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prplhz looks town to me, Jackal I think is scum. I think GGQ is scum, Dr. H is scum, and Archon_Toilet is scum. Pyo is just stupid. (ohai XLIV) iGrok is wishy washy and possibly scum. Drazerk is scum.
On September 18 2011 21:25 Jackal58 wrote:
My vote is going on Bugs. Having played a couple of games with him now I know he is aggressive as town. He has not trolled any games to this point. His activity level is the same but his style is different. I don't believe he is mafia but I do believe he is 3rd party with a separate win condition from town. Right now I see two options for him. Lynch him or give him the ring and see what happens.
If he and the ring leave the game that is probably not a bad thing. If we lynch him and the ring stays in the game that's probably not quite as optimal but still not a bad thing. Worse case scenario is they are both still here tomorrow.
If you have the ring give it to Bugs. I can't believe that will end the game. The ring is inherently evil anyways.
Other than Bugs the only person that has struck me as off is Heist. I'm more sure of Bugs not being town than I am of Heist being scum so Bugs is getting my vote.
This post establishes a scum agenda.
Lynch me, give me the ring though, but lynch me.
Jackal clearly has not read the OP, or is being misleading. He's made some dumb moves as town before but I don't think he'd suggest such a thing unless he was mafia. If I get the ring and then get lynched, the ring gets passed to one of my voters.
This is a scum agenda at its finest. You can see that it's true because by looking at the voter list you see that every single person who is voting for me has shady intentions.
If you don't believe in my innocence yet, stop looking at WHAT I've done and look at HOW I've done it. I went crazy on about the ring for a bit of time, sure. I have my reasons for doing that and I don't have to explain those reasons to any of you unless I actually want to (and at this point, I don't want to) but if you're actually looking at my behavior you know that voting me is a stupid idea.
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I'm going to vote Jackal. I'm not convinced on prplhz.
It should be fairly obvious that I'm an easy lynch for mafia. I'm not scum.
##unvote Archon_Toilet
##vote Jackal58
I suggest we look at Archon_Toilet, Dr. H, and Drazerk more carefully, particularly after the lynch. None of them have contributed anything; all the voters on me have feigned contribution by essentially voting me and saying nothing else.
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On September 19 2011 03:31 Pyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 02:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
Scum is voting me. I'll keep this short since I'm on my phone.
I asked for the ring relentlessly. People thought that was scummy. Look at the bandwagon on me right now.
Then, look at Jackal's votepost on me. He says it's a good idea to give me the ring, because he doubts the game will end if I get it, but wants to lynch me anyway.
That's a pro mafia stance. If I get the ring and get lynched, the ring is randomly sent to one of the voters. If the majority of the voters are scum then they get a better chance of getting the ring.
Between Dr H, Jackal, Pyo, iGrok, and Drazerk, I'd bet we can find at least 3 scum. (these are the current voters on me)
You can also easily make a case against any one of these players. Filter them all if you don't believe me. That makes no sense... in a situation where votes are scattered all over the place, why would scum put 3 onto the same person. Additionally, if scum really wanted you dead, they'd kill you at night – with split votes like we have it should be really easy for them push for the lynch of someone they know to be town. You're also misconstruing what Jackal said – he said we should get rid of you either by lynching you or if that fails by giving you the ring. Paraphrasing what people say to alter their meaning is incredibly scummy. My vote stays on you.
Of course it makes sense, scum want a mislynch.
Scum doesn't want me dead at night because they can get me lynched instead! I'm an easy lynch.
Use your brain if you're actually town.
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And no, that is NOT what Jackal said. Jackal said give me the ring and then lynch me, then said it would be good if the ring was out of the game (as in the ring is gone when the bearer is killed)
So...reading comprehension fail much?
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unless I'm dumb and misread Jackal's post, then I apologize. Jackal should clarify if that's not actually what he said since, if that's not what he said we're probably cycling through 3 townies as the top lynch candidates
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On September 19 2011 03:40 Pyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 03:19 Cyber_Cheese wrote:I think WBG is currently someone we want to keep around till at least day 2. His latest post seems to be far and away better than all his other posts combined + Show Spoiler [I mean this one] +On September 18 2011 16:21 wherebugsgo wrote:I still don't have the ring! What a surprise. The following post is well-reasoned and should be listened to: Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 11:45 kitaman27 wrote:
There are far too many people that are getting away with posting the minimum or nothing at all.
Palmar decides he isn't going to read the thread the first two days
JeeJee goes and randomly votes for himself
Erandorr has 9 pre-game posts and one real post
Archon_Toilet has two posts about flavor
Pyo has nothing of interest
If we don't call people out for doing nothing, scum are going to take advantage and lurk the game away. As I said earlier and as Kitaman has nailed pretty well, we absolutely need to encourage the lurkers to participate. If they don't participate, or we let them get away with stupid shit (more on this later) then we are just hurting ourselves. We cannot let mafia blend in, and we need to identify when someone is trying to blend in, to identify them as scum. I will give you all two examples of this right now: Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 15:32 Archon_Toilet wrote:
So many people yelling at each other, hard to read what is going on.
Many plans and ideas, some good some bad. People who are making plans are probably not mafia, even if bad plans. Sauron would want us to not be planning, yes? All the people talking about ideas are not Mafia we need to look at the others. All the guys talking lots lik bugs, TranceStorm etc are probably fine just giving bad ideas.
We should kill GGQ. Happy to hide and let everyone yell at each other. He only talk when the arguing has died down and only make one line posts, just trying to make the 5 posts.
He make excuse and sorry about making bad suspicion, promise to come back and say more but never did. Vote igrok when he said there are no good candidates? Then try to direct vote? Add another suspicion on Vain for no reason just muddy the waters.
So wishy-washy too. We should push him into mount doom.
##Push GGQ into the fire Firstly, this guy is saying absolutely nothing with this entire post. He says there are so many people yelling at each other, that it's hard to read what's going on. He insinuates that there is a lot of confusion and noise, yet he adds to this by splitting the vote even further and throwing a shitty vote on a person who so far has not done anything scummy (as far as I can tell.) The worst part is that there are no specifics in this post. To clarify: Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 15:32 Archon_Toilet wrote:
Many plans and ideas, some good some bad.
Many plans and ideas, some good some bad. People who are making plans are probably not mafia, even if bad plans. Sauron would want us to not be planning, yes? All the people talking about ideas are not Mafia we need to look at the others. All the guys talking lots lik bugs, TranceStorm etc are probably fine just giving bad ideas.
wat so, he says there are "many plans and ideas, some good some bad." Way to go sherlock, either the plan is good or it's bad. You've really told us a lot there. What the fuck is that supposed to contribute? What's specifically good about these "good plans"? Who made them? What about the bad plans? The only thing he alludes to is that he thinks people like me and Trance are probably fine and just giving bad ideas. Well, the only idea I've pushed is giving me the ring. Trance is receiving votes, if Archon is scum then it totally makes sense for him to soft defend him here. And "all the guys" talking like us are fine. Whoa, so if someone makes a plan they're autoconfirmed town? Wtf?God this makes no sense whatsoever. Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 15:32 Archon_Toilet wrote:
We should kill GGQ. Happy to hide and let everyone yell at each other. He only talk when the arguing has died down and only make one line posts, just trying to make the 5 posts.
He make excuse and sorry about making bad suspicion, promise to come back and say more but never did. Vote igrok when he said there are no good candidates? Then try to direct vote? Add another suspicion on Vain for no reason just muddy the waters.
So wishy-washy too. We should push him into mount doom.
##Push GGQ into the fire Yeah hey guess what genius, you were lurking until now too, AFTER you were called out on your shitty posting record. I'm pretty sure you're just throwing a random vote out there and feigning analysis so you don't get a shitstorm for not posting and not contributing anything. This isn't even a real vote! Our last example is this: Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 15:48 Pyo wrote:
At this point I'm gonna vote for wherebugsgo.
I feel like 3rd parties tend to be more harmful to town than scum and at the very least he hasn't been particularly pro-town. Throw on top of that the potential that he's full of shit or that we might learn something about the game set-up/mechanics, I'm perfectly happy to see him flip.
##vote wherebugsgo Clear lack of reading comprehension/hasn't read the thread. Granted, from what I saw in XLIV his town play is absolutely horrible so I'm not inclined to think he's scum. However, the type of logic he's using is precisely pro-mafia logic. I wouldn't put it past him to be scum, but for now we just need to push more posts out of our friend here Pyo. Specifically, the bolded part is his reason for voting me. In other words, he doesn't think I'm scum. He's voting me because he wants to get information. That's a terrible reason to want to lynch someone. You lynch someone primarily because you think they're scum. You get information NO MATTER WHO YOU LYNCH. This is an example of exactly what I want to see from him, as compared to all the 'ring lol' trolling and if he can keep it up he's realistically a valuable asset for town. Huh? what? you can seriously consider that to the sort of analysis that you expect from people... How in the world does Archon_toilet's nonsensical tunneling of GGQ "blend in"? He also misconstrues what I said in his "analysis" of me... Basically, his big huge long analysis was a load of crap. Factor in the timing of his post (after he started drawing serious attention and was accused of being spammy), it's clear that he felt pressured to give the appearance of "being helpful to town" when in fact he's just continuing to say nonsensical things.
k, this guy is just dumb town, he's not scum.
Can you point out what I'm saying that has been nonsensical?
Can you deny that almost everyone who has voted me has completely ignored everything else going on in the game?
Can you point out what parts of my contribution are feigned?
Did you even read my "big huge long analysis" (hint, it wasn't actually that long)
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Jackal is additionally suspicious because he says he knows how I play yet he seems to have completely forgotten my appearance in Ace's game.
I was hella scummy in Ace's game and I fucking flipped medic. I have my own reasons for WHAT I do, but that doesn't make me scum.
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On September 19 2011 03:48 Pyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 21:25 Jackal58 wrote:
My vote is going on Bugs. Having played a couple of games with him now I know he is aggressive as town. He has not trolled any games to this point. His activity level is the same but his style is different. I don't believe he is mafia but I do believe he is 3rd party with a separate win condition from town. Right now I see two options for him. Lynch him or give him the ring and see what happens.
If he and the ring leave the game that is probably not a bad thing. If we lynch him and the ring stays in the game that's probably not quite as optimal but still not a bad thing. Worse case scenario is they are both still here tomorrow.
If you have the ring give it to Bugs. I can't believe that will end the game. The ring is inherently evil anyways.
Other than Bugs the only person that has struck me as off is Heist. I'm more sure of Bugs not being town than I am of Heist being scum so Bugs is getting my vote. Jackal said "Lynch him OR give him the ring." It's pretty clear what Jackal meant and it wasn't what you claimed it to be. This post: Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 03:36 jcarlsoniv wrote:
You find trance suspicious for coming up with a ring plan (albeit a pretty bad one), and yet you'll ignore the fact that jackal wants to give WBG the ring and lynch WBG... is an example of why doing what WBG is doing is bad. People aren't reading the post to generate their own impressions, they read "analysis posts" and take the "analysis" at face value. That is how scum manipulate town into believing what they want you to... It's how chaoser got away with that bullshit DT claim in XLIV, for example.
First of all, no one knows who has the ring. So, if Jackal is suggesting someone give me the ring and I live, no one knows whether I've been given the ring or not. I could have it right now and you wouldn't know.
Then, lynching me will disperse the ring among all my voters. Jackal is basically advocating both things at once. He's basically suggesting to give me the ring. If I don't die before lynch he's telling everyone to lynch me.
That doesn't consider the possibility that I get the ring and live to lynch. Thus, it's a scum proposal.
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On September 19 2011 05:37 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 03:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
Jackal is additionally suspicious because he says he knows how I play yet he seems to have completely forgotten my appearance in Ace's game.
I was hella scummy in Ace's game and I fucking flipped medic. I have my own reasons for WHAT I do, but that doesn't make me scum. Well sorry for giving you credit as some one I took to be a good player then. You played scummy as town in Aces game and lost it for us. And no I never said we should give you the ring AND lynch you. AND and OR are two completely different words with different meanings. I still stand by my statement. Who ever has the ring give it to him and get him out of here. He's playing for his own reasons. He doesn't give a shit about town. If he doesn't get it lynch him. He's useless.
I did not lose it for town in Ace's game. I fucking protted a vig from a shot, then I role blocked the scum vig.
You relied too much on your DT power which failed you miserably when you weren't willing to listen to reason. I even gave you a massive lead on Palmar, but you blew it because you relied on being a DT too much. Try to think your reads out rather than blame people. You need to listen to reason now. And since you're not reasoning, I suspect you're mafia.
Finally, you haven't read the OP. No one can give me the ring right now! I've trapped all of you shitty posters with this, no one can give me the ring till night. So, fuck off and die.
I missed the fucking vote. God fucking damn.
You guys should've voted Jackal, the case on Erandor was terrible.
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On September 19 2011 08:44 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 08:42 Jackal58 wrote:On September 19 2011 08:40 jcarlsoniv wrote:
How the FUCK did you miss the vote. You've been active this entire time. He voted. He voted for me. -_- I'm derping hard. I don't quite understand why he's mad he missed the vote...Unless I'm missing something.
I was gone for 4 hours, I was out of the house.
I missed a bunch of stuff, and I'm mad because the case on Erandor was stupid as hell and I felt like I could've done something to potentially stop it if I was actually here.
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Can someone summarize why Erandor became the lynch?
I've read most of the posts that were made while I was gone and it's not really making sense to me.
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Did he get lynched solely because of the edit?
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I think the case on Jackal is still pretty strong. We should consider lynching him tomorrow.
Other people who stand out to me are Drazerk and Dr. H.
Palmar still needs to post more, I think I saw a couple by him but he doesn't normally lurk this much.
Sandroba will hopefully have internet tomorrow and will be able to weigh in on all of this. It's not a very good idea to lynch either of them unless they begin showing signs of harboring a scum agenda.
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On September 19 2011 09:52 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 09:18 wherebugsgo wrote:
I think the case on Jackal is still pretty strong. We should consider lynching him tomorrow.
Other people who stand out to me are Drazerk and Dr. H.
Palmar still needs to post more, I think I saw a couple by him but he doesn't normally lurk this much.
Sandroba will hopefully have internet tomorrow and will be able to weigh in on all of this. It's not a very good idea to lynch either of them unless they begin showing signs of harboring a scum agenda. What case? Oh the one where I thought lynching a 3rd party suspect was better than a mislynch? Or the one where I'm supposed to be some sort of mafia messiah and I haven't delivered you to the promised land yet? Mig convinced me to stay btw. <3
The one that involves you telling people to give me the ring day 1 (when it's outlined in the OP that the ring may only pass hands at night) and also to lynch me at the same time, coupled with the fact that there were likely multiple scum on my wagon, meaning if I were to receive the ring (and not die) and then be lynched the ring would be sent to one of my voters. AKA scum.
That case.
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On September 19 2011 10:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 09:57 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 19 2011 09:52 Jackal58 wrote:On September 19 2011 09:18 wherebugsgo wrote:
I think the case on Jackal is still pretty strong. We should consider lynching him tomorrow.
Other people who stand out to me are Drazerk and Dr. H.
Palmar still needs to post more, I think I saw a couple by him but he doesn't normally lurk this much.
Sandroba will hopefully have internet tomorrow and will be able to weigh in on all of this. It's not a very good idea to lynch either of them unless they begin showing signs of harboring a scum agenda. What case? Oh the one where I thought lynching a 3rd party suspect was better than a mislynch? Or the one where I'm supposed to be some sort of mafia messiah and I haven't delivered you to the promised land yet? Mig convinced me to stay btw. <3 The one that involves you telling people to give me the ring day 1 (when it's outlined in the OP that the ring may only pass hands at night) and also to lynch me at the same time, coupled with the fact that there were likely multiple scum on my wagon, meaning if I were to receive the ring (and not die) and then be lynched the ring would be sent to one of my voters. AKA scum. That case. I don't understand. Are you saying scum voted for you because they thought someone would give you the ring so they could get the ring when you got lynched and thats why me and drazerk voted for you
No, I'm saying scum were already voting me.
Jackal tried making up a reason to vote me and it failed pretty hard.
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On September 19 2011 10:35 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 10:12 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 19 2011 10:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On September 19 2011 09:57 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 19 2011 09:52 Jackal58 wrote:On September 19 2011 09:18 wherebugsgo wrote:
I think the case on Jackal is still pretty strong. We should consider lynching him tomorrow.
Other people who stand out to me are Drazerk and Dr. H.
Palmar still needs to post more, I think I saw a couple by him but he doesn't normally lurk this much.
Sandroba will hopefully have internet tomorrow and will be able to weigh in on all of this. It's not a very good idea to lynch either of them unless they begin showing signs of harboring a scum agenda. What case? Oh the one where I thought lynching a 3rd party suspect was better than a mislynch? Or the one where I'm supposed to be some sort of mafia messiah and I haven't delivered you to the promised land yet? Mig convinced me to stay btw. <3 The one that involves you telling people to give me the ring day 1 (when it's outlined in the OP that the ring may only pass hands at night) and also to lynch me at the same time, coupled with the fact that there were likely multiple scum on my wagon, meaning if I were to receive the ring (and not die) and then be lynched the ring would be sent to one of my voters. AKA scum. That case. I don't understand. Are you saying scum voted for you because they thought someone would give you the ring so they could get the ring when you got lynched and thats why me and drazerk voted for you No, I'm saying scum were already voting me. Jackal tried making up a reason to vote me and it failed pretty hard. I just think we're all better off without you and the ring in the game.
Yeah, since giving me the ring definitely takes both of us out, right?
If you truly believed that why did you want me to get lynched?
Not to mention, why didn't you read the OP about the ring being untransferable during the day?
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On September 19 2011 10:34 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 08:45 iGrok wrote:
Ok, lets review. Who of the following are the scummiest?
Palmar - Not doing much so far
Radfield - Has been active. Pulled wagons off GreyMist and WBG, onto Errandor. Suspicious.
Syllogism - Was active early on in Ring discussions.
prplhz - Leaving this until later
kitaman27 - No great analysis, but decent reasons for voting and has worked to pressure
OriginalName - After watching him play in Resurrection, he's playing the same way. Minimum contribution to avoid focus.
Vain - 1 liners except to defend prplhz
Erandorr - somehow appeared on his own vote list?
TranceStorm - I see a connection between TranceStorm and Radfield forming when I filter him. TS often references Radfield's arguements. TS also attacked prplhz early on You tell us iGrok. Who's the scummiest on that list? You seem to have decided not to answer your own question. By the way, I found someone to add to your list: iGrok - suspicious of Drazerk, oops not suspicious of Drazerk anymore. Wants to lynch WBG to see what his role does. Contributes absolutely nothing to the eradorr/prp lynch discussion. Makes a list of a seemingly random segment of playersWho's the scummiest person on your list now?
I like how one of the biggest lynch targets of yesterday, Jackal, is conveniently missing from that list of his.
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On September 19 2011 10:50 Radfield wrote:
Shit, it's the vote list.... that makes so much more sense....
LOL that makes two of us who completely missed that
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On September 19 2011 11:18 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 10:55 Radfield wrote:
Wiggles, despite the fact that I appreciate you pointing out my mistake, and that I chuckled at your chocolate milk comment, that big ol' wall of text contains almost nothing. You're talking about possible scum motivation(wifom) and making connections that are very flimsy. A hundred connections like that could be made at this point in the game.
From what I've read, he's saying that mafia were trying to bandwagon him to get the ring, and Jackal delivered the plan. (I asked him to clarify if this is wrong) From this, he extrapolates that Jackal is mafia, and the people voting for him are mafia.
And I told you that assessment is wrong.
Mafia were already voting for me. Jackal voted me, and part of his vote post included giving me the ring.
Thus, I concluded that they could force a mislynch and at the same time get the ring distributed among the voters, a majority of whom were probably mafia.
It wasn't premeditated, I just think Jackal scum slipped.
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the scumslip being that no one can give me the ring, if someone gave me the ring and I left the game there's no reason to vote me, and if someone gave me the ring and I was still in the game then lynching me would throw a monkey wrench into the mix by distributing the ring amongst the voters.
Pro-mafia plan ftw.
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