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On September 22 2011 04:55 Nisani201 wrote:
You are definitely getting an analysis. Yesterday I was distracted by Cyber_cheese so I did not write it, however I will not let that happen this time.
more excuses.
dude keep playing badly, if you somehow miraculously flip town I am going to vig/lynch/whatever you every day so I never have to deal with this again.
It is so extremely frustrating to try to consolidate town votes and clean up town atmosphere when you defecate all over it every single time you enter the thread.
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On September 22 2011 04:57 Lucidity wrote:
READ THE THREAD
tell that to your scumbuddy Nisani over there man
he could really improve his scum play by just reading the thread.
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On September 22 2011 05:00 Lucidity wrote:That was @Forumite. Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 04:53 Jackal58 wrote:On September 22 2011 04:15 Lucidity wrote:If there is even the hint of a no lynch tonight please just lynch me. I'm over this town. And I realise my frustration has caused me to also play badly. Just derp. @Everyone: State your opinions on FORUMITE
JACKAL
CURU You keep saying that. Why? Because I didn't think Bugs was a good lynch? . . . I keep thinking Bugs is scum because he pooched his claim on when he received his item. ERM? I deleted the rest of the post because it's nonsense. You're telling me you don't have any scum reads? By Day 3? I would be absolutely over the moon if you could be lynched today. Too bad Greymist died last night for suggesting we lynch you to confirm tnkted. I don't think anyone else sees how uninterested you are in hunting scum.
actually the rest of the post had a lot of relevance.
He was suggesting you've had "scumreads" on like everyone in this game so far. AKA you can't possibly be right because there's not 12 scum in this game.
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On September 22 2011 05:11 Lucidity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 05:08 Nisani201 wrote:
Forumite and Curu CANNOT BOTH BE SCUM. God, you guys are stupid. They are still both scummy. If one flips scum the other suddenly looks much more town, but until then???
Until then you can't keep pushing three targets at once
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On September 22 2011 05:16 Lucidity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 05:08 Forumite wrote:On September 22 2011 04:54 Lucidity wrote:On September 22 2011 04:48 Forumite wrote:On September 22 2011 04:00 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 21 2011 23:39 Nisani201 wrote:
gahhh i messed it up
##Unvote
##Vote: Jackal58
I've found confirmed scum, and you're voting for Forumite?
OK WBG, my top 3 scum suspects, just for you: Jackal, WBG, and Cyber_Cheese. On September 21 2011 23:44 Nisani201 wrote:
OK, when I died and flip Town, you had better kill Jackal. I have confirmed scum and you're voting for the wrong person. then comes this gem that just kinda fell out, contradiction #3 On September 21 2011 23:51 Nisani201 wrote:
Giving the element to Jackal, hang on guys. When he realized how big of a scumslip that would be (accusing Jackal of being confirmed scum then wanting to give the piece to him) he immediately makes up an excuse for changing his mind: On September 21 2011 23:52 Nisani201 wrote:
omg the posts are coming in so quickly, giving it to tnkted instead. So posts coming in quickly was a reason for you to accuse Jackal of being confirmed scum, then suddenly say you're sending him the element (wtf why would you send it to someone you thought was scum) then immediately backtrack when you saw how bad that looked to send it to tnkted? WBG does have a point here. Nisani didn´t just miss what the element was called, he saw what Jackal did not as a reason to recheck what was really going on, but jumping on it as a reason to lynch Jackal. If he had just gotten a new element, then there´s no chance that Jackal would have it, so what Jackal says doesn´t make any sense at all. It would only make sense to vote for Jackal if it was really Honesty he had received, because THEN Jackal would look extremely scummy for lying about sending away an element. Missing the name of the element in question is an honest mistake, but thinking that Jackal was contesting his claim to a previously unknown element just doesn´t make sense. tnkted, any update on elements? Forumite is confirmed scum at this point. If he believed he had the element of Honesty. And Jackal comes into the thread and says he has it. He's obviously going to jump right on that shit and vote Jackal. How is that not obvious? Explain the logic to me if he were scum. How does his actions make any sense as scum? If he was scum, and then claimed to have the element which Jackal has, then that throws suspicion at Jackal, and maybe even on tnkted when Jackal gives the element to tnkted to show he has it. Either Jackal or Nisani could be the one to be thrown in front of a lynch, if it was Jackal then it´s fine, if things turned bad then Nisani could recheck and remove suspicion on himself, but by then he might have delayed the game 6+ hours, if we just wait for GM to fix the item-PMs, and then wait for whoever is to receive the item. I´ve seen a game go silent for 23 hours because someone said he had an amazing analysis coming up, don´t tell me that´s pro-Town. That makes no sense as scum. Jackal AND tnkted claim that they have the element. So trying to go after Jackal alone is silly. Furthermore, they actually used the stone and got my name, WITH the "confused" part, which I didn't claim in thread. Coming late to the party and claiming to have Honesty and that that makes Jackal scum is RETARDED. Not only that, but the setup is all wrong. He didn't claim his element and call Jackal scum. He claimed his element and then it had to be pointed out by OTHERS that Honesty was already out there. And don't come with this "herp derp he never read the thread so that's why he tried the gambit". If Nisani is scum he's in a scum TEAM. They would have worked on the plan together. There's no way he would've fucked up like that. There's no way that plan would've even left the QT. Sorry, but you are attacking a derping townie, not someone playing pro scum. This is seriously eating at me now.
retarded play is characteristic of a lot of townies but it isn't exclusive to townies. We can't just dismiss Nisani being mafia on the assumption that because he's playing badly he's auto town.
In fact, that's a horrible assertion because then it invites the mafia to play like garbage and get away with it.
All of your defense of Nisani is completely speculative. None of it is based on any objective evidence. So what if you think he'd have to plan something like that? Plans can be just as bad as players regardless of alignment.
Lastly, IMO Lucidity is scum as well.
Let's think about what he's done recently:
1.) Defend Nisani over and over with poor logic
2.) Push THREE other targets at once, such that if one of them flips town blame is absolved and he can move onto pushing a mislynch for one of the other two
3.) Push those three targets without really making much of an argument for why they're scum, or even why he thinks they're all connected.
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On September 22 2011 05:17 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 05:16 Lucidity wrote:On September 22 2011 05:08 Forumite wrote:On September 22 2011 04:54 Lucidity wrote:On September 22 2011 04:48 Forumite wrote:On September 22 2011 04:00 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 21 2011 23:39 Nisani201 wrote:
gahhh i messed it up
##Unvote
##Vote: Jackal58
I've found confirmed scum, and you're voting for Forumite?
OK WBG, my top 3 scum suspects, just for you: Jackal, WBG, and Cyber_Cheese. On September 21 2011 23:44 Nisani201 wrote:
OK, when I died and flip Town, you had better kill Jackal. I have confirmed scum and you're voting for the wrong person. then comes this gem that just kinda fell out, contradiction #3 On September 21 2011 23:51 Nisani201 wrote:
Giving the element to Jackal, hang on guys. When he realized how big of a scumslip that would be (accusing Jackal of being confirmed scum then wanting to give the piece to him) he immediately makes up an excuse for changing his mind: On September 21 2011 23:52 Nisani201 wrote:
omg the posts are coming in so quickly, giving it to tnkted instead. So posts coming in quickly was a reason for you to accuse Jackal of being confirmed scum, then suddenly say you're sending him the element (wtf why would you send it to someone you thought was scum) then immediately backtrack when you saw how bad that looked to send it to tnkted? WBG does have a point here. Nisani didn´t just miss what the element was called, he saw what Jackal did not as a reason to recheck what was really going on, but jumping on it as a reason to lynch Jackal. If he had just gotten a new element, then there´s no chance that Jackal would have it, so what Jackal says doesn´t make any sense at all. It would only make sense to vote for Jackal if it was really Honesty he had received, because THEN Jackal would look extremely scummy for lying about sending away an element. Missing the name of the element in question is an honest mistake, but thinking that Jackal was contesting his claim to a previously unknown element just doesn´t make sense. tnkted, any update on elements? Forumite is confirmed scum at this point. If he believed he had the element of Honesty. And Jackal comes into the thread and says he has it. He's obviously going to jump right on that shit and vote Jackal. How is that not obvious? Explain the logic to me if he were scum. How does his actions make any sense as scum? If he was scum, and then claimed to have the element which Jackal has, then that throws suspicion at Jackal, and maybe even on tnkted when Jackal gives the element to tnkted to show he has it. Either Jackal or Nisani could be the one to be thrown in front of a lynch, if it was Jackal then it´s fine, if things turned bad then Nisani could recheck and remove suspicion on himself, but by then he might have delayed the game 6+ hours, if we just wait for GM to fix the item-PMs, and then wait for whoever is to receive the item. I´ve seen a game go silent for 23 hours because someone said he had an amazing analysis coming up, don´t tell me that´s pro-Town. That makes no sense as scum. Jackal AND tnkted claim that they have the element. So trying to go after Jackal alone is silly. Furthermore, they actually used the stone and got my name, WITH the "confused" part, which I didn't claim in thread. Coming late to the party and claiming to have Honesty and that that makes Jackal scum is RETARDED. Not only that, but the setup is all wrong. He didn't claim his element and call Jackal scum. He claimed his element and then it had to be pointed out by OTHERS that Honesty was already out there. And don't come with this "herp derp he never read the thread so that's why he tried the gambit". If Nisani is scum he's in a scum TEAM. They would have worked on the plan together. There's no way he would've fucked up like that. There's no way that plan would've even left the QT. Sorry, but you are attacking a derping townie, not someone playing pro scum. This is seriously eating at me now. wow thanks lucidity, that is what I wrote earlier too ! Lets kill forumite, yes? yes!
wtf are you scumbuddies with Lucidity and Nisani too?
None of you make any arguments for your proposed lynches whatsoever, you just keep distracting town attention away from Nisani.
This just makes me even more confident in lynching him today.
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On September 22 2011 05:24 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 05:19 Lucidity wrote:On September 22 2011 05:17 Erandorr wrote:On September 22 2011 05:16 Lucidity wrote:On September 22 2011 05:08 Forumite wrote:On September 22 2011 04:54 Lucidity wrote:On September 22 2011 04:48 Forumite wrote:On September 22 2011 04:00 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 21 2011 23:39 Nisani201 wrote:
gahhh i messed it up
##Unvote
##Vote: Jackal58
I've found confirmed scum, and you're voting for Forumite?
OK WBG, my top 3 scum suspects, just for you: Jackal, WBG, and Cyber_Cheese. On September 21 2011 23:44 Nisani201 wrote:
OK, when I died and flip Town, you had better kill Jackal. I have confirmed scum and you're voting for the wrong person. then comes this gem that just kinda fell out, contradiction #3 On September 21 2011 23:51 Nisani201 wrote:
Giving the element to Jackal, hang on guys. When he realized how big of a scumslip that would be (accusing Jackal of being confirmed scum then wanting to give the piece to him) he immediately makes up an excuse for changing his mind: On September 21 2011 23:52 Nisani201 wrote:
omg the posts are coming in so quickly, giving it to tnkted instead. So posts coming in quickly was a reason for you to accuse Jackal of being confirmed scum, then suddenly say you're sending him the element (wtf why would you send it to someone you thought was scum) then immediately backtrack when you saw how bad that looked to send it to tnkted? WBG does have a point here. Nisani didn´t just miss what the element was called, he saw what Jackal did not as a reason to recheck what was really going on, but jumping on it as a reason to lynch Jackal. If he had just gotten a new element, then there´s no chance that Jackal would have it, so what Jackal says doesn´t make any sense at all. It would only make sense to vote for Jackal if it was really Honesty he had received, because THEN Jackal would look extremely scummy for lying about sending away an element. Missing the name of the element in question is an honest mistake, but thinking that Jackal was contesting his claim to a previously unknown element just doesn´t make sense. tnkted, any update on elements? Forumite is confirmed scum at this point. If he believed he had the element of Honesty. And Jackal comes into the thread and says he has it. He's obviously going to jump right on that shit and vote Jackal. How is that not obvious? Explain the logic to me if he were scum. How does his actions make any sense as scum? If he was scum, and then claimed to have the element which Jackal has, then that throws suspicion at Jackal, and maybe even on tnkted when Jackal gives the element to tnkted to show he has it. Either Jackal or Nisani could be the one to be thrown in front of a lynch, if it was Jackal then it´s fine, if things turned bad then Nisani could recheck and remove suspicion on himself, but by then he might have delayed the game 6+ hours, if we just wait for GM to fix the item-PMs, and then wait for whoever is to receive the item. I´ve seen a game go silent for 23 hours because someone said he had an amazing analysis coming up, don´t tell me that´s pro-Town. That makes no sense as scum. Jackal AND tnkted claim that they have the element. So trying to go after Jackal alone is silly. Furthermore, they actually used the stone and got my name, WITH the "confused" part, which I didn't claim in thread. Coming late to the party and claiming to have Honesty and that that makes Jackal scum is RETARDED. Not only that, but the setup is all wrong. He didn't claim his element and call Jackal scum. He claimed his element and then it had to be pointed out by OTHERS that Honesty was already out there. And don't come with this "herp derp he never read the thread so that's why he tried the gambit". If Nisani is scum he's in a scum TEAM. They would have worked on the plan together. There's no way he would've fucked up like that. There's no way that plan would've even left the QT. Sorry, but you are attacking a derping townie, not someone playing pro scum. This is seriously eating at me now. wow thanks lucidity, that is what I wrote earlier too ! Lets kill forumite, yes? yes! What do you mean? Explain to me why you thought Nisani's claim made Forumite more scummy please. I never did. I pushed forumite from the start, stoped morons/scum from lynching nisani overly quickly and then decided after that that its time to kill forimite. Either you read the thread really carelessly or you are intentionnaly shitting up everything.
Nice attempt at distancing there...
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On September 22 2011 05:25 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 05:22 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 22 2011 05:17 Erandorr wrote:On September 22 2011 05:16 Lucidity wrote:On September 22 2011 05:08 Forumite wrote:On September 22 2011 04:54 Lucidity wrote:On September 22 2011 04:48 Forumite wrote:On September 22 2011 04:00 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 21 2011 23:39 Nisani201 wrote:
gahhh i messed it up
##Unvote
##Vote: Jackal58
I've found confirmed scum, and you're voting for Forumite?
OK WBG, my top 3 scum suspects, just for you: Jackal, WBG, and Cyber_Cheese. On September 21 2011 23:44 Nisani201 wrote:
OK, when I died and flip Town, you had better kill Jackal. I have confirmed scum and you're voting for the wrong person. then comes this gem that just kinda fell out, contradiction #3 On September 21 2011 23:51 Nisani201 wrote:
Giving the element to Jackal, hang on guys. When he realized how big of a scumslip that would be (accusing Jackal of being confirmed scum then wanting to give the piece to him) he immediately makes up an excuse for changing his mind: On September 21 2011 23:52 Nisani201 wrote:
omg the posts are coming in so quickly, giving it to tnkted instead. So posts coming in quickly was a reason for you to accuse Jackal of being confirmed scum, then suddenly say you're sending him the element (wtf why would you send it to someone you thought was scum) then immediately backtrack when you saw how bad that looked to send it to tnkted? WBG does have a point here. Nisani didn´t just miss what the element was called, he saw what Jackal did not as a reason to recheck what was really going on, but jumping on it as a reason to lynch Jackal. If he had just gotten a new element, then there´s no chance that Jackal would have it, so what Jackal says doesn´t make any sense at all. It would only make sense to vote for Jackal if it was really Honesty he had received, because THEN Jackal would look extremely scummy for lying about sending away an element. Missing the name of the element in question is an honest mistake, but thinking that Jackal was contesting his claim to a previously unknown element just doesn´t make sense. tnkted, any update on elements? Forumite is confirmed scum at this point. If he believed he had the element of Honesty. And Jackal comes into the thread and says he has it. He's obviously going to jump right on that shit and vote Jackal. How is that not obvious? Explain the logic to me if he were scum. How does his actions make any sense as scum? If he was scum, and then claimed to have the element which Jackal has, then that throws suspicion at Jackal, and maybe even on tnkted when Jackal gives the element to tnkted to show he has it. Either Jackal or Nisani could be the one to be thrown in front of a lynch, if it was Jackal then it´s fine, if things turned bad then Nisani could recheck and remove suspicion on himself, but by then he might have delayed the game 6+ hours, if we just wait for GM to fix the item-PMs, and then wait for whoever is to receive the item. I´ve seen a game go silent for 23 hours because someone said he had an amazing analysis coming up, don´t tell me that´s pro-Town. That makes no sense as scum. Jackal AND tnkted claim that they have the element. So trying to go after Jackal alone is silly. Furthermore, they actually used the stone and got my name, WITH the "confused" part, which I didn't claim in thread. Coming late to the party and claiming to have Honesty and that that makes Jackal scum is RETARDED. Not only that, but the setup is all wrong. He didn't claim his element and call Jackal scum. He claimed his element and then it had to be pointed out by OTHERS that Honesty was already out there. And don't come with this "herp derp he never read the thread so that's why he tried the gambit". If Nisani is scum he's in a scum TEAM. They would have worked on the plan together. There's no way he would've fucked up like that. There's no way that plan would've even left the QT. Sorry, but you are attacking a derping townie, not someone playing pro scum. This is seriously eating at me now. wow thanks lucidity, that is what I wrote earlier too ! Lets kill forumite, yes? yes! wtf are you scumbuddies with Lucidity and Nisani too? None of you make any arguments for your proposed lynches whatsoever, you just keep distracting town attention away from Nisani. This just makes me even more confident in lynching him today. How is that tunnel you seem to be living in these days?
yeah cause making a coherent case on someone I think is scum these days is tunneling, right?
God you guys are thick
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On September 22 2011 05:26 Lucidity wrote:
Curu has defended Nisani and voted Forumite as well.
Is he part of our scum team too? Oh boy, we are 4. We are in LyLo! <3
nah one of you must be a traitor
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On September 22 2011 05:28 Lucidity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 05:25 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 22 2011 05:25 Erandorr wrote:On September 22 2011 05:22 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 22 2011 05:17 Erandorr wrote:On September 22 2011 05:16 Lucidity wrote:On September 22 2011 05:08 Forumite wrote:On September 22 2011 04:54 Lucidity wrote:On September 22 2011 04:48 Forumite wrote:On September 22 2011 04:00 wherebugsgo wrote:
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then comes this gem that just kinda fell out, contradiction #3
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When he realized how big of a scumslip that would be (accusing Jackal of being confirmed scum then wanting to give the piece to him) he immediately makes up an excuse for changing his mind:
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So posts coming in quickly was a reason for you to accuse Jackal of being confirmed scum, then suddenly say you're sending him the element (wtf why would you send it to someone you thought was scum) then immediately backtrack when you saw how bad that looked to send it to tnkted? WBG does have a point here. Nisani didn´t just miss what the element was called, he saw what Jackal did not as a reason to recheck what was really going on, but jumping on it as a reason to lynch Jackal. If he had just gotten a new element, then there´s no chance that Jackal would have it, so what Jackal says doesn´t make any sense at all. It would only make sense to vote for Jackal if it was really Honesty he had received, because THEN Jackal would look extremely scummy for lying about sending away an element. Missing the name of the element in question is an honest mistake, but thinking that Jackal was contesting his claim to a previously unknown element just doesn´t make sense. tnkted, any update on elements? Forumite is confirmed scum at this point. If he believed he had the element of Honesty. And Jackal comes into the thread and says he has it. He's obviously going to jump right on that shit and vote Jackal. How is that not obvious? Explain the logic to me if he were scum. How does his actions make any sense as scum? If he was scum, and then claimed to have the element which Jackal has, then that throws suspicion at Jackal, and maybe even on tnkted when Jackal gives the element to tnkted to show he has it. Either Jackal or Nisani could be the one to be thrown in front of a lynch, if it was Jackal then it´s fine, if things turned bad then Nisani could recheck and remove suspicion on himself, but by then he might have delayed the game 6+ hours, if we just wait for GM to fix the item-PMs, and then wait for whoever is to receive the item. I´ve seen a game go silent for 23 hours because someone said he had an amazing analysis coming up, don´t tell me that´s pro-Town. That makes no sense as scum. Jackal AND tnkted claim that they have the element. So trying to go after Jackal alone is silly. Furthermore, they actually used the stone and got my name, WITH the "confused" part, which I didn't claim in thread. Coming late to the party and claiming to have Honesty and that that makes Jackal scum is RETARDED. Not only that, but the setup is all wrong. He didn't claim his element and call Jackal scum. He claimed his element and then it had to be pointed out by OTHERS that Honesty was already out there. And don't come with this "herp derp he never read the thread so that's why he tried the gambit". If Nisani is scum he's in a scum TEAM. They would have worked on the plan together. There's no way he would've fucked up like that. There's no way that plan would've even left the QT. Sorry, but you are attacking a derping townie, not someone playing pro scum. This is seriously eating at me now. wow thanks lucidity, that is what I wrote earlier too ! Lets kill forumite, yes? yes! wtf are you scumbuddies with Lucidity and Nisani too? None of you make any arguments for your proposed lynches whatsoever, you just keep distracting town attention away from Nisani. This just makes me even more confident in lynching him today. How is that tunnel you seem to be living in these days? yeah cause making a coherent case on someone I think is scum these days is tunneling, right? God you guys are thick It is when you ignore any responses to it.
horse shit, you're the one who ignored his voting contradictions (blaming outliers for the no lynch in one post, then blaming only me, then going back and clarifying what he meant to Jackal about outliers and then blaming me again).
You're the one who ignored the contradiction with respect to him saying he'd get an analysis on me and then not putting one up for 24 hours (and as of now 1 hr 45 minutes since I called him out on it)
You're the one who has been ignoring the fact that Nisani has contributed nothing but chaos to this town since day 1.
You're the one who is ignoring the fact that his element slip has a pro-mafia side as well as a (however far-fetched it may be) town side. I even said that by itself the slip could be something a townie would do, but that's extremely unlikely to me in light of all the other things he's done.
Most importantly, you're the one who is ignoring the fact that what matters here is the big picture with respect to Nisani, not little individual things by themselves.
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On September 22 2011 05:42 Lucidity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 05:39 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 22 2011 05:28 Lucidity wrote:On September 22 2011 05:25 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 22 2011 05:25 Erandorr wrote:On September 22 2011 05:22 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 22 2011 05:17 Erandorr wrote:On September 22 2011 05:16 Lucidity wrote:On September 22 2011 05:08 Forumite wrote:On September 22 2011 04:54 Lucidity wrote:
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Forumite is confirmed scum at this point.
If he believed he had the element of Honesty. And Jackal comes into the thread and says he has it. He's obviously going to jump right on that shit and vote Jackal. How is that not obvious?
Explain the logic to me if he were scum. How does his actions make any sense as scum? If he was scum, and then claimed to have the element which Jackal has, then that throws suspicion at Jackal, and maybe even on tnkted when Jackal gives the element to tnkted to show he has it. Either Jackal or Nisani could be the one to be thrown in front of a lynch, if it was Jackal then it´s fine, if things turned bad then Nisani could recheck and remove suspicion on himself, but by then he might have delayed the game 6+ hours, if we just wait for GM to fix the item-PMs, and then wait for whoever is to receive the item. I´ve seen a game go silent for 23 hours because someone said he had an amazing analysis coming up, don´t tell me that´s pro-Town. That makes no sense as scum. Jackal AND tnkted claim that they have the element. So trying to go after Jackal alone is silly. Furthermore, they actually used the stone and got my name, WITH the "confused" part, which I didn't claim in thread. Coming late to the party and claiming to have Honesty and that that makes Jackal scum is RETARDED. Not only that, but the setup is all wrong. He didn't claim his element and call Jackal scum. He claimed his element and then it had to be pointed out by OTHERS that Honesty was already out there. And don't come with this "herp derp he never read the thread so that's why he tried the gambit". If Nisani is scum he's in a scum TEAM. They would have worked on the plan together. There's no way he would've fucked up like that. There's no way that plan would've even left the QT. Sorry, but you are attacking a derping townie, not someone playing pro scum. This is seriously eating at me now. wow thanks lucidity, that is what I wrote earlier too ! Lets kill forumite, yes? yes! wtf are you scumbuddies with Lucidity and Nisani too? None of you make any arguments for your proposed lynches whatsoever, you just keep distracting town attention away from Nisani. This just makes me even more confident in lynching him today. How is that tunnel you seem to be living in these days? yeah cause making a coherent case on someone I think is scum these days is tunneling, right? God you guys are thick It is when you ignore any responses to it. horse shit, you're the one who ignored his voting contradictions (blaming outliers for the no lynch in one post, then blaming only me, then going back and clarifying what he meant to Jackal about outliers and then blaming me again). You're the one who ignored the contradiction with respect to him saying he'd get an analysis on me and then not putting one up for 24 hours (and as of now 1 hr 45 minutes since I called him out on it) You're the one who has been ignoring the fact that Nisani has contributed nothing but chaos to this town since day 1. You're the one who is ignoring the fact that his element slip has a pro-mafia side as well as a (however far-fetched it may be) town side. I even said that by itself the slip could be something a townie would do, but that's extremely unlikely to me in light of all the other things he's done. Most importantly, you're the one who is ignoring the fact that what matters here is the big picture with respect to Nisani, not little individual things by themselves. I'm the one saying that's bad town, not pro scum. I'm not ignoring anything.
So your excuse for dismissing my arguments is that they're all anti-town arguments?
God that's one of the worst twisting of semantics I've ever seen. How else are you supposed to find scum?
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On September 22 2011 05:45 Lucidity wrote:
WBG, should I mention how you're the one ignoring how Nisani considered lynching through the CMCs to find the scum among them. Or how he helped Forumite out of a tough spot by confirming his claim, when scum could have let us stone him (The only way Nisani is scum there is if both are scum)?
I never ignored it, I said it makes sense from a mafia perspective too.
He could easily have been trying to get town cred through any of those actions.
If Forumite flips town we know NOTHING about Nisani.
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Need I stress again, if we lynch Forumite and he's town we find out absolutely nothing. We'll be giving up the best chance we've had yet to lynch Nisani and it may very likely result in a town loss.
Think about this carefully before you all bandwagon Forumite like derps.
On September 22 2011 05:47 Lucidity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 05:43 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 22 2011 05:42 Lucidity wrote:On September 22 2011 05:39 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 22 2011 05:28 Lucidity wrote:On September 22 2011 05:25 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 22 2011 05:25 Erandorr wrote:On September 22 2011 05:22 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 22 2011 05:17 Erandorr wrote:On September 22 2011 05:16 Lucidity wrote:
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That makes no sense as scum.
Jackal AND tnkted claim that they have the element. So trying to go after Jackal alone is silly. Furthermore, they actually used the stone and got my name, WITH the "confused" part, which I didn't claim in thread. Coming late to the party and claiming to have Honesty and that that makes Jackal scum is RETARDED.
Not only that, but the setup is all wrong. He didn't claim his element and call Jackal scum. He claimed his element and then it had to be pointed out by OTHERS that Honesty was already out there.
And don't come with this "herp derp he never read the thread so that's why he tried the gambit". If Nisani is scum he's in a scum TEAM. They would have worked on the plan together. There's no way he would've fucked up like that. There's no way that plan would've even left the QT.
Sorry, but you are attacking a derping townie, not someone playing pro scum. This is seriously eating at me now. wow thanks lucidity, that is what I wrote earlier too ! Lets kill forumite, yes? yes! wtf are you scumbuddies with Lucidity and Nisani too? None of you make any arguments for your proposed lynches whatsoever, you just keep distracting town attention away from Nisani. This just makes me even more confident in lynching him today. How is that tunnel you seem to be living in these days? yeah cause making a coherent case on someone I think is scum these days is tunneling, right? God you guys are thick It is when you ignore any responses to it. horse shit, you're the one who ignored his voting contradictions (blaming outliers for the no lynch in one post, then blaming only me, then going back and clarifying what he meant to Jackal about outliers and then blaming me again). You're the one who ignored the contradiction with respect to him saying he'd get an analysis on me and then not putting one up for 24 hours (and as of now 1 hr 45 minutes since I called him out on it) You're the one who has been ignoring the fact that Nisani has contributed nothing but chaos to this town since day 1. You're the one who is ignoring the fact that his element slip has a pro-mafia side as well as a (however far-fetched it may be) town side. I even said that by itself the slip could be something a townie would do, but that's extremely unlikely to me in light of all the other things he's done. Most importantly, you're the one who is ignoring the fact that what matters here is the big picture with respect to Nisani, not little individual things by themselves. I'm the one saying that's bad town, not pro scum. I'm not ignoring anything. So your excuse for dismissing my arguments is that they're all anti-town arguments? God that's one of the worst twisting of semantics I've ever seen. How else are you supposed to find scum? This entire town is bad town. So clearly we can't go that route. @Curu: So let's do it.
Still a freaking terrible argument.
The entire town isn't bad, it's just the bad ones are the ones (somehow) with the most influence right now. Just look at this Forumite lynch and you'll see what I mean.
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If you all can't see that Forumite is town I really don't know what to say. There are 5 votes on him now, so I guess he's dead unless someone pulls a vote off before the deadline.
I have class from now for another 3 hours. I'll be back then.
THINK THIS THROUGH CAREFULLY
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On September 22 2011 08:04 Lucidity wrote:
You know, I don't like that your lynch has had no opposition. There are still 3 hours to go, but effectively it's the end of the day for me.
Jackal changed his vote from Nisani with no reason. He hasn't given reasons in 3 days.
I'd prefer a Jackal lynch. But I need to go sleep now. I wish deadlines were earlier.
Actually I oppose Forumite's lynch. But, I guess to you I only exist when it's convenient.
I've already said what I needed to say, I'm not going to waste my time on it because it honestly looks like no one is willing to listen to me anymore.
Instead, I'm now going to give Nisani the courtesy of my response, unlike the rude dismissal of my arguments he and Lucidity have made, particularly the last day.
First of all, Nisani brings up arguments that were made more than a week ago, that are now almost completely invalid because they were made with less information than what we have now. Let's start.
On September 22 2011 09:04 Nisani201 wrote:wherebugsgo begins by calling out tnkted on actively lurking. However, this is not the case. At this point, tnkted had discussed other candidates for early lynches. When tnkted responds, wherebugsgo's rebuttal is that the contributions weren't "genuine." + Show Spoiler +On September 14 2011 04:59 tnkted wrote:Uh, what? Did you even read my post? Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 03:46 tnkted wrote:
Yeah, I'm backing off greymyst for now, his defence wasn't convincing but the manner of it has mollified me for now. And as for contributing jack shit: I posted a small little analysis on Greymyst, he responded to my FoS and I'm satisfied with the way he responded. If you don't think that's enough contribution for day one, too fucking bad. I have a life, you know. Why would you say his defense wasn't convincing then? It's as if you put both things in there just to be safe. Your analysis on Greymist didn't seem genuine to me, that's why I'm jumping all over you now.
Nisani, did you even read what I was attacking tnkted for?
He claimed Greymist's defense was not very satisfying but that he had had enough with him (wtf?) I thought he was being wishy washy on this, since he said Greymist's defense wasn't good, but that he was going to drop him as a candidate. That doesn't really make sense...when someone's defense is bad you pursue them further.
That is also why I called his case disingenuous. It was poorly thought out, and I thought it was wasting our time day 1 on focusing a town target.
On September 22 2011 09:04 Nisani201 wrote:The next page is all about people arguing over Sinani. What is wherebugsgo's contribution to this? "I can't tell you're alignment right now," and buddying up with Curu so that they can combine forces with bogus arguments against Sinani. The tunnelling continues, even though Sinani has proven that he had no intention of replicating his anti-town behavior from Ace's game. + Show Spoiler +On September 14 2011 12:21 wherebugsgo wrote:
Sinani doesn't seem to have learned yet that we don't like his lurking/anti-town nill contribution style, yet you don't seem to care for policy lynching him.
No shit I couldn't tell his alignment. After Ace's game I realized that you can never tell Sinani's alignment cause he plays like an idiot. Even in this game I couldn't tell his alignment because he refused to contribute and his defense of himself was extraordinarily lackluster. However, I believed the bandwagon on him was bad because of how fast it developed. Also, I did not tunnel Sinani. I don't know why you are insinuating this but it is clearly disingenuous and misleading.
In addition, people kept calling me out for not voting him at the time when I thought he had already been hammered. When someone (I think it was Forumite) pointed out that we would be no-lynching if I didn't vote, I recounted and realized that sinani only had 6 votes, and not 7. I decided I'd vote him because at the time I thought no lynching day 1 would be a bad idea.
I was okay with lynching Sinani over lynching no one, but my complacence was my mistake. I should've gone with my gut and forced a no lynch. Of course, had I done that I would've taken flak from Jackal, Lucidity, etc. instead and probably would've been insta bandwagoned and lynched. That would've been incredibly dumb.
We already went over this when dreamflower was here at the beginning of day 2. It's not my fault you never contribute to these discussions, in particular that you never found this odd until now. It is now toward the end of day 3, something like 7 real time days since that happened. You had all the time in the world to put forth your opinion about it, and now you choose to do so?
On September 22 2011 09:04 Nisani201 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 14 2011 12:21 wherebugsgo wrote:
Sinani doesn't seem to have learned yet that we don't like his lurking/anti-town nill contribution style, yet you don't seem to care for policy lynching him. From here, WBG slowly gravitates away from the notion that Sinani is scum... until he votes for him. He does this in the name of stopping a no-lynch. The difference between this and when I voted for Curu is that the Sinani lynch gave us no information. If Curu had been lynched D1, it would have given us SOME information.
Again, it's not my fault you didn't contribute. Or at least, what you contributed was so bad no one actually listened to you.
Also, you know that lynching Sinani gave us no information IN HINDSIGHT. If we lynched Curu and he flipped town we'd be in the same exact boat, except Curu was actually contributing at the time while Sinani was doing absolutely nothing. I thought lynching Sinani was better than a no lynch because a no lynch is guaranteed to give us no information other than an immediate (and irrational) suspicion of whoever caused it.
On September 22 2011 09:04 Nisani201 wrote:
Anyways. Day 2. He starts by pressuring dreamflower and tnkted. Jackal come out and talks about how tnkted is confirmed townie. WBG wants more information, and Jackal calls him out for wanting too much information, and votes for him. WBG responds with an OMGUS vote against Jackal.
How is this supposed to lead into me being scum, exactly? It sounds like you're just recapping events.
Firstly, tnkted was my scumread from day 1 and we didn't lynch scum day 1. So, I continued pressuring tnkted. Also, I wanted to know more from dreamflower since she seemed to be accusing me of being flip floppy when she herself was being flip floppy (saying she would've been mad at a no lynch but then saying it was weird that one didn't happen. Playing both sides of the coin there) I didn't pressure her though, if I wanted to pressure her I'd actually have voted her. Imagine that!
Finally, of course I wanted more information. If you just come out and call my number 1 scumread confirmed town I'm not going to sit there and believe you. When Jackal refused to say anything he actually voted me. I decided I wasn't going to hold any punches and I voted him back to pressure him into giving out some information about why tnkted was town.
Luckily, it worked, because I realized they were trying to assemble pieces. I breadcrumbed I had the piece of honesty, then I realized that no one would ever understand what I was doing, so I straight up claimed I had it.
How is this scummy?
At this point, it's important to note that most of the people that WBG has been pressuring ended up being town. tnkted sinani, dreamflower, myself.
Anyways, Greymist posts a half-ass analysis on me, and wherebugsgo is the first to sheep on it. The Jackal vote was just for funsies, I actually thought he was town the whole time!
LOL
1. I never pressured Sinani.
2. I never pressured dreamflower either, I responded to her questions and found some things weird.
3. The Jackal vote is what's called a pressure vote. I know how to do one, unlike you (who actually declares it to be a pressure vote rofl) Also, you don't even know when to use a pressure vote (you don't use it day 1...you use it when you need information critically)
4. That wasn't sheeping. I already had you on my watchlist on day 1. Way to forget.
+ Show Spoiler +On September 17 2011 16:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm fine with lynching Nisani.
In hindsight I'm want to believe Jackal's claim because I had a town read on him all game. It doesn't add up to what I see in his behavior for him and tnkted to be scumbuddies. I just feel stupid because my entire case on tnkted is thrown out the window (for now, at least).
Nisani was my #2 choice, so I won't be complaining there.
##unvote Jackal
##vote Nisani201
See above.
On Jackal, I always find it hard to read him. However, I had a gut feeling he was town from the start or I'd have accused him day 1. When he came out of nowhere and said tnkted was confirmed I was like wtf? so I pressured him into providing more information.
I backed off when his response was clearly a town response, and when I had the information that I was seeking.
There's also his quote wall against me, which suffered heavily from filter syndrome, where one solely uses posts found in filter to attack someone, without looking at context. It is most commonly found among scum, but it is also a product of bad town play
Nisani can you say "hypocrite?"
You accuse me (wrongly) of using only the filter function to attack you, when it's clear you've done nothing but do that to me. Lol.
If you actually had read the context of my posts you'd know the motivations behind me voting tnkted, Jackal, Lucidity, etc.
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On September 22 2011 11:05 Nisani201 wrote:
you
guys
are
stupid
lynch this one.
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This is exactly why I didn't want to lynch Forumite. IMO he was way more likely to flip town than Nisani, and if any of those 3 flipped town we'd know nothing about the other two.
Now IMO we need to lynch Nisani, else we'll be in an (IMO) unwinnable situation.
Lucidity is also an acceptable lynch to me, since he basically posited that we should give up if Forumite flipped town. He also seemed to dislike the fact that apparently no one was defending Forumite but he didn't do anything about it.
I'll be back after class in a few hours.
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On September 23 2011 02:27 Lucidity wrote:
We can't know in a closed setup.
And scum might hit a vet/protected player.
WBG: I didn't like it, but I still thought he could be scum. The fact is the deadline is at 4AM for me, so I miss the last ~4 hours every time. Was it you or Jackal that also tried to blame me for "disappearing near the deadline" on Day 2 when we no lynched? Lol'd.
Timezones people.
And maybe I have been giving scum too much credit. Perhaps it does consist of Cyber_Cheese and Nisani. (+Jackal)
I'm not comprehending Jackal's link to you though. Jackal saved you from lynch on Day 2. He tried to get Nisani's stone to you yesterday. He clearly likes you. butwai
It wasn't me and I don't think I've blamed you for missing the deadline. I did blame Nisani once for being a hypocrite and saying, well I don't expect Forumite or Lucidity to be around since they're probably sleeping but then calling me out for inactivity a few hours later when I was sleeping.
Finally, I don't really understand what you're talking about with Jackal. I could say the same about you and Nisani, in fact. You didn't want to lynch him, and you seem to defend him quite vigorously. In fact, you defend him far more than Nisani defends himself. (wtf?)
This is why I posit that you and Nisani could be scumbuddies.
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alright, fair enough.
IMO those inconsistencies still haven't been explained fully, but whatever. I believe the case on Nisani is the strongest on any player currently in the game. If he flips mafia then we additionally know Curu is likely town.
If you're town, Lucidity, then I would agree with you that the scum team is very likely to be Nisani/Cheese/Erandor.
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wtf what if Cyber isn't mafia?
this exchange between nisani erandor and curu is hella shady
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