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Sure is empty in here. | ||
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On September 21 2011 10:32 OriginalName wrote: Why is it that whenever im actually around the thread basically dies? Do you guys hate me that much? Why are you never around when other people are! >: O | ||
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On September 21 2011 10:37 kitaman27 wrote: Are you ever going to post something or are you going to lurk the entire day away? Yeah I am. Just finishing it up now actually | ||
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On September 21 2011 10:45 iGrok wrote: Yeah I am. Just finishing it up now actually I should clarify that that means sometime in the next hour most likely | ||
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On September 21 2011 05:07 syllogism wrote: I'm off, iGrok you better have defended yourself by the time I come back tomorrow. Perhaps even claim. I've been thinking about this. And I think it is, in fact, time for me to claim. So, as my meta, this is my incredibly huge post. Ok, I've come under a lot of fire lately for lurking. And it's true, I have been. But trying to use meta arguments (other than lack of a monster post, which is never on D1 anyways) on me is stupid - I dare you to find two games in which I've played similar styles as similar roles. And in this game, I'm a role I've never been before. I am the Balrog. I am a Survivor. I have a number of powers, but I'll start with my wincon: I win when any faction wins and Gandalf is dead. So, the second part of my wincon has been conveniently fulfilled. Gandalf probably wasn't supposed to die this early - I've got a few powers that would have aided me in my quest for Gandalf.
But that only helps me kill Gandalf. I still need to survive. Fortunately, I have a passive power:
I'll take a quick breather to let you all think about everything I've just said. When you're ready, scroll down. It's time for my favorite! Setup Analysis time! In a closed setup, its difficult - but as a 3rd party role, and with all the recent flips, I think I can figure a few things out. I'll start with my role, as it is the most complicated. Survivors suck. You have to somehow survive to endgame, against a mafia team who doesn't know not to kill you. So you have to be as non-threatening as possible, while avoiding lynch. This leads you to lurk hardcore. This is no fun. But my role is a little different. I have a goal, and tools at my disposal. And I think I've figured out how Curu intended for Balrog to be played - Investigate people, when you find a Maia, use the thread to figure out what kind. Then get them lynched. Use the oneshot to get the ring once it pops up somewhere, and then go into heavy pro-town action to win the game. With the death of Gandalf though, I can change things up a bit. After all, it's in my best interest to survive. And for me, the choice seems clear: Get the ring. With this in mind, I have a proposal for the town. 2 Maia have died (Gandalf and Sauron). One, maybe two are left. Saruman definitely, lets be honest he's going to be in here. He's kind of a big deal in LotR. Radagast on the other hand...+ Show Spoiler + If he's in the game, he's probably a miller or traitor with some sort of bonus power. He was a good guy who aided Saruman in Lotr lore. He's pretty obscure though, so idk if he's in the game. Anyways, my proposal - give me the ring, and I'll trade you an unblockable KP, Saruman checks, and I'll actually contribute useful analysis. Who decides on the KP? Well, if you're a DT I'll give it to you - when you check me you'll get my role PM, If you want to use my power, post the first word in the name of my Checking ability in one of your posts. I'll use it on the next name that appears in your post. Also, I'll check whoever got the second-most votes each night to see if they are Saruman or Radagast. Why should you trust me? Because this forces me to act pro-town. I'm basically saying, I'm 3rd party but with your help I can be a Bullet-proof Vigilante. Think about that. If I get the ring, I can still be lynched - so if I don't hold up my end, you can lynch me. So thats the deal. I want to win. Give me the ring, and I hunt the other White Wizard, while scumhunting the best I can. As a sign of good faith, I'll include an analysis later on, and I'll tell you that Radfield is neither Saruman nor Radagast (I thought he might be Gandalf). On to the rest of the analysis, what little I can do. Take it or leave it, but I've been known to perfectly guess setups before. I won't attempt to do so, but lets see... First, look at Gandalf's Powers. He's called a Jack of all Trades, but he's not actually that strong. He has 4 powers, but he can't even combine them. Gandalf is supposed to be the strongest damn being in the lotr universe. But he's a purely information role. In contrast, Sauron's Role: He, too, has investigative powers. He also has an unblockable kill, AND is godfather. Sauron just seems like a more powerful role than Gandalf. But what can we take from this? Mafia seem to be pretty heavily loaded. Supporting this are the existence of a Jailkeeper and Messenger - Messengers are awesome for confirming players, and Jailkeepers are excellent on offense or defense against mafia. So, with heavily loaded mafia AND at least one 3rd party, Town has to have some serious firepower and/or protection. I expect Aragorn to have KP (Curu if you make him and Legolas Trackers I will not forgive you - and if GIMLI doesn't have kp... They're the fucking heroes!) I don't forsee there being more than two medics (Eowyn and Galadriel are my guesses), but combined with a Jailkeeper and a vet or two we're starting to talk about some high-power games. My final note about setup: Pippin (Peregrin Took). The existence of pm-oriented roles is cool, and I highly doubt there's just one. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if Merry was a clone of Pippin's role. So now its time for some sample analysis. And my focus today is Palmar. On September 18 2011 08:24 Palmar wrote: hey guys, I'm in a good mood so I'm not gonna ruin it by reading the thread. See you tomorrow This was his first post. Nothing scummy here, but it sets the mood for everything else he posts. Now, here's a list of his opinions since then. Radfield, WBG, Errandor prplhz DrH Radfield, himself, Sandroba, Pyo Pause. Next post. On September 20 2011 19:05 Palmar wrote: In any case, if you're lying, you should consider giving it away. btw, Sandroba is almost definitely town, but only if he takes his vote off me. I'm basically confirmed town from my exchanges with DrH, but only people like sandroba/syllo etc will see it. We need to keep an eye on syllo... yarly. chaoser is also very likely town. I don't like the smell of iGrok and Kita... Here, minimal interaction with DrH is played off as enough to auto-confirm him. This post sets off alarm bells in my head. Palmar contributed 4 posts before DrH died, 2 of which were "Herp I'm not reading the thread" (He was obviously reading the thread). Its his fourth post that interests me: "DrH is giving me really bad vibes." At the time, it looked like just another throwaway post. But post DrH's death, this post looks more like DrH new he was going to be modkilled and Palmar jumped out early to get a townie point. For the rest of the game, two things are going on. He puts faith in Radfield, and he continues to stress Sandroba town. (yes theres other shit but those're the important parts) Palmar already feels scummy. So lets continue on that assumption, and introduce possibilities. 1)Radfield and Sandroba are both town. If this is true, then Palmar is trying to gain town cred when they flip. With sandroba acting scummy and a possible lynch, and Radfield a good mafia target, thats two points for him. Fits with calling DrH scum. 2)Radfield is town, Sandroba is scum. This is using Radfield's town cred to make Sandroba look better. Even those who don't trust Palmar will subliminally put them on closer levels. If sandroba didn't look so damn scummy, it might work. 3)Radfield is scum, Sandroba is town. I just... don't see this as possible. 4)Both are scum. I don't know what this would mean actually Alright guys, well you've heard me out. Give me the ring, and I'll start working a hell of a lot harder this game, hunt down Saruman, and give a DT an unblockable shot. Otherwise, I'll basically keep doing what I've done so far. Your move. | ||
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On September 21 2011 11:40 GreYMisT wrote: I am inclined to believe this claim. It explains your behavior and it simply makes no sense for mafia to claim this when they have only lost one and we have lost about 5 people. One problem with your plan is the quoted portion above. You are assuming that DTs get to see the role PM of the person they check. What if they only are alignment DTs or something else? What do you suggest they do then? Ehhh... I was thinking of Gandalf's ability. I don't know what they'd do. I'm open to suggestions, but I won't give it away to anyone I have any suspicions of without some form of proof. | ||
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On September 21 2011 11:49 GreYMisT wrote: So unless a power like gandalf's surfaces again, we need to wait for a DT to roleclaim in thread before we can act with your power? No. If a good enough case is made by someone I believe to be town, I'll use it then. But only a PM DT can make me use it no matter what. I'm not passing it off to popular vote because that's too easy to manipulate. | ||
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On September 21 2011 11:53 kitaman27 wrote: Huh? What makes you think there is a pm dt in this game? ...because gandalf was one. And my safe claim was Celeborn, Lord of Lothlórien | ||
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On September 21 2011 12:01 heist wrote: Like Trancestorm said, I seriously doubt you'll be able to hold onto the ring. It will most likely fall into mafia hands should we give it to you. How about you help us without the conditions? That does nothing for me then. I'll contribute a bit, but unless I get the ring I'm not going to piss off the mafia. | ||
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On September 21 2011 14:09 syllogism wrote: Also I've a hard time believing that there is a survivor with an unblockable night kill or are you saying it only works on gandalf? As far as I know it works on everyone. Its a oneshot. Since I have to kill Gandalf, it makes sense. | ||
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On September 21 2011 14:18 syllogism wrote: What is your kill flavor Am I allowed to copy and paste parts of my PM? | ||
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On September 21 2011 14:29 sandroba wrote: And my proposition to you is the following: You shoot GGQ in the face and we don't lynch you. Make a case and earn some trust, and then I'll listen to you. Am I allowed to post my entire role pm text? | ||
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On September 21 2011 14:39 syllogism wrote: igrok it sure is taking long to post that pm, you are dangerously close to being dead Just making sure I won't be modkilled. Since Mig's answers break rule 6. | ||
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I'd better not fucking get modkilled for this... | ||
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On September 21 2011 14:46 syllogism wrote: well iGrok I don't think I can allow Evil to exist in Middle Earth ##cleave iGrok I'm going to be extremely displeased with the setup if a clearly evil creature flips neutral when our win con says to purge all evil This had better be a fucking joke. | ||
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It'd be the same as having, like, Smaug or Shelob in the game. | ||
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