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On September 22 2011 04:48 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 04:40 supersoft wrote:On September 22 2011 04:33 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On September 22 2011 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2011 04:28 chaoser wrote:On September 22 2011 04:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can you confirm 100% iGrok is not mafia? You are blue fishing so fucking hard right now Yeah, sorry about that. I meant to say: What makes you and Cyber_Cheese think iGrok would ally town over mafia? Town is the majority, his kill would end the game faster if it were to hit a mafia, and that brings his victory closer as well as ours. That's wrong. We are the majority, but mafia has a much higher killpotential. They only lost DrH. We lost many more people. Right now, the scumteam is in an advanteogus position. Only because we seem to be concerning ourselves with the third parties, don't forget the scum kp usually goes down as they die, and we can try and find one today to kill. If iGrok's kill isn't on the person we want it on, we lynch him tomorrow and he loses. We don't have to hand over the ring and seal the deal he proposed, he's going to value his survival and eventual victory more than he will value the spite of wasting his kp on one of us.
You are kinda right there, but as i see it, i'd give iGrok 0% chance of flipping town, 80% 3rd party, and 20% mafia.
That's the best case i got, and i dont think i can come up with anything better until final votecount. That's why iGrok needs to come back from the shadows and try to say at least something, becouse every second i'm more convinced that he is actually mafia and about to earn a free pass for many days.
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On September 22 2011 04:56 TranceStorm wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 04:48 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On September 22 2011 04:40 supersoft wrote:On September 22 2011 04:33 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On September 22 2011 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2011 04:28 chaoser wrote:On September 22 2011 04:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can you confirm 100% iGrok is not mafia? You are blue fishing so fucking hard right now Yeah, sorry about that. I meant to say: What makes you and Cyber_Cheese think iGrok would ally town over mafia? Town is the majority, his kill would end the game faster if it were to hit a mafia, and that brings his victory closer as well as ours. That's wrong. We are the majority, but mafia has a much higher killpotential. They only lost DrH. We lost many more people. Right now, the scumteam is in an advanteogus position. Only because we seem to be concerning ourselves with the third parties, don't forget the scum kp usually goes down as they die, and we can try and find one today to kill. If iGrok's kill isn't on the person we want it on, we lynch him tomorrow and he loses. We don't have to hand over the ring and seal the deal he proposed, he's going to value his survival and eventual victory more than he will value the spite of wasting his kp on one of us. There's a slight problem with this scenario. The issue is that if iGrok's kill goes off on the wrong target, then lynching him would waste a valuable lynch that would be used for another target. (Much like how lynching him now would waste a potential lynch - the difference is that he can't act in any way in the future). iGrok's advantage to the town is that he can search for two very specific targets and has a single night kill which could be used in any way, but besides that he becomes quite useless.
How do you know there are two targets he could search? He stated himself he's not sure if Radagast even is in the game.
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And iGrok, in your big post u stated Sandroba has acted scummy. Why is that?
Oh and also, ##Unvote iGrok
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On September 22 2011 20:25 syllogism wrote:
Sandroba why are you not putting any effort into the game? Is it because you are scum/third party? Why did you flip flop about GGQ without stating your reasons? You wanted to keep the lynch between igrok and jackal and then suddenly wanted igrok to shoot GGQ?
Well who do you think he should shoot within these three? The dead guy? Himself? Actually my opinion is that he should shoot himself.
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On September 23 2011 00:59 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 00:52 Palmar wrote:
I said I don't think you're a dumbass bro.
I think you're actually good enough to understand the situation, but you're just choosing not to because unfortunately you rolled scum again. Actually I know you're one of the best players in this game, so anything silly you do paints you red like the ocean. Right, and I'm saying you overestimate my abilities. I'm not foolishness and I'm not radfield. They're both WAY better players than I am. I'd say I'm above average at most. The only game I did super well in was the one where I fake claimed DT as Vet and even then that was a crapshoot. I made a bunch of wrong reads in the prot game (really only catching GM and Jackal and the GM one was more based on meta since I had just played a PM game with him where I talked to him the whole game on skype) and aside from that I'm not a scum catching machine (you can look at my long history of games, I only started getting "good" recently.) I can see that Drazerk and iGrok are connected, clearly. And I can also entertain the thought that they are both mafia, but in that case this whole balrog/medic protect/cleave thing is probably pre-planned in which case all three of them (drazerk, igrok, and syllogism) are mafia.
For the last paragraph. Yeah, me too. Drazerk started to give out medic hints AFTER iGrok was shot by syllo. My opinion is, that Drazerk - iGrok are connected somehow, either Drazerk is town medic who made a pretty bad call, or he's lying, or he's mafia medic (both of the last 2 need to iGrok flip mafia), so it's impossible to tell at this point for sure.
I'd like to add Radfield to this scenario, becouse of this quote from him:
Here's the thing, if iGrok was confirmed Third Party, we would absolutely NOT be lynching him. Thing is, this is a totally bullshit claim, and nothing stacks up in that claim.
One thing is for certain, iGrok is certainly not town as no townie would ever make that claim. If no one is willing to back me on Jackal(or Pyo) then we should bring the hammer down on iGrok.
Either he was lying about knowing the RB thing (cos i really thought his plan was good), or then he just made a bad call. What makes me suspicious is that he himself started the final wagon against Jackal.
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Radfield why were you so sure iGrok actually is 3rd party just before the lynch and pushed it, but not when he claimed? And arn't you sure anymore? Why?
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* I meant pushed Jackal lynch. Why didn't you push Palmar instead?
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Also i still like to hear these players responses, why was Errandor "lying";
TS
chaoser
supersoft
Becouse he clearly wasn't. If you don't agree with me, please explain to me why he was lying.
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On September 23 2011 01:54 Palmar wrote:
listen to this newbie, he's using at least twice as much brainpower as the rest of you guys.
I also would like you to state more precisely why do you think your scumlist is so scummy. Becouse I can't understand it, i'm noob but not stupid. So i need to trust my own judgement, and when i'm clearly inexperienced, i make bad calls based on more experienced players. And i hate myself for that :D
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On September 23 2011 02:09 syllogism wrote:
That makes sense actually
What makes sense? Drazerk?
And do you care to answer my question i stated before?
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On September 23 2011 01:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also i still like to hear these players responses, why was Errandor "lying";
TS
chaoser
supersoft
Becouse he clearly wasn't. If you don't agree with me, please explain to me why he was lying.
And i'd like to add Drazerk to that list.
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On September 22 2011 03:25 Drazerk wrote:
Right lets kill two birds with one stone shall we?
I am a medic
I protected iGrok and that's how he survived Syllo's cleave.
I got a notification about iGrok getting hit so we can confirm Syllo is a day vigi with some extra powers on top.
Now can we vote for someone more productive?
Why do you think syllo as a day vigi has some "extra powers on top"?
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On September 23 2011 02:21 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 02:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 22 2011 03:25 Drazerk wrote:
Right lets kill two birds with one stone shall we?
I am a medic
I protected iGrok and that's how he survived Syllo's cleave.
I got a notification about iGrok getting hit so we can confirm Syllo is a day vigi with some extra powers on top.
Now can we vote for someone more productive? Why do you think syllo as a day vigi has some "extra powers on top"? Because I didn't protect him and he managed to survive a hit.
So either way the whole thing is planned and you all are mafia (as chaoser stated).
Or there is another townmedic (doesn't clear out option 1).
Or you just made a pretty bad call as town medic and syllo is mafia.
Feel free to give some more possibilities.
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On September 23 2011 02:37 GreYMisT wrote:
EBWOP to clarify, Im saying it is uncharacteristic of mafia to create such an obvious connection for us to follow to a lynch.
I think it's possible. If they buy iGrok the time he needs, they win. It's a brave strat, but definetly doable i guess.
I'm not saying it's sure, but it's worth consideration.
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PR on a medic? How the fuck that makes sense?
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Actually, TS, i find u more scum than supersoft.
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and btw, radfield was obviously maf.
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if you dont c it, you dont c anything..
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