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On September 08 2011 04:20 Sevryn wrote: hey everyone I am going to try and be less lurkey this game and try and make good qaulity posts so if you notice my meta changing(not that I have much of a meta) its because I'm trying to be a better mafia player ##Vote Sevryn | ||
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On September 08 2011 07:23 wherebugsgo wrote: Fishing for pony fanservice? I<3GMarshal Particularly his sexy flavour text | ||
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## Execute Chaos13 | ||
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On September 11 2011 07:00 Nisani201 wrote: Waiting for my role PM. There, there, you´ll get your GM hasn´t confirmed when the game starts, so might be tomorrow. | ||
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On September 11 2011 07:29 GreYMisT wrote: HeheI would like to make a motion to refer to all roles in this game as "Cutie Marks" that is all. His Cutie Mark is Red! Banish him to the moon! | ||
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On September 11 2011 22:12 tnkted wrote: http://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/Doctor_WhoovesOkay, I just read the rolelist. Is there seriously a pony in this show called 'doctor whooves'? if so, that's effin hilarious There are a few other instances where the fans have chimed in and gotten their way, Ditzy Doo is the first one that comes to mind. As for your edited post, I saw it before the edit and I´m glad you removed it. | ||
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Pony Mafia, more or less... | ||
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Have you played a lot of Mafia? | ||
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On September 13 2011 02:25 Lucidity wrote: Not particularly. I've never been in a Day 0 before. Discussing ponies seems to be the best course of action. We get more time to discuss, that´s the only effect of this pre-game day. Any tactics that work during Day 1 should work here, sort of. Without knowing the rules and abilities in the game, it´s harder to know what to look for. | ||
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On September 13 2011 02:25 Lucidity wrote: Not particularly. I've never been in a Day 0 before. Discussing ponies seems to be the best course of action. Just checking, you were in TL Mafia XLIII and Arkham Asylum, and played Vanilla Townie in both? | ||
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On September 13 2011 07:34 Lucidity wrote: AA, wasn´t the Goons there part of Town? I was a goon in AA. A Vet in Kurumi's TF2 themed mafia and VT in XLIII. 2 of those games were PM games and I was pretty inactive in XLIII, so my meta on TL is pretty useless. How´s your Veteran Metagame? On September 13 2011 07:34 Lucidity wrote: We can´t rely on vigis to kill lurkers, and modkills only replace players, making reading them much harder. Both add up to possible problems with lurkers. Despite that, I don´t want to lynching lurkers to be the general policy. The problem isn´t the lurking, it´s how much harder it is to get a read on them. Pressuring lurkers is fine though. This is a small game so there shouldn't be too many posts. However little there may be to read, a lurker or two is bound to pop up. What are your thoughts on how to deal with them? | ||
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On September 13 2011 06:42 GreYMisT wrote: Sadly I have to agree with Dream, and echo what she said. We pretty much haw a very long day 1 with no roles or anything but a very general plan to discuss. I have only played with a few of you, but from the games I have read we will do well if we can maintain a good atmosphere, as we have right now. Because we also don't know how many or what type of roles exist, we need to focus on logic and behavioral analysis, rather than hope for power roles to carry us. I think we should process forward assuming no blues exist. In what way did we have a good atmosphere earlier? It was all posting without substance, with ponies, and a lot of lurking. We had 23 hours extra on the first day, and wasted it with nonactivity. | ||
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On September 13 2011 08:44 wherebugsgo wrote: wait when does Day 1 start? Not 100% sure, but should be within a few hours. | ||
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On September 13 2011 09:06 GreYMisT wrote: I prefer policy posts and "plans" to the spam and trolling it takes to get some games started on day 1. Would you rather I didn't post at all? I feel that at least gets everyone on the same page. Otherwise we don't know where anyone stands on the mechanics of the game, and judging from games I have read on here that seems to muck up later days. Policy sounds good, although there haven´t been much so far. That´s not the problem I had with your post, my problem was that it seemed like you liked how we had played thus far, when it had been just spam and ponies. Don´t congratulate Town on inactivity and lurking. | ||
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On September 13 2011 09:30 GreYMisT wrote: Ok I see what you mean. How do you feel we should approach this closed setup on day 0/1? It´s closed, so we can´t rely on cops, doctors and vigis. Still, I don´t think the core of the game has changed that much. There might be a 3rd Party, but I don´t expect multiple Scum-families like in Werewolf Mafia, the game is too small for that, and I don´t think GM would turn a Pony themed game into a slaughter like that game. Treating this as a normal games, with a few gimics, then we have talking, pressure and logic, the weapons of Town, and the hope of help from the blues. Personally, I don´t want to lynch lurkers or Jackal. Lynching Jackal for the fun of it is a mistake. Checking the last games, he´s often dead after the second night, mostly after he rolls Town and gets lynched anyway. He could be scum (Like in the CH game  ), but I´m not wasting time pushing to lynch him until he´s shown some real scumtells. Jackal does warrant a cop check though, if we have a detective out there. Voting, remember that it´s a majority lynch rule, the first day we need 8 votes, out of 13 players, to lynch. If we don´t, then noone dies, but scum gets a free night. I don´t want to go into what´s best between not lynching and getting a mislynch, just pointing out that if we want someone lynched, we need to agree as a whole and actively lynch. In this game, not voting on the leading candidate is a vote to save him. | ||
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On September 13 2011 10:19 chaos13 wrote: Hey, look at this. It's scum thinking my pressure on Jackal was real and not wanting to stand out by ignoring it. What exactly has Jackal done to warrant a cop check? Please, you didn´t even attempt to make that pressure look anything but a joke. | ||
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Jackal is a good player, and if Town don´t lynch him to be safe, then Scum kill him off. We can´t do anything to stop a scumkill, but if he´s up for a lynch, then, judging by earlier results on lynching Jackal, it´s probably better to make a cop-check than lynching him blind. The cop doesn´t have to claim just because he checks, though, if he thinks he can survive to check a night or two more. | ||
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On September 13 2011 10:58 chaos13 wrote: So in other words you think he warrants a check because he has an equally good chance at being mafia as any other random person selected from the player list? Hmmm, yeah, sounds about right. Jackal is the player in this game that I most want to know the alignment of. If he´s Town, then he can help a lot, and we definetly shouldn´t do Scum a favor and lynch him, let them waste a nightkill instead. If he´s Scum, then we find him with a check, even if he´s doing his best "confirmed Town" act. Do you disagree? | ||
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On September 13 2011 11:12 chaos13 wrote: I can't be the only one who sees how scummy Forumite is right now. Well, I don´t see it. What´s so scummy about it? | ||
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On September 13 2011 11:16 Nisani201 wrote: The problem is that, even if someone does check him tomorrow night, that doesn't mean that you will automagically know his alignment. The DT isn't going to claim just so you can know what Jackal's alignment is. Of course we don´t want him to claim immediately, but he can breadcrumb, or wait a few days and claim when there´s more info. If Jackal´s scum, then we know when the DT claims or dies, and can lynch then. The only way this would not work is if Jackal is Scum AND there is no DT, or if the DT ignore this plan and checks someone else. | ||
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On September 13 2011 11:29 wherebugsgo wrote: Early breadcrumbing is advantageous to mafia. In XLIV I breadcrumbed and just railed all over mafia for one day before getting shot. IMO it's just because we don't have the ability to identify power roles as quickly as mafia. They have more information than we do, so they can narrow down the possibilities more quickly. Putting potential targets out there before we have any reasonable discussion is just asking to get set up. I mean, if you're telling DTs to check Jackal, assuming we have a DT, what's stopping a potential framer from just targetting him that night? It's better for them to decide for themselves who to target rather than tell them how to play their own role. This is my opinion, at least, as IMO it prevents WIFOM situations and false reads. Okay, minor point on early breadcrumbing, good point on the Framer. Perhaps everypony else is better at finding breadcrumbs, but I´m having problems finding them even after the flip. It´s a small game, but we can´t be sure if there are any detectives or framers. If there is a framer or there exists no DTs, then this plan fails. I´d say it´s not very likely that there is a framer in the game, but we probably don´t want to risk it. | ||
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On September 13 2011 11:58 chaos13 wrote: Not something I would expect from Forumite. His play in Cosmic Horror was solid, and I think I've played another game with him that he did very well in. If I live tonight I'll go back and check to confirm that. Depends on what you mean with very well, I survived for very long as a hidden DT in XXXIX, but it didn´t feel like I was helping that much, and we lost in the end. My pack won Werewolf Mafia, after I was found by the rival scum and lynched halfway through. Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia was a win, as scum gave up when we closed in on them. Why wouldn´t you live tonight, Chaos13? | ||
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On September 13 2011 12:20 GreYMisT wrote: The only thing I can see in the post is that the phrase "the key word being 'seemed'" seems out of place, but that may be stretching things waaaaay too far. There doesnt seem to be anything about the setup other than what you mentioned sevryn. other than the elements of harmony possibly being a mechanic, the phrase "nightmare moon has returned" might indicate a third party of some kind? Nightmare Moon is more likely the leader of the Scum, represented in flavor or by a player, rather than a third party. The Daypost includes the usual death of someone, loads of flavor, and the three lines of things happening. The elements of harmony are the only thing that stand out there. Honesty and all that, going to the Ever Free Forest to find some rocks is only half of our problems, the real problem is finding scum, and it´s been quiet since the pressure on me. The real day just started, this is not the time to get complacent. | ||
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On September 13 2011 14:14 sinani206 wrote: Can someone who watches the show explain what Nightmare Moon is? It might be useful to help solve whatever is hidden in the post, something like the roles or numbers of the mafia. For this size of a game, it´s most likely 3 Scum and 10 Town. | ||
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On September 13 2011 18:43 Lucidity wrote: How can you say we can't rely on Blues and then soon after suggest an entire strategy around Jackal's alignment which relies completely on a Cop? I really don't like that you want to "catch him" with a check, even when he looks innocent. That could easily suggest a framing on Mafia's part of Jackal. On the other hand, you could be setting up a DT check on your Godfather (If Jackal is scum and there is a GF I think there's a big probability that he is it). Either way, it looks quite bad. Explain? Apart from the idea of Jackal being the godfather, it was all adressed and rejected yesterday allready. The original plan fails, more because of the possibility of Framers, than lack of cops. As for Jackal being the godfather, that´s reaching. If there is one, why is it more likely that Jackal is the one, and why then would I want to call attention to him? If I vouch for Jackal being Town, and then flip red, then Jackal goes down too. | ||
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Anyway, this was my plan before Framers entered the picture. I works without a DT, but if there is a DT, then we have to be able to trust his check. If I save a player from a lynch, then flip red, it throws a lot of suspicion on the one I saved, don´t you think? Godfathers, are they always chosen among scum by the scum themselves? | ||
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On September 13 2011 20:30 Lucidity wrote: There is no voting thread? I guess not, but with so few players, it´s not that hard to find the voting posts and make a summary. | ||
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Chaos13, Part 3 was definetly not fluff. This is not like most games on this forum, where 4 votes can lynch in a 20 player game. We need 8 votes on the same person to lynch today, and that changes a lot, for how scum play, and how town play, but mostly it means that we either agree or we don´t lynch at all, forcing everyone to be more aggressive with the voting. As for your random pressure, I knew it was random pressure. If I knew it was not serious, why would I defend Jackal? | ||
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On September 13 2011 21:18 chaos13 wrote: By now he's realized how scummy he is being by sticking to his same idea, so he looks for a way out. It's a meager way out, but mafia can wriggle when they want to. This is just weak. There are so many possibilities where your plan could have gone wrong that it shouldn't have taken so long to have one of them pointed out to you. Point out the problems with the plan. | ||
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On September 13 2011 08:01 Forumite wrote: With everyone accusing me of avoiding questions, I think I´d like some old ones of my own answered. AA, wasn´t the Goons there part of Town? How´s your Veteran Metagame? Lucidity, what role did you have in Arkham Asylum? Arkham Staff, basically a normal Goon? Is there something in your Veteran Metagame that makes those games useless for metagame purposes? | ||
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On September 13 2011 22:08 Lucidity wrote: I played as a Goon and a Vet in PM games, so a lot of discussion is not in the thread at all. I've played 1 game as Green, 1 as Blue and 1 as Red. I don't think I have any kind of reliable meta on here. Ah, PM games, that doesn´t help much. Nevermind then. On September 13 2011 22:01 chaos13 wrote: Yeah, I know it applies to the game, but if anyone isn't aware of it already it's because they haven't read the OP. The bolded is exactly my question. I saw random pressure, I didn´t think there was real substance behind it, but it did reminded me about the general opinion on Jackal, that if he´s not dead within a few days, then he´s scum. I checked the rolelist of some old games, the games I checked where he was Town had him dead by nightkill or lynch before Day 3. This seemed odd for an active player to get lynched so often, and so when I was doing policy on lurkers, I threw in policy on Jackal too. | ||
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GM, do we need 7 or 8 votes to lynch today? Greymist, My FoS on you was because you congratulated Town on being inactive and spamming a lot. | ||
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On September 13 2011 23:31 Jackal58 wrote: Anybody on what the "Elements of Harmony" are? I'm at work and I'm not getting caught dead wiki'ing rainbows and ponies.  In the second episode, Twilight and her 5 friends found the Elements of Harmony, in the form of 5 stones. They are Honesty, Kindness, Laughter, Generosity and Loyalty, and were used together to call on the 6th element, Magic. Then they did a 6-pony magic ûbercombo and defeated Nightmare moon, making her 20% less cool, but much more cute. | ||
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On September 14 2011 06:40 Sevryn wrote: brb 3 hours I would still like to hear from forumite What did you want to hear from me about? | ||
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I remember Curu from WW-mafia, I expect this kind of play of chainsaw scumhunting from him. I prefer not to lynch lurkers as a policy, and sinani206 is not a lurker anymore. However, when arguing with Curu, he felt like he was getting riled up too much, with trollposts, with cursing before and after GM told them to calm down. That´s the part I feel is off, the anger, not the cursing. It´s good that he´s posting again, but what he did post felt scummy to me. ##Vote sinani206 I would like to hear the opinions of Jackal, Dreamflower and Lucidity, mostly on sinani/nisani. | ||
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Forumite (0) DroneAllDay (1) 6-Dreamflower tnkted (1) 8-wherebugsgo Greymist (0) OriginalName (0) Sinani206 (3) 9-Greymist 10-Curu 16-Forumite Curu (3) 13-chaos13 14-nisani201 15-sinani206 Dreamflower (0) Abstaining (Modkills) (5) Lucidity Sevryn DroneAllDay Jackal58 tnkted | ||
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On September 14 2011 23:02 DroneAllDay wrote: Man... Fuck physics was too busy and now I'm Possibly dead (cuz that thing isn't official) sorry. But I just read the thread and just in case I'm still allowed too (I'll say why when I'm not on an ipod assuming GM let's me ##Vote:Curu I don´t expect a quick answer since it will take you a while to get current with the discussion, just wondering about your reasoning behind voting Curu. | ||
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On September 14 2011 23:45 Curu wrote: @Forumite Anger is not a scumtell. You're not seeing the parts that actually matter. Look at how ready Nisani and sinani were to gang up on me. Look at how both were willing to vote for someone else for lurking/wanting to lynch lurkers but not for each other despite them pushing the same ideas. Look at sinani's Pro Mafia mindset of "asking for information is scummy." Why does he think that? Because "asking for Town to give reads so you can blend in is scummy." He basically said that all the people I was asking are Town; if he had thought of the possibility of there being Mafia in there, he would've obviously seen that pushing them to put their opinions into the thread would help catch them. Instead he somehow knows they're all Town? Who would have that information? Hmmmm. I know about how nisani/sinani defend eachother and their inconsistency with Lynch-All-Lurkers, but I don´t want to assume that the only reason possible is that they are scumbuddies. Defending someone doesn´t make both of you scum, so I´m focusing on sinani only for now. I agree with what you are saying, I just don´t want to assume anything, and get hooked up on WIFOM. | ||
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9-Greymist 10-Curu 16-Forumite 22-Dreamflower Curu (2) 15-sinani206 20-DroneAllDay tnkted (2) 8-wherebugsgo 21-Sevryn Forumite (1) 17-Chaos13 Dreamflower (1) 18-tnkted Chaos13 (1) 19-Jackal58 wherebugsgo (1) 23-Nisani201 DroneAllDay (0) Greymist (0) OriginalName (0) Abstaining (Modkills) (1) Lucidity | ||
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On September 15 2011 03:33 Sevryn wrote: Alright guys im going to work so I will not be around for the nightpost. I think tnkted or sinani206 are the best lynches atm and since we only need 7 getting a lynch shouldnt be that hard. I am going to leave my vote on Tnkted because i think he is the best lynch. Emphasis mine. The red text might not be scummy, but it´s wrong. It´s impossible getting a lynch going when everyone votes on the candidate they want lynched, no matter if anyone else agree. Perhaps he didn´t know how the votes were, but I doubt tnkted is not going to get 7 votes before the end of the day, so that vote looks wasted. Not voting on a leading candidate is a vote to not lynch at all. | ||
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Perhaps he didn´t know how the votes were, but I doubt tnkted is going to get 7 votes before the end of the day, so that vote looks wasted. | ||
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I think Curu is Town. I get a scumread from sinani206 and tnkted. I´m open to switching to tnkted if needed. | ||
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WBG, I understand that tnkted is a likely scum, but he won´t be lynched today. Your vote is wasted on tnkted, or worse, the reason we get a no-lynch. | ||
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On September 15 2011 08:58 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm prepared to switch my vote but I really don't think sinani is the best lynch. It looks like he has the best chance of getting lynched though. I'll be here to switch my vote as necessary. Why not switch now? There is no possibility of the lynch swinging to tnkted, but if your vote is on sinani206, then there is less risk of us ending up at 7, and then have someone drop off. | ||
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On September 15 2011 09:14 wherebugsgo wrote: Oops, I just noticed we only have 6 votes on Sinani. I thought we had 7. ##unvote tnkted ##vote sinani206 I've kept my vote on tnkted because I don't think sinani would be bandwagoned so fast if he was scum. We also still have 2 hours left in the day so I don't think it's a huge deal anyway. Assuming 3 scum, then there are plenty of players to form a bandwagon without scum. | ||
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On September 15 2011 11:14 Jackal58 wrote: Only scum ctrl r Jackal is a Sith! | ||
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On September 15 2011 11:19 Nisani201 wrote: rofl You sound like you saw that from a mile away. | ||
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On September 15 2011 11:28 Jackal58 wrote: He ctrl+rs Apparently my tail is twitching for reasons "I don't yet understand" Any of you steeped in MLP lore know what this may mean? It means something bad will happen. One character of the Mane 6, Pinkie Pie, has limited precognition as one of her many abilities, shown by her ears flopping, tail twitching, etc. I think "Tailtwitchy" means something will fall down from somewhere. | ||
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On September 15 2011 11:40 Nisani201 wrote: Quick question: does a 2-1 trade benefit town or scum? (2 townies die for 1 scum dying) Only if that includes nightkills. | ||
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Jackal, why Curu? | ||
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On September 18 2011 03:43 Jackal58 wrote: Dreamflower and Forumite need to step it up as well. Reading through the thread as you said that. I believe Jackal and tnkted's claim, and we should back off from them. It´s a closed game, and the simplest solution is that they got something interesting in their PMs, not that Scum suddenly tried an extremely risky gambit to get two of their own killed. In my eyes, they are confirmed Town, although how long they´ll last is anyones guess. WBG, I feel like he knows what´s going on, and he´s not being honest about it. Anyway I think backing off from him might be a good idea too. Right now I´m leaning towards Nisani as the next lynch, and I want to know if the case will hold up before scrutiny. | ||
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Curu, what do you think about WBG? | ||
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On September 18 2011 05:12 wherebugsgo wrote: Jesus Christ you guys are fucking slow. This is a breadcrumb. I have one of the pieces of honesty. I thought you guys were getting pieces together so I wanted to help you out. That´s what I thought it was, but you haven´t used Honesty as a word earlier, so I wasn´t sure. WBG, I have the other piece of Honesty. What shall we do about it? | ||
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I´m okay with sending both to Jackal to confirm him and ourselves. | ||
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On September 18 2011 05:53 wherebugsgo wrote: alright, I'll figure out what to do with the piece. If we have a medic they need to prot Jackal tonight. I suggest we get it fixed now, then figure out where to hide the piece, we need it combined before the night, and before we do, neither you nor I are confirmed Town. On September 18 2011 05:59 GreYMisT wrote: Forum, what is your pick for a good lynch target today, if we are to assume that you, WBG, tntked, and jackal are all town for the moment. Off the top of my head, I´d say Nisani, one of the few Day1 suspects still alive and unconfirmed, but I really don´t feel confident calling it yet, I´ve caught up with reading, but haven´t made a thorough analysis of any suspects. | ||
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We can openly talk about combining in this thread, because once it´s combined, we can confirm eachother, then move it around to avoid loosing it to a nightkill. Don´t fear scum reading this yet, just tell me if you believe my early breadcrumbs. If you do, please send me your part, if not, then we have to solve this some other way, before we loose a piece to a nightkill. My early breadcrumbs: + Show Spoiler + On September 13 2011 18:03 Forumite wrote: Nightmare Moon is more likely the leader of the Scum, represented in flavor or by a player, rather than a third party. The Daypost includes the usual death of someone, loads of flavor, and the three lines of things happening. The elements of harmony are the only thing that stand out there. Honesty and all that, going to the Ever Free Forest to find some rocks is only half of our problems, the real problem is finding scum, and it´s been quiet since the pressure on me. The real day just started, this is not the time to get complacent. On September 17 2011 08:26 Forumite wrote: This is not the best start we could have given ourselves. I honestly thought we had a good chance on this lynch, all the elements seemed to fall into place, acting scummy, odd defenders, reluctant votes, obviously we were only half right, looked scummy, wasn´t scum. We just have to piece together what we have. There should be a lot of interest about the day and voting, but I doubt the nightkill will shine much light on scum, scum want us to WIFOM. Open actions are what we have to work with, kind of odd. Hmmm, too fluffy, whatever. Jackal, why Curu? | ||
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Also, Scootaloo is awesome... | ||
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I thought it was WBG who voted on me. Waiting to hear from WBG when he got his element. | ||
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On September 18 2011 06:52 wherebugsgo wrote: true datyeah it was a dumb question, I didn't read properly. fuck this I have no clue what's going on anymore I got mine D1, WBG got his N1. WBG and I can´t trust eachother, and so can´t combine our element. Bummer. WBG, when during the night did you get yours? Right on the nightpost? | ||
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On September 18 2011 07:06 wherebugsgo wrote: Here, have a muffin! *are you being purposely misleading or are you misreading god I need food WBG, it´s possible you got your piece late. You need to decide, do you trust me and my earlier breadcrumbs, or do you think I´m scum? If you don´t believe, then we need to solve this some other way, preferably without one of us dying. | ||
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---- Reading through the thread at the moment and noticed Sevryn doing a good job blending in. He´s never at the front or back of a lynch, mostly he´s just blending in. Anyone have an opinion on Sevryn? | ||
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On September 18 2011 07:42 tnkted wrote: Okay, you guys aren't following. Forumite says that he crumbed his item day 1. Problem is, nobody else (me, WBG, nor jackal) got our items until n1. This means that either Forumite got ONE HALF of the piece of honesty a day earlier than everyone else (which is ridiculous) or he's lying to get a piece of the puzzle for the scumteam. He's never had an item. I'm guessing that the element of honesty hasn't been split at all; just because ours was doesn't mean honesty is. WBG, if your item says it was split in half it probably was. Otherwise, it wasn't. BTW I'm not basing my proclaimations of towniness on the fact that they have items, I'm basing it on other stuff. WBG is probtown because he crumbed his shit when he knew what was happening and because he's been acting like a townie who can't communicate with people he needs to. He's not confirmed to the town at large, but he is to me. WBG: DO NOT GIVE THE ITEM TO FORUMITE. Today we lynch Forumite, the scum I caught red-handed. Tonight we shuffle the items around so that scum doesn't know who to hit, and we'll deal with tomorrow when we get there. Sound good to everyone? tnkted, do you base this on anything else than the fact that I got my element early? | ||
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On September 18 2011 07:48 tnkted wrote: Just so we're clear on this: Forumite are you claiming that you got your item d1? Maybe you should post some information on the item that only WBG would know, and he can confirm or deny. Maybe post all of the capital letters from the item PM. Correct, I got my piece right after the D1 post. The thing is, there´s no guarantee that our PMs are the same. WBG hasn´t said when he got his piece, so it´s possible that someone else had that piece before him (claim in that case), or it just came late. GM was active before the N1 post, so if someone handed his piece to WBG, then it might have been received a few hours before or after the nightpost. Either way, there´s no guarantee that the PMs are identical. | ||
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It did not contain a mason circle, we did not have the option to speak to eachother, we just got a piece each, and had to hope for a claim or breadcrumb to lead us to the other. I breadcrumbes, WBG didn´t until recently. Without a mason circle, it makes sense to get the pieces earlier, so there was more time to find the other holder. | ||
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All this depend on WGB or a mysterious 3rd pony confirming what I say, WGB can confirm that my Item-PM looks correct, he can confirm that he got his piece unrelated to the N1-post (suggesting it was given), or the pony who gave her piece to WGB can claim. It´s all up to other ponies now, the only thing I can do is give my piece to someone else before getting lynched, but I´m not even 100% sure on WGB, so who then should I give it to? | ||
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I´m leaning towards WBG getting his piece from somepony else, or GM just handing it out late. If you are that 3rd pony, please claim. There shouldn´t be bad for Town, should it? | ||
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On September 18 2011 10:29 Nisani201 wrote: I dunno, all I can do is confirm that Forumite does indeed have an Element of Harmony, and it was obtained on D1. What are you talking about? How can you confirm that? | ||
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---- The following look like town to me. Yes, they are not all confirmed, but it´s as close as they can be. tnkted and Jackal confirmed eachother and Nisani is off my scumlist for a non-scummy behavior. I think the first recipient must be Town, the second one doesn´t have to be. Makes sense, and means that WBG is not necessarily Town. 1.) dreamflower 2.) Sevryn 3.) Lucidity 4.) Forumite 5.) GreYMisT 6.) DroneAllDay replaced by Cyber_Cheese 7.) Jackal58 8.) Nisani201 9.) OriginalName replaced by Curu 12.) tnkted 13.) wherebugsgo I Say: I got my piece on Day 1, the other recipient did too. Which means: There´s another pony who has had the element of Honesty, but he/she hasn´t claimed. Conclusion: WBG got the element from a now dead pony. What happens with a piece when the owner dies? I can´t see a reason why a player would give the element to WBG, he wasn´t really the most Townie player earlier. How else could he get an element? Does scum get pieces from dead ponies? WBG got it with the Night 1 post Sinani201 dies with the Night 1 post... If WBG was Town, then he would have wanted to combine the element soon, preferably in the hands of a confirmed Town, like Jackal, before having it distributed, but again and again WBG has evaded the question, saying he wants more time. This suggests not that he´s unsure, but that he either doesn´t have it (lying scum), or doesn´t want it in the hands of Town (scum). WBG doesn´t play like I´d expect Town to do in this situation. ##Vote Wherebugsgo | ||
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On September 18 2011 11:52 Jackal58 wrote:Forumite - Are you in a PM circle with Nisani? Cause right now I'm inclined to lynch the shit out of him. Correct, I´m in a PM-circle with Nisani201. Until just now, I didn´t know his real name, but he claimed to confirm that I got my item on D1. Even ignoring that I want to keep the circle alive for its own sake, that claim to help me makes him Town in my book. I would think a scum would just look on as I got lynched. | ||
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On September 18 2011 11:56 Jackal58 wrote: Explain sooner rather than later. And from what I understand from GM the items are rng'd upon your death. I never got a clear answer on what happens to them after a pony dies. If it´s RNG, then WBG can still be scum, if someone gave it to him. | ||
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On September 18 2011 12:15 Curu wrote: Seriously? There I just posted in the circle. Are we allowed to post things from the QT? It took a while to update. I see it now. Okay, Curu is a member of the circle. | ||
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On September 18 2011 12:30 Curu wrote: You don't consider the possibility that there is a high chance of one scum in the circle? 3 Townie Masons in a game of this size would be completely broken. I consider that you and nisani CAN be scum, but I don´t think there is a guarantee that one in our circle must be scum. | ||
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On September 18 2011 13:18 Sevryn wrote: Okay I dont understand how people having the elements ties into role/alignment. can you guys tell me why its town to give it away? I think we should focus on analysis deciding who to lynch. I am about to go to bed after work now but i wanted to post that I am off 2morrow and will be on most of the day. I will be going though and posting some analysis, Scum, if they have a piece or a whole element, want to keep it secret, keep it safe, rather than claim and be forced to give it away, or get lynched for not confirming that they had a piece. | ||
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On September 18 2011 16:26 wherebugsgo wrote: You really should have checked that earlier, but whatever. So either you are scum and got it after nightkilling Chaos13, Chaos13 sent it to you right before dying (except he couldn´t have known that he would die), or you got it randomly after the holder died. We don´t know the exact mechanic of the pieces of Harmony, so I´m inclined to leave it at that, until tnkted gets back to us with wether or not he got the pieces. It´s up to what tnkted has got now. I sent the PM to GMarshal to send the piece to tnkted. Also, I made a mistake with respect to the timing of when I received my piece. I actually received my piece with the day 1 post, not the night 1 post (AKA September 13) That's the time stamp on the PM. I had another PM from GMarshal that I mistakenly thought was the piece PM in my inbox so I wrongly assumed that was the one for the receptacle. As for Nisani201, he´s the only thing confirming that I got my piece by day 1, before he came out with that, risking his own neck and claiming to me and Curu that he´s in our PM circle, then I was the one who looked like the lyer, since I got my piece before anyone else. I had allready claimed, so if he was scum wanting to destroy our Mason Circle, he could have just waited and nightkilled me instead. More or less the same for Curu, he risked himself too, and didn´t really gain anything from it, except calling himself in the open. Sure, Nisani and Curu are not 100% confirmed Town, but they act like Town. Good enough for me, so I´m not going to be party to a lynch on them. | ||
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---- Leaving that for now, I have Lucidity in my sights, probably a bit UMGUS because of his early vote on me, but his play since doesn´t help in dispelling that first impression. Not Scumtells: Pushing the first pony to look scummy (Me), not wanting to confirm Jackal+tnkted by lynching one of them. Scumtells: Wanting to discuss ponies D0. Discrediting metaanalysis on self. Push DF with WIFOM. Soft FoS on Curu for no reason. Short posts except on DF and when defending himself. Wasting his vote by leaving it on me D1. | ||
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On September 19 2011 00:34 tnkted wrote: Okay, I got em. Affirmative. ##Unvote ##Vote: Lucidity | ||
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On September 19 2011 00:33 sinani206 wrote: Scum! all this mason and honesty shit makes me glad i got lynched early | ||
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On September 19 2011 02:59 wherebugsgo wrote: Tnkted did you get both pieces? On September 19 2011 00:34 tnkted wrote: Okay, I got em. | ||
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On September 19 2011 04:56 Jackal58 wrote: Because we would have lynched him if he didn't. Same as we would have lynched you if you didn't. Noone knew that I and WBG had a piece each. If he was scum, why did he reveal the existance of his piece at all? | ||
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Your FoS on dreamflower day 1: + Show Spoiler + On September 14 2011 19:55 Lucidity wrote: Essentially this post served two purposes:
Lynching lurkers should be a last resort. Going after lurkers (and by lurkers she actually means INACTIVES) allows scum to not offer any opinions and simply sheep onto an easy vote. This is not an ideal situation to say the least. She discredits the cases against Forumite and Greymist, by simply saying that she doesn't like post by post analysis and that she thinks townies are accusing townies. Could you explain why you think townies are accusing townies dreamflower? You offer no reason to doubt the case based on actual discussion points. Simply "oh I'm unconvinced". Note the displeasure when she sees that someone else voted Forumite. So instead of waiting for other's opinions on the LaL strategy she proposed, she goes ahead with it to try and divert attention away from real scum hunting by voting for DroneAllDay. Look at the reasoning in that post.
She thinks his defense is inept. But somehow he does not deserve any attention. Instead she "guesses" she'll vote for DroneAllDay. Point? She's defending Forumite with no real reasoning. She puts her vote on an inactive, not a lurker. The part highlighted in red essentially explains why ON is where her vote should be. DroneAllDay is an inactive, which she doesn't want to go for. She wants lurkers, and ON is one. Yet her vote stays on DroneAllDay. She dedicates an entire paragraph to explaining why DAD is a bad vote, and then doesn't change it. Then she goes on to try and push the LaL objective. We shouldn't be lynching for information. DEFINITELY not on Day 1. We should be hunting scum. Lynching lurkers (inactives) is not scum hunting. It doesn't give us any information, which you think is important? Yet you still advocate lynching lurkers. Going after "real" targets actually DOES offer us information ito voting patterns, defenses e t c . Not that, that is our first priority, but it blows your LaL policy out of the water. tl;dr Defends Forumite and greymist with no reasoning. Pushes anti-town objective of lynching inactives instead of scum hunting. (Note that she really means inactives when she says lurkers, even though she indicated otherwise. Her posts make that clear enough.) Just checking, you are saying that with your vote on WBG and posting today, you purposefully act scummy, to draw out votes from us and Town? Seriously? | ||
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On September 14 2011 20:03 Lucidity wrote: I'll delve into that Curu/sinani/nisani shitstorm later. Curu has scarred me with his brilliant Mafia play in XLIII(IV)? No matter how town he looks I'm always going to be doubting him now -_- | ||
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I´ve read your case on WBG, skimmed it at least. Him forgetting when he got his piece, does it make him more scum? N1 makes less sense, as it must have come from Sinani, as Sinani wouldn´t have kept his piece when he was getting lynched and WBG didn´t look like the best one to send it to. The thing is, that when he got it doesn´t make him Scum, wether or not he lied about it might, if for example another Scum got it and that Scum told him the wrong day. Is that what you think? What looks weird is him pushing for more info from Jackal, even though he allready knew what they were talking about. He should have accepted earlier. That´s the part of your case on him I can agree with, at least before he gave up his piece. | ||
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On September 19 2011 06:36 tnkted wrote:@ WBG, Forumite: what powers did the shards of honesty have before they were combined? If I'm reading this correctly, either both forumite and WBG are scum and lying about the time they got their items (which doesn't make any sense since I DID recieve both shards, so weren't lying about having them) or neither of them are lying about the timing (which doesn't make any sense since virtually everyone else in the game with an item got it on n1). We got us a pickle here. I'm thinking we might have to lynch one of them to find out which I'm loath to do, but I can't see another way out of this mess. The piece didn´t have any power at all, no mason-circle, nothing. My theory on timings is that Chaos13 had the other piece, and when he died the next night, it was either randomized to Town, all players, or among Scum. Since we can´t really know which, I´m thinking he´s Town since he gave up the piece. Lucidity, while WBG could have been lying about when he got the piece, why was it better to say N1 than D1? Scum lie, but they usually need a reason to lie, why didn´t he just say D2 immediately? | ||
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Lucidity, while WBG could have been lying about when he got the piece, why was it better to say N1 than D2? Scum lie, but they usually need a reason to lie, why didn´t he just say D2 immediately? | ||
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On September 19 2011 06:58 Lucidity wrote: Because it didn't match up with the N1 claims of tnkted and Jackal. I refuse to believe that he forgot when he got the item. It is inconceivable. WBG saying he got it N1 because the others got it then, which made me look bad, until people believe and Nisani201 claimed, at which point it looked less scummy if he got it D2 instead of N1. It does look scummy, if he was hoping to get me lynched. I don´t know, it felt like a weak case then, but perhaps it would have gone to a lynch if it wasn´t for Nisani201. Okay, WBG did look scummy then, but he gave up his piece in the end. | ||
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On September 19 2011 07:10 Lucidity wrote: He had no choice but to give up his piece at that point. I didn't notice that he only said it was Day 1 after Nisani confirmed your claim. That makes it even more scummy. Ah, missed that, I thought he said he got it D2. So he got his piece when I got mine, not later on D2 when Chaos13 died. Changing to fit what looks best, that´s bad. The lack of breadcrumbing would work if he got his D2, but I would think he´d at least try to get the attention of someone if he got it D1. Could it have been a gambit to lure out an element, perhaps trick me into giving him my piece? | ||
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On September 19 2011 07:14 tnkted wrote: And @ Jackal: if there are really 12 pieces in the game, then that means everybody but lucidity got one, which means that when siani and chaos died their pieces were RNG'd which means two people got an extra shard, which means that they should claim so. There are probably 10-12 pieces in the game, but we only know for sure that 4 have been distributed, Loyalty on N1 and Honesty on D1, the other 6-8 are probably waiting to be sent out, or perhaps 2 have been sent out but the owners are keeping quiet. | ||
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On September 19 2011 07:21 tnkted wrote: Am I imagining things, or did Curu and nisani and somebody else claim to all be in a mason circle on quicktopic? Don't they have shards as well? Curu, Nisani and I have a quicktopic, but it´s not connected to pieces of Harmony, it´s due to us being, CUTIE MARK CRUSADERS, YEAH! | ||
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tnkted, I´m leaning towards keeping Lucidity alive. He does feel like town, the case against WBG is a decent one, logical, if we ignore that WBG did give up the piece. | ||
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On September 19 2011 08:06 GreYMisT wrote: LaL usally refers to Lynch all liars. Got it. Anyway, the lurkers Cyber and Sevryn need to pick up tonight. | ||
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On September 19 2011 08:33 Lucidity wrote: If Forumite ends up on my lynch he is easily scum. Please look at my posts regarding him in the early game and chaos' case against him. Since Night 1 Forumite has only posted Fluff and talked about the elements. His only attempt at scum hunting was an extremely weak case against me. He has now stated that he doesn't believe I'm scum anymore so that's self explanatory... But scumhunting is hard! I´ve succeeded with scumhunting once, in Cosmic Horror when I got Wiggles, after showing how scum forced a no-lynch. Apart from that, I´m not a good, nor confident scumhunter. Those I´ve checked this game have come up as blanks, not enough to post, or I post a case and it gets picked apart quickly, regarding Lucidity. I plan to be up a while more, so things might change, but for now: ##Unvote ##Vote: Cyber_Cheese | ||
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On September 19 2011 08:46 wherebugsgo wrote: and wtf I'm now unsure about tnkted and Jackal too. If this is a scum gambit it's a fucking good one, cause tnkted is voting me when I fucking gave him a piece. Are you stupid or are you scum? Lucidity explained all the points against you. Claiming you got your item N1 to conform with tnkted+Jackal, changing your mind once Nisani confirmed my claim on a D1 item, heavily pushing for Jackal to confess when you should have figured it out allready. If we ignore the fact that you gave up your piece, then you look more scummy than Lucidity. | ||
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On September 19 2011 08:51 GreYMisT wrote: Wait a minute, why would you ask him to do it then if it wouldn't absolve him? He was reluctant to accept me as a possible holder, not wanting to give up his piece before leaving for a long while, only doing it after I gave up mine and thereby forced him to do the same. It might as well have been a scum gambit, with all the trouble we went through to get that piece. | ||
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On September 19 2011 08:54 wherebugsgo wrote: These are all false. My claim of n1 was a mistake. I actually came out and said that myself (why would I do that as scum? I could've just kept quiet about it, it wouldn't have made a difference.) You guys are trying to use the N1 claim to label me as mafia when that's blatantly false. I never suspected you, Forumite. If I'd suspected you I would've voted you. It is probably a mistake, but at the time it made me look bad, and it took until Nisani vouched for me before you rechecked, before then I was risking a lynch. It doesn´t matter if it was a mistake or not, what happened fit what a scum would do in order to get me lynched, or maybe trick me into sending you my piece before then. We can´t verify the truth behind it, and it looks bad. | ||
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On September 19 2011 08:57 wherebugsgo wrote: So now my RL reason for leaving during the day is a reason for me being scum? What kind of shit is this? Read your own argument dude, it's not making any sense. I left because I needed to go eat and attend a Michael Moore event here in Berkeley last night (go google it if you don't believe me) After 4 hours I was back and the first thing I did was PM GMarshal to send the piece to tnkted. I didn't even know you gave up yours BECAUSE I WAS GONE. I tried to resolve the issue before you had to go, I even suggested sending to Jackal. Waiting would just delay needlessly, and cut 4 hours out of that day, because we focused on the elements and the holders instead of scumhunting. It´s not that you went away that looks bad, but that you stalled until you had to go. | ||
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On September 19 2011 08:59 wherebugsgo wrote: So I'm scum because I made you look bad? Lol. If you were scum, then it would have been a good way to get an element for Scum, lynch a Townie, at worst at the cost of your life the day after. | ||
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On September 19 2011 09:01 GreYMisT wrote: When does the day end? I think in 2 hours. | ||
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On September 19 2011 09:10 Jackal58 wrote: Nope. Have not changed a thing. If my lynch helps to secure a town victory I'm all for it. Of Forumite, WBG, and Lucidity at least 1 is definitely scum if not 2 of them. I personally see it as most likely 1 atm. If WBG flips town I don't know yet which of the other two is going to flip scum but one of them will. What does Lucidity have to do with the ones confirming elements? Killing off Town to confirm is a bad idea IMO. Ignoring any doctor-abilities of the elements, if we kill a Town to confirm another, then that one will just get shot down tonight, and we´re 2 Town down, just like yesterday. As there are several Town who have handled the elements, there are plenty of targets for Scum to kill, and we can´t save them all. | ||
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On September 19 2011 09:15 wherebugsgo wrote: If I were scum I would've happily kept quiet about having a piece and I would've definitely never sent it to tnkted. That would just be suicide. A piece does you no good, but if you could get me to send you the other piece, and at the same time get me killed, then it´s 3 town down and an element in Scum hands, in return for your life. Before I sent to tnkted, you were never forced to do the same, and with some persuasion, perhaps I would have sent mine to you without any fuzz. After that, you could have said you hadn´t gotten a piece, and I would have been lynched as a liar. If it wasn´t for Nisani, my breadcrumbs, and tnkted, that could have been a possibility. I don´t have any proof that this would have happened, but it could have happened, if it was anyone else who didn´t breadcrumb or had a Cutie Mark Crusader buddy. And no, I don´t think WBG is scum, just exploring the possibilities here. He could be scum, that´s what I wanted to check. Lucidity, arguing with him makes him look Town to me, despite pushing for WBG. He´s explained what he was up to, and his reasons are not scummy. If he´s scum, then it´s because he´s pushing on someone we want to have confirmed, not because of the way he´s pushing. | ||
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On September 18 2011 03:28 Jackal58 wrote: My tail was twitching. This apparently means an object is about to fall on us. It did. Half to me. Half to Twinkles. Each half is useless by itself. We were allowed to PM each other. I suggested to tnkted we both keep our separate halves until we can identify a person as being confirmed town. Then pass them to him/her. He agreed. Later he feared he was about to die. So rather than have the item rng'ed he gave it to me. So now I have it in it's entirety. It is a single item now. If tnkted were scum he would have passed it to a scum buddy. No way would he have gave it to me. If I were scum tnkted would be dead right now so he couldn't talk about it. But that's not proof I'm not scum. That's WIFOM. My flip is proof I'm not scum. And tnkted is confirmed townie. No way in hell would scum give it up. And no I'm not telling what it does nor who currently has it. | ||
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On September 19 2011 09:39 GreYMisT wrote: You are right, tntked gave his piece to Jackal who then gave the completed piece to tntked. This completely eliminates the 3rd possibility in my eyes, however the 1st and 2nd are still viable options. While they might be both red, if they are that ballsy, but if we haven´t hit jackpot, killing one Town to confirm another feels counterproductive. We would probably end up with 2 dead Town today, that´s why I don´t like killing to confirm. It´s just lynching for information. | ||
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On September 19 2011 09:46 Jackal58 wrote: If we were both scum you would know nothing about the item at all. I would have it and we'd be lynching tnkted today. Ya I'm a boss like that. Or tnkted would allready be dead by last nights nightkill. | ||
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On September 19 2011 09:50 Forumite wrote: Or tnkted would allready be dead by last nights nightkill. Misread your post, thought you meant if Jackal was scum and tnkted Town, then tnkted would have died yesterday. Nevermind. | ||
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On September 19 2011 09:50 wherebugsgo wrote: You have no proof because I never had any sort of intention to do anything like that. Ever. This is horrible, convoluted logic. The simplest explanation wins, and clearly this is not the simplest explanation, because if that's what I wanted to do I would've actually made signs that I wanted your piece. I never asked for it. If I was scum I probably would've hinted that I would be a better recipient than tnkted, but I didn't do that, did I? I´m not proving your guilt, just the possibility of guilt, and while it´s convoluted logic, it paints a logical train of thought both from a scum and town perspective. You didn´t have to tell me to give you my piece, it was always on the table, and always one of the ways to clear up the situation. I repeatedly asked you to make up your mind about giving your piece to me. You could have said that you didn´t trust me, that I should give you my piece. I was waiting for an answer, on if I would get the piece or if I should give mine away, because I felt a lynch coming on. Before Nisani vouched for me, there was enough pressure that I might have given you the piece just to keep it among living ponies. It could have worked, and that you didn´t say you wanted the piece doesn´t mean anything, because it was always the most likely outcome, thanks to your mistake with the PM. | ||
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On September 19 2011 10:01 GreYMisT wrote: Let us not forget, when lucidity came under attack he began posting like a madman, attacking WBG, then attacking forumite when you pointed out the fact that WBG gave up his piece without knowing what it would be. He also attacked jackal around that time as well. The trouble with today is I strongly believe that one or more of Cyber, Nisani, Sevryn, dream, and curu are scum. But unless we all want to go for a random lurker lynch we dont have enough to go on for any of them. actually does anyone know why we stopped voting for nisani? things got chaotic a few pages back. did he have a piece or was it because he was in a PM circle? We stopped voting for Nisani after he cleared me of suspicion about me getting my element early. I think Lucidity was suspicious about WBG before he came under suspicion, and since he´s been defending the case that I thought it was scummy of him to make, not trying to make a case to divert attention. | ||
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On September 19 2011 10:04 wherebugsgo wrote: This doesn't make sense. First of all, I thought it would be best to give the piece to one of you or tnkted without saying who received it. Then I realized it didn't matter if I did it that way and decided to just say that I'd given it to tnkted in the thread. Never once did it cross my mind that you would think of giving me the piece. It just doesn't make sense to give me the piece, and it didn't make sense to me to give my piece to you either. Both of us were unconfirmed at this point in time, so the proper choice would've been between tnkted and Jackal. I chose to give it to tnkted because it was public that my choice was between you and tnkted. Lastly, there was never any pressure for you to get lynched and you know that. I don't understand why you're saying that now, it's not making sense to me in the slightest. The lynch hadn´t taken on speed yet, but there were votes on me. Those votes were on me because you said you got your item on N1, the time tnkted and Jackal got theirs. If you had posted the correct time the first time, then there would have been no suspicion on me. As for tnkted, I don´t remember you saying you would send your piece to him until after I had allready done so, which forced you to do the same. If you hadn´t presented your piece at that time, you´d have been lynched, so giving it to tnkted was what you needed to do, independant of alignment. But you have one point, I never showed that I might send my piece to you, because you never answered me if you thought I was Town. | ||
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On September 19 2011 10:08 Jackal58 wrote: Question for you Forumite. Did you tell Nisani and Curu in your QT that you received an item? I asked them if they got an interesting PM with the daypost. I didn´t want to say more in case one of them were scum. None of them said they had gotten a PM, so I assumed that only a few pieces had been distributed, and left it at that. | ||
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On September 19 2011 10:21 GreYMisT wrote: Forumite you are in a similar position I am voting for someone who wont get lynched. who do you want to go for today? WBG can´t accept that what he did could have been done exactly the same by a scum, which is weird, but since the element claims and until now, I feel we can make do without a lynch today. If everyone wants to lynch WBG, then I can move my vote, I won´t force a no-lynch. | ||
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On September 19 2011 10:33 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm not accepting it because it's a hypothetical. The real fact of the matter is that I'm town, so you're wasting a ton of time by focusing on me. Do you understand now? You might be Town, but I´ve proven that it´s not proven that you are Town. See? | ||
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On September 19 2011 10:38 wherebugsgo wrote: We can say the same about anyone in this game. We could say that about you too! The instant you were pressured at all by votes that should've screamed "easy lynch" to you, you begin this rant about me being mafia, completely disregarding everything else I've done. That makes sense from a scum agenda too! When someone puts things like you've done, you can come to whatever conclusion you want. It's just bad logic. Actually, almost everything you did after tnkted and Jackals claims until you gave over the piece to tnkted has looked like suspicious to me. That´s why I didn´t send you my piece earlier, because you acted weird. I disregarded it due to the final result, you giving up the piece, but by that time you didn´t have a choice, so it doesn´t mean much. | ||
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And you still want to lynch to confirm him? | ||
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On September 20 2011 06:05 Lucidity wrote: If anyone is to blame for the no-lynch, it is Jackal, Forumite and greymist. There is AT LEAST one scum in there. Don't forget it. Does that mean you think WBG is scum? | ||
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On September 20 2011 09:09 wherebugsgo wrote: Nisani came out to defend me, Curu came out to try to get me lynched on a weak case. That´s why I think nisani is Town. in the context of the QT business between nisani/curu/Forumite I'm pretty sure one or two of those names are mafia. I doubt it's Forumite though, he was very reluctant to lynch me. In that case it's nisani/curu and they both very well could be mafia. If I'm still alive tomorrow I will be pushing the nisani lynch. On September 20 2011 09:20 Curu wrote: Not quite following here, Nisani said we shouldn´t trust blindly, he was accepting the possibility of scum among the Cutie Mark Crusaders, you however made the case that there MUST be a scum among us 3, and pushed for my lynch solely based on that. There´s nothing guaranteeing that there must be a scum among us, unless you know for a fact, by being one yourself. That´s why your case looks against me looks weird, and somewhat scummy. Look at how fiercely he was defending sinani. Stupid move for scum. He also proposed the scum-among-us idea for the 3 Mason circle. Stupid move for scum. ---- Of the remaining players, I´m most interested in Greymist. Just a feeling, mostly it´s him being wishy-washy and fitting in yesterday. I´ll see if there is any real evidence to back it up. | ||
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On September 20 2011 11:01 Curu wrote: Okay, let´s assume there´s one scum among us. Why me and not you? Because a 3 Townie Mason circle is so OP in a game with 13 people. GMarshal knows how to balance games. Still waiting for tnkted to make the report he promised us. Also, someone | ||
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My "soft FoS" on you was because I tried to understand what Lucidity was about, and test that case, it didn´t have anything to do with Nisani. After some hectic posting, you got frustrated but didn´t break or scumslip. Makes you look town, and there´s not much more to get from pressuring on that point. I think tnkted is more and more Town from what happened tonight. He had the pieces, and the only reason they would roleblock me would be if the elements had gone to me. I´still worried that he didn´t post before the daypost like he promised. | ||
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He´s pushing that there must be a scum among us 3, he must know he could just as well be the one. | ||
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You mean tnkted? He posted that he would reveal his plan right before the daypost, why would he do that if he didn´t expect to be up at the deadline? | ||
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On September 20 2011 12:01 Erandorr wrote: Since you dont seem to get why I am kinda weirded out: Eh because either he is town and knows that so he isnt even thinking about that so your question is just stupid. Or he is scum and still posting under the assumption that he is town. I sort of think Curu just might know what his own role is, and that THAT is your only defense at this point in the game just baffles me. Asuming you are town you should either think he is full of shit and scum or wrong about the circle and town. But you are not saying "LOL scrub I know I am town so it must be you" but instead say "well uhm IT COULD BE YOU TOO". Saying "I´m Town" doesn´t prove anything, you know? My point is that Curu has looked scummy earlier in this game. He is the primary cause that Sinani got killed, he´s been lurking, wasted votes, and his original case on me was based solely on "It´s not me so it must be you", without considering that we COULD all be town, and Nisani could of course be scum, although I doubt that. | ||
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On September 20 2011 17:38 Lucidity wrote: I received one part of the element of kindness on Night 2. I propose that everyone who received elements of kindness send them to me. We need some diversity (all eggs in 1 basket and all that) and if you trust tnkted, you can trust me. Yay, another piece! I agree that we don´t want all in one basket, but wouldn´t claiming be a good thing to do before sending it over? That way we can confirm when you got it, if that detail should ever be important. Also, while I think you are Town, the circumstances that made tnkted trustworthy enough to get elements don´t really apply here. | ||
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On September 20 2011 19:01 Cyber_Cheese wrote: I just realised I missed an important connection, notice that previously my linking was mostly forumite latching onto the others, possibly in an attempt to look town when they flip. The chance of mafia getting three pieces of the elements before day 2 seem low, so it leads me to thinking Tnkted and Jackal are actually townies. Nisani waits until nobody claims half of an element from day 1 before proceeding to 'clear' Forumite. Their QT has nothing to do with the elements. I would like to put forward the idea that the cutie mark crusaders are the theme for the mafia's ponies, which would match up with s1e17. They wandered into the forest looking for cutie marks, and the cockatrice in the forest is petrifying those who would search for them. + Show Spoiler [Don't use this as evidence] + Just a little thing I noticed : despite being first on the replacements list, Curu was chosen to fill the missing role, I believe this is because I proved myself to be incredibly nooby in my first game, Cosmic horror mafia, where GM was participating as TheFerryman I believe this is because ON was a mafia, and GM thought it better that a pro took the mafia spot So, you assumed I was scum, and then based your other analysis around that, and now you are doing it again. Do you still think Jackal+tnkted lied about their mason-circle, or is that not convenient evidence anymore? Yes, it has been proposed that the CMC are actually a scum circle, but in that case, why did I claim an element? That Nisani would help me if I got into trouble makes sense, but why would then Curu jump out and start accusing me immediately after the others claimed? There was no pressure on him revealing himself, not from me or Nisani, nor from Town in general. If we are all scum, why is it a good idea to reveal ourselves in connection to eachother? Scum don´t want connections that can implicate them all. If there are two scum that go down together, then there´s a third one desperately trying to look Town by lynching them. Based on that, us all being scum really doesn´t make any sense at all. | ||
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On September 20 2011 19:03 Cyber_Cheese wrote: No, that was merely an explaination of my beliefs from yesterday, with some reasoning, and a placeholder vote just in case I don't get around to moving it. In hindsight, the names shouldn't be red. Why shouldn´t it be red? Your analysis on Jackal seemed to suggest he´s definetly scum, unless the hindsight you mean is that you changed your mind entirely on those two. | ||
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On September 20 2011 19:15 Cyber_Cheese wrote: And based on scum knowing that, they could use it to their advantage to save the third person by choosing to link them, it's a very wifom scenario. And you are using a WIFOM argument to make that point. If the best plan is to keep scum disconnected whenever possible, and putting all the scum forward as a united team is the worst plan, why choose the worst plan? | ||
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On September 20 2011 19:24 Cyber_Cheese wrote: None of my arguments so far are solid, it's all rough speculation. Unless it matches up with pre-existing arguments, it should taken with a very sceptical outlook, which the choice of red doesn't imply in the slightest. I'm curious as to why you chose to first discredit my arguments and then when I chose to discredit them to an extent them myself, you suddenly want me to commit to only one of them. And now you are backing off, but keeping the vote on me... You do know you are voting on me, right? Of course I´m going to discredit them, especially if the case is going to be this weak. | ||
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On September 20 2011 12:09 tnkted wrote: Okay last night I roleblocked forumite with my role ability (haunting sounds lol) and used the wifom from whether I'd use the bulletproof or the medic to use neither ability and instead used the name check on lucidity. Right, you are Zecora and have a roleblock ability, but why use it on me? I guess it makes sense to have a Town Roleblocker in a game where everyone could get a nightpower. | ||
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On September 20 2011 20:35 Cyber_Cheese wrote: But you stopped discrediting them long enough to commit to making me specifically target Jackal why? Because it was a trap designed for you to prove your scumminess, the case on Jackal was inappropriately the strongest, when blaming him for chaos's death didn't actually make any sense Chaos did at no point accuse Jackal, and therefore the whole NK WIFOM section belongs under Tnkted. You chose to overlook it, because it was convenient that I had 'forgotten' that the main person he had accused was you. Were you trying to make a trap there? Why did you make the cases so bad then? There are loads of things you left out of that analysis. True, I missed the purposefully wrong argument, because there were so many other arguments you left out. As for Chaos13, you accusing me because Chaos13 died after making a case against me, there´s a word for that, WIFOM. If I´m scum, it would make sense for me to kill the one pushing for me, but it makes just as much sense for scum to kill Chaos13 if I´m Town, to put suspicion on me, or kill Chaos13 because he´s a good player. Nightkills are not evidence of anything but the role and alignment of the one killed. | ||
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On September 20 2011 22:14 tnkted wrote: Oh, BTW, the fact that he knew he was blox means that he tried to use an ability last night, which means he has an ability, which means he's either a blue like me or the mafia. Or I just got a PM that I was roleblocked. Anyway I think it was a waste, that roleblock would have been better for when Scum got a hold of an element to stop them from burning those powers. | ||
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On September 21 2011 03:30 Cyber_Cheese wrote: So what exactly about the plan is bad logic or scummy? I'm a replacement who's been largely inactive in this game, rather than need to go through and make a very solid case that explained everything I thought about everyone, I could go about it and lay a trap for scum to waltz into, and you waltz'd perfectly. Especially since your strongest 'evidence' in throwing that vote on me was the arguments I admitted to being particularly weak yesterday AND you are not a part of those three people that declared to have a circle. If we needed evidence on Lucidity, this seems to be it. ##Unvote Forumite ##Vote Lucidity Cyber, you are not helping your case when you post bad plans as traps, and react instantly with OMGUS on anyone disagreeing. Your plan was bad, posting what everyone thinks helps scum to blend in, it´s not surprising that Lucidity reacted the way he did. First it´s Me+Jackal+tnkted, then it´s Me+Curu+Nisani, then it´s Me+Curu+Lucidity, and you do this without considering the implications of the changes, you just change to include the latest suspects. With removing Nisani, does that mean that the CMC has 2 scum and one town? That you base it all around your idea that I MUST be scum makes it even worse, not only because I´m Town, but also because you miss things, and see scumtells where there are towntells. When reading this post, I expect you are thinking "Lucidity and Forumite both attack me when I attack them, they must both be scum", right? If it only took one post from Lucidity to change your mind on the make-up of the scumteam, how can you be sure on this last one? If tnkted disagree with your bad posting, does that make him scum too? | ||
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On September 21 2011 06:29 GMarshal wrote: I had someone who possibly was able to replace but needed to check something about their schedule. this was about 18 hours ago, waiting to hear back from him. If the player does show up, do we get an extended day to hear more from him/her? | ||
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On September 21 2011 14:43 Nisani201 wrote: I'm going to hope like hell that there is someone in a different timezone that knows what I'm talking about. If anyone has anything to say, please say it. Are you sure it´s Honesty that you want? Honesty has allready been completed and is either in the hands of tnkted or Jackal. I think Kindness, and perhaps one other, is distributed as pieces right now, but Honesty is complete. | ||
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On September 21 2011 13:52 Curu wrote: F orumite is not a Townie Town, O bviously guys just look at his frown! R ed are his intentions for this Pony land, U ntil he is banished by Town's righteous hand. M agic is friendship or maybe the other way around, I think we need to love and tolerate Forumite into the ground. T o teach this scummy Pony that friendship is truly the way to go, E veryone should absolutely positively vote Forumite, no one say no! When I eventually flip Town, who do you suspect of being Scum then? | ||
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On September 21 2011 17:31 Lucidity wrote: Is no one going to come forward with the elements of Kindness? Everyone alive has been here since you announced the first time, so either the owner missed it, the owner died since N2 (DF and Greymist), the owner is a scum who doesn´t want petrification-proof ponies, or the owner is a Town who doesn´t trust your claim. I don´t see the problem with claiming as Town, so it´s probably one of the other alternatives, and apart from telling people again, there´s not much to do about it. | ||
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On September 21 2011 22:22 Nisani201 wrote: No you guys are wrong. I have the Element of Honesty, but I have to give it to someone in order for it to work. But I don't know if it's a specific person or just anyone. I have never held the complete element of Honesty so I don´t know what it does. Do you want it back right away, or is it an ability you are using when giving it away? | ||
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On September 21 2011 22:39 Jackal58 wrote: It didn't That's a lie. ##UNVOTE: ##VOTE: Nisani201. *facehoof* ##Vote: Nisani201 | ||
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On September 21 2011 22:55 Erandorr wrote: I dont exactly get what is going on here, why is that a lie and what is the element of honesty? Read the thread... The element of Honesty is an item which can freely be given away between ponies. I and WBG got the two halves of it during Night 1, and we both gave our pieces to tnkted, who combined them into the Element of Honesty. Nisani201 just claimed he has it, Jackal called him out on it, most likely because he holds the element of honesty himself. There´s only one element of Honesty, so Nisani201 (or Jackal58) is lying. Only Scum need to lie, so we lynch Nisani201. | ||
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On September 21 2011 23:29 tnkted wrote: I did it because I thought you were scummiest on the field. And there were no other elements in the field at the time when I blocked you, kindness just appeared this morning, and I had the rest of them. What did it block you from doing? I'd be suprised if you recieved a roleblock pm when you didn't try to do anything. I didn´t do anything tonight, I just received a PM saying I was roleblocked anyway. You might find it surprising, but apparently that´s how GM does it in this game. Your roleblock, it was a once-only, seems like such a waste when it could be used at the end-game to block a scum from using the elements. | ||
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On September 21 2011 23:37 Erandorr wrote: Btw this whole thing here convinced me even further that forumite is scum. Time to kill some scum ##vote forumite Humor me, what did your scumradar pick up on today? On September 21 2011 23:39 Nisani201 wrote: gahhh i messed it up ##Unvote ##Vote: Jackal58 I've found confirmed scum, and you're voting for Forumite? OK WBG, my top 3 scum suspects, just for you: Jackal, WBG, and Cyber_Cheese. Nisani, do you still hold the element, because in that case, there´s a simple way to prove it, give it to someone active (not me, I will be away from the computer for a few hours). If whoever you sent it to receive the item, we lynch Jackal for trying to frame you. If he doesn´t get it, then we lynch you for lying. Sounds good? | ||
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On September 22 2011 03:34 Nisani201 wrote: I breadcrumbed because I did not know if there was a specific person who was told that they needed the element. If I said HEY GUISE I GOTZ DA ELEMENT WHO WANTS IT HURRRR, then scum might ask for it. But breadcrumbing it would only make sense to the person who needed it (however obviously this got severely messed up because I was breadcrumbing the wrong element). Mind explaining my other "contradictions"? The stupid thing you did was breadcrumbing for an element that noone knew anything about. Every element in the game has since worked differently. Honesty, 2 pieces Loyalty, 2 pieces, holders may PM eachother until it´s combined. Generosity, allready combined, activates only when given away to another pony. Kindness, 2 pieces Because noone has any idea what Generosity does, breadcrumbing that you have it does absolutely nothing. For the others at least one other player knew the other element was in play and how to activate it, so breadcrumbs actually works if the right person see it, but Generosity was an unknown, so breadcrumbing for it does nothing at all, except draw nightkills to you. That being said, I´m just waiting for the piece to turn up before unvoting. It was a stupid mistake, but it´s not something a scum would do on purpose. | ||
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On September 22 2011 03:12 Lucidity wrote: A name is not the same as a time. I had to double check my element name before I posted as well. There's no way I wouldn't know that I got an item AT THE START OF THE GAME. Setting the facts straight: I got my piece of Honesty with the Day 1 post, not with the rolepost, it was around a realtime day between those. | ||
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Me and Nisani was suspicious about scum within the CMC-circle, Curu was certain from the moment he claimed. There is only one way to be certain, it being if Curu is scum. When everyone claimed, this was his chance of throwing (more) suspicion on me, and avoid looking bad as the only one not claiming, so he took the chance. | ||
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On September 22 2011 04:17 wherebugsgo wrote: Can we get a vote count oh powerful GMarshal? Working on it | ||
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On September 22 2011 04:00 wherebugsgo wrote: then comes this gem that just kinda fell out, contradiction #3 When he realized how big of a scumslip that would be (accusing Jackal of being confirmed scum then wanting to give the piece to him) he immediately makes up an excuse for changing his mind: So posts coming in quickly was a reason for you to accuse Jackal of being confirmed scum, then suddenly say you're sending him the element (wtf why would you send it to someone you thought was scum) then immediately backtrack when you saw how bad that looked to send it to tnkted? WBG does have a point here. Nisani didn´t just miss what the element was called, he saw what Jackal did not as a reason to recheck what was really going on, but jumping on it as a reason to lynch Jackal. If he had just gotten a new element, then there´s no chance that Jackal would have it, so what Jackal says doesn´t make any sense at all. It would only make sense to vote for Jackal if it was really Honesty he had received, because THEN Jackal would look extremely scummy for lying about sending away an element. Missing the name of the element in question is an honest mistake, but thinking that Jackal was contesting his claim to a previously unknown element just doesn´t make sense. tnkted, any update on elements? | ||
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On September 21 2011 23:30 Nisani201 wrote: I don't have a half of the element of honesty (that I know of). I have the full thing, all I know is that I have to give it to someone else in order for it to work. Jackal, what the fuck? First you lie about having the Element, and now you want me to give it to your scumbuddy? ##Vote: Jackal58 On September 21 2011 23:51 Nisani201 wrote: Giving the element to Jackal, hang on guys. These are the weird posts, first he votes on Jackal, then wants to give him the element. | ||
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On September 22 2011 04:54 Lucidity wrote: Forumite is confirmed scum at this point. If he believed he had the element of Honesty. And Jackal comes into the thread and says he has it. He's obviously going to jump right on that shit and vote Jackal. How is that not obvious? Explain the logic to me if he were scum. How does his actions make any sense as scum? If he was scum, and then claimed to have the element which Jackal has, then that throws suspicion at Jackal, and maybe even on tnkted when Jackal gives the element to tnkted to show he has it. Either Jackal or Nisani could be the one to be thrown in front of a lynch, if it was Jackal then it´s fine, if things turned bad then Nisani could recheck and remove suspicion on himself, but by then he might have delayed the game 6+ hours, if we just wait for GM to fix the item-PMs, and then wait for whoever is to receive the item. I´ve seen a game go silent for 23 hours because someone said he had an amazing analysis coming up, don´t tell me that´s pro-Town. | ||
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On September 22 2011 05:00 Lucidity wrote: I would be absolutely over the moon if you could be lynched today. Too bad Greymist died last night for suggesting we lynch you to confirm tnkted. I don't think anyone else sees how uninterested you are in hunting scum. You often come back to if someone is interested in hunting scum. You think I´m scum due to not scumhunting, even though I have a very non-aggressive playstyle, which is why I draw votes for being wishy-washy, but that´s just the way I play, it´s not a scumtell to me, because my Town metagame is not based around pressuring and hunting as much as other players. Now, the important question here is not how I play, it´s if it is normal for Jackal to scumhunt aggressively? Do you think he´s going for easy lynches and is carefull to not take an unpopular stand? | ||
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On September 22 2011 05:16 Lucidity wrote: That makes no sense as scum. Jackal AND tnkted claim that they have the element. So trying to go after Jackal alone is silly. Furthermore, they actually used the stone and got my name, WITH the "confused" part, which I didn't claim in thread. Coming late to the party and claiming to have Honesty and that that makes Jackal scum is RETARDED. Not only that, but the setup is all wrong. He didn't claim his element and call Jackal scum. He claimed his element and then it had to be pointed out by OTHERS that Honesty was already out there. And don't come with this "herp derp he never read the thread so that's why he tried the gambit". If Nisani is scum he's in a scum TEAM. They would have worked on the plan together. There's no way he would've fucked up like that. There's no way that plan would've even left the QT. Sorry, but you are attacking a derping townie, not someone playing pro scum. This is seriously eating at me now. It´s a gamble, but with sure way out if it goes bad. He also made the OMGUS on Jackal immediately, not waiting to hear a reasoned argument for it. It´s still a damn derpy plan. I want to hear back from tnkted about that though, if he really did have Generosity, then his plan only resulted in giving it up, which is crappy play. Unless anyone has missed this, my current suspects are in order Nisani201 and Curu, but waiting for tnkted about Nisani201. | ||
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On September 22 2011 05:27 tnkted wrote: Okay, I'm back, and I recieved my item. It is in fact generosity, he wasn't lying about that. It doesn't have any powers either. ##Unvote ##Vote: Curu | ||
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My bad, Day 1. The earlier times I claimed are correct. | ||
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Forumite (1) 17-Chaos13 Greymist (0) DroneAllDay (0) OriginalName/Curu (2) 15-sinani206 24-Nisani201 tnkted (1) 21-Sevryn Sinani206 (7) 9-Greymist 10-Curu 16-Forumite 22-Dreamflower 25-Lucidity 26-Jackal58 27-wherebugsgo Dreamflower (1) 18-tnkted Chaos13 (0) wherebugsgo (0) Nisani201 (1) 28-DroneAllDay Votes Day 2+ Show Spoiler + tnkted (0) wherebugsgo (4) 11-Nisani201 14-Lucidity 20-tnkted 24-Greymist Jackal58 (1) 8-Sevryn Nisani201 (2) 25-wherebugsgo 26-Jackal58 Forumite (2) 10-Cyber_Cheese 13-Curu Lucidity (0) Sevryn/Erandorr (0) Cyber_Cheese (1) 22-Forumite Needs 5 votes to lynch. wherebugsgo (1) 15-Nisani201 Nisani201 (1) 2-wherebugsgo Forumite (5) 4-Curu 12-Erandorr 19-tnkted 21-Lucidity 22-Jackal58 Cyber_Cheese (-) Lucidity (1) 7-Cyber_Cheese Jackal58 (-) Curu (1) 20-Forumite Modkills None | ||
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I´ve left the votes for day 1 and 2, colorcodes are up to date, apart from green-marking on my votes, and I expect someone to update them right after the lynch and nightkills. It might give something. | ||
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On September 22 2011 06:01 tnkted wrote: BTW the items are 'humming' really loud now, I think w/ kindness we should have something good. My guess is that Magic spawns when you have all the other 5. | ||
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MAGIC! Everyone knows what wizards do, distributing warn, kind fireballs and loyally homing lightningbolts. | ||
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On September 22 2011 04:15 Lucidity wrote: FORUMITE JACKAL CURU Lucidity, how does your top 3 Scumlist add up with two of them lynching the third? | ||
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On September 22 2011 06:18 tnkted wrote: I got one shard of kindness too. Who has the other one? Lucidity has claimed owning one shard of Kindness, Curu says he holds a shard, but haven´t said which element. Whoever sent to tnkted, claim. | ||
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On September 22 2011 06:17 Nisani201 wrote: I am going to read through the entire thread when I get home. There will be an analysis on WBG, however I would not recommend voting for him unless we are certain that there will not be a no-lynch. I would much rather lynch Forumite instead of a no-lynch. Would you mind doing that reading BEFORE lynching me? | ||
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On September 22 2011 06:21 Curu wrote: I sent mine to tnkted. Was it a Piece of Kindness? In that case tnkted is waiting for Lucidity to send his piece. | ||
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Perhaps just as well, then you will have my Town-flip to consider when analysing too. | ||
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On September 22 2011 06:15 Forumite wrote: Lucidity, how does your top 3 Scumlist add up with two of them lynching the third? I´d also like you to answer this question. | ||
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On September 22 2011 06:53 Lucidity wrote: Let's first see who leaves their vote on you and what you flip. If you flip Town we might as well -ff. What does -ff mean? Wouldn´t it be better to start right away? Some, like Curu, base the whole idea of the scumteam on me being scum, so his scumlist should change a lot if he only took time to take another look at this with me as Town. It´s not like the next 3h 42m until lynch are better spent waiting. Analysing voting patterns won´t help much, since we haven´t found a scum yet. We will only see pushes, not defences, and since the lists won´t solve this, we need more discussion. | ||
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Forumite (1) 17-Chaos13 Greymist (0) DroneAllDay/Cyber_Cheese (0) OriginalName/Curu (2) 15-sinani206 24-Nisani201 tnkted (1) 21-Sevryn/Erandorr Sinani206 (7) 9-Greymist 10-Curu 16-Forumite 22-Dreamflower 25-Lucidity 26-Jackal58 27-wherebugsgo Dreamflower (1) 18-tnkted Chaos13 (0) wherebugsgo (0) Nisani201 (1) 28-DroneAllDay/Cyber_Cheese Votes Day 2+ Show Spoiler + tnkted (0) wherebugsgo (4) 11-Nisani201 14-Lucidity 20-tnkted 24-Greymist Jackal58 (1) 8-Sevryn/Erandorr Nisani201 (2) 25-wherebugsgo 26-Jackal58 Forumite (2) 10-Cyber_Cheese 13-Curu Lucidity (0) Sevryn/Erandorr (0) Cyber_Cheese (1) 22-Forumite Votes Day 3+ Show Spoiler + wherebugsgo (1) 15-Nisani201 Nisani201 (1) 2-wherebugsgo Forumite (5) 4-Curu 12-Erandorr 19-tnkted 21-Lucidity 22-Jackal58 Cyber_Cheese (-) Lucidity (1) 7-Cyber_Cheese Jackal58 (-) Curu (1) 20-Forumite | ||
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On September 22 2011 10:06 Nisani201 wrote: SO VOTE FOR WBG!! Where were you? The voting train has come and gone, you can´t change it now. | ||
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On September 24 2011 10:45 wherebugsgo wrote: Well...he played well and no one called him out on it. More your guys' fault than anythin we did or tnkted did tbh lol That´s what I meant, tnkted scuttled Town, we didn´t play against 3 scum, but 4. | ||
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On September 24 2011 10:52 wherebugsgo wrote: Well I gifted you his lynch day 1. Then you guys derped real hard when I was about to get lynched, too. Closed setup or not I don't think it would've made a difference. Of course it would have, for one thing, we would know that it was LYLO last night, not tomorrow. It was an assumption, but with less Town info, we have to assume things. I´m not saying it would have changed the end result, but an open setup would have favored Town. That the items were distributed too slowly didn´t help. I didn´t expect WBG or Erandarr to have been scum, but Curu really should have been found out and lynched. | ||
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