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On September 08 2011 07:53 Forumite wrote: Fishing for pony fanservice? Awww yeah. | ||
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##vote Sevryn Changing meta | ||
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On September 12 2011 10:44 GreYMisT wrote: Mine is Doctor whooves(see below quote) but as far as main characters go, Rainbow dash is my favorite Mine too ![]() <3 | ||
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On September 13 2011 02:12 Forumite wrote: Lucidity, dreamflower and wherebugsgo are the only ones I haven´t played a game with (WBG died immediately after joining as a replacement, so he doesn´t count). Have you played a lot of Mafia? Who, me? I've played like 3 games. | ||
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On September 13 2011 10:58 chaos13 wrote: So in other words you think he warrants a check because he has an equally good chance at being mafia as any other random person selected from the player list? lol this exchange is pretty funny, especially when you put it like that. Chaos do you think Forumite is mafia? | ||
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On September 13 2011 10:13 Forumite wrote: Personally, I don´t want to lynch lurkers or Jackal. Lynching Jackal for the fun of it is a mistake. Checking the last games, he´s often dead after the second night, mostly after he rolls Town and gets lynched anyway. He could be scum (Like in the CH game ![]() I think he's talking about this paragraph right here. You're acting really wishy washy on Jackal. First you say you don't want to lynch lurkers or Jackal, then you say that he could be scum, but that you don't want to lynch him until he's shown some real scumtells. Then you say he warrants a cop check. If he hasn't shown any scum tells yet why would he warrant a cop check? | ||
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I disagree, just reread Forumite's post. He wants a cop to check Jackal before we have any information. That just sounds like bad advice. On September 13 2011 11:22 Forumite wrote: Of course we don´t want him to claim immediately, but he can breadcrumb, or wait a few days and claim when there´s more info. If Jackal´s scum, then we know when the DT claims or dies, and can lynch then. The only way this would not work is if Jackal is Scum AND there is no DT, or if the DT ignore this plan and checks someone else. Early breadcrumbing is advantageous to mafia. In XLIV I breadcrumbed and just railed all over mafia for one day before getting shot. IMO it's just because we don't have the ability to identify power roles as quickly as mafia. They have more information than we do, so they can narrow down the possibilities more quickly. Putting potential targets out there before we have any reasonable discussion is just asking to get set up. I mean, if you're telling DTs to check Jackal, assuming we have a DT, what's stopping a potential framer from just targetting him that night? It's better for them to decide for themselves who to target rather than tell them how to play their own role. This is my opinion, at least, as IMO it prevents WIFOM situations and false reads. | ||
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I have to agree with you on that, finding breadcrumbs for me is really difficult. I think sometimes people just need to be obvious about things if they're about to die (this is something I learned from my regrets upon dying both in XLIV and in cosmic) | ||
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Most of the story from the first 2 episodes is actually in there lol | ||
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I don't think this is a good idea. You can't tell whether a person is mafia or not just based on the fact that they're lurking. I would agree that we should pressure them, since lurking adds to inactivity and is detrimental to the town atmosphere, but I don't believe I've played a game yet when half the lurkers WEREN'T townies. I'll be back in a couple hours after class to put my thoughts out there. | ||
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On September 14 2011 01:37 Sevryn wrote: That gets rid of the pressure. "O hey im going to vote for you now but its not for real so dont worry you can keep lurking." yeah no shit, this genius already managed that one: On September 14 2011 00:33 Nisani201 wrote: We don't intend to lynch the lurkers. We plan to pressure them. This is very true. Listen to the voice of reason, AKA greymist: On September 14 2011 01:10 GreYMisT wrote: Lurking is obviously pretty bad for the town, as is being inactive. I feel, however, that we need to go after real targets as a priority even on day 1. Scum can use this lynch inactives policy to shunt lynches away from themselves, and we don't want that to bite us later on. Lynching real targets before lurkers will also give us more information. I will post some analysis when I am out of bio lab in about 3 hours. Lurking is a null tell, IMO. If we pursue null tells vigorously through policy lynches of lurkers we're gonna get screwed hard when those lurkers pop town. This is exactly what has ruined some games for us that I've played in. Correct lynches rely on townies establishing themselves as town early on (as in Resurrection) and then pursuing behavioral clues in order to find mafia. We HAVE to lynch mafia based on contradictions and behavior. If behavior lines up with activity and voting patterns, great! If not, then we can't use activity or a lack thereof as a reason to lynch someone. It's just not reliable. On September 14 2011 01:44 Jackal58 wrote: I think lynching them is an excellent idea. I'm also realistic and understand it never fucking happens. And then in 3 days when all the active players are dead we get to listen to you cry, whine and complain about a game full of lurkers. But it's all good man. I plan on being dead by then anyways. wtf is this If active players are making sense then town needs to listen to them, medics need to prot them, etc. etc. If active players are contradicting themselves and being wishy washy then we need to lynch them. Killing lurkers is the job of the vigilantes; they can more clearly determine who is scummy out of a pool of lurkers without having to deal with the shitfest of information that is influenced by both mafia and dumb townies. If we lynch lurkers then we are susceptible to be influenced heavily by scum, and that is EXACTLY what we do not want. On September 14 2011 02:23 dreamflower wrote: Ah, true. Yes, I was referring to lurkers when I said inactives. My apologies. A lot of my thinking still dates back to the olden days before inactivity modkills or the Ban List, so please excuse me if I phrase things oddly like that. I also agree about OriginalName, whom I'm a little annoyed about not noticing myself. I also noticed that DroneAllDay's statement of Mafia newness came very soon after he signed up and long before roles were sent out, so that pretty much rules out his being a Mafia trying to masquerade as a newbie. My mistake there. OriginalName's one contribution to the thread after the Day post has been to call Forumite's post "a huge pile of fluff," but after that he hasn't said anything else at all. That does look more like lurking than outright inactivity. . Dreamflower are you an oldtimer? ![]() ON's mafia play is really easy to spot, IMO. By his vote post alone I knew he was scum in Resurrection. Until that point, like we see now, he was just another lurker. Finally, I have to disagree about this: On September 14 2011 02:23 dreamflower wrote: To add my own opinion on the merits of lynching lurkers, I think it is a good idea early on, when we don't have much information to work with. I agree that lynching lurkers doesn't yield much information afterward, but I don't think going after "real" targets always does either. The people who argue for a townie to be lynched or vote for their lynch are not necessarily Mafia themselves. So, I don't think either approach can give us much in the way of useful information We gain next to nothing by lynching a lurker, unless of course that lurker happens to be mafia. Lurkers, by definition, haven't contributed anything. Thus, except in exceptional circumstances, we can't really link them to anyone else, and we can't even be sure about their flip until they die. It's just an unreliable scumhunting method IMO. With your last sentence you can easily replace "townie" with "lurker". What happens when the townie is also a lurker? Then, what's up with you concluding that neither approach can give us much useful information? If you think neither method is good, then wtf do we do? Do we go after behavioral clues, which are easiest to spot among active players, or do we lynch lurkers? I'm not understanding your conclusion, you don't really suggest what we should do. | ||
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On September 14 2011 03:46 tnkted wrote: Yeah, I'm backing off greymyst for now, his defence wasn't convincing but the manner of it has mollified me for now. I'll hop on the originalname bandwagon until he perks his pony little head up. ## Unvote ## Vote OriginalName Also, do these smaller games not have voting threads? Are voting threads going away? This post smells funny to me. | ||
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9.) OriginalName 11.) sinani206 If and only if we don't have a more active, scummy target? | ||
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Also like I said about ON we'll know if he's mafia when he decides to vote. Is drone a smurf or new? | ||
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On September 14 2011 04:46 tnkted wrote: Why would you give the noob some lattitude? This is how they learn: they get lynched d1 as town for lurking after they were pressured. Why would you blatantly hop on a bandwagon after saying your previous target's defense was unconvincing? | ||
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On September 14 2011 04:47 dreamflower wrote: So, yes to the above post. No one right now is jumping out at me as being active and scummy, so I would prefer lynching a lurker this early in the game. One just jumped out to me. He's more mafia than any of those lurkers. Tnkted has contributed a smidgeon more than those 3 (voila they've contributed absolute jack shit) but tnkted has actively lurked. ##vote tnkted I don't like your wishy washiness, scum. | ||
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On September 14 2011 04:59 tnkted wrote: Uh, what? Did you even read my post? And as for contributing jack shit: I posted a small little analysis on Greymyst, he responded to my FoS and I'm satisfied with the way he responded. If you don't think that's enough contribution for day one, too fucking bad. I have a life, you know. Why would you say his defense wasn't convincing then? It's as if you put both things in there just to be safe. Your analysis on Greymist didn't seem genuine to me, that's why I'm jumping all over you now. | ||
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On September 14 2011 11:16 sinani206 wrote: This is a pressure vote, to prompt an answer to my question, "Why lynch a lurker if we have a perfectly good other lynch candidate?" I don't understand why other people can pressure vote me, but I can't pressure vote others. I think it's generally cause your town play is so bad we can't tell the difference between it and real mafia. I mean even right now I can't tell your alignment. I don't like the lynch lurker policy but really I can't fault them for voting you, you're not giving anyone any reason to keep you around. | ||
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On September 14 2011 11:49 Nisani201 wrote: I don't think you should be able to tell anyone's alignment this early in the game. Good luck ever figuring out sinani's alignment. Won't find that out till he flips. | ||
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On September 14 2011 11:58 tnkted wrote: Er, yeah, Curu, we can't lynch him because YOU SAY he will be bad for town atmosphere. I'm not really convinced you know what you're talking about. You were so gungho about teaching Droneallday a "lesson" by getting him lynched day 1, so he would learn that he needs to contribute as town. Sinani is arguably just as bad and yet you have a big problem with pushing for his lynch? Are you scumbuddies? On September 14 2011 04:46 tnkted wrote: Why would you give the noob some lattitude? This is how they learn: they get lynched d1 as town for lurking after they were pressured. Sinani doesn't seem to have learned yet that we don't like his lurking/anti-town nill contribution style, yet you don't seem to care for policy lynching him. So, Mr. Tnkted, why so flip-floppy? | ||
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On September 14 2011 10:30 sinani206 wrote: ##Vote: dreamflower for even bringing up the subject of lynching a lurker. | ||
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On September 14 2011 13:32 Curu wrote: WBG you seem to agree with me on sinani (you were in that game too) but how come your vote never moved? I agree that sinani is playing really poorly but I never agreed that he was the best lynch. I'm not gonna vote sinani cause I don't think we should lynch him today. How god damn hard is it for you morons to understand this? Instead, I think we should lynch tnkted. Just look at how fast the bandwagon on sinani piled up. You guys don't think that's strange? Unless scum is all out bussing him day 1 I think we ought to leave sinani be until we're more certain of his alignment. On September 15 2011 02:52 Nisani201 wrote: I am going to Unvote: Curu. I feel like we were all just arguing while scum watched and laughed. IMO there would have been more people in the conversation if one of us were scum. I will move my vote over to wherebugsgo, because he was perfectly active until we started arguing. He has posted no opinions on it because he doesn't feel the need to; he can afford for any of us to die. He simply comments on the same things that Curu has been bringing up, which is "Sinani played horribly in Ace's game, so we should lynch him." ##Vote: wherebugsgo what in the hell is this? There is only one thing I dislike more than wishy washiness, and that is lying. You sir, are a liar. I never said I wanted to lynch Sinani. I said I can understand why people would want to lynch him, but I never said we should lynch him. If I thought we should lynch him I would've voted him. Ever get that through your dumb head, Nisani? Honestly, until reading this post I thought you were just a dumb townie but now I smell that you could possibly have an agenda. Townies might grasp at straws but they certainly wouldn't fabricate things or put words in other people's mouths. Other gems of Nisani's I've found: On September 15 2011 00:57 Nisani201 wrote: Also, I might not be as active during this portion of day becauSBe Minecraft 1.8 is out, and I will probably have a lot of homework. You had a problem with me being inactive (BECAUSE I WAS SLEEPING) but you are planning on being less active during the most important part of the day? The day ends in like 3 hours. Also, you even said you wanted to hear from Forumite but you knew he is in another time zone and that's why you knew he wouldn't respond till later. So why did it never cross your mind that I could be sleeping as well? Nice double standards, scum. On September 15 2011 07:13 Nisani201 wrote: Majority lynch is weird. I don't like it. However, GreYMisT is right, I shouldn't be voting for an outlier. ##Unvote ##Vote: Curu If anyone else is interested in lynching wherebugsgo, just post it here, and maybe I can get some more votes on him. "oh I seem to have been caught for my shitty reasoning. Time to jump back on a bandwagon on a person I just said was town one post ago!" On September 14 2011 13:24 Nisani201 wrote: I already stated in the thread that I only intended to lynch lurkers if they ended up not posting. (however I will admit that this was poorly thought out, because he would be eligible for modkill anyways). I prefered voting for DroneAllDay rather than Sinani because Sinani has not done anything scummy. The case against Forumite is not good enough to warrant a vote. And then you come around, calling everyone scum, and make yourself the perfect target for my vote. EZ. He admits that he did not think about his vote. I repeat, Nisani201 DID NOT THINK ABOUT HIS VOTE. So Nisani, you're willing to arbitrarily throw around votes and cause havoc (like the shit town atmosphere we have right now) just on the basis of wanting to lynch lurkers for not posting? That's a great way to blend in, isn't it? Lynch the guy who can't respond to you cause he's inactive. That way there's no backlash for your shitty reasoning. Yet, when you got called out on it you soft-defended sinani ("sinani has not done anything scummy") and the only other case is on Forumite. Who, I'm guessing is town, since you dismissed him so easily. There's only two options for you: 1.) You rolled town, yet you have yet to use your brain and are just acting immensely thick. 2.) You're scum, trying to mislead others about what I said to try to fabricate a case on me, and are trying really hard to blend in. I'm leaning toward #2 right now. With all of this, however, I have more things to point out. Our best lynch today, as I said earlier, is tnkted. I will explain further: On September 14 2011 22:04 tnkted wrote: Fair enough, You certainly haven't been lurking. ##Unvote My thoughts on DroneAllDay: I don't think he's posted since the day started, which means he's probably going to get modkilled. Perhaps he hasn't checked his pms in awhile? Either way, I think he's going to get himself dead without anybody's help (@Dreamflower: This is one of the main reasons NOT to lynch lurkers; they tend to get themselves modkilled anyway and we waste a lynch). My thoughts on lucidity: his post analyzing dreamflower was extremely interesting because it was well done. I don't know if I agree with his conclusions, but his method was very effective: It paraphrased the important aspects of dreamflower's post, and interpreted them in order to understand what dreamflower was really talking about. THIS is a good way to find scum. Now, why he chose dreamflower and nobody else is kind of interesting; Dreamflowers scumhunting abilities are so legendary (for me anyway) that I have a hard time believing she intended to come across as scummy as she did. I want to hear her response before I vote for her. Also interesting to note is that lucidity didn't actually vote her himself; he's also waiting for a response. For what it's worth, right now dreamflower is my #1 vote but I'll abstain until she shows up to defend herself. Eh, what the hell. I can always change it later. ##Vote: Dreamflower I have no self control. Now, to deal with some mindless accusations: Frankly, this is a complete nonsense post. "Tnkted makes a good point about forumite not being scum, which convinced me, but later, i changed my mind and now I think he's scum too!" WHY did you change your mind when what I said made sense to you? Go find me evidence where he stopped acting like an annoyed townie and more like a frightened scum, and I'll consider switching to you. Please post a case against me instead of just throwing out soft foses. You think people don't notice when you do this? What? What kind of reasoning is this? Tnkted is voting dreamflower not because dreamflower made contradictions, not because dreamflower seems to be pushing an agenda, and not because dreamflower appears scummy to him but because dreamflower appears scummy to LUCIDITY. This is the textbook definition of sheeping. Tnkted contributed absolutely nothing in this entire post except a massive sheep vote of Dreamflower by following Lucidity blindly. You all need to seriously consider tnkted as a lynch today. Finally, there are a few other players who I found made interesting remarks today, and who I think we should keep an eye on. Sinani and Curu for obvious reasons, but I have an inkling at least one of them is town. Chaos I never have a proper read on, he could be anything, but his reasoning as always has been fairly bad. For example, his forumite vote post in which he considers tnkted to be scum but doesn't actually say why. Let's keep him in mind. + Show Spoiler + lol I still <3 you chaos In summary: Lynchlist: tnkted Watchlist: Nisani201, sinani206, Curu, chaos13 worthy of a vig shot to the face: tnkted, nisani Nisani is scummy to me, but as of right now there's no way to tell whether he's just a retarded townie or if he's mafia with an agenda. I lean mafia, but lynching him today is not the best option. Vigging him might be good, though. Tnkted is our best lynch. Filter him and look at how he blends in, look at his sheeping of Lucidity, and look at his contradiction with respect to the lurker lynch policy and Droneallday. All of these things line up with a scum agenda IMO. None of these things make sense from a pro-town mindset. I'll be around for the next 5-8 hours, so I hope to see people involved so that we can make a proper lynch. | ||
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On September 15 2011 08:10 Jackal58 wrote: Dreamflower is the only person that has made any sense in this game yet. ##UNVOTE: Chaos13 ##VOTE: sinani206 good point, cause this post you made didn't really prove that you're making sense either. | ||
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On September 15 2011 08:40 Lucidity wrote: Can everypony stop with the name calling? There's no need to be rude. I think tnkted is a great choice, but is his lynch a realistic possibility? I won't be here for the lynch so I feel safer leaving my vote on sinani. WBG: In what world could sinani and Curu both be scum? I didn't say I thought both of them are scum. I just worded my thoughts badly. Finally, there are a few other players who I found made interesting remarks today, and who I think we should keep an eye on. Sinani and Curu for obvious reasons, but I have an inkling at least one of them is town. I think at least one of them is town, but I'm actually leaning toward both of them being town. The reason I say we keep an eye on them is that they've created a huge mess today and it would be stupid to dismiss them both. My best guess is that it's two townies butting heads, with extra influence from scum (i.e. Nisani). Curu's clearly mad over what happened in Ace's game (for which is completely understandable IMO, sinani went total derp and screwed us) and in this game it doesn't seem like sinani has really changed at all. Nisani's play throws a wrench in there because I lean scum on him and he was heavily involved in that business. On September 15 2011 08:47 Forumite wrote: When is the deadline? WBG, I understand that tnkted is a likely scum, but he won´t be lynched today. Your vote is wasted on tnkted, or worse, the reason we get a no-lynch. I'm prepared to switch my vote but I really don't think sinani is the best lynch. It looks like he has the best chance of getting lynched though. I'll be here to switch my vote as necessary. | ||
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On September 15 2011 08:55 Jackal58 wrote: Sinani and Nisani are linked at the hip. You have both of them on your watch list. We have 2 or a little more than hours left. We are currently headed towards a non lynch. And you want to switch it? And if you and Curu continue to call every swinging dick in the game names with every post I'm gonna opt out of every game you guys join. If you get this emotionally vested into a text based forum game I would suggest some counseling. sorry, I am at least just frustrated with (what I feel) is a strong dose of town incompetence lately. In Ace's game I felt that no one was thinking straight and here too I think we've already started out really badly. I also don't think Sinani and Nisani are linked. There is nothing to suggest that any of those 3 (curu, nisani, nor sinani) are linked unless all three are scum. They're on my watchlist because any 3 of them could be scum, and there's no real way to tell which ones actually are (or if any of them are) If sinani flips scum the possibility of all 3 of them being scum would exist, but if he flips town anything goes. There's no way to tell IMO. | ||
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I think we should evaluate each of the three like we would any other player, on their own merits. If sinani becomes the lynch today we'll find out enough information to determine whether we should try pursuing a link or not. Think about it, if sinani flips town I don't think we'll really gain anything with respect to those other two. | ||
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On September 15 2011 08:47 Forumite wrote: When is the deadline? WBG, I understand that tnkted is a likely scum, but he won´t be lynched today. Your vote is wasted on tnkted, or worse, the reason we get a no-lynch. Oops, I just noticed we only have 6 votes on Sinani. I thought we had 7. ##unvote tnkted ##vote sinani206 I've kept my vote on tnkted because I don't think sinani would be bandwagoned so fast if he was scum. We also still have 2 hours left in the day so I don't think it's a huge deal anyway. | ||
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On September 15 2011 09:13 Jackal58 wrote: No matter how he flips we have info from the voting. Do you mean information about a link to Nisani, or information in general? I'd agree with the second (any lynch will give us some information) but I disagree with the first. | ||
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On September 15 2011 09:32 Forumite wrote: Assuming 3 scum, then there are plenty of players to form a bandwagon without scum. That rarely, if ever, happens. Townies aren't smart enough to consolidate on scum so fast this early in the game. I'll actually be pretty surprised if sinani is scum, I just don't believe a bandwagon on a scum would pile up so fast. I've never seen a scum go down without it being bloody difficult to get even two votes on him. | ||
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On September 15 2011 11:02 sinani206 wrote: lol i think i might win an award for most deaths as town day 1 I think you only win awards for good things, mate. | ||
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On September 15 2011 10:34 DroneAllDay wrote: well damn I decided to read the thread more (I'll be honest, i skimmed cuz i was afraid the vote was coming soon and I figured that i needed to vote then) filtering Curu's posts and not looking at them at 6:30 A.M. well that vote was how you say really REALLY+ Show Spoiler + STUPID CRAZY and wherebugsgo found this which I find interesting and so with that ##UNVOTE ##Vote:Nisani201 lol wtf just noticed. This is actually reallyy shady -_- | ||
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I need a break from this. I'll be back later. + Show Spoiler + although I will admit the number of times sinani switched gender in that post is really hilarious | ||
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I agree that, in hindsight I should've forced a no lynch. Then, instead of you attacking me for casting the hammer Forumite and Jackal would be attacking me for being responsible for a no lynch. I can't please everyone. What would've been best is if I'd convinced you all to lynch tnkted instead but no one was listening to me. | ||
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Dreamflower, my case on tnkted yesterday was basically three things: He's had a few situations in which he's been wishy washy. He backed off Greymist despite saying his defense was unsatisfactory. He sheeped Lucidity's opinion and randomly voted you. He didn't seem to contribute anything. Lastly, he has an air of wanting to blend in to me. I feel like his posts don't actually contribute anything, there is a feeling of feigned contribution. This case on Lucidity is really weak. Lucidity is the same person he said yesterday had great logic on Dreamflower; tnkted even sheeped Lucidity's vote yesterday. | ||
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On September 16 2011 02:09 dreamflower wrote: By the way, wherebugsgo, can you restate your case against tntked again, please? I went back over your posts, and it seemed like you were accusing him of wishy-washiness and sheeping Lucidity at one point. Is that about right? I just want to be clear on why you wanted to lynch him last night. Read these posts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=263036¤tpage=15#284 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=263036¤tpage=15#292 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=263036¤tpage=15#297 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=263036¤tpage=17#339 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=263036¤tpage=23#447 Read and form thoughts for your own, people. I can't do much more than identify what I find to be contradictory and what I think deserves attention. I also urge you all to read Lucidity's response to tntkted's "case" on him. As I said, tnkted case on Lucidity is really weak. Just yesterday he was sheeping Lucidity's vote for his suspicion on dreamflower, and then suddenly today he's against Lucidity for soft FoSes. I actually have to agree with Lucidity on you, Dreamflower. It seems weird that you would post things like this: On September 15 2011 23:31 dreamflower wrote: Oh, oops, I missed the exchange between wherebugsgo and Forumite, where Forumite asks him, "Why not switch your vote? Tnkted isn't going to get lynched anyway" and wherebugsgo complies. So, I guess it isn't true that no one was forcing him to vote for sinani. It is still a dramatic shift from saying "I don't think sinani is scum and I'm not gonna vote for him" to "I'm prepared to switch my vote, but I don't think sinani is the best lynch," to "We only have 6 votes on sinani? ##vote sinani" in about as many posts. I guess some of this can be attributed to the frustration of anticipating a no-lynch to happen. But it's still weird that wherebugsgo keeps saying that he thinks sinani isn't Mafia and he's never seen a bandwagon form this quickly for a real Mafia, but jumps on the bandwagon anyway and casts the deciding vote against sinani. You recognize a possible reason why I would vote for sinani (in order to prevent a no-lynch) but it's almost as if you just dismiss it. You've got both opinions in there, such that it's possible you would find me scummy no matter what I did! On September 16 2011 02:09 dreamflower wrote: It's not that I believe a no-lynch is a viable option, except possibly in some endgame situation, which we certainly are not in right now. But I couldn't help but be surprised that the no-lynch didn't happen last night, due to the vote of someone who made it clear that he believed the person he was voting for wasn't Mafia, no less. For my part, I wouldn't have blamed wherebugsgo specifically as the cause for the no-lynch. I definitely wouldn't have insta-voted him the next day over it. There were plenty of people who were also posting at the time who could have changed their vote, like Nisani or DroneAllDay with his weird filter-ish accusation of Nisani (what was that, by the way? DroneAllDay, are you really accusing someone because of posts they made before the game started?), and didn't. If we'd had a no-lynch, it would have been because of several people who voted for players other than sinani206, not just because of wherebugsgo. I guess it really would have been frustrating to not have a lynch happen last night, though. Considering how starved we are for information, I can't fault you for that. Sorry for the "hammer," wherebugsgo; I just thought the change of heart was really striking at first, though it is understandable. Then here comes a post I don't really understand. You say that you think no-lynch is not a viable option this early in the game. Okay, with you there. Then you say you're surprised that a no lynch didn't happen yesterday. If a no lynch happened yesterday I would DEFINITELY have been blamed for it, whether you would have or not. The best thing about this is none of us know what you would've done, because a no-lynch didn't happen, so you can say that with impunity. We can sit around and talk about speculative, hypothetical situations all day, but that gets us nowhere closer to finding scum. Then you talk about DaD's vote on Nisani. I can't tell if this is a suspicion of DaD or a soft defend of Nisani. (anyone else see this?) At the end of your post, you go back on what you've said and say you would've been frustrated with a no lynch. If you would've been frustrated with a no lynch that means that whoever didn't vote for sinani would've been suspected, no? I was the most active person yesterday, particularly around lynch time, who did not like the sinani vote. I was, ultimately, the deciding vote. If you would've been frustrated with that I'm sure plenty of other ponies in this town would've jumped all over me for that too. Lucidity admits he would've insta voted me, for example. Finally, there's a small double standard here. As you say, I wasn't actually the only person around at lynch time who would've voted for someone other than sinani. Nisani looks shady for that. He didn't vote sinani either, but the way he responded to his lynch and anyone who pushed his lynch seemed really off. It seemed like he saw the flip coming (as someone else mentioned, I don't remember who that was) and he certainly should be another one of our top priorities today IMO. He didn't get your attention, dreamflower? You mentioned his name in passing, but it doesn't seem like you've actually considered him as scum. The last thing I want to say is this: I want to hear everyone's opinions on these following five people. tntked nisani curu dreamflower lucidity Hopefully we can promote some more (productive) discussion today, as opposed to the mess we had yesterday. | ||
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On September 16 2011 19:44 Jackal58 wrote: Twinkles is town. Guaranteed. What is this? Are you saying tnkted is town? I won't believe this until I have adequate reason to, as for now I still think tnkted is mafia. Nisani is acting pretty weird too, he hasn't said anything about tnkted really but insta voted him after the day post with no reasoning. Anyway, I won't be around for the next 12-16 hours or so. Today is Friday and all my HW is due (plus I have like five classes) so I won't be free until tonight around 8 pm PST or so. I'll be back then to see how the thread has gone. Till then, the best lynch, IMO, is tntked. ##vote tnkted | ||
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On September 17 2011 05:38 tnkted wrote: Just tell them jackal, the info is pro-town and if you're killed it confirms my alignment anyway which mafia does not want. Vice versa if you're killed. Why don't you tell us? This sudden claim stuff is hella shady to me. It came at a really strange time of day, and it's not making any sense yet other than Jackal "confirming" tnkted as town. I find it weird that it's been put out there that tnkted is town but there's almost no explanation as for why or how. If you actually are town you'll get shot for sure (which is just dumb to me, idk why you would do that) and if you're not it makes sense as a gambit to get another mislynch today and get us closer to mylo. | ||
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On September 17 2011 11:11 GreYMisT wrote: I think this lowers their suspicion level to me. here is why: Note when Jackal posted his assertion that tntked was town for the first time. Before the night post. Before that point a lot of us were talking about tntked and his behavior the previous day. The best reason I can see of this is that jackal thought the chances were good that he was going to die that night, so he posted information he had somehow obtain that tntked was town, in hopes that his death, flipping green/blue, and his post would prevent another mislynch on tntked today. The more complicated explination is that he is mafia, he fabricates a post about his scumbuddie tntked being town, and posts it in hopes the above argument is assumed, and a vig doesnt hit him or tnkted making him look guilty, or tntked isnt lynched anyway, exposing jackal as a liar, and now the scum is down by 2. I do not see any senario that would occur if only one of tntked or jackal was scum. in my eyes both have to either be town, or scum. Occam's Razor dictates that the first senario (with them both being town) is more simple, and therefore more likely. However, I await your explanation as to what in the hell is going on. I don't think you can tell either way. Either they're both townies, and Jackal knows something about tnkted so he's trying to prevent him from getting lynched. Or they're both mafia making a gambit to gain towncred. Look how fast half the town believed tnkted. What's weird to me is that tnkted seems to know how Jackal knows he is town. This makes very little sense to me, since certainly tnkted would back up Jackal when Jackal is defending him, but then why would tnkted push Jackal to explain it, in a way that seems as if tnkted already knows HOW Jackal knows? It just doesn't add up to me. | ||
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Neither of them have contributed one. I've contributed my list, but other than tnkted no one really grabbed anyone's attention yesterday. We have to consolidate today or we're gonna be in deep shit. And certainly if we don't lynch mafia today, and we don't lynch tnkted/Jackal (and they're both alive), I'm going to be looking into them a lot harder. If someone has a better target I'm willing to drop tnkted for now, but no one has presented anything yet. | ||
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On September 17 2011 14:13 Jackal58 wrote: Scum really hate when two townies know they are both townies don't you? Scum really hate when townies have knowledge that is denied to scum don't you? PM abilities in a non PM game are great. As I said before if you guys feel compelled to lynch me to verify my alignment I'm ok with that. But keep your dick beaters off of Twinkles. Sorry Curu. I didn't realize you were running LOTR when I posted that. My vote is going on Bugs. If you're town you can trust me or lynch me. But you damn sure aren't getting all the details. ##VOTE: wherebugsgo This is the biggest bullshit vote I've ever seen. I choose lynch. ##vote Jackal58 | ||
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On September 17 2011 14:41 Jackal58 wrote: I have been completely honest. All you need to know right now is tnkted is town. ![]() god you guys are slow sometimes | ||
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In hindsight I'm want to believe Jackal's claim because I had a town read on him all game. It doesn't add up to what I see in his behavior for him and tnkted to be scumbuddies. I just feel stupid because my entire case on tnkted is thrown out the window (for now, at least). Nisani was my #2 choice, so I won't be complaining there. ##unvote Jackal ##vote Nisani201 | ||
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On September 17 2011 14:38 wherebugsgo wrote: I don't have PM ability, but I think I understand what's going on. Let's be...honest about it. This is a breadcrumb. I have one of the pieces of honesty. I thought you guys were getting pieces together so I wanted to help you out. That's why I wanted to know more about what Jackal was doing. When I realized he was telling the truth and I reread his songpost, I figured he can't be mafia with tnkted. Then, I voted nisani because he was my number 2 lynch target. I've been pushing tnkted and nisani all day, if I get a town read on tnkted of course I'm going to go back and push my second lynch after clarifying that the claim indeed is made from a pro town perspective. | ||
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I'm really not sure though. There's still the remote chance Jackal is mafia and is lying to save tnkted, but I thnk it's worth the risk. | ||
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But the problem is communication. Are you understanding? | ||
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Wait so sorry if this is a stupid question but why are we asking this? | ||
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On September 18 2011 07:04 Lucidity wrote: Just read the new element of harmony claim. One of Forumite or WBG is definitely scum. What the fuck? Are you purposely misreading or are you being misleading? Neither of us has the element of harmony. | ||
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I have not yet decided whether I'll make my decision public. On the subject of lynching, I need to reiterate that Nisani is a good target. He seems to have passed under the radar recently, which gives me greater confidence in his scumminess. I urge you all to think about that while I think about the piece business. | ||
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![]() I have a Michael Moore thing to go to tonight so I will be unavailable. I can confirm that the capital letters in my PM are the same as Forumite's. Also Nisani's revote on me is hella scummy. I hope he gets some votes while I'm gone. | ||
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Also, I made a mistake with respect to the timing of when I received my piece. I actually received my piece with the day 1 post, not the night 1 post (AKA September 13) That's the time stamp on the PM. I had another PM from GMarshal that I mistakenly thought was the piece PM in my inbox so I wrongly assumed that was the one for the receptacle. | ||
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On September 18 2011 20:36 Forumite wrote: You really should have checked that earlier, but whatever. So either you are scum and got it after nightkilling Chaos13, Chaos13 sent it to you right before dying (except he couldn´t have known that he would die), or you got it randomly after the holder died. We don´t know the exact mechanic of the pieces of Harmony, so I´m inclined to leave it at that, until tnkted gets back to us with wether or not he got the pieces. It´s up to what tnkted has got now. As for Nisani201, he´s the only thing confirming that I got my piece by day 1, before he came out with that, risking his own neck and claiming to me and Curu that he´s in our PM circle, then I was the one who looked like the lyer, since I got my piece before anyone else. I had allready claimed, so if he was scum wanting to destroy our Mason Circle, he could have just waited and nightkilled me instead. More or less the same for Curu, he risked himself too, and didn´t really gain anything from it, except calling himself in the open. Sure, Nisani and Curu are not 100% confirmed Town, but they act like Town. Good enough for me, so I´m not going to be party to a lynch on them. Scrolling through my stuff on my phone is hard lol sorry. I had a post written and then I looked back really quickly and made an assumption. Not like it matters though, GMarshal could easily have just sent the pieces out in waves. | ||
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Let's keep it to the complement of this list: On September 18 2011 12:23 Forumite wrote: Okay, assuming that WBG does what he should and sends his to tnkted, this is where I think scum lurks: 1.) dreamflower 2.) Sevryn 3.) Lucidity 5.) GreYMisT 6.) | ||
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On September 19 2011 08:07 Lucidity wrote: Erm? And nice work on the false dilemma. The alternative is LYNCHING SCUM IN WBG. Not a no lynch. And riddle me this: Why did WBG vote for both you and Jackal at a stage that he claims he believed you were town? Please read the part of my analysis on WBG that deals with you and the claims at least. And comment on it. Why am I more scummy than WBG? Everyone that votes for me needs to state this clearly so that we can find the scum on me after I die. @Everyone: I haven't played with tnkted before. Is he considered a good player? If we're lynching all liars, we should be lynching you because you're the biggest liar in town. I didn't believe Jackal OR tnkted when I voted them. Why the fuck would I vote them if I believed them? Once I got enough information out of Jackal as to what tnkted did (I figured tnkted sent Jackal a piece) I figured it out and took my vote off, and breadcrumbed that I had a piece too. Then, lastly, I sent a piece to tnkted. If I was scum, genius, why would I send my piece to confirmed town, when the consolidation of those pieces gives town better abilities? God you're thick. | ||
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##vote Lucidity If I haven't done so already, I don't remember if I took my vote off Nisani | ||
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On September 19 2011 07:01 Lucidity wrote: He might have thought that him getting it Day 2 ties in with Chaos dying. He might have wanted to remove that possibility from the table completely. If he had said Day 2 I would have immediately brought up the idea that scum get the elements of their night kill victims. So that was smart of him. The first time he "breadcrumbs" that he has the element is after tnkted/jackal on Day 2. Come. On. I never said Day 2, good god. I said N1, which would have been Sept 15 (sinani's death) This was wrong, since the PM I received from GM at that time was for something else. I received the piece PM on September 13th, or Day 1, but AFTER my role PM. It was not with a daypost. | ||
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I'm now unsure about tnkted and Jackal too. If this is a scum gambit it's a fucking good one, cause tnkted is voting me when I fucking gave him a piece. Are you stupid or are you scum? | ||
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On September 19 2011 08:51 Forumite wrote: Lucidity explained all the points against you. Claiming you got your item N1 to conform with tnkted+Jackal, changing your mind once Nisani confirmed my claim on a D1 item, heavily pushing for Jackal to confess when you should have figured it out allready. If we ignore the fact that you gave up your piece, then you look more scummy than Lucidity. These are all false. My claim of n1 was a mistake. I actually came out and said that myself (why would I do that as scum? I could've just kept quiet about it, it wouldn't have made a difference.) You guys are trying to use the N1 claim to label me as mafia when that's blatantly false. I never suspected you, Forumite. If I'd suspected you I would've voted you. | ||
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If you want to kill me for that, fine, since obviously I can't reason with any of you. No matter what I could've done I would've appeared scummy apparently. | ||
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On September 19 2011 08:55 Forumite wrote: He was reluctant to accept me as a possible holder, not wanting to give up his piece before leaving for a long while, only doing it after I gave up mine and thereby forced him to do the same. It might as well have been a scum gambit, with all the trouble we went through to get that piece. So now my RL reason for leaving during the day is a reason for me being scum? What kind of shit is this? Read your own argument dude, it's not making any sense. I left because I needed to go eat and attend a Michael Moore event here in Berkeley last night (go google it if you don't believe me) After 4 hours I was back and the first thing I did was PM GMarshal to send the piece to tnkted. I didn't even know you gave up yours BECAUSE I WAS GONE. | ||
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On September 19 2011 08:55 Jackal58 wrote: Would you please refrain from this? If I want to listen to somebody call others stupid all night I'll go watch tv with my wife. yeah it's a little frustrating when no one listens to reason. I apologize. | ||
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On September 19 2011 08:58 Forumite wrote: It is probably a mistake, but at the time it made me look bad, and it took until Nisani vouched for me before you rechecked, before then I was risking a lynch. It doesn´t matter if it was a mistake or not, what happened fit what a scum would do in order to get me lynched, or maybe trick me into sending you my piece before then. We can´t verify the truth behind it, and it looks bad. So I'm scum because I made you look bad? Lol. | ||
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On September 19 2011 09:02 Forumite wrote: I tried to resolve the issue before you had to go, I even suggested sending to Jackal. Waiting would just delay needlessly, and cut 4 hours out of that day, because we focused on the elements and the holders instead of scumhunting. It´s not that you went away that looks bad, but that you stalled until you had to go. I didn't stall. I was thinking about whether to give the piece to you, or to tnkted. I was debating whether or not tnkted and Jackal were gambiting as scum to get the pieces. If they were scumbuddies and gambitting to get the pieces it would make sense for them to confirm each other (and the timing of it also makes sense) Think about this: why would tnkted send Jackal his piece? He was never in danger of dying at the time it came about. I was pushing real hard for his lynch the next day, if he was worried about being lynched he could have sent the piece later. The timing of it was very weird to me. Then, ofc, at first I didn't understand the claim. I didn't really know how Jackal could confirm tnkted (and vice versa). I didn't think about PM circles. I didn't think about the pieces, until I had made several prods and it was apparent that they were trying to gather them together. So then, I breadcrumbed that I had the piece of honesty to see whether or not they would recognize I understood without me having to blurt it out. That obviously didn't work because Jackal and Lucidity (IIRC) still suspected me. Nisani at the time was my #2 lynch target. Now I'm unsure of him for obvious reasons. So, since I didn't want town to waste time trying to get me lynched I just came out and said that I have the piece of honesty, as it appeared clear to me that no one was going to understand my breadcrumb. Then you guys tell me to do something with it but not tell anyone. Okay, that's fine. Then, do I send it to Forumite, or do I send it to tnkted? I was wondering which would be the better idea. I hadn't really figured out which would be the better choice by the time I left, and I was running late, so I left. That's pretty much it. When I got back I figured that, since I believed Jackal's and tnkted's claims I'd send the piece to tnkted, so I did that. I also posted a clarification that I had actually received the piece at some point on day 1, not night 1 as I erroneously claimed. I didn't even think that was a big of a deal, because it had no bearing on anything. I just said it because I had made a mistake. No one would've been able to tell even if I had just kept quiet about it, but it's better to be honest as town than lie. | ||
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On September 19 2011 09:04 Forumite wrote: If you were scum, then it would have been a good way to get an element for Scum, lynch a Townie, at worst at the cost of your life the day after. What are you talking about? If I were scum why the hell would I ever let go of the piece, let alone claim that I had one? Claiming to have it alone is a stupid idea as scum, because that draws a ton of attention. The consolidation of the pieces is something that is important for town. If I were scum I would've happily kept quiet about having a piece and I would've definitely never sent it to tnkted. That would just be suicide. | ||
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ATM I'm unsure on tnkted/Jackal and I don't think they'd make good lynches. Forumite is giving me town vibes and I still feel like Nisani could be scum. Nisani "confirmed" Forumite but I really don't believe he's done anything else all game. It'd be pretty dumb to assume he's town just because of that one thing he's done. | ||
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On September 19 2011 09:34 Forumite wrote: A piece does you no good, but if you could get me to send you the other piece, and at the same time get me killed, then it´s 3 town down and an element in Scum hands, in return for your life. Before I sent to tnkted, you were never forced to do the same, and with some persuasion, perhaps I would have sent mine to you without any fuzz. After that, you could have said you hadn´t gotten a piece, and I would have been lynched as a liar. If it wasn´t for Nisani, my breadcrumbs, and tnkted, that could have been a possibility. I don´t have any proof that this would have happened, but it could have happened, if it was anyone else who didn´t breadcrumb or had a Cutie Mark Crusader buddy. And no, I don´t think WBG is scum, just exploring the possibilities here. He could be scum, that´s what I wanted to check. Lucidity, arguing with him makes him look Town to me, despite pushing for WBG. He´s explained what he was up to, and his reasons are not scummy. If he´s scum, then it´s because he´s pushing on someone we want to have confirmed, not because of the way he´s pushing. You have no proof because I never had any sort of intention to do anything like that. Ever. This is horrible, convoluted logic. The simplest explanation wins, and clearly this is not the simplest explanation, because if that's what I wanted to do I would've actually made signs that I wanted your piece. I never asked for it. If I was scum I probably would've hinted that I would be a better recipient than tnkted, but I didn't do that, did I? | ||
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On September 19 2011 10:01 Forumite wrote: I´m not proving your guilt, just the possibility of guilt, and while it´s convoluted logic, it paints a logical train of thought both from a scum and town perspective. You didn´t have to tell me to give you my piece, it was always on the table, and always one of the ways to clear up the situation. I repeatedly asked you to make up your mind about giving your piece to me. You could have said that you didn´t trust me, that I should give you my piece. I was waiting for an answer, on if I would get the piece or if I should give mine away, because I felt a lynch coming on. Before Nisani vouched for me, there was enough pressure that I might have given you the piece just to keep it among living ponies. It could have worked, and that you didn´t say you wanted the piece doesn´t mean anything, because it was always the most likely outcome, thanks to your mistake with the PM. This doesn't make sense. First of all, I thought it would be best to give the piece to one of you or tnkted without saying who received it. Then I realized it didn't matter if I did it that way and decided to just say that I'd given it to tnkted in the thread. Never once did it cross my mind that you would think of giving me the piece. It just doesn't make sense to give me the piece, and it didn't make sense to me to give my piece to you either. Both of us were unconfirmed at this point in time, so the proper choice would've been between tnkted and Jackal. I chose to give it to tnkted because it was public that my choice was between you and tnkted. Lastly, there was never any pressure for you to get lynched and you know that. I don't understand why you're saying that now, it's not making sense to me in the slightest. | ||
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On September 19 2011 10:02 Jackal58 wrote: What would you do? I mean if you were scum. Say all 5 of us posting now are town. Would you post anything? I dunno, I've never been scum. I think you're right though, it's very easy to blend in at this point in time. As you said, however, how are we going to lynch him when we aren't enough to get a majority? | ||
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On September 19 2011 10:05 Forumite wrote: We stopped voting for Nisani after he cleared me of suspicion about me getting my element early. I think Lucidity was suspicious about WBG before he came under suspicion, and since he´s been defending the case that I thought it was scummy of him to make, not trying to make a case to divert attention. Which, IMO is a dumb reason to stop voting him. Just because Nisani is in your PM circle and he "cleared" you doesn't mean he's town. | ||
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He's been lurking, we all have scum reads on him, and obviously I'm not comfortable getting lynched cause I'm town. Nisani then is the only logical choice because clearly it's between me and Lucidity and you guys think Lucidity could be town too. | ||
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On September 19 2011 10:31 Forumite wrote: WBG can´t accept that what he did could have been done exactly the same by a scum, which is weird, but since the element claims and until now, I feel we can make do without a lynch today. If everyone wants to lynch WBG, then I can move my vote, I won´t force a no-lynch. I'm not accepting it because it's a hypothetical. The real fact of the matter is that I'm town, so you're wasting a ton of time by focusing on me. Do you understand now? | ||
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On September 19 2011 10:36 Forumite wrote: You might be Town, but I´ve proven that it´s not proven that you are Town. See? We can say the same about anyone in this game. We could say that about you too! The instant you were pressured at all by votes that should've screamed "easy lynch" to you, you begin this rant about me being mafia, completely disregarding everything else I've done. That makes sense from a scum agenda too! When someone puts things like you've done, you can come to whatever conclusion you want. It's just bad logic. | ||
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Oops didn't notice him. I guess not. Lynching me will get us all closer to lylo. If we can't get enough votes due to inactivity then we should no lynch and try again tomorrow. On September 19 2011 10:43 Forumite wrote: Actually, almost everything you did after tnkted and Jackals claims until you gave over the piece to tnkted has looked like suspicious to me. That´s why I didn´t send you my piece earlier, because you acted weird. I disregarded it due to the final result, you giving up the piece, but by that time you didn´t have a choice, so it doesn´t mean much. Again, the same can be said about almost anyone when your basic assumptions and logic are flawed. I did have a choice. I had a choice in the first place to not claim I had a piece. As scum, why would I claim I had a piece in the first place? It just doesn't make sense from a scum perspective. If you consider that then your whole argument falls apart because if I were scum we'd never have gotten to where we are now. | ||
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On September 19 2011 10:52 GreYMisT wrote: So we have a choice, No-lynch or WBG. The problem with a no-lynch is we pretty much get to do today all over again, but with the absence of a town member due to nighttime. Of course, if some blues come forth with info on day3 that would be great, but not likely. On the other hand killing a townie just for the sake of killing someone is not a good idea, and if we all feel pretty good about WBG being town we shouldn't kill him. What do you guys think about a no-lynch Actually, you missed one thing. If you lynch me then you'll most likely be missing TWO towns tomorrow unless you get a godly prot off on the night target. | ||
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If we all leave does that mean the game ends due to inactivity? Lol | ||
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On September 19 2011 19:30 Lucidity wrote: You forgot scenario #4. tnkted is scum and Jackal is town. I think out of #3 and #4, #4 is more likely. tnkted had made no mention about his element or that he gave it to Jackal in the thread. Jackal could have easily killed him if he were red. I think #3 can almost be completely disregarded. #4 however makes sense if we consider that tnkted was the first in line to be lynched on Day 2. Doing what he did saved his skin on Day 2, there's no doubt about that. If we're going to lynch someone to confirm a townie, it should be tnkted to confirm Jackal, not the other way around. Lynching Jackal doesn't confirm anything. But we shouldn't be lynching to confirm anyone anyway. Please stop suggesting that o; The info we gain should be a byproduct of us hunting scum. I'm done with assuming tnkted is town. For most of Day 2 I assumed that his play was that of a Townie making mistakes. I'm not going to be giving him that leeway anymore. I went in to Day 2 believing he was scummy. His actions during the lynch saga between me and WBG were scummy. I'll have a closer look at it today. WBG: How did you forget when you got the element? I can't fathom how such a thing could ever happen. Please try to make me understand it. At anyone who pushed for a no lynch who is actually town: You suck. At inactive replacements who turn out to be inactive themselves............ You suck. Don't forget nisani. He seems to keep falling off the radar somehow. As for me forgetting the timing of receiving my piece, I'll be the first to admit that my play this game has been really bad. I didn't think it was that important and I was on my iPhone at the time I was being asked, on the way to an event. As I was writing the post I glanced in my inbox to check the time on the PM (forgetting I had 3 PMs from GM about MLP, not 2) and simply just read the timestamp instead of actually opening the PM to save time. Careless mistake on my part, but no malicious intentions. | ||
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We should lynch Nisani today, he's been lurking far too long. Lurkers are what's killing this game and he is by far the scummiest lurker of them all. | ||
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On September 20 2011 05:59 Nisani201 wrote: I explained in thread why I wasn't around yesterday. And lurkers aren't killing the game, the no-lynch that YOU CAUSED is killing this game. How did I cause the no lynch? What was I supposed to do, vote myself? If I'd been lynched we'd be in a much worse situation thanks to me being town. I don't think you need to go to pony university to know that 1 banished town pony and 1 petrified town pony is much worse than only 1 petrified town pony. | ||
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Going on what we know, Nisani is the best lynch. I'm strongly convinced Jackal is town, Forumite is town, and Lucidity/tnkted are prob town IMO. That leaves Nisani Sevryn Curu Cyber_Cheese. I'll bet our scumteam is very likely to be in that list. Let's start with Nisani and pressure the others into talking today. | ||
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On September 20 2011 09:06 Jackal58 wrote: I sure don't see it. I see you getting pissy about proving to Forumite you were in the QT but you never explained why you thought he was scum. While you're here (Unless you're going away for another 30 hours) did Forumite mention getting a strange PM in the QT? in the context of the QT business between nisani/curu/Forumite I'm pretty sure one or two of those names are mafia. I doubt it's Forumite though, he was very reluctant to lynch me. In that case it's nisani/curu and they both very well could be mafia. If I'm still alive tomorrow I will be pushing the nisani lynch. | ||
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On September 20 2011 09:12 Jackal58 wrote: Hey Bugs? If you're town why aren't you playing scummy? I don't play scummy when I'm town. Not my fault people think my style is scummy. | ||
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On September 20 2011 09:14 Curu wrote: I don't think Nisani is scum. It's probably Forumite. Nisani has bad posting but it doesn't seem to align with Mafia objectives. wtf you spend all day yesterday not here, then come in and just assert Nisani is town? Of course his behavior lines with mafia objectives, he was trying to push the blame around on multiple people for a no lynch yesterday (which he wasn't here to influence!) He was conveniently gone the entire time and then comes back and rages at us. He didn't have to provide his opinion cause he wasn't there! Are you scumbuddies with Nisani? | ||
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On September 20 2011 09:17 Erandorr wrote: that really made me giggle after lotr :D HAHA SO FUNNY + Show Spoiler + lol I'll admit that actually is pretty funny also you died too ![]() | ||
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On September 20 2011 09:22 Nisani201 wrote: The only person I blame for the no-lynch is you. Say again? On September 20 2011 01:39 Nisani201 wrote: Ok, what the fuck? How did we get a no-lynch? I'm on my iPod right now so I can't navigate as quickly, but I am putting big FoS on the outliers. Obviously scum wants a no-lynch. Nice scumslip, mate. Blaming me is a stupid idea anyway, as I said, what was I supposed to do? Hammer myself? lol you're ridiculous | ||
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On September 20 2011 09:20 Curu wrote: Look at how fiercely he was defending sinani. Stupid move for scum. He also proposed the scum-among-us idea for the 3 Mason circle. Stupid move for scum. Actually that's the PERFECT move for scum. He gains towncred by defending a lynch target who he knows will flip town. How hard is that to comprehend? Also, again, the proposal of the scum among you idea is for towncred. Him saying that seeds doubt (as you clearly now doubt Forumite) and it also pushes the notion that he's pro-town. You can't seriously believe he's town based on that. I expect better from you Curu. Your activity has been low, which I suppose is somewhat understandable given LOTR and everything but you're not this thick as town. [QUOTE]On September 20 2011 09:22 Nisani201 wrote: [QUOTE]On September 20 2011 09:16 wherebugsgo wrote: [QUOTE]On September 20 2011 09:14 Curu wrote: I don't think Nisani is scum. It's probably Forumite. Nisani has bad posting but it doesn't seem to align with Mafia objectives.[/QUOTE] wtf you spend all day yesterday not here, then come in and just assert Nisani is town? Of course his behavior lines with mafia objectives, he was trying to push the blame around on multiple people for a no lynch yesterday (which he wasn't here to influence!) He was conveniently gone the entire time and then comes back and rages at us. He didn't have to provide his opinion cause he wasn't there! | ||
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yo Nisani. I'm going to briefly entertain the thought that you're town. Obviously you think I'm mafia. Other than me, who do you think is mafia? You can't only have one scumread... | ||
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On September 20 2011 10:23 Nisani201 wrote: It's mini mafia, so yes I can have one scumread. I would like to see Erandorr post more when he gets the chance, though. wat You're seriously telling us you only have one scum read? Okay, you're still scum. | ||
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If one of them is town, tnkted. If we don't have 2 scum we have 1 third party, the game isn't balanced without 3 non townies IMO. | ||
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On September 20 2011 10:59 Forumite wrote: Nisani came out to defend me, Curu came out to try to get me lynched on a weak case. That´s why I think nisani is Town. Not quite following here, Nisani said we shouldn´t trust blindly, he was accepting the possibility of scum among the Cutie Mark Crusaders, you however made the case that there MUST be a scum among us 3, and pushed for my lynch solely based on that. There´s nothing guaranteeing that there must be a scum among us, unless you know for a fact, by being one yourself. That´s why your case looks against me looks weird, and somewhat scummy. ---- Of the remaining players, I´m most interested in Greymist. Just a feeling, mostly it´s him being wishy-washy and fitting in yesterday. I´ll see if there is any real evidence to back it up. Well Greymist flipped town. Real convenient for you, eh? Why are you defending Nisani so hard? You seem to be going on about him coming out to defend you as if that matters. I've already gone over why it still makes sense for Nisani to do all of those things. Plus, he hasn't scum hunted at all. His opinions have been absolutely worthless. He just spreads the blame while lurking and going under the radar constantly. Then, he contradicted himself by saying that he "only blames me" for the no lynch yesterday despite clearly saying merely two posts earlier that he suspected all the outliers (or basically whoever was not present for the lynch) I'm beginning to suspect that you're so hard to convince because you're scumbuddies, and you also soft FoSed me with nisani when you thought my mistake was "malicious." At this point it's unclear to me which of you, Curu, and Lucidity are mafia but I am incredibly sure about Nisani. Additionally it would make sense if all three of you, Curu, and Nisani are scum and just fabricating this whole QT business because then it would make perfect sense. GM is not going to make a QT with 3 townies. Curu is trying to gain towncred too. This whole thing is a total mess, and you know what? Partly it's my fault. I've played horribly this game and I'll own up to that fact. I let Nisani slip through by lurking without pushing him hard enough. Hopefully today we can do the proper thing and banish his evil pony flank. ##vote Nisani201 | ||
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On September 20 2011 11:15 Forumite wrote: I guess scum thought Greymist was looking more Town than I did. Okay, let´s assume there´s one scum among us. Why me and not you? Still waiting for tnkted to make the report he promised us. Also, someone wtf??? | ||
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I still prefer a Nisani lynch. Ugh this town is a total mess. | ||
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Cyber's argument is bad but then Forumite's response to it is even worse. He's responding to Cyber's allegations as if he's got something to hide. I think it'd be a good idea to look into both players today, but you know who we'd be letting go by doing that? Our scum Nisani. | ||
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On September 21 2011 04:06 Nisani201 wrote: Sigh, I guess I'll have to write an analysis on WBG when I get home today. So like, in a few hours. sounds like someone's gonna be working hard to fabricate something, eh? I can't believe we haven't lynched you yet. | ||
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On September 21 2011 06:14 Nisani201 wrote: This post does not make sense, if Forumite and Cury are mafia, then I must be mafia too (unless GM is epic trolling me). You're starting to get to dangerously close to WBG's level. If this isn't distancing then I don't know what is. | ||
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On September 21 2011 07:15 Nisani201 wrote: OK, this is getting ridiculous. WBG, you're off the hook for now. ##Unvote ##Vote: Cyber_Cheese you're still scum | ||
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Yeah, let's keep doing blatantly scummy things that no one notices and then later attempt to pass them off as pro-town things, eh? Wtf are you trying to do, fake bread crumb? | ||
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On September 21 2011 15:41 Forumite wrote: Are you sure it´s Honesty that you want? Honesty has allready been completed and is either in the hands of tnkted or Jackal. I think Kindness, and perhaps one other, is distributed as pieces right now, but Honesty is complete. which is why this is one of the worst fake breadcrumbs I've ever seen. Why on earth would he be telegraphing this as if he had half of the honesty piece? We already sent those to tnkted. | ||
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Tnkted help us lynch him. No townie would lie about having the honesty piece and Jackal has already confirmed that he still has it. | ||
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That is NOT an honest mistake. (rofl pun) sounds like a scumslip gone wrong to me. | ||
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I want to point out the fact that, having been caught on this scumslip his only choice is to give away the piece. Him giving away the piece is NOT AN INDICATOR OF ALIGNMENT | ||
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On September 21 2011 23:53 tnkted wrote: Ummm..... Wtf? This coming from the guy who took a HUGE amount of heat the other day for misclaiming his pm timing? Why anyone other than us? I don't see any obvious reasons at all. 1. My mistake was honest and it had no bearing on anyone else. I know Forumite thought it could've been malicious but it was not. Tell me, does my behavior fit with that type of mistake? 2. I wasn't under pressure at the time. This is a good indication of whether the slip is genuinely a scumslip or if it's a town derp. 3. This guy has been acting scum since Day 1. Now he does all of this stuff (including changing his vote rapidly in OMGUS when under pressure.) behaviour alone should tell you enough whether to believe his claim or not. | ||
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On September 21 2011 23:59 Nisani201 wrote: WBG, I was under just as much pressure as you when I mistakenly claimed having Honesty. You keep spewing out more bullshit, it's actually quite amazing. AFAIK there wasn't someone blatantly calling me out for LYING when I came out myself and said I mistakenly claimed n1. No one pressured me into saying that, I honestly admitted I had made a mistake. I could've kept quiet about it but as a townie I decided full disclosure was proper. You, on the other hand, only claimed it was a mistake after you'd received 2 votes from Jackal and Forumite on your outright lie that you had the honesty piece (as both Forumite and I had given them to tnkted yesterday) This also proves you wern't readin the thread at all, you were focused blindly on tunneling me for a mislynch. Had you actually read what me and Forumite were doing you might even have been able to get away with your little gambit! | ||
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You even FAKE BREADCRUMBED with the word "honesty". It seems like all you did was take my breadcrumb ("let's be honest about this") and didn't even bother to change the word! Even if you didn't check your PM box, you should've been reading the thread. Just by reading the thread you'd know that getting the honesty piece is impossible unless the whole element is give to you by tnkted/jackal (which they both deny doing) | ||
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On September 22 2011 00:09 tnkted wrote: No its not but it is an indicator that his 'scumslip' was an honest mistake and not a scumslip at all. Which makes him look more town. I'll remind you that I felt the same way about you until I recieved the pieces of honesty from yall, which made me feel that YOU were more town. People who have lived in glass houses and who have had stones thrown at them shouldn't throw stones at their neighbors on glass street. Er, my metaphor kind of ran away from me there, but you get the point. And alright nisani, we just have to wait for GM to send me a PM telling me what's what. In the meantime, ##Unvote. While we wait though, I want jackal's opinion on scum and on what we should do tonight with the items. I propose that (since we can't communicate at night) we use wifom to keep mafia from hitting us. It worked last night, since greymyst died instead of one of the two of us. Mafia knows that we can either protect the other one, or ourselves, and that we will probably do one of them. If mafia hits either of us then town knows that mafia knew who was going to be protected, so they knew it was safe to hit that person. Town then lynches the other one for revealing whats what. So we are probably safe. Just to make sure, and to make sure that scum can't roleblock or steal from the person WITH the items, I propose that we use the same principle of wifom to switch the items around. Let do something like, if by a certain time I don't send you my items, you send yours to me. Mafia won't know which one of us has them since we didn't post anything in thread, but the two of us will know. Then, right before the nightpost, one of us posts what happend. Thoughts? Why on EARTH would you keep alive someone who clearly has not been reading the thread? If he had claimed anything else it would be believable, but he chose HONESTY. think about that. | ||
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On September 22 2011 00:18 tnkted wrote: Bugs, what about this aren't you getting? We're about to find out if he was lying or not. We are putting your theory to the test. How is that not a good thing for town? I just explained to you why him giving you a piece is not an indicator of alignment. Think about it from a mafia perspective. He's been caught lying, fake breadcrumbing, and not reading the thread. His only chance not to get lynched is to take another gambit and send you the piece. I would say the worst, in fact, is the not reading the thread. That means he has no vested interest in scumhunting, just THINK about that before being so ready to believe his claim just because you receive a piece from him. | ||
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On September 22 2011 00:19 Nisani201 wrote: OK, I've had enough of this. WBG is being anti-town by criticizing EVERYTHING that's happening. Even if he is not scum, he still needs to die for his hostile behavior. ##Unvote ##Vote: wherebugsgo I'm criticizing your terrible scum play so you say I'm criticizing everything? Dude what are you on? You're just butt hurt we caught you lying your face off. You've done nothing all game but tunnel me, and it's clear you've had no interest in reading the thread or scum hunting. Just look at your own filter. It's full of nothing but terrible one liners and even worse votes coupled with a fake claim that screams anti town. | ||
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Everyone who is town and still sane in this game FOR GODS SAKE LYNCH NISANI | ||
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On September 22 2011 00:28 tnkted wrote: Yes, but if the piece he sends me is truely the element of generosity, then he wasn't caught lying, fake breadcrumbing, OR not reading the thread. He was caught making a mistake. YOU DID THE SAME THING EARLIER THIS GAME, HOW CAN YOU GIVE HIM SHIT FOR IT?! Am I out of my mind? What the hell is happening? Am I not explaining this correctly? Him sending the piece to anyone doesn't confirm anything! Let's go over it all again (god it's annoying to be repeating myself like this) Start by looking at his actions and mine from town and mafia perspectives. 1.) As town, you have a piece. It's been publicized for over a day that there are pieces out there, that you should claim if you have a piece, and you should give them to tnkted or Jackal. Why would a townie breadcrumb in this instance? There's no reason to keep people guessing about what you have when pieces have been traveling for a full day. Breadcrumbing at this point creates confusion when you can just be direct. Compare this to what I did. I breadcrumbed because it was not completely obvious what Jackal and tnkted were doing. I had reason to breadcrumb instead of outright claim since it wasn't publicized and no one was town confirmed. It would've been a stupid idea to claim but a great idea to breadcrumb. The exact opposite holds true now. It's retarded to breadcrumb now that everything is out there unless you have an ulterior motive and are attempting to appear town. 2. His breadcrumb made no sense and established the fact that he has not read the thread. Why on earth would anyone claim honesty when both Forumite and I sent our pieces to tnkted? You'd have to not read the thread to make a mistake like that. This fts with Nisani's lack of contribution. He can't contribute anything when he's not reading the thread, and the only thin he's added to the game is chaos. He has no will to contribute. This slip confirms that, and that's extremely pro-mafia. 3. He OMGUSes any pony who suspects him. He's flip flopped his votes a few times today already and when he sees that/is called out on it he goes back to his terrible and unfounded tunnel on me. 4. This is not his first contradiction in this game. It's just the worst. Forget looking at this mistake by itself and start looking at it in the context of everything else he's done. He has a 6 page filter full of one liners that say absolutely nothing. He's a detriment to the town and I can't believe I need to fight you thick ponies this hard to get him lynched. | ||
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On September 22 2011 03:34 Nisani201 wrote: I breadcrumbed because I did not know if there was a specific person who was told that they needed the element. If I said HEY GUISE I GOTZ DA ELEMENT WHO WANTS IT HURRRR, then scum might ask for it. But breadcrumbing it would only make sense to the person who needed it (however obviously this got severely messed up because I was breadcrumbing the wrong element). Mind explaining my other "contradictions"? Here's the other big one before this happened: (I pointed it out before but no one really cared) On September 20 2011 01:39 Nisani201 wrote: Ok, what the fuck? How did we get a no-lynch? I'm on my iPod right now so I can't navigate as quickly, but I am putting big FoS on the outliers. Obviously scum wants a no-lynch. On September 20 2011 05:59 Nisani201 wrote: I explained in thread why I wasn't around yesterday. And lurkers aren't killing the game, the no-lynch that YOU CAUSED is killing this game. On September 20 2011 09:04 Nisani201 wrote: Sorry, that was poorly worded. I meant people who were voting for someone with otherwise no votes. On September 20 2011 09:22 Nisani201 wrote: The only person I blame for the no-lynch is you. You go and contradict yourself TWICE on the same thing in four posts. On September 21 2011 04:06 Nisani201 wrote: Sigh, I guess I'll have to write an analysis on WBG when I get home today. So like, in a few hours. You know when that was? Exactly 24 hours ago. I still see no analysis on me. Contradiction #2; your actions did not line up with your words. You said you'd write something on me, and as was predictable, nothing showed up. On September 21 2011 23:39 Nisani201 wrote: gahhh i messed it up ##Unvote ##Vote: Jackal58 I've found confirmed scum, and you're voting for Forumite? OK WBG, my top 3 scum suspects, just for you: Jackal, WBG, and Cyber_Cheese. On September 21 2011 23:44 Nisani201 wrote: OK, when I died and flip Town, you had better kill Jackal. I have confirmed scum and you're voting for the wrong person. then comes this gem that just kinda fell out, contradiction #3 On September 21 2011 23:51 Nisani201 wrote: Giving the element to Jackal, hang on guys. When he realized how big of a scumslip that would be (accusing Jackal of being confirmed scum then wanting to give the piece to him) he immediately makes up an excuse for changing his mind: On September 21 2011 23:52 Nisani201 wrote: omg the posts are coming in so quickly, giving it to tnkted instead. So posts coming in quickly was a reason for you to accuse Jackal of being confirmed scum, then suddenly say you're sending him the element (wtf why would you send it to someone you thought was scum) then immediately backtrack when you saw how bad that looked to send it to tnkted? God you're terrible. On September 22 2011 00:19 Nisani201 wrote: OK, I've had enough of this. WBG is being anti-town by criticizing EVERYTHING that's happening. Even if he is not scum, he still needs to die for his hostile behavior. ##Unvote ##Vote: wherebugsgo Voting me and saying I need to die even if I'm not scum? Dude, can you get more anti-town? | ||
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On September 22 2011 03:57 Forumite wrote: Setting the facts straight: I got my piece of Honesty with the Day 1 post, not with the rolepost, it was around a realtime day between those. same here. I actually incorrectly assumed it was night 1 precisely because of this reason; the two posts were fairly fair apart in my inbox thanks to the PMs I'd received inbetween my role PM and the piece PM. Also, Nisani's mistake is NOT something a townie would do. On its own, perhaps, but there are numerous other things that make him look terrible. I know townies can play bad and all, but this takes it to a new level. It's not just about this one mistake. He's done nothing good for town all game, and as you can see in my post above he's contradicted himself several times over despite all his posts being fluff. | ||
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On September 22 2011 04:04 Nisani201 wrote: Uh oh, you've suffered from Filter Syndrome. Again. This is annoying, and I'm not even going to bother defending myself against this because of how much bullshit it is. I guess I will have to write an analysis against you. Really, I shouldn't have to convince people that you're scum, but unfortunately it's come to that. You're not even rebutting any of my points. You know why? Cause you can't. No one plays this bad as town, and you know it. Also, you'll have to fabricate an analysis against me now because I called you out on your bluff, the bluff no one else noticed because everyone else in this town is named Derpyhooves and can't see scum when they're flinging mud in their faces. | ||
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On September 22 2011 04:10 Lucidity wrote: Don't even bother. Unless you want another no lynch. TODAY WE LYNCH FORUMITE / JACKAL / CURU WBG: Go look at Cyber_Cheese's posts. And DAD's. How are you not attacking him, but going after Nisani instead? The former takes trolling/bad town play/whatthewhat to a whole new level. Because on principle I stay away from lynching lurkers. This is why Nisani wasn't my #1 choice on day 1. He was lurking too much and there wasn't enough information. Now he's been alive for 3 days and there's a gold mine of information despite all his posts being absolute one liner fluff. There are no scum tells with cyber. He's dumb town to me. At this stage in the game we lynch with what we know, and we know Nisani is a much worse detriment to town than Cyber_Cheese. Read my posts that outline Nisani's contradictions. Look at his play from a mafia perspective and tell me where my analysis is wrong. If you keep dismissing my arguments without actually considering them then I'm going to have to assume that you're doing it for anti-town reasons too. Would I be okay with lynching Cyber_Cheese? I would be if you actually made a case on him that I agree with, and atm you just keep asserting that he's the better lynch without actually providing justification for what makes Nisani a bad lynch and what makes Cyber a good one. | ||
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Anyway, the answer is still there, he's lurking and there's no info. Nisani is a better lynch to me. | ||
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On September 22 2011 04:15 Lucidity wrote: If there is even the hint of a no lynch tonight please just lynch me. I'm over this town. And I realise my frustration has caused me to also play badly. Just derp. @Everyone: State your opinions on FORUMITE JACKAL CURU believe me, you're not the only frustrated one. This town is one of the worst ones I've played in yet. Worse than XLIV even. Granted, part of it is obviously my fault as a member of town but I don't really think I'm playing as bad as I did in my first ever game (XLIV) As for your questions: Forumite I've had moments were I thought Forumite could swing mafia, but now I think that's an exception to the rule. For the most part I've had a town read on him. The way he argued with me over the PM debacle did not seem like something mafia would do. They don't straight up take on another player in a reasonable argument. He was being logical and he was presenting well reasoned points despite us being in disagreement. That's constructive to town and I don't really see that as mafia play. In addition, he was extremely easy for me to read as non-town in Cosmic. As soon as I replaced into the game I knew that he would be a top suspect. Going on the little bit of that part of his meta that I know, I don't think he'd act like this as mafia. (or third party) + Show Spoiler + Damn scum Jackal shot me when I fell asleep and missed the freaking 6 am deadline otherwise I'd actually have put my suspicions in that game out there :p Jackal There are arguments that can be made for both sides here but I say town, primarily because tnkted is still alive and for the most part the things they both did were either extremely pro-town or the sickest mafia gambit ever. While I realize it's possible Jackal could've gambited (like he did in Cosmic with JeeJee) I doubt it. Curu Curu's play has been absolutely terrible this game. At first I gave him the benefit of the doubt because of LOTR and his general inactivity, but now it's beginning to bother me. He could be mafia, and I think he's the most likely to be mafia in this group. I'd actually like Forumite's opinion on Curu, since they're both in the same QT. Would I vote any of these guys? Nah, not today. Today Nisani is the best lynch. | ||
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On September 22 2011 04:33 Lucidity wrote: @WBG: I don't think Nisani has acted more scummy than other derpers. Look at your own case. You say that he contradicted himself by calling Jackal scum and then giving the element to Jackal. But he called him scum when he thought Jackal was lying about the element of honesty. ONLY AFTER he realised he had Generosity and Jackal wasn't scum for having Honesty did he consider giving it to him. Why are you giving him excuses? First of all, Nisani could've said that himself (which he didn't.) Second, he obviously didn't read the thread or he'd know that both Jackal and tnkted were the closest to being confirmed town yesterday. Thus he would've NEVER suspected Jackal no matter what he said! He was looking for an easy way to pin someone else as a target instead of himself. Also, he wanted to give it to Jackal even before he realized he had generosity. Look: On September 21 2011 22:24 Nisani201 wrote: If there isn't a specific person who needs it then I will give it to tnkted or Jackal. Just look at how his vote pattern goes. It goes from me, to Jackal, to Cyber all in the process of him tunneling me for no reason, fake claiming and trying to paint Jackal as scum, then immediately trying to lose the heat. In the process of trying to lose the heat he says "oh shit fuck I'm going to get lynched now" and votes Cyber again. Why the hell are you defending him? | ||
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On September 22 2011 04:47 Lucidity wrote: Are you reading his filter or the thread? Read the thread and it becomes quite clear what happened. He wanted to give it to one of them. THen Jackal said he already had Honest and voted Nisani. Then Nisani thought Jackal was scum for fake claiming it. Then he realised he derped and said he'd give it to Jackal again. Make sense? I'm trying to point out to you that you're tunneling. And I think you're tunneling anti/bad town play instead of pro scum. I'm reading both. It still makes sense from a mafia perspective! If he was pro town he would NEVER claim honesty. Claiming honesty screams anti town because it telegraphs to us that he has not been reading the thread. Tell me, what has Nisani done for town this game? Also, of course it's pro-scum play. He gets another day free when he splits the vote and basically abstains by voting me, Jackal, cyber, or whoever else he chooses who is extremely unlikely to get lynched. What do you say about him saying he'll post analysis on me and then not coming up with it? What do you say about him saying he suspects the outliers and the other voters but only focusing on me? Is that all "anti-town" play too and doesn't warrant us lynching him? I'm starting to think you guys are scum buddies. | ||
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On September 22 2011 04:54 Lucidity wrote: Forumite is confirmed scum at this point. If he believed he had the element of Honesty. And Jackal comes into the thread and says he has it. He's obviously going to jump right on that shit and vote Jackal. How is that not obvious? Explain the logic to me if he were scum. How does his actions make any sense as scum? wtf I've been trying to explain it for like two pages and you keep ignoring the majority of the points I make | ||
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On September 22 2011 04:55 Nisani201 wrote: You are definitely getting an analysis. Yesterday I was distracted by Cyber_cheese so I did not write it, however I will not let that happen this time. more excuses. dude keep playing badly, if you somehow miraculously flip town I am going to vig/lynch/whatever you every day so I never have to deal with this again. It is so extremely frustrating to try to consolidate town votes and clean up town atmosphere when you defecate all over it every single time you enter the thread. | ||
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On September 22 2011 04:57 Lucidity wrote: READ THE THREAD tell that to your scumbuddy Nisani over there man he could really improve his scum play by just reading the thread. | ||
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On September 22 2011 05:00 Lucidity wrote: That was @Forumite. ERM? I deleted the rest of the post because it's nonsense. You're telling me you don't have any scum reads? By Day 3? I would be absolutely over the moon if you could be lynched today. Too bad Greymist died last night for suggesting we lynch you to confirm tnkted. I don't think anyone else sees how uninterested you are in hunting scum. actually the rest of the post had a lot of relevance. He was suggesting you've had "scumreads" on like everyone in this game so far. AKA you can't possibly be right because there's not 12 scum in this game. | ||
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On September 22 2011 05:11 Lucidity wrote: They are still both scummy. If one flips scum the other suddenly looks much more town, but until then??? Until then you can't keep pushing three targets at once | ||
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On September 22 2011 05:16 Lucidity wrote: That makes no sense as scum. Jackal AND tnkted claim that they have the element. So trying to go after Jackal alone is silly. Furthermore, they actually used the stone and got my name, WITH the "confused" part, which I didn't claim in thread. Coming late to the party and claiming to have Honesty and that that makes Jackal scum is RETARDED. Not only that, but the setup is all wrong. He didn't claim his element and call Jackal scum. He claimed his element and then it had to be pointed out by OTHERS that Honesty was already out there. And don't come with this "herp derp he never read the thread so that's why he tried the gambit". If Nisani is scum he's in a scum TEAM. They would have worked on the plan together. There's no way he would've fucked up like that. There's no way that plan would've even left the QT. Sorry, but you are attacking a derping townie, not someone playing pro scum. This is seriously eating at me now. retarded play is characteristic of a lot of townies but it isn't exclusive to townies. We can't just dismiss Nisani being mafia on the assumption that because he's playing badly he's auto town. In fact, that's a horrible assertion because then it invites the mafia to play like garbage and get away with it. All of your defense of Nisani is completely speculative. None of it is based on any objective evidence. So what if you think he'd have to plan something like that? Plans can be just as bad as players regardless of alignment. Lastly, IMO Lucidity is scum as well. Let's think about what he's done recently: 1.) Defend Nisani over and over with poor logic 2.) Push THREE other targets at once, such that if one of them flips town blame is absolved and he can move onto pushing a mislynch for one of the other two 3.) Push those three targets without really making much of an argument for why they're scum, or even why he thinks they're all connected. | ||
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On September 22 2011 05:17 Erandorr wrote: wow thanks lucidity, that is what I wrote earlier too ! Lets kill forumite, yes? yes! wtf are you scumbuddies with Lucidity and Nisani too? None of you make any arguments for your proposed lynches whatsoever, you just keep distracting town attention away from Nisani. This just makes me even more confident in lynching him today. | ||
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On September 22 2011 05:24 Erandorr wrote: I never did. I pushed forumite from the start, stoped morons/scum from lynching nisani overly quickly and then decided after that that its time to kill forimite. Either you read the thread really carelessly or you are intentionnaly shitting up everything. Nice attempt at distancing there... | ||
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On September 22 2011 05:25 Erandorr wrote: How is that tunnel you seem to be living in these days? yeah cause making a coherent case on someone I think is scum these days is tunneling, right? God you guys are thick | ||
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On September 22 2011 05:26 Lucidity wrote: Curu has defended Nisani and voted Forumite as well. Is he part of our scum team too? Oh boy, we are 4. We are in LyLo! <3 nah one of you must be a traitor | ||
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On September 22 2011 05:28 Lucidity wrote: It is when you ignore any responses to it. horse shit, you're the one who ignored his voting contradictions (blaming outliers for the no lynch in one post, then blaming only me, then going back and clarifying what he meant to Jackal about outliers and then blaming me again). You're the one who ignored the contradiction with respect to him saying he'd get an analysis on me and then not putting one up for 24 hours (and as of now 1 hr 45 minutes since I called him out on it) You're the one who has been ignoring the fact that Nisani has contributed nothing but chaos to this town since day 1. You're the one who is ignoring the fact that his element slip has a pro-mafia side as well as a (however far-fetched it may be) town side. I even said that by itself the slip could be something a townie would do, but that's extremely unlikely to me in light of all the other things he's done. Most importantly, you're the one who is ignoring the fact that what matters here is the big picture with respect to Nisani, not little individual things by themselves. | ||
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On September 22 2011 05:42 Lucidity wrote: I'm the one saying that's bad town, not pro scum. I'm not ignoring anything. So your excuse for dismissing my arguments is that they're all anti-town arguments? God that's one of the worst twisting of semantics I've ever seen. How else are you supposed to find scum? | ||
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On September 22 2011 05:45 Lucidity wrote: WBG, should I mention how you're the one ignoring how Nisani considered lynching through the CMCs to find the scum among them. Or how he helped Forumite out of a tough spot by confirming his claim, when scum could have let us stone him (The only way Nisani is scum there is if both are scum)? I never ignored it, I said it makes sense from a mafia perspective too. He could easily have been trying to get town cred through any of those actions. If Forumite flips town we know NOTHING about Nisani. | ||
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Think about this carefully before you all bandwagon Forumite like derps. On September 22 2011 05:47 Lucidity wrote: This entire town is bad town. So clearly we can't go that route. @Curu: So let's do it. Still a freaking terrible argument. The entire town isn't bad, it's just the bad ones are the ones (somehow) with the most influence right now. Just look at this Forumite lynch and you'll see what I mean. | ||
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I have class from now for another 3 hours. I'll be back then. THINK THIS THROUGH CAREFULLY | ||
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On September 22 2011 08:04 Lucidity wrote: You know, I don't like that your lynch has had no opposition. There are still 3 hours to go, but effectively it's the end of the day for me. Jackal changed his vote from Nisani with no reason. He hasn't given reasons in 3 days. I'd prefer a Jackal lynch. But I need to go sleep now. I wish deadlines were earlier. Actually I oppose Forumite's lynch. But, I guess to you I only exist when it's convenient. I've already said what I needed to say, I'm not going to waste my time on it because it honestly looks like no one is willing to listen to me anymore. Instead, I'm now going to give Nisani the courtesy of my response, unlike the rude dismissal of my arguments he and Lucidity have made, particularly the last day. First of all, Nisani brings up arguments that were made more than a week ago, that are now almost completely invalid because they were made with less information than what we have now. Let's start. On September 22 2011 09:04 Nisani201 wrote: wherebugsgo begins by calling out tnkted on actively lurking. However, this is not the case. At this point, tnkted had discussed other candidates for early lynches. When tnkted responds, wherebugsgo's rebuttal is that the contributions weren't "genuine." + Show Spoiler + On September 14 2011 04:59 tnkted wrote: Uh, what? Did you even read my post? And as for contributing jack shit: I posted a small little analysis on Greymyst, he responded to my FoS and I'm satisfied with the way he responded. If you don't think that's enough contribution for day one, too fucking bad. I have a life, you know. Why would you say his defense wasn't convincing then? It's as if you put both things in there just to be safe. Your analysis on Greymist didn't seem genuine to me, that's why I'm jumping all over you now. Nisani, did you even read what I was attacking tnkted for? He claimed Greymist's defense was not very satisfying but that he had had enough with him (wtf?) I thought he was being wishy washy on this, since he said Greymist's defense wasn't good, but that he was going to drop him as a candidate. That doesn't really make sense...when someone's defense is bad you pursue them further. That is also why I called his case disingenuous. It was poorly thought out, and I thought it was wasting our time day 1 on focusing a town target. On September 22 2011 09:04 Nisani201 wrote: The next page is all about people arguing over Sinani. What is wherebugsgo's contribution to this? "I can't tell you're alignment right now," and buddying up with Curu so that they can combine forces with bogus arguments against Sinani. The tunnelling continues, even though Sinani has proven that he had no intention of replicating his anti-town behavior from Ace's game. + Show Spoiler + On September 14 2011 12:21 wherebugsgo wrote: Sinani doesn't seem to have learned yet that we don't like his lurking/anti-town nill contribution style, yet you don't seem to care for policy lynching him. No shit I couldn't tell his alignment. After Ace's game I realized that you can never tell Sinani's alignment cause he plays like an idiot. Even in this game I couldn't tell his alignment because he refused to contribute and his defense of himself was extraordinarily lackluster. However, I believed the bandwagon on him was bad because of how fast it developed. Also, I did not tunnel Sinani. I don't know why you are insinuating this but it is clearly disingenuous and misleading. In addition, people kept calling me out for not voting him at the time when I thought he had already been hammered. When someone (I think it was Forumite) pointed out that we would be no-lynching if I didn't vote, I recounted and realized that sinani only had 6 votes, and not 7. I decided I'd vote him because at the time I thought no lynching day 1 would be a bad idea. I was okay with lynching Sinani over lynching no one, but my complacence was my mistake. I should've gone with my gut and forced a no lynch. Of course, had I done that I would've taken flak from Jackal, Lucidity, etc. instead and probably would've been insta bandwagoned and lynched. That would've been incredibly dumb. We already went over this when dreamflower was here at the beginning of day 2. It's not my fault you never contribute to these discussions, in particular that you never found this odd until now. It is now toward the end of day 3, something like 7 real time days since that happened. You had all the time in the world to put forth your opinion about it, and now you choose to do so? On September 22 2011 09:04 Nisani201 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 14 2011 12:21 wherebugsgo wrote: Sinani doesn't seem to have learned yet that we don't like his lurking/anti-town nill contribution style, yet you don't seem to care for policy lynching him. From here, WBG slowly gravitates away from the notion that Sinani is scum... until he votes for him. He does this in the name of stopping a no-lynch. The difference between this and when I voted for Curu is that the Sinani lynch gave us no information. If Curu had been lynched D1, it would have given us SOME information. Again, it's not my fault you didn't contribute. Or at least, what you contributed was so bad no one actually listened to you. Also, you know that lynching Sinani gave us no information IN HINDSIGHT. If we lynched Curu and he flipped town we'd be in the same exact boat, except Curu was actually contributing at the time while Sinani was doing absolutely nothing. I thought lynching Sinani was better than a no lynch because a no lynch is guaranteed to give us no information other than an immediate (and irrational) suspicion of whoever caused it. On September 22 2011 09:04 Nisani201 wrote: Anyways. Day 2. He starts by pressuring dreamflower and tnkted. Jackal come out and talks about how tnkted is confirmed townie. WBG wants more information, and Jackal calls him out for wanting too much information, and votes for him. WBG responds with an OMGUS vote against Jackal. How is this supposed to lead into me being scum, exactly? It sounds like you're just recapping events. Firstly, tnkted was my scumread from day 1 and we didn't lynch scum day 1. So, I continued pressuring tnkted. Also, I wanted to know more from dreamflower since she seemed to be accusing me of being flip floppy when she herself was being flip floppy (saying she would've been mad at a no lynch but then saying it was weird that one didn't happen. Playing both sides of the coin there) I didn't pressure her though, if I wanted to pressure her I'd actually have voted her. Imagine that! Finally, of course I wanted more information. If you just come out and call my number 1 scumread confirmed town I'm not going to sit there and believe you. When Jackal refused to say anything he actually voted me. I decided I wasn't going to hold any punches and I voted him back to pressure him into giving out some information about why tnkted was town. Luckily, it worked, because I realized they were trying to assemble pieces. I breadcrumbed I had the piece of honesty, then I realized that no one would ever understand what I was doing, so I straight up claimed I had it. How is this scummy? At this point, it's important to note that most of the people that WBG has been pressuring ended up being town. tnkted sinani, dreamflower, myself. Anyways, Greymist posts a half-ass analysis on me, and wherebugsgo is the first to sheep on it. The Jackal vote was just for funsies, I actually thought he was town the whole time! LOL 1. I never pressured Sinani. 2. I never pressured dreamflower either, I responded to her questions and found some things weird. 3. The Jackal vote is what's called a pressure vote. I know how to do one, unlike you (who actually declares it to be a pressure vote rofl) Also, you don't even know when to use a pressure vote (you don't use it day 1...you use it when you need information critically) 4. That wasn't sheeping. I already had you on my watchlist on day 1. Way to forget. + Show Spoiler + On September 17 2011 16:19 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm fine with lynching Nisani. In hindsight I'm want to believe Jackal's claim because I had a town read on him all game. It doesn't add up to what I see in his behavior for him and tnkted to be scumbuddies. I just feel stupid because my entire case on tnkted is thrown out the window (for now, at least). Nisani was my #2 choice, so I won't be complaining there. ##unvote Jackal ##vote Nisani201 See above. On Jackal, I always find it hard to read him. However, I had a gut feeling he was town from the start or I'd have accused him day 1. When he came out of nowhere and said tnkted was confirmed I was like wtf? so I pressured him into providing more information. I backed off when his response was clearly a town response, and when I had the information that I was seeking. There's also his quote wall against me, which suffered heavily from filter syndrome, where one solely uses posts found in filter to attack someone, without looking at context. It is most commonly found among scum, but it is also a product of bad town play Nisani can you say "hypocrite?" You accuse me (wrongly) of using only the filter function to attack you, when it's clear you've done nothing but do that to me. Lol. If you actually had read the context of my posts you'd know the motivations behind me voting tnkted, Jackal, Lucidity, etc. | ||
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On September 22 2011 11:05 Nisani201 wrote: you guys are stupid lynch this one. | ||
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Now IMO we need to lynch Nisani, else we'll be in an (IMO) unwinnable situation. Lucidity is also an acceptable lynch to me, since he basically posited that we should give up if Forumite flipped town. He also seemed to dislike the fact that apparently no one was defending Forumite but he didn't do anything about it. I'll be back after class in a few hours. | ||
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On September 23 2011 02:27 Lucidity wrote: We can't know in a closed setup. And scum might hit a vet/protected player. WBG: I didn't like it, but I still thought he could be scum. The fact is the deadline is at 4AM for me, so I miss the last ~4 hours every time. Was it you or Jackal that also tried to blame me for "disappearing near the deadline" on Day 2 when we no lynched? Lol'd. Timezones people. And maybe I have been giving scum too much credit. Perhaps it does consist of Cyber_Cheese and Nisani. (+Jackal) I'm not comprehending Jackal's link to you though. Jackal saved you from lynch on Day 2. He tried to get Nisani's stone to you yesterday. He clearly likes you. butwai It wasn't me and I don't think I've blamed you for missing the deadline. I did blame Nisani once for being a hypocrite and saying, well I don't expect Forumite or Lucidity to be around since they're probably sleeping but then calling me out for inactivity a few hours later when I was sleeping. Finally, I don't really understand what you're talking about with Jackal. I could say the same about you and Nisani, in fact. You didn't want to lynch him, and you seem to defend him quite vigorously. In fact, you defend him far more than Nisani defends himself. (wtf?) This is why I posit that you and Nisani could be scumbuddies. | ||
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IMO those inconsistencies still haven't been explained fully, but whatever. I believe the case on Nisani is the strongest on any player currently in the game. If he flips mafia then we additionally know Curu is likely town. If you're town, Lucidity, then I would agree with you that the scum team is very likely to be Nisani/Cheese/Erandor. | ||
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this exchange between nisani erandor and curu is hella shady | ||
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you come in without wrning suggesting we lynch him then Erandor and Curu show up? that's a little weird man | ||
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I'll love and tolerate the shit out of you when you've proven yourself an asset to town | ||
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Only mafia benefit from withholding information from us. Lucidity and Curu, you need to post before night ends. There's no reason to wait on telling us your reads. | ||
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Worst day ever! | ||
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my favorite ep 16: | ||
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"keep makin fun of her an find out!" "in HISTory maybe" loool | ||
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I'll be back when I'm done with everything. Seeing as the game is stalled I don't think this should be a problem. | ||
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I "nailed" tnkted day 1 hahaha | ||
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That's what I've learned with lurkers in mafia games, majority of the time they've bored/incompetent VTs. In chaos's case he had RL obligations or w.e. You should've checked tnkted or Curu night one. Tnkted because I was pushing him real hard as the alternate wagon, and Curu cause sinani flipped town. Ofc Curu would've showed up inn but it's better than nothing. You could' e checked me too to see why I was pushing tnkted when no one else was | ||
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On September 24 2011 10:17 Mig wrote: Checking lurkers is completely fine WBG, and can often times be the best play. Many many games feature someone on mafia team lurking pretty hard + you have nothing to go on for forming reads with a lurker since they don't have posts. At least you can analyze the posts of someone being active. Along with that if you check someone who was a lynch candidate they may very well end up lynched the next day regardless of what your check comes back as. In which case your check would be wasted. Idk IMO it's better to use scumhunting to paint targets and then confirm suspicions that way. Lurkers never really get high up on my radar cause there are always scummier people out there. The way I described that to Greymist is exactly how I played tracker in XLIV. Night 1 I checked Foolishness, who I knew was a vet and wasn't on the Sevryn bandwagon. Night 2 my choice was between you and Chaoser (both scum) and I chose you. Night 3 it was between chaoser and bum, (again both scum) chose bum. Died next night. Had I chosen lurkers like Lucidity, Vain, Rayzor, xt etc that game I would've been fucked | ||
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On September 24 2011 10:25 GreYMisT wrote: The reasoning was that both jackal and tnkted were given a piece of harmony. Jackal said they should hold onto their pieces. However, tntked, believing he would die at night gave his piece to jackal. He viewed this move as highly unlikely from a scum player who would not know the power of the item. There were many glaring problems with tnkted's play, things I tried to point out but knew would get bandwagoned as soon I tried. Sure enough, when I voiced my doubt I took the majority of the lynch attention. Basically tnkted's claim was terrible because 1. The timing, IIRC it came out after the daypost 2. There was absolutely no reason for him to think he'd be shot. 3. He was a lynch target (people were agreeing with me about lynching him) so there's no reason mafia would shoot him rather than attempt an easy lynch Town failed to see those things and got punished for it when Forumite didn't have the guts to hammer my lynch. | ||
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On September 24 2011 11:11 Mig wrote: I think wbg you haven't been in many games where mafia have really lurked, which isn't the norm. Mafia in general post when it is convenient for them, not for the town. If mafia sees the town is going down the path of a mislynch on their own then often times they will sit back and let the town self destruct without really commenting on what is going on. For example look at personality mafia. The town did horribly on their own and mislynched multiple times without mafia interference. So the entire mafia team just lurked and did nothing that game. It is really very very common for mafia to lurk and blend in. So if I am a dt and I see a mislynch I don't check the person who is being active and pushing the mislynch (if you think they are scum you can generally build a case and get them lynched without the check), I check someone who wasn't around or didn't really comment on what was going on. So basically if someone is active and misleading the town you have enough information to form your opinions and build cases to get them lynched, you don't need the check. But when someone is sitting out of the discussion the check maybe the only way you have to determine their alignment and get them lynched if they actually are scum. Idkwhenever I suspect lurkers they're always town lol. In XLIV my only lurker target, Kurumi, was town. Luckily I died the same night so it didn't matter, but, still... I agree with you about bigger games and town misleading themselves, IMO. this is why towns née to punish lurking and they need to force lurkers to participate. IMO a single contradiction goes a long way to nailing scum. That's how I got ON in resurrection, how you were caught in XLIV, and why I thought Dr. h was scum in LoTR and Palmar was scum in SMG. IMO there's a line between lurker and scummy lurker. In small games you need to push those scummy lurkers till you get a read and in bigger games the vigs need to do their jobs. But I understand it's probably different since I haven't really seen a game chock full of lurkers. | ||
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On September 24 2011 12:21 sinani206 wrote: MY READS WERE RIGHT AGAIN FUCK YOU ALL GOODNIGHT dude you had like no town cred whatsoever | ||
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On September 24 2011 13:12 tnkted wrote: I don't think bugs is giving me credit. I'm proud of my play; if it seemed off it was because he knew what was really going on. @bugs: did you guys think traitor? that was what I was going for. You guys didn't notice during the game, but go back and look through my posts. I did a lot of work to get confirmed townie, and it paid off; I managed to get almost all of the elements and also managed to direct towns attention on the elements the whole time. I managed to avoid being lynched by lying about what the elements did (bulletproof? lol) and SIMULTANIOUSLY by being completely useless to town. Did I want to do analysis? Yes. I had erranor pegged as mafia day 2. I had WBG pegged day 3. But I didn't say anything because I didn't want to get hit. Curu I honestly thought was town, gj curu. Town would have lost anyway. I was going to claim that generosity had given me alignment check and I had checked jackal and gotten mafia. ZECORA OP BEST GAME EVER @GM: you should post roles. BTW my role had an extra vote (which I was planning to use on jackal at the last moment if things went bad) and also a power that made me require one extra vote, so once forumite was lynched I would have won no matter what. You weren't acting town, I didn't give a shit what your alignment was cause I was scum. If I was town I would've lynched you if that meant my death. | ||
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We didn't buy the bulletproof claim. But, it was WIFOM as to which one of you had the prot. Also in retrospect it would've made no sense to shoot you anyway since you weren't doing anything for town. No one was making sense. So we shot to get additional deaths. That was pretty much it. | ||
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If you accuse us of being scum and are correct, we don't really care unless you actually have good reasons. No one had good reasons for lynching me day 2 and that's how I was able to manipulate a no lynch. If you guys made a case against me I'd have been hammered, but I was being lynched for the wrong reasons to begin with. Also that PM slip with respect to the times actually was a slip. I straight up derped and didn't read the time on the PM, I just assumed it was N1 because I received the piece after my role PM and before the whole piece claiming deal. | ||
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