwagon and at least he tries to contribute. Another funny thing is that Mr wiggels first takes the time to call syllogism because he names up a few people and then votes another one but at the same time Wiggles doesn't give a reason to vote for Prplhz either aside from "seeming mafia". I don't think any of the three leading lynches are good idea's. WBG isn't posting total crap anymore, yes his start was a bit iffy but you can't point to that as scum behaviour. He could be 3rd party but why would we lynch a maybe-3r party at day one when he could also help us get rid of the ring? Then we have jackal who is voted for because he didn't contribute enough? Really? There are many more players who haven't contributed at all but are not due to be lynched. I find that the players that voted for Wbg in the first place are much more suspicious than any of those three for now. I had a very uneasy feeling with Dr.H when i started reading all the pages i was behind and i still have it now. I can't really put my finger on it but to me it's the best target we have. When players say things like "We can't spend this whole game talking about roles. Scumhunting is #1"i always get uneasy. So my vote goes to him for now The only post he made with any real bearing on the game is him stating why he doesnt feel like lynching prplhz because it looks too easy, and WBG because his posting improved when he came under fire. Overall a very wishy washy post. FOS Vain Also what is your guy's bearing on this? On September 20 2011 08:19 Curu wrote: A message has been delivered to all within the realm! The message reads: Fdehfq ht Ytxm | ||
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On September 20 2011 08:58 Radfield wrote: The flip: First and foremost is cirryandor being bodygaurd: with him flipping town mason, that means prp is most certainly town, and most certainly frodo. With Prp taking the hit and not Sam, I can only assume that prp was vigged. Mafia have zero incentive to kill Prp, unless they somehow knew he was frodo, which would explain both the hit and the Day 1 wagon. We gain oodles of info and clarity from prp dying. Prplhz is now confirmed town I missed the quoted portion from Cirryandor. Disregard what i stated in my above post about needed a counter claim for prp. | ||
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