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On September 09 2011 23:39 Palmar wrote: Lucid lives in a hut in the jungledesert. He risks being eaten by lions every day. Don't be silly! We don't have jungles here. Only deserts. | ||
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Are you trying to scum paint? | ||
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Derpy hooves just for that name man. | ||
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I've never been in a Day 0 before. Discussing ponies seems to be the best course of action. | ||
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On September 13 2011 06:23 Forumite wrote: Just checking, you were in TL Mafia XLIII and Arkham Asylum, and played Vanilla Townie in both? I was a goon in AA. A Vet in Kurumi's TF2 themed mafia and VT in XLIII. 2 of those games were PM games and I was pretty inactive in XLIII, so my meta on TL is pretty useless. This is a small game so there shouldn't be too many posts. However little there may be to read, a lurker or two is bound to pop up. What are your thoughts on how to deal with them? | ||
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On September 13 2011 10:13 Forumite wrote: It´s closed, so we can´t rely on cops, doctors and vigis. On September 13 2011 11:11 Forumite wrote: Jackal is the player in this game that I most want to know the alignment of. If he´s Town, then he can help a lot, and we definetly shouldn´t do Scum a favor and lynch him, let them waste a nightkill instead. If he´s Scum, then we find him with a check, even if he´s doing his best "confirmed Town" act. Do you disagree? How can you say we can't rely on Blues and then soon after suggest an entire strategy around Jackal's alignment which relies completely on a Cop? I really don't like that you want to "catch him" with a check, even when he looks innocent. That could easily suggest a framing on Mafia's part of Jackal. On the other hand, you could be setting up a DT check on your Godfather (If Jackal is scum and there is a GF I think there's a big probability that he is it). Either way, it looks quite bad. Explain? | ||
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Why did you suggest that plan on Jackal after stating that we can't rely on Blues at all? I don't know all the players in this game, but Jackal seems to be a pretty senior member of the community and a good choice for GF if there is one. Saying that you wouldn't advocate DT checks on your GF is complete WIFOM. As is implying that anyone you vouched for being town (is that what you have been doing? that's even worse) would instantly have to die after you flip red. | ||
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There are many scenarios where we can't trust a DT check. We don't know their sanity, we don't know if there is a framer or millers, there could be fake claims. Even if you didn't consider a framer, the plan didn't make sense and my main point is that you contradicted yourself w.r.t. the use of Blue roles. But it doesn't seem as if you're going to address that. Vote: Forumite | ||
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On September 13 2011 21:51 Forumite wrote: With everyone accusing me of avoiding questions, I think I´d like some old ones of my own answered. Lucidity, what role did you have in Arkham Asylum? Arkham Staff, basically a normal Goon? Is there something in your Veteran Metagame that makes those games useless for metagame purposes? I played as a Goon and a Vet in PM games, so a lot of discussion is not in the thread at all. I've played 1 game as Green, 1 as Blue and 1 as Red. I don't think I have any kind of reliable meta on here. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + We had a similar ordeal in GM's previous game. Quite strange! | ||
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The spark that activated the stones was friendship. "Friendship is magic." Applejack is Honesty. Fluttershy is Kindness. Pinkie Pie is Laughter. Rarity is Generosity. Rainbow Dash is Loyalty. Twilight Sparkle is Magic. My guess is that each of those ponies has a stone and the game mechanic relates to them somehow. But let's leave this alone until after Night 1 when we might have some relevant information via flavour/night actions. | ||
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On September 12 2011 09:24 DroneAllDay wrote: /confrim How's it hanging brosef? | ||
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On September 14 2011 00:33 Nisani201 wrote: We don't intend to lynch the lurkers. We plan to pressure them. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND the pressure is gone. | ||
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On September 14 2011 00:18 dreamflower wrote: At the moment, I am more in favor of lynching an inactive, because town lurkers still don't help the town if they're not sharing their thoughts or giving us information and Mafia lurkers are, well, Mafia. I am currently unconvinced by the cases so far, as they tend to be based on post-by-post analyses of posts made on Day 1, when most of us were unsure of what we should be discussing or trying to accomplish. Generally, I tend to be skeptical of post-by-post analysis, as they often are just nitpicking at small contradictions or confusing phrases in posts that perhaps the poster just didn't think through clearly and they seem to assume that Mafia will give themselves away a little in every post, which they usually don't. Right now, the cases made against Forumite and Greymist strike me as being more like townies accusing townies, so I'm hesitant to vote for a lynch based on those cases. I did think it was a little odd that Forumite asked for a DT check on Jackal. But it seems like Jackal is a pretty well-known player, so I suppose it makes sense that he is subject to the scrutiny that well-known players tend to receive, like Ver or Ace. Jackal himself also seems quieter than I expected, though perhaps that is only because it is so early in the game. So, I would much prefer lynching a lurker right now. The lurkers that stand out most to me are Sevryn and DroneAllDay. Of these two, the latter has specifically stated that he is very new and will be lurking a lot, which on one hand could be an honest statement of confusion but on the other hand could be a Mafia trying to look like a clueless newbie. The former, Sevryn, has made only a few game-related, non-pony-discussing posts, most regarding the Day post and how it'll give us more to talk about. Yet, he himself hasn't said anything substantial after the Day post except "Oh yay Day post. So, what are the Elements of Harmony?" I would very much like to hear from these two players sometime soon. I also wouldn't mind hearing about everyone's thoughts regarding the merits and flaws of lynching inactives versus lynching someone in particular. Essentially this post served two purposes:
Lynching lurkers should be a last resort. Going after lurkers (and by lurkers she actually means INACTIVES) allows scum to not offer any opinions and simply sheep onto an easy vote. This is not an ideal situation to say the least. She discredits the cases against Forumite and Greymist, by simply saying that she doesn't like post by post analysis and that she thinks townies are accusing townies. Could you explain why you think townies are accusing townies dreamflower? You offer no reason to doubt the case based on actual discussion points. Simply "oh I'm unconvinced". On September 14 2011 00:25 dreamflower wrote: Bah. And now that I posted, Sevryn has posted and even voted for Forumite. -_- I'm still a little cautious about the case on Forumite, as people seem to be basing it mostly on that one post and making him defend his ideas. I agree that his defense has also been inept, but I don't think it necessarily means he is Mafia. For now, I guess I will just vote for DroneAllDay. And learn to refresh the page a lot better while I'm posting. ##vote DroneAllDay Note the displeasure when she sees that someone else voted Forumite. So instead of waiting for other's opinions on the LaL strategy she proposed, she goes ahead with it to try and divert attention away from real scum hunting by voting for DroneAllDay. Look at the reasoning in that post.
She thinks his defense is inept. But somehow he does not deserve any attention. Instead she "guesses" she'll vote for DroneAllDay. Point? She's defending Forumite with no real reasoning. She puts her vote on an inactive, not a lurker. On September 14 2011 02:23 dreamflower wrote: Ah, true. Yes, I was referring to lurkers when I said inactives. My apologies. A lot of my thinking still dates back to the olden days before inactivity modkills or the Ban List, so please excuse me if I phrase things oddly like that. I also agree about OriginalName, whom I'm a little annoyed about not noticing myself. I also noticed that DroneAllDay's statement of Mafia newness came very soon after he signed up and long before roles were sent out, so that pretty much rules out his being a Mafia trying to masquerade as a newbie. My mistake there. OriginalName's one contribution to the thread after the Day post has been to call Forumite's post "a huge pile of fluff," but after that he hasn't said anything else at all. That does look more like lurking than outright inactivity. To add my own opinion on the merits of lynching lurkers, I think it is a good idea early on, when we don't have much information to work with. I agree that lynching lurkers doesn't yield much information afterward, but I don't think going after "real" targets always does either. The people who argue for a townie to be lynched or vote for their lynch are not necessarily Mafia themselves. So, I don't think either approach can give us much in the way of useful information. The part highlighted in red essentially explains why ON is where her vote should be. DroneAllDay is an inactive, which she doesn't want to go for. She wants lurkers, and ON is one. Yet her vote stays on DroneAllDay. She dedicates an entire paragraph to explaining why DAD is a bad vote, and then doesn't change it. Then she goes on to try and push the LaL objective. We shouldn't be lynching for information. DEFINITELY not on Day 1. We should be hunting scum. Lynching lurkers (inactives) is not scum hunting. It doesn't give us any information, which you think is important? Yet you still advocate lynching lurkers. Going after "real" targets actually DOES offer us information ito voting patterns, defenses e t c . Not that, that is our first priority, but it blows your LaL policy out of the water. tl;dr Defends Forumite and greymist with no reasoning. Pushes anti-town objective of lynching inactives instead of scum hunting. (Note that she really means inactives when she says lurkers, even though she indicated otherwise. Her posts make that clear enough.) | ||
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Curu has scarred me with his brilliant Mafia play in XLIII(IV)? No matter how town he looks I'm always going to be doubting him now -_- | ||
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Of these I think sinani is our best bet... Both in terms of getting the required numbers and in terms of likely scum. The reactions surrounding Curu's attack on him are quite suspect. ##Unvote ##Vote sinani | ||
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(in case partial names aren't counted) Please don't let a no-lynch occur. | ||
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I think tnkted is a great choice, but is his lynch a realistic possibility? I won't be here for the lynch so I feel safer leaving my vote on sinani. WBG: In what world could sinani and Curu both be scum? | ||
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Derpy hooves up in here man. Can't wait to see what this strange power is. On September 15 2011 09:43 wherebugsgo wrote: That rarely, if ever, happens. Townies aren't smart enough to consolidate on scum so fast this early in the game. I'll actually be pretty surprised if sinani is scum, I just don't believe a bandwagon on a scum would pile up so fast. I've never seen a scum go down without it being bloody difficult to get even two votes on him. Why do you think it happened fast? i.e. Please quantify your understanding of "fast" with evidence to back up your claim that it did happen fast. And with 2/3/4 scum in the game, every single scum would have had to jump on the wagon to support your theory. How likely is that really? | ||
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Why do you believe a no-lynch is a viable option dreamflower? | ||
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On September 16 2011 03:19 tnkted wrote: Okay, Lucidity is scum. I liked his dreamflower analysis at first (because it was the only true analysis posted like, this entire game), but upon reading the rest of his stuff its clear that he's scum. Hes been hopping on bandwagons, throwing out soft foses, and trying to deflect attention from himself. We will start with the latter: Deflection attention Translation: "My meta on TL is pretty useless, don't even try to understand me or my motives. I'm unreadable. Yeah baby. Total badass." But just so that nobody forgets this important fact (ie, if he seems scummy its just because you don't know his meta, so be unsure about everything) he posts it again. Soft FoSes Then he throws this weird, semi-FOS on dreamflower but doesn't commit to a vote or even any sort of honest pressure on her, asking her to explain herself. You'll note that he didn't have any trouble throwing a vote on forumite, or any of the people after his dreamflower analysis. But thats not the only soft FOS he throws out. Here's some snide remark about curu, undermining towns confidence in him: Bandwagoning It begins with forumite: Then has that post on dreamflower above, but he doesn't commit. Instead, he hops on four (five?) wagons at once, but commits to sinani. What this does is throw suspicion on several people, but commits to the easiest lynch. TLDR: Lucidity is scum. He's trying to blend in by throwing out soft FOSes and hopping on wagons. Vigs should hit him tonight, and we should vote him tomorrow. Lol. That is quite laughable. Deflecting Attention Er yeah. If you look at the quotes I'm responding to direct questions. I'm not deflecting anything. I simply explained that reading my past games is somewhat of a waste of time, because they were PM games or I was inactive. Try again? Soft FoSes I didn't vote for dreamflower, because I liked Forumite more. dreamflower's posts bugged me so I went through them when I woke up and posted that analysis. I wanted to hear her explanation. Some of her response was plausible, but I still think she thinks from a scum POV. Her problem with WBG's Hammer just strengthened my opinion. I don't agree with any of her opinions so far; she seems to have a scum mindset imo. As for the snide remark about Curu? Really? Bandwagoning Ludicrous. I was the first vote on Forumite? How is that bandwagoning? As for the "5 wagons" I jumped on (lol?): They are all acting suspicious. I voted for sinani because we need a majority to lynch, and none of the other candidates seemed to be viable options. We barely made majority with only 7 votes on him at deadline. I don't regret my choice. I guess if your wagon had more support behind it we might have lynched scum Day1? I don't understand how you could praise me yesterday and attack me today on the same post. Your case is extremely weak I'm afraid. But it has strengthened the case against you. Scum struggle to see scummy behaviour, which results in analyses such as that above. Your earlier behaviour is consistent with this as well. I'm liking our chances for Day 2  | ||
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On September 16 2011 12:01 Jackal58 wrote: http://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/Bridle_Gossip She's an evil enchantress She does evil dances And if you look deep in her eyes She'll put you in trances Then what will she do? She'll mix up an evil brew And she'll gobble you up In a big tasty stew Sooo... WATCH OUT! Don't judge a book by it's cover. Twinkles is 500% guaranteed town. If I die in the next couple of minutes keep him alive. Period. ?????? | ||
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Explain yourself Jackal... | ||
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You don't know what roles are in the game so you're just going to accept every claim? Are you so easily convinced because you already know he's town? Oh hi scum. | ||
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On September 17 2011 14:13 Jackal58 wrote: Scum really hate when two townies know they are both townies don't you? Scum really hate when townies have knowledge that is denied to scum don't you? PM abilities in a non PM game are great. As I said before if you guys feel compelled to lynch me to verify my alignment I'm ok with that. But keep your dick beaters off of Twinkles. Sorry Curu. I didn't realize you were running LOTR when I posted that. My vote is going on Bugs. If you're town you can trust me or lynch me. But you damn sure aren't getting all the details. ##VOTE: wherebugsgo Could you explain why you voted wherebugsgo please? | ||
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Discussing possible reasons for Jackal and tnkted's claim before they gave more info only benefited scum (if they're scum). And it doesn't benefit anyone if they're actually town. Herp derp. Don't give them ideas if they're actually lying. | ||
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From = for. e.g. If I ask Jackal why he voted WBG I don't want dreamflower to answer it. | ||
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On September 17 2011 23:52 Jackal58 wrote: Simple. I stated that you guys were more than welcome to lynch me to verify my alignment. Bugs isn't happy with that answer. He needs the details of what went on between myself and tnkted. I will not disclose that info. He hates that idea. The sole purpose of my original post was to save a townie from lynch. He hates that idea. A tnkted lynch would have been very easy today. That's why. When I was first told I could PM tnkted I was also suspicious of him. However he did something that I cannot attribute to scum. Ever. If he is actually scum his own team needs to kill him because he fucked them hard. I believe it was in XXXLVI where I made a similar post to save LSBs derpy ass from lynch. It worked and town won. The only difference here is when I first called Twinkles town I had no other alternative lynch candidate like I did in that game. Oh and I can no longer PM tnkted. That window closed when tnkted did what he did. So your plan to save a townie is to ... sacrifice yourself ... a townie ... ? | ||
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DroneAllDay: Please ask for a replacement. tnkted: I mean pursuing me. You made a case against me. Why aren't you following through? | ||
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On September 18 2011 02:23 Jackal58 wrote: Not exactly. My plan is to give you guys a confirmed townie. Right now I know tnkted and I are both town. You guys don't. Confirmed townies are scums worst nightmare. I will gladly sacrifice myself to fuck over scum. I will gladly put myself up for a hit by scum. Why do you have issues with this? Why do you expect people to take you at your word? I want to know as much as possible about your motivations so that I can form opinions. | ||
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On September 18 2011 01:42 Curu wrote: Whoa a post by Nisani I can completely agree with. Hmm. wherebugsgo's vote wasn't on Jackal at the time of that post and Jackal had informed us that the PM circle had been closed. So what exactly did you agree with? + Show Spoiler + On September 18 2011 01:38 Nisani201 wrote: ##Vote: wherebugsgo I was a bit busy yesterday so I didn't have much time to post in the thread. Wherebugsgo is voting Jackal because his claim is "bullshit," which I strongly disagree with. Most of the things said in this thread regarding the Jackal-tnkted thing have been logical, so it really seems like a last resort for Wherebugsgo. Obviously scum wants to take out a PM circle, so his vote on Jackal just saves up KP for his scumteam to kill someone else. | ||
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On September 18 2011 02:34 Jackal58 wrote: My motivation is a town win. What's yours? I don't expect people to take me for my word. I have stated repeatedly that town may feel free to lynch me to verify my alignment and tnkted's. First Bugs wants to know things I've already said I won't share and now you do. I've never said anybody must take me at my word. But you two seem to be awfully bothered by me. You do Jackal, whether you say so or not. Anyone who has questioned your claim you have viewed as suspect. As a townie I'm always suspicious of people who believe me too easily. You seem to be doing the opposite. Somehow someone being "bothered" by your claim is worrying you? You don't claim your role or tnkted's. You are not willing to divulge any information other than that you somehow KNOW tnkted is town. Then it surfaces that you THINK he's town due to something he said... In what world does that confirm someone. Why are you so certain that scum can't just kill your confirmed townie at night? | ||
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I'll post my reasoning later when I get home. His angar like in the post above is one of the reasons. Am I the only one not in a PM circle? Fuck that shit. Also, dreamflower is on course to get modkilled? | ||
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If you look at his filter you'll find that he spends little time on hunting scum. Instead there are a lot of policy and plan debating. This is in contrast to XLIV where he was actively hunting scum as his first priority. He points out and reminds us of how scummy sinani is numerous times. But he never votes for him. He later says that we should not lynch sinani. Why spend time on pointing out how scummy he is then? Wouldn't it be best to draw attention away from someone you think is a townie? Why bring his bad townie play to Town's attention repeatedly? Well the answer is obvious. You wanted him lynched, while absolving yourself of any guilt. + Show Spoiler + On September 14 2011 11:31 wherebugsgo wrote: I think it's generally cause your town play is so bad we can't tell the difference between it and real mafia. I mean even right now I can't tell your alignment. I don't like the lynch lurker policy but really I can't fault them for voting you, you're not giving anyone any reason to keep you around. On September 14 2011 11:55 wherebugsgo wrote: Good luck ever figuring out sinani's alignment. Won't find that out till he flips. On September 14 2011 12:21 wherebugsgo wrote: You were so gungho about teaching Droneallday a "lesson" by getting him lynched day 1, so he would learn that he needs to contribute as town. Sinani is arguably just as bad and yet you have a big problem with pushing for his lynch? Are you scumbuddies? Sinani doesn't seem to have learned yet that we don't like his lurking/anti-town nill contribution style, yet you don't seem to care for policy lynching him. So, Mr. Tnkted, why so flip-floppy? On September 14 2011 12:35 wherebugsgo wrote: an even better question would be to ask sinani what the fuck this is: In my previous game with WBG he made trademark tl;dr over 9000 word cases on his scum candidates. He has not done that this game at all. Things to look out for in the following post: His use of name calling. That's not how he put his thoughts across in XLIV. There he was a blue and tried to convince us of his standpoints with reasoning and tunneling (yes you tunnel your scum candidates like mad). He gives his reason for not wanting to vote sinani even though he looks scummy as fuck: "The bandwagon filled up too fast". It wasn't fast at all and we barely got enough votes to actually lynch sinani. i.e. bullshit reason. On September 15 2011 08:21 wherebugsgo wrote: Alright, I'm back from class today and I see not really much has changed. Townies are still retarded and the mafia are slipping through undetected because of it. Our best lynch for today is tnkted, something I've been trying to get through to you numbskulls since yesterday, but instead all of you seem to be completely ignoring me. I agree that sinani is playing really poorly but I never agreed that he was the best lynch. I'm not gonna vote sinani cause I don't think we should lynch him today. How god damn hard is it for you morons to understand this? Instead, I think we should lynch tnkted. Just look at how fast the bandwagon on sinani piled up. You guys don't think that's strange? Unless scum is all out bussing him day 1 I think we ought to leave sinani be until we're more certain of his alignment. what in the hell is this? There is only one thing I dislike more than wishy washiness, and that is lying. You sir, are a liar. I never said I wanted to lynch Sinani. I said I can understand why people would want to lynch him, but I never said we should lynch him. If I thought we should lynch him I would've voted him. Ever get that through your dumb head, Nisani? Honestly, until reading this post I thought you were just a dumb townie but now I smell that you could possibly have an agenda. Townies might grasp at straws but they certainly wouldn't fabricate things or put words in other people's mouths. His "case" against Nisani. Not much effort or convincing at all. Even blatant misrepresentations. + Show Spoiler + Other gems of Nisani's I've found: On September 15 2011 00:57 Nisani201 wrote: Also, I might not be as active during this portion of day becauSBe Minecraft 1.8 is out, and I will probably have a lot of homework. You had a problem with me being inactive (BECAUSE I WAS SLEEPING) but you are planning on being less active during the most important part of the day? The day ends in like 3 hours. Also, you even said you wanted to hear from Forumite but you knew he is in another time zone and that's why you knew he wouldn't respond till later. So why did it never cross your mind that I could be sleeping as well? Nice double standards, scum. On September 15 2011 07:13 Nisani201 wrote: Majority lynch is weird. I don't like it. However, GreYMisT is right, I shouldn't be voting for an outlier. ##Unvote ##Vote: Curu If anyone else is interested in lynching wherebugsgo, just post it here, and maybe I can get some more votes on him. "oh I seem to have been caught for my shitty reasoning. Time to jump back on a bandwagon on a person I just said was town one post ago!" On September 14 2011 13:24 Nisani201 wrote: I already stated in the thread that I only intended to lynch lurkers if they ended up not posting. (however I will admit that this was poorly thought out, because he would be eligible for modkill anyways). I prefered voting for DroneAllDay rather than Sinani because Sinani has not done anything scummy. The case against Forumite is not good enough to warrant a vote. And then you come around, calling everyone scum, and make yourself the perfect target for my vote. EZ. He admits that he did not think about his vote. I repeat, Nisani201 DID NOT THINK ABOUT HIS VOTE. So Nisani, you're willing to arbitrarily throw around votes and cause havoc (like the shit town atmosphere we have right now) just on the basis of wanting to lynch lurkers for not posting? That's a great way to blend in, isn't it? Lynch the guy who can't respond to you cause he's inactive. That way there's no backlash for your shitty reasoning. Yet, when you got called out on it you soft-defended sinani ("sinani has not done anything scummy") and the only other case is on Forumite. Who, I'm guessing is town, since you dismissed him so easily. There's only two options for you: 1.) You rolled town, yet you have yet to use your brain and are just acting immensely thick. 2.) You're scum, trying to mislead others about what I said to try to fabricate a case on me, and are trying really hard to blend in. I'm leaning toward #2 right now. His case on tnkted. His best lynch candidate. Is 1 paragraph long. 1 paragraph. Discussing 1 post. The stuff after the first paragraph is just the ending of his long post, not the case on tnkted. He is CLEARLY not putting much effort into hunting scum. This is not how a WBG "Let's lynch this scum!" post looks like. + Show Spoiler + With all of this, however, I have more things to point out. Our best lynch today, as I said earlier, is tnkted. I will explain further: On September 14 2011 22:04 tnkted wrote: Fair enough, You certainly haven't been lurking. ##Unvote My thoughts on DroneAllDay: I don't think he's posted since the day started, which means he's probably going to get modkilled. Perhaps he hasn't checked his pms in awhile? Either way, I think he's going to get himself dead without anybody's help (@Dreamflower: This is one of the main reasons NOT to lynch lurkers; they tend to get themselves modkilled anyway and we waste a lynch). My thoughts on lucidity: his post analyzing dreamflower was extremely interesting because it was well done. I don't know if I agree with his conclusions, but his method was very effective: It paraphrased the important aspects of dreamflower's post, and interpreted them in order to understand what dreamflower was really talking about. THIS is a good way to find scum. Now, why he chose dreamflower and nobody else is kind of interesting; Dreamflowers scumhunting abilities are so legendary (for me anyway) that I have a hard time believing she intended to come across as scummy as she did. I want to hear her response before I vote for her. Also interesting to note is that lucidity didn't actually vote her himself; he's also waiting for a response. For what it's worth, right now dreamflower is my #1 vote but I'll abstain until she shows up to defend herself. Eh, what the hell. I can always change it later. ##Vote: Dreamflower I have no self control. Now, to deal with some mindless accusations: Frankly, this is a complete nonsense post. "Tnkted makes a good point about forumite not being scum, which convinced me, but later, i changed my mind and now I think he's scum too!" WHY did you change your mind when what I said made sense to you? Go find me evidence where he stopped acting like an annoyed townie and more like a frightened scum, and I'll consider switching to you. Please post a case against me instead of just throwing out soft foses. You think people don't notice when you do this? What? What kind of reasoning is this? Tnkted is voting dreamflower not because dreamflower made contradictions, not because dreamflower seems to be pushing an agenda, and not because dreamflower appears scummy to him but because dreamflower appears scummy to LUCIDITY. This is the textbook definition of sheeping. Tnkted contributed absolutely nothing in this entire post except a massive sheep vote of Dreamflower by following Lucidity blindly. You all need to seriously consider tnkted as a lynch today. Finally, there are a few other players who I found made interesting remarks today, and who I think we should keep an eye on. Sinani and Curu for obvious reasons, but I have an inkling at least one of them is town. Chaos I never have a proper read on, he could be anything, but his reasoning as always has been fairly bad. For example, his forumite vote post in which he considers tnkted to be scum but doesn't actually say why. Let's keep him in mind. + Show Spoiler + lol I still <3 you chaos In summary: Lynchlist: tnkted Watchlist: Nisani201, sinani206, Curu, chaos13 worthy of a vig shot to the face: tnkted, nisani Nisani is scummy to me, but as of right now there's no way to tell whether he's just a retarded townie or if he's mafia with an agenda. I lean mafia, but lynching him today is not the best option. Vigging him might be good, though. Tnkted is our best lynch. Filter him and look at how he blends in, look at his sheeping of Lucidity, and look at his contradiction with respect to the lurker lynch policy and Droneallday. All of these things line up with a scum agenda IMO. None of these things make sense from a pro-town mindset. I'll be around for the next 5-8 hours, so I hope to see people involved so that we can make a proper lynch. He later follows up his case because dreamflower has to ask him what his case actually is. SOMEONE HAD TO ASK HIM TO CLARIFY HIS CASE. I can't emphasise enough how strange this is for a WBG case. Go look at XLIV. When he pushed for someone to be lynched he made sure all his thoughts were put into a 1 post thesis so that people knew what was going on. He's simply not caring enough to do it in this game. Because he's not invested in finding scum. + Show Spoiler + On September 16 2011 09:36 wherebugsgo wrote: Read these posts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=263036¤tpage=15#284 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=263036¤tpage=15#292 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=263036¤tpage=15#297 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=263036¤tpage=17#339 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=263036¤tpage=23#447 Read and form thoughts for your own, people. I can't do much more than identify what I find to be contradictory and what I think deserves attention. I also urge you all to read Lucidity's response to tntkted's "case" on him. As I said, tnkted case on Lucidity is really weak. Just yesterday he was sheeping Lucidity's vote for his suspicion on dreamflower, and then suddenly today he's against Lucidity for soft FoSes. Then he doesn't understand the timing of Jackal's claim. Honestly, the only way he couldn't have considered that a Townie (especially someone like Jackal) could be afraid of dying to scum is if he's scum himself. Releasing info before the night ends makes perfect sense. How does WBG think it doesn't? In XLIV he even did the same thing!@# On September 17 2011 11:01 wherebugsgo wrote: Why don't you tell us? This sudden claim stuff is hella shady to me. It came at a really strange time of day, and it's not making any sense yet other than Jackal "confirming" tnkted as town. I find it weird that it's been put out there that tnkted is town but there's almost no explanation as for why or how. If you actually are town you'll get shot for sure (which is just dumb to me, idk why you would do that) and if you're not it makes sense as a gambit to get another mislynch today and get us closer to mylo. The following post just set off alarm bells all over the place for me. If we don't lynch tnkted/jackal today and they live he's going to look a lot harder at them? What? His PRIMARY candidate was tnkted. He should have looked hard at him to being with. WBG is a tunnelwhore extroardinaire. There's no way he decided tnkted is the best lynch candidate without looking hard at all his posts. Then he goes on to say that he's willing to drop tnkted for now if someone has a better target ..... But no one has presented anything yet ... WHAT? This is so different from townie WBG that I dont' know what to say. He is suspicious of his #1 target's claim, but willing to drop him. Uhuh. On September 17 2011 11:19 wherebugsgo wrote: Last thing I ought to mention is that there is no other alternative lynch today. Neither of them have contributed one. I've contributed my list, but other than tnkted no one really grabbed anyone's attention yesterday. We have to consolidate today or we're gonna be in deep shit. And certainly if we don't lynch mafia today, and we don't lynch tnkted/Jackal (and they're both alive), I'm going to be looking into them a lot harder. If someone has a better target I'm willing to drop tnkted for now, but no one has presented anything yet. Then he votes Jackal?! He doesn't believe this claim stuff... So what does he do? Vote for his #1 scum candidate? NO! Let's vote Jackal. Who he has had a town read on all game. Yes! On September 17 2011 14:19 wherebugsgo wrote: This is the biggest bullshit vote I've ever seen. I choose lynch. ##vote Jackal58 Followed by insta unvote: On September 17 2011 16:19 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm fine with lynching Nisani. In hindsight I'm want to believe Jackal's claim because I had a town read on him all game. It doesn't add up to what I see in his behavior for him and tnkted to be scumbuddies. I just feel stupid because my entire case on tnkted is thrown out the window (for now, at least). Nisani was my #2 choice, so I won't be complaining there. ##unvote Jackal ##vote Nisani201 Then the shit starts getting weird. On September 18 2011 05:12 wherebugsgo wrote: Jesus Christ you guys are fucking slow. This is a breadcrumb. I have one of the pieces of honesty. I thought you guys were getting pieces together so I wanted to help you out. That's why I wanted to know more about what Jackal was doing. When I realized he was telling the truth and I reread his songpost, I figured he can't be mafia with tnkted. Then, I voted nisani because he was my number 2 lynch target. I've been pushing tnkted and nisani all day, if I get a town read on tnkted of course I'm going to go back and push my second lynch after clarifying that the claim indeed is made from a pro town perspective. His timing is all messed up. He realised Jackal was telling the truth. That's why he wanted more info about the claim. But HE VOTED tnkted AND Jackal in that period when he supposedly believed the claim. How does that make any sense?! I'll tell you how: He always knew they were both town. So there was never a point where he switched from doubting them to believing them. Thus, in his scummy mind, the timing got messed up. But wait. There's more. On September 18 2011 06:46 wherebugsgo wrote: I got mine night 1. Wait so sorry if this is a stupid question but why are we asking this? On September 18 2011 16:26 wherebugsgo wrote: I sent the PM to GMarshal to send the piece to tnkted. Also, I made a mistake with respect to the timing of when I received my piece. I actually received my piece with the day 1 post, not the night 1 post (AKA September 13) That's the time stamp on the PM. I had another PM from GMarshal that I mistakenly thought was the piece PM in my inbox so I wrongly assumed that was the one for the receptacle. This is the most damning shit ever. How do you forget when you got the element? I proper LOL'd when I read this. You had to go look at the PMs? And you looked at the wrong one? HA HA HA ? All of you other guys who got your elements. How did you remember when you got yours? Did you have to go look at a PM? Or did you relate it to a point in the game? If I got it on Day 1 there's no way in hell I would have forgotten that I had that knowledge on Day 1......................... WBG is scum. What probably happened is that he got it from Chaos on Night 1 when he killed him. 2 random nuggets to further illustrate non WBG play: + Show Spoiler + Points out scummy as fuck post. Forgets about it immediately. This isn't Town WBG play: + Show Spoiler + On September 15 2011 11:10 wherebugsgo wrote: lol wtf just noticed. This is actually reallyy shady -_- He feels he should have caused a no lynch? No lynch is 100% anti-town on Day 1. On September 16 2011 00:49 wherebugsgo wrote: I did it because people hate no-lynch. I agree that, in hindsight I should've forced a no lynch. 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He is scum and has to push scummy agendas and he can't differentiate between scummy/town behaviour as he is scum himself. Therefore, he resorts to name calling and aggressive posts to get his point across. He is so obviously scum I can't even believe it. Lynch WBG. | ||
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Seeing how useless the powers seem to be that the stones give I don't think scum would even care to give it away. Though I wouldn't know if they knew what combining it would do beforehand. I haven't received anything. Can't believe it's only a name check :/ Proper derpy hooves man. tnkted: Have you read my response to your case against me? What about it was unsatisfactory? Why do you think I'm scum? | ||
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On September 18 2011 22:50 Forumite wrote: Lucidity, why did you readily believe Jackal and tnkted when they confirmed eachother, but believe one of either me or WBG is scum? 1. I don't believe all the pieces can be in townies' hands. 2. tnkted and Jackal were the first to claim and the circumstances surrounding the claim make me believe they're townies. tnkted giving his piece to Jackal IN PRIVATE when he feared for his life doesn't make sense as scum. Of course there is the possibility that he is playing us, but that is not my belief. I think it's unlikely. Jackal then revealed what tnkted did instead of simply killing him. Again, much more likely that he is Town for doing that. WBG on the other hand did everything in PUBLIC. Imo, much more likely that he's doing it for TOWN CRED. If you add the timing issues he had with believing tnkted/jackal's claim and when he actually got the stone, WBG is certainly scum. | ||
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On September 18 2011 23:45 Forumite wrote: Okay, until those items arrive to you, I´ll keep my vote on WBG. I doubt he´s lying, but it´s so easy to make sure. ---- Leaving that for now, I have Lucidity in my sights, probably a bit UMGUS because of his early vote on me, but his play since doesn´t help in dispelling that first impression. Not Scumtells: Pushing the first pony to look scummy (Me), not wanting to confirm Jackal+tnkted by lynching one of them. Scumtells: Wanting to discuss ponies D0. Discrediting metaanalysis on self. Push DF with WIFOM. Soft FoS on Curu for no reason. Short posts except on DF and when defending himself. Wasting his vote by leaving it on me D1. If WBG turns out to be town you're likely scum then. I can't imagine that both of you are town. So far you opened with a hella scummy play which I've pointed out already. You then disappeared. You came back and posted some absolute fluff. And then you discussed your stones a bit. All in all? No scum hunting. Except this post I quoted I guess... Which is the laziest case I've ever seen in my life. Let's address my "scumtells" one by one. Wanting to discuss ponies D0. Because of my joke post? Which I followed up with stimulating discussion? Lol? Discrediting metaanalysis on self. That's just a weak reason and I already addressed it in my response to tnkted. I didn't discredit meta analysis on myself, I just pointed out that reading my past 3 games would be useless. PM games and 1 inactive game. Seriously, take a second to think about this... Push DF with WIFOM. I don't understand what you mean here. Could you please elaborate? Soft FoS on Curu for no reason. What do you mean for no reason? I shared my thoughts. Short posts except on DF and when defending himself. My posts today have been short for lack of time. Some of it was to try and bait you and WBG into going after me (eg my initial WBG accusation). I wanted to see if you'd latch on to an easy short post or two and then twist my earlier actions to look scummy. Apparently it has worked with you. If WBG flips town at some point please go after Forumite. He is not hunting scum. Filter him. HE IS NOT HUNTING SCUM. Wasting his vote by leaving it on me D1 Again, I don't understand what you mean here. I voted sinani. Without my vote there would have been a no lynch. | ||
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On September 17 2011 21:03 Lucidity wrote: Oh and WBG is scum. 2 ez. On September 18 2011 07:04 Lucidity wrote: Just read the new element of harmony claim. One of Forumite or WBG is definitely scum. Though the latter was really because I didn't have time to post more. I could have left such a post out, but neither you nor WBG had attacked my previous post so I thought I'd post one more. I haven't been playing scummily on purpose except for that. I knew scum would try to latch on to that and town's short term memory and try to push for my lynch. Honestly, if you think that's worth a lynch or me pushing scum agenda I have no hope for Town. You are purposefully ignoring the rest of my play or misrepresenting it if you want to lynch me. I have since qualified my earlier statements regarding WBG being scum so those posts aren't even relevant anymore. Has anyone read my case against WBG? 5.5 hours left. We need to start consolidating votes. Town is always way too slow near deadlines. | ||
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On September 19 2011 05:23 Forumite wrote: Below is the reflexive FoS that Lucidity did on Curu. It and the FoS on DF came right after eachother. Maybe it came right after each other because that's when I was online posting? Lol. And that statement regarding Curu is true. Go read XLIV. He was considered the most pro-town player in Town and he was scum. That wasn't a FoS at all. Here is my FoS on Curu: On September 15 2011 08:01 Lucidity wrote: I can't tell if Curu tried to cause chaos or if he's just being really aggressive... Policy lynching someone for actions in another game isn't something I think a good player would do. Curu hasn't advocated it in other games with Kenpachi/Kurumi as far as I'm aware, and he basically views them as unreadable too. What do you think about my case on WBG Forumite? | ||
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She has been completely inactive. I haven't seen scum being modkilled before so I put it on hold. I'm pretty sure the replacement is for her. She has had scummy ideas wrt lurkers and no lynch, but WBG is much more scummy imo. You're willing to lynch me because I'm not going after an inactive player? That's terrible. How am I more scummy than WBG? Explain this to me please. WBG's role as tracker only explains his tunneling of one candidate on his last day. The rest of his play was not influenced by that. WBG voted for tnkted AND jackal while he apparently believed their claim. Explain this to me. WBG forgot when he received the element of harmony. Explain this to me. !@$^&@#^ WBG repeatedly pointed out how scummy sinani was, but "never supported the lynch". EXPLAIN THIS TO ME. Forumite SKIMMED MY ANALYSIS. SKIMMED. What the fuck is that. This is retarded. If you're town, how can you possibly think your contribution is passable greymist? | ||
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I have no special powers. I have no elements of harmony. So lynching me isn't the end of the world for Town, but for the love of all things pony, THINK FOR YOURSELVES. Where are my scummy motives? | ||
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On September 19 2011 06:05 Forumite wrote: You say it was a bait, I just see a FoS without any substance behind it, after getting WBG more or less confirmed, at least in my eyes. Scum would want to discredit any correct attempt to confirm Town, which makes pushing WBG at that time scummy. Of course I think you look scummy for it. I´ve read your case on WBG, skimmed it at least. Him forgetting when he got his piece, does it make him more scum? N1 makes less sense, as it must have come from Sinani, as Sinani wouldn´t have kept his piece when he was getting lynched and WBG didn´t look like the best one to send it to. The thing is, that when he got it doesn´t make him Scum, wether or not he lied about it might, if for example another Scum got it and that Scum told him the wrong day. Is that what you think? What looks weird is him pushing for more info from Jackal, even though he allready knew what they were talking about. He should have accepted earlier. That´s the part of your case on him I can agree with, at least before he gave up his piece. No substance? Top of page 38. !#&($^*@^#(%@#&%*!@%#&^% Why would you think I'm trying to discredit a "confirmed townie" in your eyes WHEN YOU DIDN"T TRUST HIM AT THE TIME? That doesn't add up. I'm completely amazed. Perhaps Forumite is WBG's scumbuddy after all. In all seriousness, I want to know from all the people who got elements. How is it possible to forget at which point in the game you got your element? How could WBG have forgotten this? | ||
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WBG starts insulting people for reason to get his point across. I'm getting angry because I'm going to be lynched for no good reason. TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SCENARIOS. WBG did not try to get his point across by insulting people in XLIV. I would point to me raging in PM games, but I can't because they were PM games... Now my lack of meta comes back to bite me in the ass. FUCK YES! As for not pushing dreamflower.......... tnkted was my first choice lynch candidate at the start of the day. Why would I try to lynch dreamflower? tnkted: If you're going to vote me please respond to my response of your analysis on me. I'd like to know which parts were unsatisfactory to you. | ||
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I refuse to believe that he forgot when he got the item. It is inconceivable. Jackal, how is Sevryn the best candidate? I cannot imagine that all 4 people who have elements are pro-town. Of those 4, Forumite and WBG have been acting the scummiest. | ||
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The first time he "breadcrumbs" that he has the element is after tnkted/jackal on Day 2. Come. On. | ||
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On September 19 2011 06:55 tnkted wrote: @lucidity: You don't get to decide when I respond to you, since you're the one on the block right now, but since we're short of time lets pretend that I was entirely satisfied with everything you wrote. I want you to answer this: This is the third time you've been asked this and you have ignored it every time, which is weird, since (if it can be reconciled) its the strongest part of your analysis. How does that prove my innocence? If you're happy with my defense and you can't reconcile WBG's lies, how does that make me scum? Anyway, those two things aren't related at all. I'm not saying he lied about when he got the piece because he didn't have it. I'm saying he lied, because there's no way he could have forgotten when he got it. Possible reasons for not telling us it's Day 1 from the start include: - He got it on Day 2 and didn't want to invite any relation to Chaos' death. - He wanted to make it more believable by claiming the same date as you and Jackal - Someone else on the scum team got it in a PM and WBG screwed up the dates. There is no way he forgot when he got it if he's town. I cannot belive that. | ||
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I didn't notice that he only said it was Day 1 after Nisani confirmed your claim. That makes it even more scummy. | ||
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On September 19 2011 07:08 Jackal58 wrote: There are more than 4 shards in play. There are 6 elements. That makes 12 pieces if GMarshall split them all in half. 2 day 1, 2 night 1, 2 day 2, see where I'm going? If that's how it works, certain people will have to get more than 1 element... which is possible I guess. If I get lynched, I want you to keep in mind that it's likely that there are only 5 elements and that combining all 5 creates the 6th. At least it was the "Friendship" of the ponies that created the last element in the story and vanquished Nightmare Moon. "Friendship" might win us the game in this instantly if we combine the 5 elements with a protown player. That's just my guess. | ||
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Judging by how convinced you were Forumite was scum for having it on Day 1, it made sense for WBG to stay on his N1 claim. | ||
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I hope the majority required will be adjusted for the number of inactives. At least count the players as 11 - 2 = 9 for those who asked for replacements. | ||
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On September 19 2011 07:14 tnkted wrote: Lucidity, buddy, I want you to convince me since you are acting so town right now. On September 19 2011 07:59 tnkted wrote: Guys, we need 5 votes to lynch if GM ignores the modkills/replacements in the voting count. I still think we should lynch lucidity, he's our best option right now (not a very good one, but still, he's our best). The alternative is a nolynch, which I don't think anyone wants. Erm? And nice work on the false dilemma. The alternative is LYNCHING SCUM IN WBG. Not a no lynch. And riddle me this: Why did WBG vote for both you and Jackal at a stage that he claims he believed you were town? Please read the part of my analysis on WBG that deals with you and the claims at least. And comment on it. Why am I more scummy than WBG? Everyone that votes for me needs to state this clearly so that we can find the scum on me after I die. @Everyone: I haven't played with tnkted before. Is he considered a good player? | ||
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If I end up being lynched it should be easy to find the scum on me. tnkted has refused to respond to my defense of his analysis on me. He has called me "very town" but still thinks I should be lynched. If he is considered a good player, his play has been very bad this game. Since Day 2 I have operated under the assumption that he was just a derping townie, but if he is actually pushing an agenda and I get lynched I don't think we should discount the possibility that he gambited by giving his element to Jackal. If Forumite ends up on my lynch he is easily scum. Please look at my posts regarding him in the early game and chaos' case against him. Since Night 1 Forumite has only posted Fluff and talked about the elements. His only attempt at scum hunting was an extremely weak case against me. He has now stated that he doesn't believe I'm scum anymore so that's self explanatory... I guess WBG will just put his vote wherever he can avoid his own death. DONT LET A NO LYNCH OCCUR. Even if that means I have to die. At least we find scum if I die. Jackal, why are you diverting the lynch away from WBG to Sevryn? You didn't even provide a case on him. That's really troubling me. I had thought you were very town before you did that. If a no lynch occurs because Jackal pushed a Lurker lynch make sure to look in to him more thoroughly. | ||
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On September 19 2011 09:30 GreYMisT wrote: Unfortunately We don't know your alignment, so saying you feel he is 100% town doesn't mean much to us. There are 3 senarios as I see it: 1) you are both green and everything you said is true 2) you are both red and performing the most epic gambit of all time 3) jackal is red and you are green, he is gambiting to make you believe he is green. Of all the senarios I dont feel 3 is nearly as likely as the other 2, because jackal gave you his piece, as did WBG. On that note you believe jackal because he gave you his piece, but you dont believe WBG even though he gave you his piece? maybe I'm missing something, enlighten me. Anyway we need to confirm that #1 is definatly the senario we have here. the only way I can see to do that is to lynch jackal today. a DT check on him tonight would be unreliable because of the possiblity of insanity, framer, godfather, and whatever the hell else is lurking in ponyville that we dont know about. You forgot scenario #4. tnkted is scum and Jackal is town. I think out of #3 and #4, #4 is more likely. tnkted had made no mention about his element or that he gave it to Jackal in the thread. Jackal could have easily killed him if he were red. I think #3 can almost be completely disregarded. #4 however makes sense if we consider that tnkted was the first in line to be lynched on Day 2. Doing what he did saved his skin on Day 2, there's no doubt about that. If we're going to lynch someone to confirm a townie, it should be tnkted to confirm Jackal, not the other way around. Lynching Jackal doesn't confirm anything. But we shouldn't be lynching to confirm anyone anyway. Please stop suggesting that o; The info we gain should be a byproduct of us hunting scum. I'm done with assuming tnkted is town. For most of Day 2 I assumed that his play was that of a Townie making mistakes. I'm not going to be giving him that leeway anymore. I went in to Day 2 believing he was scummy. His actions during the lynch saga between me and WBG were scummy. I'll have a closer look at it today. WBG: How did you forget when you got the element? I can't fathom how such a thing could ever happen. Please try to make me understand it. At anyone who pushed for a no lynch who is actually town: You suck. At inactive replacements who turn out to be inactive themselves............ You suck. | ||
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On September 19 2011 19:13 Cyber_Cheese wrote: And if your town, that makes it Day 3 with with 2 less townies? Mis-lynches are not things to be desired, I'd rather be fairly sure about my targets. Unfortunately I didn't have more time over the weekend to see through the thread, I'm checking it over now and I'll post more tomorrow. In the meantime, don't take my initial impression too heavily unless I end up dead. But we could analyse agendas and interactions. We would have moved further in the game. Now we're not. Night kills don't give us any info, unless scum make a bad choice. | ||
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If you got it on Day 1 you would not have forgottend that you had that knowledge during Day 1. You would have had to consider whether to release the info in the thread. Who to send it to? Or should you keep it? etc etc. You would have had to think about these things in the context of Day 1. That's why I can't believe that you forgot when you got the element. | ||
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Crickets here. I hate this shit. Half of the players left are inactive. | ||
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On September 20 2011 12:09 tnkted wrote: EEP SORRY BAND PRACTICE WENT LATE, THE DRIVER WOULDNT DRIVE ME SO I HAD TO BIKE Okay last night I roleblocked forumite with my role ability (haunting sounds lol) and used the wifom from whether I'd use the bulletproof or the medic to use neither ability and instead used the name check on lucidity. Lucidity is Derpy Hooves, the confused Pegasus. Lucidity, are you some kind of tracker/watcher thingie? Because I think you're confused. Needless to say, I didn't believe your bluff about not having any abilities, and I think this probably confirms that you got something happening. On the plus side, I think you're probably town since it's unlikely that mafia would have a non-sane role. My role pm does mention that I'm always confused and messing up, but it also says I have no special powers. I'm not sure if there are any blues in this game. All 4 ponies have been green so far. I think our blue roles are all tied up in the stones most likely. I'm not sure if my role PM is just flavour or if it means I'll get opposite results when I use any abilities. Speaking of elements, tnkted, don't send yours to Jackal yet. I don't like that he asked for them so soon. Mafia can only touch you in 72 hours... Why does he need them now? The fact that tnkted revealed this info makes me believe he is town. If he gave away his element of harmony AND confirmed me as town... well, he's creating a lot of trouble for his scum team. I received one part of the element of kindness on Night 2. I propose that everyone who received elements of kindness send them to me. We need some diversity (all eggs in 1 basket and all that) and if you trust tnkted, you can trust me. | ||
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Who did you Roleblock on Night1? How is that a townie role? | ||
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I don't think it's in our best interest to send all the stones to one person yet. Perhaps when all of them are combined we can take the chance. Any basic finance class will tell you that diversification is good. Let's not concentrate our risk on one person... Your actions this game have confused me tnkted. I've seen your play as scummy, but you've made two big anti-scum decisions in releasing your element to jackal and releasing the info about my role. I'm willing to lean towards you being town, and not scum going for town cred. Even so, that doesn't make you an automatic choice for all elements immediately. You could still be scum. You could do silly things with the elements, like giving it to Jackal at inappropriate times. I'd rather keep this element with me. | ||
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On September 21 2011 02:41 Cyber_Cheese wrote: I've been going about this all the wrong way, I tried to write an epic wall of text on who the mafia were to make up for my lurking, and it was horrible, so I'm thinking we take a different approach So far the discussion is too based on elements, pm circles and pony lore. We all know there is probably three scum left, and I think it would be best if town got organized and sorted out who is most likely to be scum, so I'm thinking everybody post the three people you think most likely to be mafia and why Mine is the cutie mark crusaders for the reasons I listed a page ago An organized town is mafias worst enemy, we can analyse people that appear on everybodys lists and crosscheck with the lynch today etc with that information. Fluff. Bad logic. Lurker. Scum. ##Vote Cyber_Cheese Explain to me why all 3 scum would out themselves and talk about their QT in the thread? | ||
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On September 21 2011 03:30 Cyber_Cheese wrote: So what exactly about the plan is bad logic or scummy? I'm a replacement who's been largely inactive in this game, rather than need to go through and make a very solid case that explained everything I thought about everyone, I could go about it and lay a trap for scum to waltz into, and you waltz'd perfectly. Especially since your strongest 'evidence' in throwing that vote on me was the arguments I admitted to being particularly weak yesterday AND you are not a part of those three people that declared to have a circle. If we needed evidence on Lucidity, this seems to be it. ##Unvote Forumite ##Vote Lucidity + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Today, either Forumite or Jackal should die. Thoughts? | ||
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On September 21 2011 04:55 Cyber_Cheese wrote: I find your dismissal of my plan extremely bad AND scummy For some reason, all you've said about it is and posted a random unrelated video. Until you have some logic backing up the Fluff, Bad logic and Scum statements, you aren't in much of a position to decree anything. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On September 19 2011 11:07 GMarshal wrote: It is now night 2! You have 24 actions to get actions in to me. Dreamflower did not vote, and will be replaced in the next 24 hours or modkilled with the day post. I still need 2 replacements What happened with this? | ||
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On September 21 2011 06:33 Erandorr wrote: I actually agree with this. I cannot believe that GM would put 1 town with 2 scum . Forumite is giving me really bad vibes and is right now my number one target. We cannot lynch based on the assumption that 1 out of three people are mafia anymore. If dreamflower is getting modkilled then we will be dangerously close to mylo/lylo already. that forumite is in that circle is a bonus , though :D Is that a scumslip? GM had no problem instakilling 3 townies in XLIV, so this delay makes me think dreamflower might be mafia ;p And just ignore Cyber_Cheese's posts. | ||
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##Vote Curu I don't mind lynching either Jackal or Forumite or Curu today. None of them have been hunting scum. They all have the ability to do it, but they're not. Curu only appears when his name is mentioned. Jackal is 100% hiding in the element mess. I thought you were really good on Day 3? HeHE. Forumite should have been the one to die on Day 1. Jackal and Forumite forced the no lynch. STOP PUSHING FOR THE LYNCH OF DERPING MISTAKES. We should NOT lynch Nisani for claiming honesty. That would have been the most retarded scum gambit in the history of this game. Honesty was already claimed. Nisani actually HAS a stone. Explain the scumgenda here? Curu send me your element of kindness. | ||
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On September 22 2011 01:59 Curu wrote: So cool, vote Forumite with me then. I ain't giving you shit. You're probably a Traitor, mister confused Pony. If I'm a Traitor then I still think I'm Green right? So I should be working for a town victory? So why is that a reason not to give it to me? | ||
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How does confused imply that I'm a traitor then.......... | ||
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chaos13, Rarity the Fashionista. I guess he was a blue that could design clothes for us? | ||
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On September 22 2011 02:20 Curu wrote: Actually hmm, reading over the OP that any Pony can be any alignment and considering my strong suspicion that there are exactly 0 power roles in the game (all powers come from items) confused could very well mean Mafia. What use is a simple namecheck in a game with no likely powers where name does not imply alignment? Dun dun dunnnnnn. Are you saying tnkted lied about his Roleblocker ability? | ||
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On September 22 2011 02:22 Curu wrote: It's a oneshot that tells you the name when name does not imply alignment. Sounds like a completely useless item to me. The confused part has to be significant. And yet it wasn't significant for chaos13's Rarity... And why is 1-shot not considered a special power? I have NO special powers. Are you playing bad on purpose? | ||
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On September 22 2011 02:26 Curu wrote: lol way to twist my words. I have shown no desire to give you the element and let you reap the rewards. Mister confused. You haven't proposed that I give it to you either. You only claimed to have an element when Jackal pointed out that scum was likely hiding any they had. You haven't tried to combine it at ALL. The fact that you're not willing to give it to me is only one part of your disinterest in the item. | ||
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On September 22 2011 02:27 Curu wrote: wat chaos13's rolename was Rarity, the Fashionista. I am Derpy Hooves, the confused pony. It's most likely just flavour . . . . . . . . . . | ||
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I had to double check my element name before I posted as well. There's no way I wouldn't know that I got an item AT THE START OF THE GAME. On September 19 2011 11:17 Curu wrote: Some things I learned from this game: -Until sinani starts seriously trying to play this game I am going to be pushing hard for his policy lynch no matter what in future games (I have to shamefully admit that half the reason I replaced into GMarshal's Pony game was to get sinani lynched). So pro town. | ||
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LET'S FOCUS OUR ATTENTION ON FORUMITE, JACKAL AND CURU. Causing no lynches. Lynching for lolz. Completely avoiding hunting scum. LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH | ||
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TODAY WE LYNCH FORUMITE / JACKAL / CURU WBG: Go look at Cyber_Cheese's posts. And DAD's. How are you not attacking him, but going after Nisani instead? The former takes trolling/bad town play/whatthewhat to a whole new level. | ||
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And I realise my frustration has caused me to also play badly. Just derp. @Everyone: State your opinions on FORUMITE JACKAL CURU | ||
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On September 21 2011 22:55 Erandorr wrote: I dont exactly get what is going on here, why is that a lie and what is the element of honesty? On September 21 2011 23:37 Erandorr wrote: Btw this whole thing here convinced me even further that forumite is scum. Time to kill some scum ##vote forumite WHAT IS THIS? ROFL Obviously hasn't read the thread just like Nisani. But how did Nisani's claim fuck up convince him that Forumite is scum? over life. @WBG: I don't think Nisani has acted more scummy than other derpers. Look at your own case. You say that he contradicted himself by calling Jackal scum and then giving the element to Jackal. But he called him scum when he thought Jackal was lying about the element of honesty. ONLY AFTER he realised he had Generosity and Jackal wasn't scum for having Honesty did he consider giving it to him. | ||
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We need to disregard that and try to find pro-scum players. Forumite and Jackal fall in to that classification due to their role in the no-lynch ... possibly saving a scumbuddy. Curu falls in to it for joining this game with the intention of killing sinani no matter what. They all do for not hunting scum. Curu, would you consider giving your element to tnkted? | ||
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He wanted to give it to one of them. THen Jackal said he already had Honest and voted Nisani. Then Nisani thought Jackal was scum for fake claiming it. Then he realised he derped and said he'd give it to Jackal again. Make sense? I'm trying to point out to you that you're tunneling. And I think you're tunneling anti/bad town play instead of pro scum. | ||
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On September 22 2011 04:48 Forumite wrote: WBG does have a point here. Nisani didn´t just miss what the element was called, he saw what Jackal did not as a reason to recheck what was really going on, but jumping on it as a reason to lynch Jackal. If he had just gotten a new element, then there´s no chance that Jackal would have it, so what Jackal says doesn´t make any sense at all. It would only make sense to vote for Jackal if it was really Honesty he had received, because THEN Jackal would look extremely scummy for lying about sending away an element. Missing the name of the element in question is an honest mistake, but thinking that Jackal was contesting his claim to a previously unknown element just doesn´t make sense. tnkted, any update on elements? Forumite is confirmed scum at this point. If he believed he had the element of Honesty. And Jackal comes into the thread and says he has it. He's obviously going to jump right on that shit and vote Jackal. How is that not obvious? Explain the logic to me if he were scum. How does his actions make any sense as scum? | ||
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I've even explained how that's not a contradiction. Even if you're too lazy to read the thread. I really give up. Forumite has admitted in the past to not reading my case on WBG, and at the same time not being convinced of my caseo n WBG' NO NONO!N@$$ | ||
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On September 22 2011 04:53 Jackal58 wrote: You keep saying that. Why? Because I didn't think Bugs was a good lynch? . . . I keep thinking Bugs is scum because he pooched his claim on when he received his item. ERM? I deleted the rest of the post because it's nonsense. You're telling me you don't have any scum reads? By Day 3? I would be absolutely over the moon if you could be lynched today. Too bad Greymist died last night for suggesting we lynch you to confirm tnkted. I don't think anyone else sees how uninterested you are in hunting scum. | ||
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On September 22 2011 05:02 wherebugsgo wrote: actually the rest of the post had a lot of relevance. He was suggesting you've had "scumreads" on like everyone in this game so far. AKA you can't possibly be right because there's not 12 scum in this game. Those are HIS "scumreads" not mine. And you're missing what he's doing. He's stating 1 suspicious thing everyone has done. And then the very next thing he says that he can point out why he thinks everyone is town too. He has no scumreads. None. ZILCH. He's perma trying to move to lurkers or bad townies. Not scum. He's not hunting scum. Please. What i'm currently trying to do is separate the BAD TOWNIES from PRO SCUMMERS. And the top 3 in that list are Forumite / Jackal / Curu. | ||
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On September 22 2011 05:05 Jackal58 wrote: I don't think you're town. If you were you would see how next to fucking impossible it is in this derp fest. So you have no clue who is scum, but you'd rather save random people (who according to your previous post have been just as scummy as the next guy) and cause no lynches? Yeah man, makes sense. | ||
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And then his reason for finding Nisani scummy is that he's "inept" aka derp. .... | ||
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On September 22 2011 05:08 Nisani201 wrote: Forumite and Curu CANNOT BOTH BE SCUM. God, you guys are stupid. They are still both scummy. If one flips scum the other suddenly looks much more town, but until then??? | ||
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On September 22 2011 05:08 Forumite wrote: If he was scum, and then claimed to have the element which Jackal has, then that throws suspicion at Jackal, and maybe even on tnkted when Jackal gives the element to tnkted to show he has it. Either Jackal or Nisani could be the one to be thrown in front of a lynch, if it was Jackal then it´s fine, if things turned bad then Nisani could recheck and remove suspicion on himself, but by then he might have delayed the game 6+ hours, if we just wait for GM to fix the item-PMs, and then wait for whoever is to receive the item. I´ve seen a game go silent for 23 hours because someone said he had an amazing analysis coming up, don´t tell me that´s pro-Town. That makes no sense as scum. Jackal AND tnkted claim that they have the element. So trying to go after Jackal alone is silly. Furthermore, they actually used the stone and got my name, WITH the "confused" part, which I didn't claim in thread. Coming late to the party and claiming to have Honesty and that that makes Jackal scum is RETARDED. Not only that, but the setup is all wrong. He didn't claim his element and call Jackal scum. He claimed his element and then it had to be pointed out by OTHERS that Honesty was already out there. And don't come with this "herp derp he never read the thread so that's why he tried the gambit". If Nisani is scum he's in a scum TEAM. They would have worked on the plan together. There's no way he would've fucked up like that. There's no way that plan would've even left the QT. Sorry, but you are attacking a derping townie, not someone playing pro scum. This is seriously eating at me now. | ||
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On September 22 2011 05:15 Erandorr wrote: I think I wrote earlier that its too late to lynch based on the assumption that one out of 3 must be scum. not a good trade for us at this point. So just do the correct thing and vote for the person you are most convinced is scum, that one out of those has to be scum is a bonus, nothing more. No one suggested that we lynch through that circle. | ||
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On September 22 2011 05:16 wherebugsgo wrote: Until then you can't keep pushing three targets at once There is most likely three scum in this game. Or at least two. ... | ||
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On September 22 2011 05:17 Erandorr wrote: wow thanks lucidity, that is what I wrote earlier too ! Lets kill forumite, yes? yes! What do you mean? Explain to me why you thought Nisani's claim made Forumite more scummy please. | ||
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Is he part of our scum team too? Oh boy, we are 4. We are in LyLo! <3 | ||
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On September 22 2011 05:25 wherebugsgo wrote: yeah cause making a coherent case on someone I think is scum these days is tunneling, right? God you guys are thick It is when you ignore any responses to it. | ||
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On September 22 2011 05:24 Erandorr wrote: I never did. I pushed forumite from the start, stoped morons/scum from lynching nisani overly quickly and then decided after that that its time to kill forimite. Either you read the thread really carelessly or you are intentionnaly shitting up everything. I'm referring to this post: On September 21 2011 23:37 Erandorr wrote: Btw this whole thing here convinced me even further that forumite is scum. Time to kill some scum ##vote forumite What convinced you? On September 21 2011 23:04 Forumite wrote: Read the thread... The element of Honesty is an item which can freely be given away between ponies. I and WBG got the two halves of it during Night 1, and we both gave our pieces to tnkted, who combined them into the Element of Honesty. Nisani201 just claimed he has it, Jackal called him out on it, most likely because he holds the element of honesty himself. There´s only one element of Honesty, so Nisani201 (or Jackal58) is lying. Only Scum need to lie, so we lynch Nisani201. Night 1 Forumite? | ||
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##unvote ##Vote Forumite Curu, would you consider giving your element to tnkted? | ||
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On September 22 2011 05:39 wherebugsgo wrote: horse shit, you're the one who ignored his voting contradictions (blaming outliers for the no lynch in one post, then blaming only me, then going back and clarifying what he meant to Jackal about outliers and then blaming me again). You're the one who ignored the contradiction with respect to him saying he'd get an analysis on me and then not putting one up for 24 hours (and as of now 1 hr 45 minutes since I called him out on it) You're the one who has been ignoring the fact that Nisani has contributed nothing but chaos to this town since day 1. You're the one who is ignoring the fact that his element slip has a pro-mafia side as well as a (however far-fetched it may be) town side. I even said that by itself the slip could be something a townie would do, but that's extremely unlikely to me in light of all the other things he's done. Most importantly, you're the one who is ignoring the fact that what matters here is the big picture with respect to Nisani, not little individual things by themselves. I'm the one saying that's bad town, not pro scum. I'm not ignoring anything. | ||
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On September 22 2011 05:43 wherebugsgo wrote: So your excuse for dismissing my arguments is that they're all anti-town arguments? God that's one of the worst twisting of semantics I've ever seen. How else are you supposed to find scum? This entire town is bad town. So clearly we can't go that route. @Curu: So let's do it. | ||
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FRIENDSHIP IS MAGIC | ||
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If you flip Town we might as well -ff. | ||
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Jackal changed his vote from Nisani with no reason. He hasn't given reasons in 3 days. I'd prefer a Jackal lynch. But I need to go sleep now. I wish deadlines were earlier. | ||
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On September 21 2011 23:25 Jackal58 wrote: Nisani - Give Bugs whatever it is you are holding. Why did you suggest him? | ||
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On September 22 2011 20:27 Jackal58 wrote: Because he was tunneling Nisani so hard I figured that would be the only way that Nisani could prove to him that he was holding something. Lynching Forumite helps tells me info on two others. Nisani and Curu. If Forumite flips red Nisani is almost guaranteed to be red as well. If Forumiite flips town Curu is almost guaranteed to be red. That's why. Lynching Bugs just tells me what Bugs is. Other than his incessant tunneling of Nisani I don't see any connections to others. Why were you concerned with WBG's tunneling? You wanted to lynch Nisani instead of WBG on Day 2. Nisani was your top suspect on Day 3 until you switched to Forumite close to the end. Nisani's item could be confirmed by tnkted who is "500% town". Why did you want to diffuse the situation so quickly? And then later put your vote on Nisani again o_o You have to explain to me why Curu is almost guaranteed red because of Forumite's flip. | ||
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On September 22 2011 21:40 Cyber_Cheese wrote: What if the scum is you, lucidity, and ... someone... lucidity im relatively sure of from that whole trap thing earlier, and you screamed suspicious as i was playing catch-up in the thread + Show Spoiler + | ||
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And scum might hit a vet/protected player. WBG: I didn't like it, but I still thought he could be scum. The fact is the deadline is at 4AM for me, so I miss the last ~4 hours every time. Was it you or Jackal that also tried to blame me for "disappearing near the deadline" on Day 2 when we no lynched? Lol'd. Timezones people. And maybe I have been giving scum too much credit. Perhaps it does consist of Cyber_Cheese and Nisani. (+Jackal) I'm not comprehending Jackal's link to you though. Jackal saved you from lynch on Day 2. He tried to get Nisani's stone to you yesterday. He clearly likes you. butwai | ||
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I'll write my analysis of Jackal tomorrow and relook at Nisani as well. | ||
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On September 23 2011 10:27 wherebugsgo wrote: In the meanwhile you all should watch MLP Episodes. my favorite ep 16: Clearly scum. The best eps are 22 (HELLO MR MOUSEY HNNNNNNNNNG :3) and 25 (oui, zat iz correct madame) of course. And 23 ain't bad either. | ||
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WBG: About your element business... What really happened? Curu: Would you have lynched sinani if you were Town? Cyber_Cheese: Don't try to lay "traps" in the future please. | ||
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No one was scum hunting. This was the most frustrating game of Mafia I've ever been in and I just gave up. | ||
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