EPTAlso i get internet at my place on saturday, so friday is a decent start time for me. I can always walk over here (campus) to get it.
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Also i get internet at my place on saturday, so friday is a decent start time for me. I can always walk over here (campus) to get it. | ||
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## BUS CHAOS13 FORUMITE ## NUKE CHAOS13 ## END DAY | ||
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Honey badger? ## Reveal: Honey Badger | ||
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Oooo I should host a MST3K game sometime. You are Rowsdower! You are a beer drinkin, cigarette smokin', rough and tumble Canadian hero, eh! You have the abillity to kick ass despite your large protruding beer belly and unkempt, ugly beard. You can kill one person every night, but if you don't hit mafia, you drink yourself into a coma and lose your power! | ||
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You know what I think it is that I dislike so much? His voice. Ugh. That voice actor is trying way too hard to sound edgy. Applebloom is probably my favorite. Thats the little pony, right? The "Ponette"? With the bow? That or the zebra one with the rhymes and shit, that dude is pretty baller as well. Also, question: Whats the ratio of male to female ponies? Almost all of the ponies in the show (other than rainbow retard) are girls. How do they reproduce? Do these ponies lay eggs, or do they have mammalian births? and how in the hell did southern dixy pony get her hat? you need a thumb in order to sew hats. | ||
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Also, the game I was in, she absolutely nailed somebody on my scumteam and nobody listened to her. She was killed that night. Don't sell yourself short. :D | ||
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I want to shift town conversation back to Greymyst. On September 13 2011 06:42 GreYMisT wrote: Sadly I have to agree with Dream, and echo what she said. We pretty much haw a very long day 1 with no roles or anything but a very general plan to discuss. I have only played with a few of you, but from the games I have read we will do well if we can maintain a good atmosphere, as we have right now. Because we also don't know how many or what type of roles exist, we need to focus on logic and behavioral analysis, rather than hope for power roles to carry us. I think we should process forward assuming no blues exist. Now I wanted to wait until after the nightpost to say this, but jackie beat me to it. This is a crazy scummy post. Its sheepy, and its a poor attempt to blend in with everyone, etc. His response to the pressure everyone gave him was this: On September 13 2011 09:06 GreYMisT wrote: I prefer policy posts and "plans" to the spam and trolling it takes to get some games started on day 1. Would you rather I didn't post at all? I feel that at least gets everyone on the same page. Otherwise we don't know where anyone stands on the mechanics of the game, and judging from games I have read on here that seems to muck up later days. Okay, lets look at the appeals he makes here. He doesn't try to defend his scummy post at all; instead he appeals to the emotional ("Would you rather I didn't post at all?") and then basically restates his first sentence. This is NOT how you react to pressure. A true townie would read their post and either say, "That wasn't scummy at all!" Or they'd defend themselves and explain what they meant. Greymyst did neither. Oh, and then the rest of his posts are all about the d1 post and the clues it might contain, which successfully shields him from having to hunt for scum. ## Vote Greymyst | ||
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I'll hop on the originalname bandwagon until he perks his pony little head up. ## Unvote ## Vote OriginalName Also, do these smaller games not have voting threads? Are voting threads going away? | ||
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On September 14 2011 03:46 tnkted wrote: Yeah, I'm backing off greymyst for now, his defence wasn't convincing but the manner of it has mollified me for now. And as for contributing jack shit: I posted a small little analysis on Greymyst, he responded to my FoS and I'm satisfied with the way he responded. If you don't think that's enough contribution for day one, too fucking bad. I have a life, you know. | ||
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On September 14 2011 05:19 wherebugsgo wrote: Why would you say his defense wasn't convincing then? It's as if you put both things in there just to be safe. Your analysis on Greymist didn't seem genuine to me, that's why I'm jumping all over you now. Would YOU say his defense was convincing? It was basically him clarifying what he said. What he said was still scummy. But if you read it, you start to get a sense of the guy. I think he's a townie that doesn't want to get lynched day 1. Newbies often think that everyone will think their posts are super scummy - I did - and so they focus all their attention on what people will think of what they write and end up looking scummier than they meant to. That's what I think happened with Greymyst. | ||
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On September 14 2011 06:49 Curu wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=261732 Required reading. You can just filter sinani's posts if you want, but then you'd miss people repeatedly asking him to start making an effort and him flat out refusing. Most anti Town player in the game. This lynch needs to happen. I dont have time to read this other game, can you summarize what he did? Until you do, I'm leaving my vote on you. ## Unvote OriginalName ## Vote Curu | ||
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On September 14 2011 13:32 Curu wrote: tnkted and dreamflower, I'd like your thoughts on DroneAllDay and Lucidity. ... tnkted has kept his vote on me because ON was a lurker. I'm obviously not lurking. Offer up some more thoughts, on me or whoever else because you don't have that excuse anymore. Fair enough, You certainly haven't been lurking. ##Unvote My thoughts on DroneAllDay: I don't think he's posted since the day started, which means he's probably going to get modkilled. Perhaps he hasn't checked his pms in awhile? Either way, I think he's going to get himself dead without anybody's help (@Dreamflower: This is one of the main reasons NOT to lynch lurkers; they tend to get themselves modkilled anyway and we waste a lynch). My thoughts on lucidity: his post analyzing dreamflower was extremely interesting because it was well done. I don't know if I agree with his conclusions, but his method was very effective: It paraphrased the important aspects of dreamflower's post, and interpreted them in order to understand what dreamflower was really talking about. THIS is a good way to find scum. Now, why he chose dreamflower and nobody else is kind of interesting; Dreamflowers scumhunting abilities are so legendary (for me anyway) that I have a hard time believing she intended to come across as scummy as she did. I want to hear her response before I vote for her. Also interesting to note is that lucidity didn't actually vote her himself; he's also waiting for a response. For what it's worth, right now dreamflower is my #1 vote but I'll abstain until she shows up to defend herself. Eh, what the hell. I can always change it later. ##Vote: Dreamflower I have no self control. Now, to deal with some mindless accusations: On September 14 2011 21:08 chaos13 wrote: Just did a little re-reading myself. I have two main suspects. Forumite and tnkted. This post was the reason I backed off on Forumite Namely the first line. I read that and went "Yeah, he kinda has", but after going over those posts again, he's probably scum. Take a look at tnkted's case here. I'd be willing to say he's a better town player than this. I don't have time to make a full analysis of him right now and I probably won't anyway since we need a majority to lynch. So vote Forumite. ##unvote ##Vote Forumite Frankly, this is a complete nonsense post. "Tnkted makes a good point about forumite not being scum, which convinced me, but later, i changed my mind and now I think he's scum too!" WHY did you change your mind when what I said made sense to you? Go find me evidence where he stopped acting like an annoyed townie and more like a frightened scum, and I'll consider switching to you. Please post a case against me instead of just throwing out soft foses. You think people don't notice when you do this? | ||
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On September 14 2011 22:36 chaos13 wrote: It can always get more cluttered. Are you saying my giant post on Forumite wasn't an explanation of why I'm voting for him? I was pretty sure I outlined it fairly well there. I don't think its a good explanation, if my ONE SENTENCE was enough to convince you that you were wrong. | ||
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@ dreamflower: I think he was saying that I was wishy washy because I made it clear in my post that I was pressure voting you. I'm not sure, he wasn't very clear before either. | ||
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Deflection attention On September 13 2011 07:34 Lucidity wrote: I was a goon in AA. A Vet in Kurumi's TF2 themed mafia and VT in XLIII. 2 of those games were PM games and I was pretty inactive in XLIII, so my meta on TL is pretty useless. This is a small game so there shouldn't be too many posts. However little there may be to read, a lurker or two is bound to pop up. What are your thoughts on how to deal with them? Translation: "My meta on TL is pretty useless, don't even try to understand me or my motives. I'm unreadable. Yeah baby. Total badass." But just so that nobody forgets this important fact (ie, if he seems scummy its just because you don't know his meta, so be unsure about everything) he posts it again. On September 13 2011 22:08 Lucidity wrote: I played as a Goon and a Vet in PM games, so a lot of discussion is not in the thread at all. I've played 1 game as Green, 1 as Blue and 1 as Red. I don't think I have any kind of reliable meta on here. Soft FoSes Then he throws this weird, semi-FOS on dreamflower but doesn't commit to a vote or even any sort of honest pressure on her, asking her to explain herself. You'll note that he didn't have any trouble throwing a vote on forumite, or any of the people after his dreamflower analysis. On September 14 2011 19:55 Lucidity wrote: Essentially this post served two purposes:
Lynching lurkers should be a last resort. Going after lurkers (and by lurkers she actually means INACTIVES) allows scum to not offer any opinions and simply sheep onto an easy vote. This is not an ideal situation to say the least. She discredits the cases against Forumite and Greymist, by simply saying that she doesn't like post by post analysis and that she thinks townies are accusing townies. Could you explain why you think townies are accusing townies dreamflower? You offer no reason to doubt the case based on actual discussion points. Simply "oh I'm unconvinced". Note the displeasure when she sees that someone else voted Forumite. So instead of waiting for other's opinions on the LaL strategy she proposed, she goes ahead with it to try and divert attention away from real scum hunting by voting for DroneAllDay. Look at the reasoning in that post.
She thinks his defense is inept. But somehow he does not deserve any attention. Instead she "guesses" she'll vote for DroneAllDay. Point? She's defending Forumite with no real reasoning. She puts her vote on an inactive, not a lurker. The part highlighted in red essentially explains why ON is where her vote should be. DroneAllDay is an inactive, which she doesn't want to go for. She wants lurkers, and ON is one. Yet her vote stays on DroneAllDay. She dedicates an entire paragraph to explaining why DAD is a bad vote, and then doesn't change it. Then she goes on to try and push the LaL objective. We shouldn't be lynching for information. DEFINITELY not on Day 1. We should be hunting scum. Lynching lurkers (inactives) is not scum hunting. It doesn't give us any information, which you think is important? Yet you still advocate lynching lurkers. Going after "real" targets actually DOES offer us information ito voting patterns, defenses e t c . Not that, that is our first priority, but it blows your LaL policy out of the water. tl;dr Defends Forumite and greymist with no reasoning. Pushes anti-town objective of lynching inactives instead of scum hunting. (Note that she really means inactives when she says lurkers, even though she indicated otherwise. Her posts make that clear enough.) But thats not the only soft FOS he throws out. Here's some snide remark about curu, undermining towns confidence in him: On September 14 2011 20:03 Lucidity wrote: I'll delve into that Curu/sinani/nisani shitstorm later. Curu has scarred me with his brilliant Mafia play in XLIII(IV)? No matter how town he looks I'm always going to be doubting him now -_- Bandwagoning It begins with forumite: On September 13 2011 20:29 Lucidity wrote: Do you think you have saved Jackal from a lynch? He has done nothing scummy so far and was certainly nowhere close to being lynched. Is that some scum-guilt overreaction I'm seeing? There are many scenarios where we can't trust a DT check. We don't know their sanity, we don't know if there is a framer or millers, there could be fake claims. Even if you didn't consider a framer, the plan didn't make sense and my main point is that you contradicted yourself w.r.t. the use of Blue roles. But it doesn't seem as if you're going to address that. Vote: Forumite Then has that post on dreamflower above, but he doesn't commit. Instead, he hops on four (five?) wagons at once, but commits to sinani. What this does is throw suspicion on several people, but commits to the easiest lynch. On September 15 2011 08:01 Lucidity wrote: Man. Why is everyone scummy. chaos13/sinani/Forumite/tnkted... I can't tell if Curu tried to cause chaos or if he's just being really aggressive... Policy lynching someone for actions in another game isn't something I think a good player would do. Curu hasn't advocated it in other games with Kenpachi/Kurumi as far as I'm aware, and he basically views them as unreadable too. Of these I think sinani is our best bet... Both in terms of getting the required numbers and in terms of likely scum. The reactions surrounding Curu's attack on him are quite suspect. ##Unvote ##Vote sinani On September 15 2011 08:40 Lucidity wrote: Can everypony stop with the name calling? There's no need to be rude. I think tnkted is a great choice, but is his lynch a realistic possibility? I won't be here for the lynch so I feel safer leaving my vote on sinani. WBG: In what world could sinani and Curu both be scum? TLDR: Lucidity is scum. He's trying to blend in by throwing out soft FOSes and hopping on wagons. Vigs should hit him tonight, and we should vote him tomorrow. | ||
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On September 16 2011 03:40 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm on my phone and just reading, don't have much time. I'll be back in an hour or two when I have computer access to clarify as much as I can. Dreamflower, my case on tnkted yesterday was basically three things: He's had a few situations in which he's been wishy washy. He backed off Greymist despite saying his defense was unsatisfactory. He sheeped Lucidity's opinion and randomly voted you. He didn't seem to contribute anything. I didn't sheep anyones opinion. Stop making blanket statements without any evidence. I also didn't randomly vote anyone, I posted my reasons for doing so. Lastly, he has an air of wanting to blend in to me. I feel like his posts don't actually contribute anything, there is a feeling of feigned contribution. This isn't analysis or logical at all. In fact, it is exactly what you accused me of: "Trying to blend in without contributing anything". "He feels scummy" is a terrible reason in forum mafia when somebody's life is on the line. Theres literally no way for me to respond to this because I can't change how you feel. Luckily, you can't change how anyone else feels either. If you think I'm scum, go find evidence for it. All I can say to that is good luck. This case on Lucidity is really weak. Lucidity is the same person he said yesterday had great logic on Dreamflower; tnkted even sheeped Lucidity's vote yesterday. Did you even read my post? I addressed this. You don't make any sense, silly pony. | ||
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On September 17 2011 06:41 Lucidity wrote: If you are town you've basically let scum know that you've got some special powerz. There's no point in trying to hide that now, is there? I'm going to let jackal answer this. I only know one piece of the puzzle more than you guys do and I don't know how jackal wants to release the info. | ||
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If you know what we're talking about, you know what we're talking about. We don't know about you, which is bad, but neither does scum, which is good; if you can communicate with us, talk to jackal. Otherwise, go ahead and throw your chips at us; me and jackal were the lucky two in that we could PM each other. If you don't know what we're talking about, it's probably not important to you. Rely on the townies that do to pull their shit together. By the way, we got incredibly lucky that jackal is town. @Jackie: I think you can give them a little more info tbh (IE my side of the story) but it's up to you. Mafia already knows what's going on. | ||
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On September 17 2011 20:18 Lucidity wrote: Why are you not pushing my lynch tnkted? What are you asking here? Are you asking why im not pushing for your lynch anymore, or why I'm not pushing for your lynch target? | ||
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2.) Sevryn 3.) Lucidity - Third party? Something is off about his play 4.) Forumite 5.) GreYMisT 6.) DroneAllDay 7.) Jackal58 8.) Nisani201 9.) Curu 10.) 11.) 12.) tnkted 13.) wherebugsgo This is all gut, and if it differs from stuff I posted previously thats because my attention span is the length of this senta | ||
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On September 18 2011 01:47 Lucidity wrote: So your plan to save a townie is to ... sacrifice yourself ... a townie ... ? I think that hes saying that you can lynch either one of us to confirm the alignment of the other. He doesn't offer me up because that would be incredibly scummy on his part; his own lynch is the only one he can honorably offer. | ||
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and @ lucidity: I still don't think you're green, but I'm considering the possibility that you're blue, if you really want to force me to reveal this in thread. You aren't a regular townie. I think you could be some sort of third party. Either way, your posts come across as someone who does not want to get lynched and who takes very calculated risks which isn't really a townie characteristic. | ||
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WBG is almost certainly town at this point. You should either pass that shit along or keep it, but don't tell anyone what you do. It doesn't look like we have any vigs or I'd be dead, and mafia only has one kill. | ||
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lol ## vote Forumite I got my element after n1, not d1. You were a full 2 IRL days early. Which means everyone else did as well, which means you're gambitting. | ||
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I could have been given the piece n1 instead, but this was when everyone thought I was scummy. Why would anyone give it to me when I was the #1 scum suspect? | ||
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On September 18 2011 06:15 Forumite wrote: Jackal isn´t in the PM-circle anymore, it closed once they combined their element. We can openly talk about combining in this thread, because once it´s combined, we can confirm eachother, then move it around to avoid loosing it to a nightkill. Don´t fear scum reading this yet, just tell me if you believe my early breadcrumbs. If you do, please send me your part, if not, then we have to solve this some other way, before we loose a piece to a nightkill. My early breadcrumbs: + Show Spoiler + On September 13 2011 18:03 Forumite wrote: Nightmare Moon is more likely the leader of the Scum, represented in flavor or by a player, rather than a third party. The Daypost includes the usual death of someone, loads of flavor, and the three lines of things happening. The elements of harmony are the only thing that stand out there. Honesty and all that, going to the Ever Free Forest to find some rocks is only half of our problems, the real problem is finding scum, and it´s been quiet since the pressure on me. The real day just started, this is not the time to get complacent. On September 17 2011 08:26 Forumite wrote: This is not the best start we could have given ourselves. I honestly thought we had a good chance on this lynch, all the elements seemed to fall into place, acting scummy, odd defenders, reluctant votes, obviously we were only half right, looked scummy, wasn´t scum. We just have to piece together what we have. There should be a lot of interest about the day and voting, but I doubt the nightkill will shine much light on scum, scum want us to WIFOM. Open actions are what we have to work with, kind of odd. Hmmm, too fluffy, whatever. Jackal, why Curu? Forumite says that he crumbed his item day 1. Problem is, nobody else (me, WBG, nor jackal) got our items until n1. This means that either Forumite got ONE HALF of the piece of honesty a day earlier than everyone else (which is ridiculous) or he's lying to get a piece of the puzzle for the scumteam. He's never had an item. I'm guessing that the element of honesty hasn't been split at all; just because ours was doesn't mean honesty is. WBG, if your item says it was split in half it probably was. Otherwise, it wasn't. BTW I'm not basing my proclaimations of towniness on the fact that they have items, I'm basing it on other stuff. WBG is probtown because he crumbed his shit when he knew what was happening and because he's been acting like a townie who can't communicate with people he needs to. He's not confirmed to the town at large, but he is to me. WBG: DO NOT GIVE THE ITEM TO FORUMITE. Today we lynch Forumite, the scum I caught red-handed. Tonight we shuffle the items around so that scum doesn't know who to hit, and we'll deal with tomorrow when we get there. Sound good to everyone? | ||
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On September 18 2011 07:01 Curu wrote: Do you guys really think GM would would confirm a third of the players in the game as Town by giving them items? Confirming people as Town or scum based on whether or not they have an item is stupid. tnkted why did you think you were going to die N1? From what I saw you were the second leading wagon at the end of day 1, what made you think scum would shoot you? er, because i was the second leading wagon? Mafia games usually have vigs, and all the people I thought were vigs thought I was scum. I was certain that I was going to be drawing a hit. The fact that I wasn't probably means that there are no vigs in this game. | ||
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Maybe you should post some information on the item that only WBG would know, and he can confirm or deny. Maybe post all of the capital letters from the item PM. | ||
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And your PMs probably are identical. I haven't checked with jackal, but I'm pretty sure ours was. If not, I'll post all the caps from my PM and he can read and tell me if his was the same (with the J in mine obviously being a T in his). Either way, you shouldn't be afraid to post all the capital letters from the post. Or maybe if you think THATS too revealing, post every 7th character (not including spaces). If parts of it line up, then WBG will say so and we'll know that you have the piece. YOU should be trying to find a way to make this work, as its the only way to confirm you town when right now you've been caught lying to town. Maybe think about that instead of throwing dust in the air? | ||
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When I say I recieved my role n1, I mean that the date and time on my PM are on the 15th. Your 'crumbs' are on the 13th. It makes zero sense for the items to be handed out | ||
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I haven't recieved anything itemwise yet. I'd still be happy to lynch lucidity. BTW I'm going to combine this shit, use it if its an item, and then send it away somewhere to someone I believe is town so that it doesn't get RNG'd when/if I die. ## Unvote ## Vote: Lucidity | ||
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Wait, how many pieces of this thing are there in the show? If there's six, then we've found them all, right? I get more powers as this thing is collected. Right now I have a one shot name check on somebody (ie, not an alignment or role check, just a name check) that I think I'm going to use on somebody. Here's my plan: Yall give me the pieces you got. I find out what they all do / combine them. We lynch someone today (lucidity?) and then I disperse the items among townies (or use it, not telling mafia which) Since you get the item instantly (ie not at the end of the cycle) town will have three or four new powers which they can then use tonight. Tomorrow we collect them again and use them. I'll post who got what right before the daypost. I have no idea what happens when we combine everything, but I do know that it will be something ridiculous. I doubt we'll get all 5 or 6 items (there's no way mafia is going to hand off their item and give town a killproof-dt or whatever) but hopefully we'll get a DT ability which we can then claim to the thread. TLDR Give me your shit, I'll combine it and spread it so I don't get killed with it. | ||
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@ Jackal: Send me your piece and I'll see what happens when the pieces are combined. Then I'll send it back or use it or something depending on what it is. Also, what are your thoughts on lucidity, WBG and forumite? @ WBG, Forumite: what powers did the shards of honesty have before they were combined? If I'm reading this correctly, either both forumite and WBG are scum and lying about the time they got their items (which doesn't make any sense since I DID recieve both shards, so weren't lying about having them) or neither of them are lying about the timing (which doesn't make any sense since virtually everyone else in the game with an item got it on n1). We got us a pickle here. I'm thinking we might have to lynch one of them to find out which I'm loath to do, but I can't see another way out of this mess. | ||
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On September 19 2011 06:33 Lucidity wrote: Are you fucking with me? She has been completely inactive. I haven't seen scum being modkilled before so I put it on hold. I'm pretty sure the replacement is for her. She has had scummy ideas wrt lurkers and no lynch, but WBG is much more scummy imo. You're willing to lynch me because I'm not going after an inactive player? That's terrible. How am I more scummy than WBG? Explain this to me please. WBG's role as tracker only explains his tunneling of one candidate on his last day. The rest of his play was not influenced by that. WBG voted for tnkted AND jackal while he apparently believed their claim. Explain this to me. WBG forgot when he received the element of harmony. Explain this to me. !@$^&@#^ WBG repeatedly pointed out how scummy sinani was, but "never supported the lynch". EXPLAIN THIS TO ME. Forumite SKIMMED MY ANALYSIS. SKIMMED. What the fuck is that. This is retarded. If you're town, how can you possibly think your contribution is passable greymist? What do you think about the fact that I recieved both forumite and WBG's pieces? They weren't lying about having them at all. Which means that they probably aren't lying about when they got them either. How does that fit in the pattern? | ||
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On September 19 2011 06:49 Jackal58 wrote: I'm thinking Lucidity is probably town. I think he's wrong but right now I'm thinking he's probably town. Sevryn, Curu and Cyber_Cheese need some love though. ##VOTE: Sevryn What were your thoughts about my plan to combine the items? | ||
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On September 19 2011 06:44 tnkted wrote: What do you think about the fact that I recieved both forumite and WBG's pieces? They weren't lying about having them at all. Which means that they probably aren't lying about when they got them either. How does that fit in the pattern? This is the third time you've been asked this and you have ignored it every time, which is weird, since (if it can be reconciled) its the strongest part of your analysis. | ||
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On September 19 2011 06:58 Lucidity wrote: Because it didn't match up with the N1 claims of tnkted and Jackal. I refuse to believe that he forgot when he got the item. It is inconceivable. Jackal, how is Sevryn the best candidate? I cannot imagine that all 4 people who have elements are pro-town. Of those 4, Forumite and WBG have been acting the scummiest. I agree that it is bizarre that he forgot when he got the item, it's super weird that they both got it d1, but he wasn't lying about HAVING IT. Which means that they definately recieved the items, which means they have zero reason to lie about when they got them. Are you following what I'm saying? Also I think three other people have items as well (curu nisani and somebody else). Toss that shit my way yo, I'll throw it back when I know what the dealio with 'em is. | ||
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On September 19 2011 07:10 Lucidity wrote: He had no choice but to give up his piece at that point. I didn't notice that he only said it was Day 1 after Nisani confirmed your claim. That makes it even more scummy. No, you're not following me. What I'm saying is that since they both had pieces it doesn't make sense for them to lie about the time they got them. Lucidity, buddy, I want you to convince me since you are acting so town right now. I agree with you that it's incredible that WBG and forumite got their shit d1 and that WBG forgot when he got his piece, but I can't wrap my head around the fact that there is ZERO reason for them to have lied. And @ Jackal: if there are really 12 pieces in the game, then that means everybody but lucidity got one, which means that when siani and chaos died their pieces were RNG'd which means two people got an extra shard, which means that they should claim so. | ||
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On September 19 2011 07:18 Lucidity wrote: I listed possible reasons earlier tnkted. Judging by how convinced you were Forumite was scum for having it on Day 1, it made sense for WBG to stay on his N1 claim. Can you quote your reasons? (also it makes it easier for me to read what exactly you're responding to if you quote my post when you respond) And yes, that's why either they both have to be scum or they both have to be town; as scum, bussing forumite there was the correct thing to do. | ||
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On September 19 2011 08:07 Lucidity wrote: Erm? And nice work on the false dilemma. The alternative is LYNCHING SCUM IN WBG. Not a no lynch. And riddle me this: Why did WBG vote for both you and Jackal at a stage that he claims he believed you were town? Please read the part of my analysis on WBG that deals with you and the claims at least. And comment on it. Why am I more scummy than WBG? Everyone that votes for me needs to state this clearly so that we can find the scum on me after I die. @Everyone: I haven't played with tnkted before. Is he considered a good player? Fine. The point is to avoid a nolynch. You're still on my watchlist though. I read your entire analysis, so stop implying that I haven't. I'm not going to go through and comment on every section of it, but I found much of it compelling if not entirely convincing. To me, our best options for the lynch are you and WBG, and the evidence for both of you is somewhat contradictory. I'm uneasy about both lynches but I'm even more uneasy about nolynching, so I'll take the sweeter poison and ## Unvote ## Vote: Wherebugsgo Your last line is a huuuge example of douchebaggery by the way, acting like a cock isn't going to convince anyone, and you certainly aren't endearing yourself to the confirmed townie with a medic protect. | ||
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FTR I'd rather not lynch jackal because he's the only other townie I feel 100% on | ||
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On September 19 2011 19:30 Lucidity wrote: You forgot scenario #4. tnkted is scum and Jackal is town. I think out of #3 and #4, #4 is more likely. tnkted had made no mention about his element or that he gave it to Jackal in the thread. Jackal could have easily killed him if he were red. I think #3 can almost be completely disregarded. #4 however makes sense if we consider that tnkted was the first in line to be lynched on Day 2. Doing what he did saved his skin on Day 2, there's no doubt about that. If we're going to lynch someone to confirm a townie, it should be tnkted to confirm Jackal, not the other way around. Lynching Jackal doesn't confirm anything. But we shouldn't be lynching to confirm anyone anyway. Please stop suggesting that o; The info we gain should be a byproduct of us hunting scum. I'm done with assuming tnkted is town. For most of Day 2 I assumed that his play was that of a Townie making mistakes. I'm not going to be giving him that leeway anymore. I went in to Day 2 believing he was scummy. His actions during the lynch saga between me and WBG were scummy. I'll have a closer look at it today. WBG: How did you forget when you got the element? I can't fathom how such a thing could ever happen. Please try to make me understand it. At anyone who pushed for a no lynch who is actually town: You suck. At inactive replacements who turn out to be inactive themselves............ You suck. Er, if I was scum, why wouldn't I just give my item to a scumbuddy? Why wouldn't I just kill jackal? You haven't explained that because it doesn't make sense in this fantasy of yours. Also, His actions during the lynch saga between me and WBG were scummy. I'll have a closer look at it today. oh hush. I flip flopped all day yesterday, I'll be the first to admit it, but if that was scummy under the circumstances (our two lynch targets were putting up humongous defences, and both were pushing blame on the other), blow harder. I figured since everyone knew my alignment I could spend my time actually trying to organize a lynch rather than commiting to a wagon I was unsure of. You've said it yourself; lynch of you was preferable to a nolynch, and the same goes for a lynch of WBG. In fact, it was your willingness to be lynched that convinced me you were more town than WBG which is why my vote stayed there, even after he mounted a vigorous defence. So cut me a little slack here, bro. | ||
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On September 19 2011 19:30 Lucidity wrote: I'm done with assuming tnkted is town.... His actions during the lynch saga between me and WBG were scummy. I'll have a closer look at it today. Is lucidity really going to try to get away without posting the results of 'looking at it' after he gave me no end of shit for not responding to his analysis of me? | ||
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On September 20 2011 08:59 Curu wrote: Yes I did. The post is there somewhere. Did you srsly vanish all day yesterday and JUST appear the second somebody mentions you? | ||
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On September 20 2011 11:00 Forumite wrote: Expecting a post from tnkted... EEP SORRY BAND PRACTICE WENT LATE, THE DRIVER WOULDNT DRIVE ME SO I HAD TO BIKE Okay last night I roleblocked forumite with my role ability (haunting sounds lol) and used the wifom from whether I'd use the bulletproof or the medic to use neither ability and instead used the name check on lucidity. Lucidity is Derpy Hooves, the confused Pegasus. Lucidity, are you some kind of tracker/watcher thingie? Because I think you're confused. Needless to say, I didn't believe your bluff about not having any abilities, and I think this probably confirms that you got something happening. On the plus side, I think you're probably town since it's unlikely that mafia would have a non-sane role. | ||
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Hey yall, if I die due to a daykill or whatever lynch jackal k? | ||
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I gave jackal the items I didn't give jackal the items, and I am lying for the wifom I'll try to post the truth of what I did before the nightkills go through. Otherwise, if jackal would be kind enough to post something like "IF I got the items, I'm going to either use the bulletproof or protect tnkted" What does the element of kindness do? Does it have a power? Are there two shards of it? | ||
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Oh and to answer the questions about my roleblocking ability: It was a one-shot thing, I don't have it anymore (I have a couple of other one shot things and they're all pretty shitty), and I blocked forumite because he was the scummiest. Oh, BTW, the fact that he knew he was blox means that he tried to use an ability last night, which means he has an ability, which means he's either a blue like me or the mafia. | ||
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On September 20 2011 22:14 tnkted wrote: Assuming of course that jackal still trusts me enough to want to save me from a nightkilll, which I think he does considering I just made him a bulletproof medic. Or didn't! | ||
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On September 20 2011 17:38 Lucidity wrote: My role pm does mention that I'm always confused and messing up, but it also says I have no special powers. I'm not sure if there are any blues in this game. All 4 ponies have been green so far. I think our blue roles are all tied up in the stones most likely. I'm not sure if my role PM is just flavour or if it means I'll get opposite results when I use any abilities. Speaking of elements, tnkted, don't send yours to Jackal yet. I don't like that he asked for them so soon. Mafia can only touch you in 72 hours... Why does he need them now? The fact that tnkted revealed this info makes me believe he is town. If he gave away his element of harmony AND confirmed me as town... well, he's creating a lot of trouble for his scum team. I received one part of the element of kindness on Night 2. I propose that everyone who received elements of kindness send them to me. We need some diversity (all eggs in 1 basket and all that) and if you trust tnkted, you can trust me. er, if you're certain I'm town and you're so trustworthy, why wouldn't you just send your stuff to me? And you just received a piece of the element, correct? Can you tell us a little about what it does? | ||
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On September 21 2011 21:35 Forumite wrote: tnkted, you never explained why you roleblocked me. I didn´t have an element, so what were you trying to prevent from happening? Why didn´t you save it for when a scum got into possession of an element instead? I did it because I thought you were scummiest on the field. And there were no other elements in the field at the time when I blocked you, kindness just appeared this morning, and I had the rest of them. What did it block you from doing? I'd be suprised if you recieved a roleblock pm when you didn't try to do anything. | ||
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On September 21 2011 23:25 Jackal58 wrote: Nisani - Give Bugs whatever it is you are holding. Do you think bugs is town? I think they should both give it to one of us tbh | ||
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lol nisani, I HAD the element of honesty. I gave it to jackal, he has it now unless he gave it to somebody else. | ||
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In the meantime (so he knows I'm serious) ##Vote: Nisani | ||
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On September 21 2011 23:44 Nisani201 wrote: OK, when I died and flip Town, you had better kill Jackal. I have confirmed scum and you're voting for the wrong person. Are you admitting scum? My plan has a chance of clearing your ass and you're giving up? What are you afraid of revealing? Perhaps you don't have an element at all? | ||
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Send me this shit and lets see if you're telling the truth or not. | ||
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On September 21 2011 23:50 wherebugsgo wrote: WTF? he goes from honesty to generosity? That is NOT an honest mistake. (rofl pun) sounds like a scumslip gone wrong to me. Wtf? This coming from the guy who took a HUGE amount of heat the other day for misclaiming his pm timing? On September 21 2011 23:50 Erandorr wrote: Give that thing to anyone other that jackal or tnkted (for obvious reasons) and then we take it from there Why anyone other than us? I don't see any obvious reasons at all. | ||
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On September 21 2011 23:53 wherebugsgo wrote: Wtf? I want to point out the fact that, having been caught on this scumslip his only choice is to give away the piece. Him giving away the piece is NOT AN INDICATOR OF ALIGNMENT No its not but it is an indicator that his 'scumslip' was an honest mistake and not a scumslip at all. Which makes him look more town. I'll remind you that I felt the same way about you until I recieved the pieces of honesty from yall, which made me feel that YOU were more town. People who have lived in glass houses and who have had stones thrown at them shouldn't throw stones at their neighbors on glass street. Er, my metaphor kind of ran away from me there, but you get the point. And alright nisani, we just have to wait for GM to send me a PM telling me what's what. In the meantime, ##Unvote. While we wait though, I want jackal's opinion on scum and on what we should do tonight with the items. I propose that (since we can't communicate at night) we use wifom to keep mafia from hitting us. It worked last night, since greymyst died instead of one of the two of us. Mafia knows that we can either protect the other one, or ourselves, and that we will probably do one of them. If mafia hits either of us then town knows that mafia knew who was going to be protected, so they knew it was safe to hit that person. Town then lynches the other one for revealing whats what. So we are probably safe. Just to make sure, and to make sure that scum can't roleblock or steal from the person WITH the items, I propose that we use the same principle of wifom to switch the items around. Let do something like, if by a certain time I don't send you my items, you send yours to me. Mafia won't know which one of us has them since we didn't post anything in thread, but the two of us will know. Then, right before the nightpost, one of us posts what happend. Thoughts? | ||
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On September 22 2011 00:21 wherebugsgo wrote: I just explained to you why him giving you a piece is not an indicator of alignment. Think about it from a mafia perspective. He's been caught lying, fake breadcrumbing, and not reading the thread. His only chance not to get lynched is to take another gambit and send you the piece. I would say the worst, in fact, is the not reading the thread. That means he has no vested interest in scumhunting, just THINK about that before being so ready to believe his claim just because you receive a piece from him. Yes, but if the piece he sends me is truely the element of generosity, then he wasn't caught lying, fake breadcrumbing, OR not reading the thread. He was caught making a mistake. YOU DID THE SAME THING EARLIER THIS GAME, HOW CAN YOU GIVE HIM SHIT FOR IT?! Am I out of my mind? What the hell is happening? Am I not explaining this correctly? | ||
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On September 22 2011 02:32 Curu wrote: tnkted, did it specifically bold the confused part in Lucidity's name or did you just do that yourself? It bolded the entire name. Derpy Hooves, Confused Pegasus. I bolded the confused because I wanted to draw attention to it. Regarding the nisani/forumite thing: I'm thinking forumite is the best lynch today. Given the fact that nisani wasn't lying about the item I don't think he's scum, just acting funky. And lucidity: I think jackal is probably town, although I am (like you) confused by how low he's been laying since he was confirmed town. I also want to see what generosity does when it's combined with the other items, so (just so there isn't any debate about whether he's lying or not) YO JACKAL THROW ME THE ITEMS, LETS SEE WHAT GENEROSITY DOES | ||
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Send me kindness yall, that will bring us to four items (honesty, loyalty, generosity, kindness). I'm asking GM for an update on item powers, but IIRC we'll have one (1) medic protect (due to loyalty) one (1) bulletproof (due to loyalty+honesty) and zero (0) namechecks due to honesty. Don't hold me to that though, GM is gonna pm me the exact item list in a minute. BTW the items are 'humming' really loud now, I think w/ kindness we should have something good. | ||
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On September 22 2011 06:18 Nisani201 wrote: tnkted, when you got the element, did it say that you had to give it to someone else? it said it does nothing in my hands, but I recieved your element before I recieved jackals. so no, it didn't say I had to give it away. Did it say that for you? | ||
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On September 22 2011 06:23 Nisani201 wrote: It said that I had to give it to someone else for it to work. Oh. Well, GM just isn't consistent in his flavor texts then. Whatever, it doesn't matter. What do you guys think the item, when combined, is gonna be? Some sort of super-role? Like, a permantly bulletproof DT with a medic protect and vig shot or something? Votecheck power? | ||
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the pm also says "other pieces". Does that mean that there's an ELEMENT that is supposed to fit into the receptical? Or maybe, since there were three items given out today, generosity fits into kindness. Hmm, we'll see when GM gets back to me. | ||
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Okay, I have 2 pieces of the element of kindness, but "still not enough though". Is scum holding onto another piece? | ||
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You guys didn't notice during the game, but go back and look through my posts. I did a lot of work to get confirmed townie, and it paid off; I managed to get almost all of the elements and also managed to direct towns attention on the elements the whole time. I managed to avoid being lynched by lying about what the elements did (bulletproof? lol) and SIMULTANIOUSLY by being completely useless to town. Did I want to do analysis? Yes. I had erranor pegged as mafia day 2. I had WBG pegged day 3. But I didn't say anything because I didn't want to get hit. Curu I honestly thought was town, gj curu. Town would have lost anyway. I was going to claim that generosity had given me alignment check and I had checked jackal and gotten mafia. ZECORA OP BEST GAME EVER @GM: you should post roles. BTW my role had an extra vote (which I was planning to use on jackal at the last moment if things went bad) and also a power that made me require one extra vote, so once forumite was lynched I would have won no matter what. | ||
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 and when I gave the piece of loyalty to jackal, it really WAS because I thought I was going to get vigged. I thought to myself, hell the entire town thinks you're scum. You're going to get dt checked or vigged tonight, might as well give the piece away, it aint gonna do you no good. Then jackal saved my ass and the rest of the game was a breeze | ||
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